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@143 "Been classified as English throughout his playing career"By you and not any official body."plays less than half a game for Wales and so the classification will change"That's right, he's Welsh"would he count as a foreign player?"You decide but as he's playing for Wales, yes..
@144 yeah Kohn just being the most recent example. Its almost impossible to legislate for as you end up with these weird examples.
JohnnyWAL. Good post! The England matchday 23 v Wales, 16 players came through their club academy system.Incl Care (Leeds) ,Launchbury (Harlequins), Flood (Newcastle) and Twelvetrees (Tigers)
@143 Same for John Mills English qualified for a number of years and classed as English in terms of eligibility by LW but has said he would only ever consider playing for Wales.Same with Waldrom suddenly a Kiwi turns into an Englishman?Very Grey area indeed.I think what should be looked at is not necciserlaly how many Eng players but how many academy players progress and the Eng percentage of them
@141 Equally what about players like Ollie Kohn. Been classified as English throughout his playing career then in his 30s plays less than half a game for Wales and so the classification will change. Hardly looked likely to be Welsh at all but now would he count as a foreign player?
@141 good point.
What about players like George North? Will he be counted as a foreign player next season playing for Northampton. Capped by Wales, but born in England.........
@138Neither. I was merely drawing reference to the differing amount of foreign NH players in the SH, as opposed to the SH players here.Hope that makes sense?Also agreeing with the point made @131, which points out how few foreign players there are in Welsh regions.
@136 I think just mentioning NH players playing in S15 is a bit short sighted as @138 mentions what is a foreigner? There are Argentinian and other African nation players playing for SA teams,NZ and SA players playing in Aus and the odd Japanese player in NZ,most squads are majority filled with players from that country but there are a lot of players playing abroad in S15,what counts as foreign?
Owain. Are you then saying that a competition is better if the foreign players come from the same hemisphere? Or just that they should come from the Southern Hemisphere? Would you class Welsh players in AP as foreign? Surely a British person in England can't be considered foreign?
@ 136:Ah right, ok I could see that being the case. If you are good enough to play in the S15, then you are good enough for the T14/AP/P12...and why move away from family etc if the money is just as good at home!
@135I missed out a very important few letters. Apols. NH foreigners in the SH.
@133: Owain, Only 6 foreign players in the whole of the Super 15!?!?! Are you sure? I am no expert with the S15, but I can think of 3 foreign players at the Rebels alone!I would expect there to be more than that with 345+ players there.
I personally don't see why people get so up in arms about foreign players being in a league. I actually think it is a good thing. There arent even enough top draw English players to fill 12 teams to make them all competative. Players like Evans help keep up the number of really competative teams. And players like Brits come along and show what is possible to push other players on.
@131I agree with your point on foreign players.Of which there are very few.In the whole of the Super 15 in the SH there are only 6 ! Regards the regions trying to join the AP. IMO nothing but hot air and sabre rattling by the RRW, trying to get cash out of the WRU.
I'm pretty sure the English clubs and Welsh regions would happily form an Anglo-Welsh league but they know the WRU wouldn't allow it. They do not want their players tiring themselves out playing club rugby. This is probably a good thing. If the Welsh players had a tough domestic season they wouldn't be very competitive in the 6 nations and probably only England, Ireland or France would ever win.
@130I actually do think the regions help the welsh team and the fact there are fewer foreigners playing. However, I really do believe the regions are declining and inevitably the quality will decline further which surey wil affect international performances. The fact the regions are looking to forge links with the AP validates this point. The win against eng could prove to be bad in the long term
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