Ryan Giggs and Wales friendlies: What are the actual statistics
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Ryan Giggs' appointment as the new Wales manager has divided fans.
The Manchester United legend took his first permanent post in management earlier this week after Chris Coleman left to take charge of Sunderland in November.
Some fans have argued that Giggs' lack of appearances in friendly games as a player means he is not committed, and never has been committed, to his country.
BBC Wales has examined the stats and the history of Giggs' Wales career.
Did Giggs play friendlies?
During his international playing career Giggs won 64 caps between his debut against Germany in 1991 European Championship qualifier and his final appearance in 2007.
In that time, Giggs missed 30 out of 40 possible friendlies, failing to make a single appearance in a friendly match from 1991 to 2000 - a total of 16 matches.
Former United team-mate Clayton Blackmore said Giggs' club manger Sir Alex Ferguson was responsible for the Welshman missing friendly games.
Blackmore said Giggs "didn't have much choice" when it came to playing in friendly matches.
Did Ferguson's plan work?
Of the 30 friendlies Giggs missed, 10 would not have interfered with his club career. However, 20 were played days before a Manchester United fixture.
Of those 20 games, Giggs featured in 85% of games for United, starting in 15 and making a further two appearances off the bench.
On only three occasions did Giggs not play in a Wales friendly game and then not play for Manchester United.
So was Ferguson right to stop Giggs from playing friendly games and did he have evidence to back up his protection?
Giggs only once played in a Wales friendly and then missed the following game for Manchester United. On that occasion, he was rested against West Ham before a Champions League game against Real Madrid the following Tuesday.
You can find the full list at the bottom of the page.
How does this compare?
Blackmore said that while Ferguson was keeping Giggs wrapped up in cotton wool, he and Mark Hughes had the chance to play in friendlies.
But former Stoke City manager Hughes made only eight more appearances for Wales than Giggs over a similar period of time.
Dean Saunders won 75 caps for Wales over 15 years between 1986 and 2001, including 27 friendlies - nine of which came during Giggs' years of absence between 1991 and 2000.
In total, 62% of Saunders' appearances for his country came in competitive games, compared to 84.4% for Giggs.
But how does Giggs compare to Wales' current superstar Gareth Bale.
Real Madrid forward Bale has played just 26 minutes of Wales' past seven friendly matches and 53 of his 68 caps have come in competitive games - 77.95%.
So, while Giggs' record of turning up for friendlies is not as impressive as some of his contemporaries, it is certainly comparable to that of Bale.
What about his competitive record?
Another accusation thrown at Giggs is he did not deliver enough for Wales in the biggest games, with arguments particularly that he did not score enough goals.
Giggs played 963 games for United, scoring 168 goals, meaning he averaged a goal for United every 5.7 games.
While for Wales he scored 12 in 64 appearances, meaning an average of a goal every 5.3 games - a goal record actually better for his country than club.
Giggs also produced some stand-out performances over the years, against Germany and Belgium at Cardiff Arms Park, and especially against Finland and Italy in games staged at the Millennium Stadium.
He also did so at a time when the common perception was that if you stop Giggs, you stop Wales and he was often marked by two or even three players.
So while Giggs undoubtedly missed a lot of friendly matches, his record is actually comparable to that of Bale and considering the 'Fergie factor' and club career Giggs had, not to mention the relative strength of his Wales era compared to now, is the criticism of him really merited?
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| Wales friendly matches during Ryan Giggs' international career | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| Opponent | Did Giggs play? | Date | Following United game |
| Republic of Ireland | No | February, 1992 | Giggs started |
| Austria | No | April, 1992 | Giggs started |
| Netherlands | No | May, 1992 | No United game |
| Republic of Ireland | No | February, 1993 | Giggs started |
| Norway | No | March, 1994 | Giggs started |
| Sweden | No | April, 1994 | Giggs a used substitute |
| Estonia | No | May, 1994 | No United game |
| Italy | No | January, 1996 | Giggs started |
| Switzerland | No | April, 1996 | Giggs started |
| Republic of Ireland | No | February, 1997 | Giggs started |
| Scotland | No | May, 1997 | No United game |
| Brazil | No | November, 1997 | Giggs started |
| Jamaica | No | March, 1998 | No, he was injured |
| Malta | No | June, 1998 | No United game |
| Tunisia | No | June, 1998 | No United game |
| Qatar | No | February, 2000 | Giggs started |
| Finland | Yes | March, 2000 | No, he was rested |
| Brazil | No | May, 2000 | No United game |
| Portugal | No | June, 2000 | No United game |
| Argentina | Yes | February, 2001 | Giggs started |
| Czech Republic | No | March, 2002 | Giggs started |
| Germany | Yes | May, 2002 | No United game |
| Croatia | No | August, 2002 | Giggs started |
| Bosnia & Herzegovina | No | February, 2003 | Giggs started |
| USA | No | May, 2003 | No United game |
| Scotland | Yes | February, 2004 | Giggs started |
| Hungary | No | March, 2004 | Giggs started |
| Norway | No | May, 2004 | No United game |
| Canada | Yes | May, 2004 | No United game |
| Latvia | No | August, 2004 | Giggs started |
| Hungary | No | February, 2005 | Giggs a used substitute |
| Slovenia | No | August, 2005 | No, he was injured |
| Cyprus | No | November, 2005 | No, he was injured |
| Paraguay | Yes | March, 2006 | Giggs started |
| Trinidad & Tobago | No | May, 2006 | No United game |
| Bulgaria | Yes | August, 2006 | Giggs started |
| Brazil | Yes | September, 2006 | Giggs started |
| Liechtenstein | Yes | November, 2006 | Giggs started |
| Northern Ireland | No (but travelled) | February, 2007 | Giggs started |
| New Zealand | Yes | May, 2007 | No United game |
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Commitment is one of the things that can help a lesser team beat a much bigger one. He might struggle to motivate his team based on his own example.
It's the injury excuses which most fans are annoyed with.
Obviously any club manager is going to try and keep his players fit & healthy.
But the injury which prevented him from playing a friendly was suddenly gone by the next club match!
If both he and his manager were honest at the time, it wouldn't be such an issue now.
But that’s in the past. He’s our national manager now, so we need to get behind him, whatever our thoughts on the man.
Edit much?
Quite recently, Hazard went against Conte's wishes and played for Belgium, that's desire and commitment.
If a player wants to play for his country, friendly or not, then he'll go no matter what his manager says. Giggs didn't turn up for friendlies for Wales because he didn't want to.
But now that he'll get a small fortune for a part time job, suddenly he's found his passion.
Wales can do better than this.
Is this what the positive discrimination/diversity hire has led to BBC?
Might want to hire people who are competent. Like you used to.