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Tom Rostance

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  1. Farewell

    And with that from a tetchy Jurgen Klopp I bid you farewell.

    You can follow the second-half of a crazy game for Real Madrid here;

    And Swansea v West Ham has just kicked off over here.

    Enjoy Sports personality of the year and we will see you all soon.

  2. Post update

    Watford 3-0 Liverpool

    More from Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp, speaking to BBC Sport:On Adam Bogdan’s error: “He knows he should fix the first ball, and he knows he fixed the second ball, but the referee didn't see it. Things like this happen. I am not angry with him – I am only angry about our reaction. That is what we have to learn. Immediately."

    What has changed since the 6-1 victory over Southampton in the League Cup? “I think a lot of things have happened. It is not too easy to tell all these things in a short time. It is football. We have to play better, to use our skills. Today we had a few players coming back after injuries, things like this happen. We have so many games and we can show our reaction in our next game against Leicester. We have to show we have learned from this game."

  3. 'Watford deserved the win'

    Watford 3-0 Liverpool

    An unhappy Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp, speaking to BBC Sport:On Nathan Ake’s opening goal: "If you watch the TV you see he had it under control and both hands were on the ball. But that is not the biggest mistake. It should not be allowed but first of all he should not drop the ball. That is the mistake of the referee but the biggest mistake was our reaction.

    "Always in football it is like this, somebody makes a mistake and you get a goal but you have to react better. We didn’t play how we wanted to play. We played how they wanted us to play – in small spaces, we played very complicated, and we always gave them the chance to press. 

    "When we played it easy it was better, and we had our moments.The start of the second half was good and with a bit of luck we could have scored two goals. But we didn’t score the goal and it was always possible one of the counters decides the game.

    "It was a deserved win for Watford. Not because of our faults, but more our reaction to the our faults."

    Jurgen Klopp
  4. 'It started as a nightmare'

    Watford 3-0 Liverpool

    Liverpool goalkeeper Adam Bogdan: "It was a wrong time to concede. I dropped the first ball which is a mistake, I hold my hands up, but I felt I recovered the ball and he kicked it out of my hands. But if I catch the first one it's not a goal.

    "I had both hands on the ball but we are talking about a split-second. It's not easy for the referee to see. If I catch the first ball there is no second one.

    "Something went wrong, I have to think about it again. It was a mistake and I will learn from it. I felt good, it wasn't nerves. I trained hard for this chance and it started as a nightmare. I don't blame the referee or anyone else, I go back to train and work hard."

    Adam Bogdan
  5. Post update

    Watford 3-0 Liverpool

    All credit to Liverpool keeper Adam Bogdan for facing the TV cameras - he says that the ball was in his hands but it's his mistake for dropping it.

  6. Football's final form?

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    I can't readily remember political scientist Francis Fukuyama's views on football, but could the approach of Watford and Leicester this season be the endpoint of the game's evolution?

    Probably not...

  7. 'Of course we want to dream'

    Watford 3-0 Liverpool



    Watford manager Quique Flores, speaking to BBC Sport:

    Can Watford finish in the top four? “[Laughs] I don’t want to talk about that. It is the moment to enjoy after this match, I like the happiness and I want to enjoy, the fans to enjoy. We should be humble. This is our one advantage, because the Premier League is very tough. We have a lot of matches to play. We never underestimate the teams we play. Of course we want to dream but we want to remain humble. We are completely happy with the performance. It was an amazing victory against an amazing team."

    On Nathan Ake’s opening goal: “The goalkeeper lost the ball and he tried to take it safe, it bounced on the ground and Ake was very clever. I think it is good and fair and finally the goal for us was completely important because when we are leading we are very safe and have a lot of confidence in what we are doing.”

    On Odion Ighalo’s form: “Ighalo is the biggest scorer this season. He is always close to the box, always shooting and creating attempts, he deserves it. But of course it depends on the players, we create like a collective.”

  8. 'Our reaction was really bad"

    Watford 3-0 Liverpool


    Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp, speaking to Sky Sports: “It was a bad start to the game. Of course the first ball from Adam Bogdan, he should keep and he drops it. Having seen it again usually it is a foul but it is 1-0 and our reaction was really bad. We lost our mind and stopped playing football. The second goal was very easy, we can defend this better. We tried a bit in the first half and changed a bit at half-time. 

    "The start to the second half was very good, we could have scored two goals, but we didn’t and then the third goal. Yeah, game over.

    “The first one is his [Bogdan's] fault, but then both hands on the ball, that is the goalkeeper safe, he has the ball, I think the referee didn’t see it. It was the wrong decision but we made more wrong decisions.

    "Martin Skrtel is injured now, that is a problem I don’t know who will come back in this moment. Nobody had a rest, now we have to look who is available for Boxing Day."

  9. Post update

    Watford 3-0 Liverpool

    Everyone in Watford colours has laughed off talk of a place in the Champions League - but how high can they finish this year?

  10. The honeymoon's over

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    Henry Weston: We lose 3-0 and both Ake and Ighalo on the bench in my fantasy football - awful week!

    Christopher: Safe to say Klopp's honeymoon period is well and truly over. We've been shockingly poor. Credit to Watford though. I hope they and the other promoted teams stay up - they're showing the stereotypically bigger clubs how it's done.

  11. Watching Liverpool like pulling teeth

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    Other brands of painkillers are available...

  12. Ta ta tiki taka?

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    Not that any Premier League side ever reached Barcelona levels of possession football, but with the likes of Leicester and Watford stunning the big clubs this season - is their high-tempo counter-attacking style here to stay?

    Danny Hacking: All PL clubs play the defensive counter against the top teams and it works great! #bbcfootball

    Ralph Goga: #bbcfootball #2015/16 #premierleague proving possession for possession's sake is pointless if you don't do anything with the ball!!

    Jerry Elumeze: Teams like Leicester, Watford and Bournemouth have played with joy and freedom that have rejuvenated the league this season #bbcfootball

  13. Post update

    Watford 3-0 Liverpool

    "It was a wrong decision - but we made many more wrong decisions," says Jurgen Klopp when asked about the decision for Adam Bogdan's error.

  14. Goal crazy

    Real Madrid 3-2 Rayo

    Spanish La Liga

    Real Madrid

    It's goal mad in Madrid, that's five goals and two red cards already!

    Follow the chaos here.

  15. 'They should be good enough'

    Liverpool may be a team in transition, but they need to start fulfilling their potential, according to former player Jimmy Case."We know the problems facing Liverpool but there are no excuses - this team is young enough and have enough quality," he says.

    "Klopp needs the time to get a couple of new players in and get them gelled a bit more.

    "But the way the league has gone I wouldn't be surprised if Liverpool beat Leicester at home now."

  16. Hornets absolutely flying

    Watford 3-0 Liverpool

    Watford have already equalled their entire points tally from their last Premier League season in 2006-07 (28).  

  17. Watford's front two

    Watford 3-0 Liverpool

    Troy Deeney and Odion Ighalo

    Watford captain Troy Deeney: "That's four wins in a row which is massive in the Premier League and starts our so-called tough run that everyone is talking about. We show no fear against anyone. Odion Ighalo is on fire.

    "I know he is making the runs which makes life easy for me, I just put it in the space and he causes anyone problems.

    "If Leicester are still talking about getting to 40 points, so are we. We'll see about this top-four nonsense in March!"

    Odion Ighalo: "From the first minute you could see that we were after the first goal. We had no fear. I just make runs in behind and I know that Troy can find me. We have a connection."

    After Ighalo hands Deeney his man-of-the-match award, Deeney says: "that's the first pass I've had off you all season!"

  18. Wonderful Watford

    It's been a Leicester love-in this season but as BBC Sport's chief football writer Phil McNulty says, Watford are providing plenty of warm feelings too.

  19. Post update

    Watford 3-0 Liverpool

    This is Liverpool's heaviest Premier League defeat to a promoted side since losing 3-0 to Newcastle United in November 1993.  

  20. Tests ahead for Jurgen

    Watford 3-0 Liverpool

    Ian Kennedy

    Reporter, BBC Radio Merseyside Sport

    "Jurgen Klopp will come out on to the pitch here but that's another defeat after such a sparkling start to his managerial career at Liverpool.

    "It's early days of course but now he's got to deal with the situation of things not going well."

    Jurgen Klopp
  21. Post update

    Real on the rocks?

    Spanish La Liga

    While we wait for Quique and Jurgen, you may wish to head over to a cracker in Spain where Real Madrid are in some early strife.

    Find out what's going on here. 

  22. Post update

    Watford 3-0 Liverpool

    Well, we should get plenty of good reaction from that one! Keep it coming.

  23. Wonderful Watford

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    Jamie Thorpe: #bbcfootball imagine if both Leicester and Watford qualified for Europe. What a story, and completely deserved!

    Daniel Woodley: Stunning result for @WatfordFC today! And an incredible season for a club with so many new signings and nationalities! #bbcfootball

    Alistair Lowe: #bbcfootball Watford tremendous! Liverpool dire. Never in the game. Just goes to underline the scale of Klopp's job, which he knew already.  


    Watford 3-0 Liverpool

    Jurgen Klopp gives Quique Flores a hug before the final whistle as Watford go to within a point of the Champions League places!

    Liverpool's plans were nobbled as early as the third minute when Adam Bogdan made a hash of a routine corner...

    Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp
  25. Rodgers' revenge

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    As former boss of both clubs, Brendan Rodgers will probably be a keen observer of this game...

    Ross in Kent: Liverpool have been well and truly stung to death by the hornets today! Brendan Rodgers is probably laughing somewhere!

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  26. Post update

    Watford 3-0 Liverpool

    Into the last knockings at a jubilant Vicarage Road. What a win for Watford - their first over Liverpool since 1999. 

  27. 'What does Can even do?'

    Watford 3-0 Liverpool

    Ex-Liverpool midfielder Jimmy Case was already angry at Emre Can and after that third goal he's absolutely furious.

    "It was Can's fault yet again - he lost possession in the build up to the goal and he nearly cost Liverpool earlier," he says.

    "He went racing over the far side like a bull in a china shop.

    "I don't understand what he does in the middle - he doesn't dominate, he doesn't pass well and he has no vision."

  28. Post update

    Watford 3-0 Liverpool

    If you were naming the PFA team of the year now how many players would you have from Leicester, Watford, Crystal Palace and Everton?

    Odion Ighalo has been brilliant and he comes off to a huge ovation.

  29. Ighalo seals it

    Watford 3-0 Liverpool

    A really, really good goal to cap a stunning display from Watford. Etienne Capoue, Mr. perpetual motion in the midfield , starts it by winning the ball back high up the pitch, Troy Deeney picks out sub Valon Behrami on the right and his first-time cross is headed between the legs of Adam Bogdan by goal machine Odion Ighalo. 

    Odion Ighalo scores his second for Watford
  30. GOAL - Watford 3-0 Liverpool

    Odion Ighalo (85 mins)

    Odion Ighalo celebrates his second goal and Watford's third
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    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Christian Benteke wastes an attack as he is offside, so frustrating to see a striker do that when it's unnecessary. Into the last 10 minutes, Liverpool need to score now if they are to get anything from the game.

  32. Guess who Liverpool play next

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    The Liverpool fanbase is not a happy camp right now but at least they've got a Boxing Day game at home to look forward to...

    ...against Leicester. Oh.

    Molly Reid: Outplayed and outclassed in every minute of this game... #lfcfalse#wfc#bbcfootball

    Josh Brook: Lost - Liverpool's attack If found please return to Anfield #LFCfalse#bbcfootball

    Damian O'Neill: #bbcfootball At least pool have a home game against Leicester to bounce back with - oh god I keep forgetting!  

  33. Team news

    Swansea v West Ham (16:00 GMT)

    Bafetimbi Gomis is in for Swansea, replacing Wayne Routledge in their only change.

    And just the one change for West Ham too, with injured striker Andy Carroll out and Nikica Jelavic in for his first Hammers start.

    Swansea XI: Fabianski, Rangel, Fernandez, Williams, Taylor, Britton, Cork, Ki, Sigurdsson, Ayew, Gomis.

    Subs: Nordfeldt, Naughton, Amat, Shelvey, Barrow, Montero, Emnes

    West Ham XI: Adrian, Tomkins, Collins, Ogbonna, Cresswell, Noble (c), Song, Antonio, Kouyate, Zarate, Jelavic

    Subs: Randolph, Jenkinson, Oxford, Cullen, Hendrie, Obiang, Valencia

    Follow a live page for the build-up to that one here.

  34. Klopp confused?

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    Luke in Portsmouth: Klopp has completely misunderstood the expectations of English football. Celebrating like they'd won the league, after scrapping a point at home to West Brom...says it all really. His side are not good enough.

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    Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Just over 10 minutes remain, Liverpool continue to see the lion's share of the ball but still continue to threaten sporadically at best.

    Hornets defender Miguel Britos does go into the book for a tug on Christian Benteke. 

    Miguel Britos brings down Christian Benteke

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    It's not long since I saw Ikechi Anya score for a Northampton team heading for relegation into League Two. He is now on for a team chasing the Champions League. Extraordinary.

    The Scotland utility man replaces Jose Jurado on the left flank. 

  37. Verdict on Sakho

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    It's fair to say Mamadou Sakho has not enjoyed his afternoon. But is all the criticism warranted?

    Alan North: #bbcfootball Sakho has to be the most awkward and clumsy centre half I have seen since Titus Bramble. Simply dreadful.

    Porl Richard Thomas: Criticism of Sakho is ridiculous. 1st game back, not fully fit, having to do 99.9% defensive work alone against 2 good strikers #bbcfootball

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    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Adam Lallana and Roberto Firmino are OFF, Christian Benteke and Jordon Ibe are on for Liverpool. They have just under 20 minutes. 


    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    A tired clearance from Miguel Britos is played straight to Emre Can 25 yards from goal, he takes a touch and then fires in a shot which Heurelho Gomes turns away for a corner. That comes to nothing as Jurgen Klopp looks like making more changes.

  40. Bogdan redemption?

    Jimmy Case on BBC Radio Merseyside sees a glimmer of hope for Liverpool.

    "That save from Bogdan has given Liverpool a chance to get back into this game," he says.

    "But only if they can score the next goal."

  41. Football League latest

    Games at Leeds and Reading are just about to get under way, while in the 14:00 match Sheffield Wednesday lead Wolves 2-1 at the break.

    Follow all of that action here.

  42. Panto defending

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    Duncan in Isleworth: If the Boxing Day pantomime is as comical as Liverpool's performance today it should be a cracker!

    Oh not it won't, oh yes it will and so on...

  43. Post update

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Mamadou Sakho will go to sleep seeing Troy Deeney and Odion Ighalo in his dreams. Or nightmares.

    Sakho has the ball at the back, Deeney closes him down and wins it from him and is in on goal again, only a slide from Lucas brings it to a halt...

    Mamadou Sakho
  44. The dangerous duo

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    Plenty of Liverpool gripes out there, but also plenty of well-deserved praise for Troy Deeney and Odion Ighalo.

    The Watford strike pair have tormented the Liverpool defence.


    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    And another good save as Liverpool have their brightest moment. A long pass from left to right finds Jordan Henderson on the corner of the area, he breaks a tackle and then hits a dipping shot on the bounce which Heurelho Gomes turns over the top. A goal now and all three results will be on the cards...

  46. Mamadou 'Bambi' Sakho

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    With Martin Skrtel off, Mamadou Sakho is bearing the brunt of Liverpool frustrations now. Not sure the comparison is entirely fair on Bambi though...

    Simon Worthington: Liverpools defence is like Bambi on Ice today #bbcfootball

    Ben Hulme: Sakho has about as much grace on the ball as Bambi - nearly have a heart attack every time he's on the ball #WATLIV#LFCfalse#bbcfootball

    Chris Wright: See the way Sakho got skinned by Ighalo? #WATLIV 2-0 #bbcfootball


    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Great save! Adam Bogdan goes some way to redeeming himself with a really superb stop but Odion Ighalo should have secured the points for the Hornets.

    Mamadou Sakho slips over under no real pressure to pave the way to goal for Ighalo, he's in one-on-one, the goal is gaping - but Bogdan spreads himself to make a flying save. Has that kept his team in it?

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    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Adam Lallana heads a long punt wide as ironic cheers greet an overcued cross from Alberto Moreno.

    Liverpool having loads of possession with zero of the danger. Not unlike Manchester United, dare I say...

  49. Exquisite Ighalo

    The Mirror's John Cross is a big fan of Watford striker Odion Ighalo's flair at Vicarage Road today.

  50. Blame it on the Christmas jumper?

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    It Liverpool's not-so-natty knitwear the root of their pre-Christmas woes?

  51. Post update

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    That is brilliant from Odion Ighalo! He leaves Mamadou Sakho on his backside with a brilliant turn into the penalty area and then a flurry of red bodies just about scramble the ball away from danger. Liverpool's defending is woeful, but some of the Watford attacking play is divine. 

  52. 'Terrible from Henderson'

    Jimmy Case is furious with Jordan Henderson after his tame cross.

    He asks: "How do you even manage to give it straight to the keeper in that situation?"

    BBC Radio Merseyside commentator Ian Kennedy agrees: "It was an absolutely terrible cross from Henderson."

  53. Post update

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Liverpool are leaving two on two at the back and Odion Ighalo and Troy Deeney fancy their chances on the counter-attack. Liverpool's two just about squirt the ball away as Deeney looked like running in on goal for number three.

    Don't go anywhere, there are goals in this.

  54. At least it was a point last week

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    Can't see the Liverpool players getting the kindest reception should they bow to their fans after this game...

  55. Post update

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    I'm not too sure what formation Liverpool are playing now, but it's at least five up front. Jordan Henderson is on the right wing, he has men over but can only float a cross at Heurelho Gomes in the Watford goal. Disappointing. 

    Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp
  56. Post update

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Adam Bogdan comes for a long ball forwards - I can't watch - but he just about scoops it up this time. Liverpool instantly attack and Roberto Firmino is denied by the offside flag. Next goal feels massive.

  57. Post update

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Divock Origi is next to threaten for Liverpool, stretching the defence like Odion Ighalo in the first half. This time, though, he can't get a shot away and on target. Jurgen has had a half-time word or two...

  58. Post update

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Liverpool off and running at a high tempo and Alberto Moreno slides a shot into the side-netting. An early goal and it's anyone's...

  59. KICK-OFF

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Back under way!

    Liverpool defender Mamadou Sakho
  60. Gegenpress gone AWOL

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    Not much sign of the 'gegenpress' from Liverpool in that half, with Watford the side hassling and harrying Klopp's bewildered team...Will Proudfoot: We are being out-klopped... #bbcfootball#lfc

    Mark Duffell: A most unKlopp-like first half from #lfcfalse Bereft of ideas, energy & even fight. Jurgen now knows size of task on his hands Huge #bbcfootball

    David McNaught: Is this really the same Liverpool side that scored 7 in two away games at Man City and Chelsea? #bbcfootball

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    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Adam Bogdan has kept just one clean sheet in his 25 Premier League appearances to date. Just so you know.

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    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    There was a lot of activity from the Liverpool subs at half-time. All set?

  63. Rush goalie?

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    Worryingly, it seems plenty of Liverpool supporters wouldn't completely dismiss Keith's suggestion out of hand here...

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  64. Bogdan's blues

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    Adam Bogdan

    How much sympathy do you think is out there for Liverpool replacement keeper Adam Bogdan after his early struggles? That's right - almost none. 

    Mike Bell: Prince Harry doing his best in goal for Liverpool, but to be fair he does rather lack this sort of front line experience. #bbcfootball

    Antonis Zaoutsos: From now on, when I'm having a bad day, I'll think of Adam Bodgan. It can't be worse than what he's having today... #bbcfootball

    Kevin Macdonagh: I've always struggled to think of a worse Premier League keeper than Mignolet . . . Until today. #bbcfootball

  65. 'Watford are difficult to play against'

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Watford have made the most of conditions and Liverpool's wobbly defence, according to former Reds player Jimmy Case."It's been a disappointing half for Liverpool but Watford are playing with that knowing belief there is a forward running player and it's difficult to play against," he says.

    "It's not long ball, it's played into an area speculatively where it's awkward on this type of pitch for defenders to take control."

  66. Skrtel injury

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    Martin Skrtel receives treatment for an injury

    A miserable first half for Martin Skrtel ends in painful fashion as he limps off, not that he will be missed by everyone...

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    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Vicarage Road stands to a man - minus the away end - as the Golden Boys come off with a healthy 2-0 lead.

    Liverpool fans will know that at least they can only get better...

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    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Makeshift centre-back Lucas makes a makeshift clearance. The men in red look terrified of any ball into the penalty area. Jurgen Klopp may bring himself on at half-time.


  69. Post update

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    I don't want to worry Liverpool fans even more but it looks like Lucas is currently playing in defence. Against Odion Ighalo. 

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    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    After a long stoppage Ben Watson lines up the corner and does exactly what the situation demands - hard and fast, whipped in at Adam Bogdan's head!

    He stays on his line, the ball takes a bounce and almost flies in but to his credit Bogdan does claw it out with a firm hand. There was no conviction there though...


    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Martin Skrtel limps slowly to the sidelines and Jurgen Klopp tells a bemused Kolo Toure to sit down - on comes Divock Origi instead. A tactical reshuffle on his hands here for Klopp. Emre Can at the back?

    An injured Martin Skrtel is taken off for Liverpool
  72. Bogdan lost control

    The Times' Henry Winter has spotted referee Mark Clattenburg trying to clear up why Watford's first goal stood.

  73. Post update

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Some credit for Watford's front two though - every centre-back they've come up against this season has struggled.

    Who would Liverpool even target at the back? I don't see many good alternatives around. Martin Skrtel is struggling again now after stretching to hook a ball away.

  74. Spend, spend, spend

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    Running theme in your views of Liverpool's centre-backs. Seems they won't be short of volunteers to help prepare P45s for Skrtel, Sakho and Lovren.Francis Edwards: Liverpool's defence has been awful since Rodgers took over, these CBs lost 6-1 against Stoke. Changes needed! #bbcfootball

    Liam Haywood: #bbcfootball Liverpool seem to be a team that's always in transition, they have 1 good season then have to rebuild for 7 years.

    George Clark: Klopp taking on a team thats still got the mediocre players from Rodgers' two big summer spends. Let the transfer window open. #bbcfootball

  75. Post update

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    It's a bit archaic, a bit Graham Taylor even, but if I was Watford boss I'd be pumping balls into the mixer and seeing how Adam Bogdan fancies going up against Troy Deeney and Odion Ighalo. 

  76. Post update

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    "Get a name on it!"

    Absolute chaos at the heart of that Liverpool defence again as Adam Bogdan stutters, decides to come and then punches the ball into the face of team-mate Lucas! The ball ricochets goalward and needs to be cleared out. Bogdan is having a horrible afternoon...

    Martin Skrtel and Adam Bogdan
  77. A season of shocks

    We're with you on this one Yannick...

    Except that would render us unemployed so I'll go with 'chaotic', 'unpredictable' and 'very, very English.'

  78. Post update

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Martin Skrtel is back with us and the game is back under way. That will add on a few minutes to the first half as Troy Deeney wins a throw with some more intense pressure. 

  79. Can has no vision

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Ex-Liverpool player Jimmy Case is not a fan of Emre Can...

    "He seems to have no vision whatsoever - Jordan Henderson was in a great position there," he says on BBC Radio Merseyside.

  80. Post update

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Plenty of time for Liverpool to come back yet, or for Watford to increase their lead. A break in play as Martin Skrtel needs treatment for an awkward fall. Both managers use the interval to get into their players, lots of hand movements and geeing up. Skrtel is struggling, landed on his back. 

    Liverpool defender Martin Skrtel receives treatment
  81. Doom and gloom

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    This Liverpool showing not spreading much Christmas cheer out there...

    Nqaba Matshazi: Pep Guardiola for Liverpool, maybe #BBCFootball

    Daniel Kelly: Knew this would happen, what even is the performance #bbcfootball#LFCfalse#WFCvLFC

    Manny Singh Grewal: Looking at how liverpool are performing, was Rodgers the problem or our players. #bbcfootball

  82. Post update

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    From where are Liverpool going to find two goals to level things? 

    Manager Jurgen Klopp gave striker Christian Benteke's spot to Roberto Firmino today, but there's been little sign of the 'false nine' system that worked so well away to Chelsea and Manchester City taking hold here.

    Benteke is on the bench though...

    Watford Liverpool average positions
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    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    In Martin Skrtel's defence, Odion Ighalo may be shorter than him but he's pretty dense. I don't reckon many players could knock him off the ball. An absolute outhouse. 

    Odion Ighalo celebrates scoring Watford's second against Liverpool
  84. Skrtel at fault?

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    Martin Skrtel was comprehensively shrugged off by Odion Ighalo in the build-up to Watford's second goal. Has the Slovakian been found out?

  85. Post update

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Watford are a point off a top-four place as it stands. Could be they, Leicester and Crystal Palace in the Champions League next season if this mad season continues apace.

    Some excellent Jurgen Klopp histrionics on the touchline as a red shirt gives the ball away. I don't' know what he wants but he wants more of it, NOW. 

  86. Post update

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Hitting it wide early isn't really Liverpool's style. They have had 69% of possession in the opening 20 minutes or so but have nothing to show for it. Adam Lallana wants a penalty for a block by Miguel Britos before Liverpool left-back Alberto Moreno slams into Allan Nyom.

    Liverpool look rattled.

  87. 'Hit it wide early'

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Former Liverpool midfielder Jimmy Case isn't pleased with the visitors' lack of incisive attacking edge.

    "Liverpool haven't had any penetration or consistent pressure - though Watford are in a great formation to stop them playing now.

    "The only way they'll get into this game is a cute long ball out wide hit quickly to catch out Watford."

    Philippe Coutinho shoots for Liverpool
  88. Early Christmas gift for Watford

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    Adam Bogdan's early mistake is the lump of coal in Liverpool fans' stockings this Christmas...

    Mike in Edinburgh: I can't be the only Liverpool fan who misses Pepe Reina!

    Tom in Brighton: All I want for Christmas is a new goalkeeper...

    David in London: An early Christmas gift from Bogdan wrapped in yellow and black ribbons.

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  89. Post update

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Everyone has been saying all season that Watford's front two and their 4-4-2 are a refreshing throwback but I'll add to the chat - it truly is. Give me a big powerful centre-forward to watch any day of the week.

    Much like Christian Benteke, who is on the bench for the visitors this afternoon.

  90. Ighalo outmuscles Skrtel

    Ian Kennedy

    Reporter, BBC Radio Merseyside Sport

    "Ighalo got in front of Skrtel and once he did that Liverpool were in trouble.

    "Watford have only had two opportunities and they've scored from both of them."

    Watford keeper Heurelho Gomes
    Image caption: Vicarage Road is jumping, as is Watford keeper Heurelho Gomes
  91. Lunchtime showing at the Odion

    Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Nobody can stop Odion Ighalo! He's the new Romelu Lukaku/Jamie Vardy as he scores for the fourth game in a row.

    It's a lovely old-school goal too, Troy Deeney helping the ball over the top for Ighalo to chase, but you would make Martin Skrtel favourite. However, Skrtel bounces off the powerhouse like many a centre-back before him, Ighalo gets away and despite the angle being against him he manages to scuff a shot across the face of goal and in off the far post.

  92. GOAL - Watford 2-0 Liverpool

    Odion Ighalo (15 mins)

    Odion Ighalo scores Watford's second
  93. Post update

    Watford 1-0 Liverpool

    Still an Adam Bogdan error for me, he was under no pressure originally and shelled the initial catch like an English slip fielder on a 1990s Ashes tour.

    Interestingly, if Premier League games ended at half-time this season, Watford would be top of the league with 27 points. They like a brisk start.

    Liverpool of course scored in the 95th minute last week...

    Liverpool keeper Adam Bogdan watches as Watford take a 1-0 lead
  94. Bogdan unfortunate?

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    Or was Adam Bogdan in possession of the ball? Should Liverpool have been awarded a free-kick?

    David Robinson: Surely Bogdan had possession of the ball there!? #bbcfootball

    Dan Stobbs: As awful as that was by Bogdan he had it in two hands when Ake kicked it! Ref should have blown for a foul #WATLIV#LFCfalse#bbcfootball

    Sean Fleming: Don't recall too many goalkeeping errors that are the keeper having the ball kicked out of his hands..... #bbcfootball

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  95. Post update

    Watford 1-0 Liverpool

    Watford are a point behind Manchester United in the Premier League table as it stands. They are also at least 500% more entertaining to watch for the neutral. 

  96. Post update

    Watford 1-0 Liverpool

    Liverpool have mounted a decent reaction as Adam Lallana and then Emre Can both drive into the Watford penalty area and force corners. Philippe Coutinho then hits the target with a swerver from 20 yards but Heurelho Gomes makes the easy stop. 

  97. Butter-fingers Bogdan?

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    Simon Mignolet has been under fire for some of his errors recently but Adam Bogdan's early troubles suggest it's catching at Anfield...

  98. 'They kicked it out of his hands'

    Watford 1-0 Liverpool

    Former Liverpool midfielder Jimmy Case on BBC Radio Merseysideisn't convinced about the legitimacy of that early Watford goal

    "As it's gone back into Adam Bogdan's hands it looks like a Watford player has kicked or handballed it out of his hands.

    "A goal so early in the game picks up the crowd but now Liverpool have got to settle down and play the way they can, which takes a bit of time."

  99. A fair catch?

    Watford 1-0 Liverpool

    On second viewing from another angle there is the suggestion that Adam Bogdan may have had the ball in two hands as Nathan Ake connected with the ball. Should that goal have been ruled out?

    It's an odd one as Bogdan caught the ball, dropped it and then reclaimed it on the bounce as Ake met the ball.

    Just catch the thing first time around...

  100. Post update

    Watford 1-0 Liverpool

    That was as bad a goalkeeping error as I can remember. Absolute bread and butter stuff. But Watford have started brilliantly, putting the Liverpool defence under all sorts of pressure so far. Klopp-like intensity. 

    Nathan Ike and Troy Deeney
  101. Bogdan drops it...

    Watford 1-0 Liverpool

    Dear oh dear oh dear! There was some suggestion that Adam Bogdan may have been selected in goal today whether Simon Mignolet was fit or not, with Mignolet singled out for being poor on set-pieces against West Brom last time out.

    Well, whatever is wrong with Liverpool keepers, it's catching. Or not.

    Ben Watson swings in a corner which is easy for Bogdan, I mean really, really routine stuff. But he shells it somehow, dropping the ball at the feet of Nathan Ake, who cannot believe his luck and taps in from a yard out. 

    A shocker!

    Liverpool keeper Adam Bogdan spills the ball
  102. GOAL - Watford 1-0 Liverpool

    Nathan Ake (3 mins)

    Watford open their account against Liverpool
  103. KICK-OFF

    Watford 0-0 Liverpool

    Away we go!

  104. Post update

    Watford v Liverpool (13:30 GMT)

    Jurgen Klopp will have felt a tug of his heartstrings as the players emerge at Watford - fans behind the goal erect a cracking full-length mural which is Dortmund-esque in its style, if not scope.

    The atmosphere is building nicely. Even the mascots are involved...

    Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp with the Watford mascot
  105. Post update

    Watford v Liverpool (13:30 GMT)

    'Deceptively warm, innit?' is the insight from Watford captain Troy Deeney as the teams line up in the Vicarage Road tunnel.

    It sure is Troy. It sure is. All set?

    Watford striker Troy Deeney
  106. Why bother with the big clubs?

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    Steve in Sussex: I have to say the ultimate test for any "super" manager like Guardiola or Mourinho is to manage a club like Swansea (who I support funnily enough) rather than a big club and lead them to the title. Then without question they have legend status as they already have enough money?.....Just a thought.

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  107. Football League latest

    Walsall 1-0 Port Vale

    The first domestic goal of the day has come at the Bescot - read all about it, and the upcoming Championship action, in the Football league live page here.

  108. LINE-UPS

    Watford v Liverpool (13:30 GMT)

    Watford: Gomes, Nyom, Cathcart, Britos, Ake, Abdi, Watson, Capoue, Jurado, Ighalo, Deeney. Subs: Behrami, Oulare, Guedioura, Anya, Holebas, Diamanti, Arlauskis.

    Liverpool: Bogdan, Clyne, Skrtel, Sakho, Moreno, Henderson, Lucas, Can, Lallana, Firmino, Coutinho. Subs: Toure, Benteke, Allen, Origi, Ibe, Fulton, Randall.

    Referee: Mark Clattenburg (Tyne & Wear)

  109. We like this one

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    SMS Message: If Jose really wants to prove his credentials he needs to take the Colchester job, lift them off the bottom of League One, shape up that defence. Basically we've not seen him perform without money before, would be interesting to see him at a club without billions of pounds behind him. from Beth, Tottenham
    Beth, Tottenham
  110. Why bother with the big clubs?

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    Of all the madcap things to have happened at Leeds United over the last few years, Pep Guardiola or Jose Mourinho rocking up at Elland Road would be the most shocking.

    Keep dreaming Tim...

  111. A good omen?

    Watford v Liverpool (13:30 GMT)

    Watford are the 11th newly-promoted side to have won 25+ points in their opening 16 games of a Premier League season - none of the previous 10 have been relegated.

    Are the Hornets already looking safe?

    Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp
  112. Pep to Arsenal?

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    Guardiolafor the Gunners? Not everyone is best pleased with that suggestion...

    I think we are all thinking that any move to Arsenal would come when Arsene Wenger decides to step down...

  113. Post update

    Watford v Liverpool (13:30 GMT)

    The Sir Elton John stand is filling up nicely at Vicarage Road ahead of the first Premier League action of the day. Which Liverpool side will we see turn up today?

  114. Schlupp on the way back

    Leicester City

    It's been a miraculous season so far for Leicester but reality could start to bite, with their squad depth tested by injuries to the likes of Jeffrey Schlupp.

    But the man himself is in high spirits as he continues his recovery from a hamstring problem.

  115. Can Leicester win the league?

  116. Pep to Arsenal?

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    All of the talk is about a three-way bidding war between Man City, Man United and Chelsea for Pep Guardiola. But are Arsenal in the running?

    Tom Sargent: I'd love to see Pep take over @Arsenal; a club that strongly supports their manager. A rare thing these days... #bbcfootball

    Kaushik Gorai: #bbcfootball Simeone At Chelsea, Guardiola at MCFC, Mourinho at MUFC, Klopp at LFC, Its time for Arsenal to get one of the big name manager.

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