Made for 4 Extra. Amanda Litherland and Ben Hunte recommend two of their favourite podcasts, 'Stance' and 'Pod Save The People'.
Radio 4 Extra explores the world of podcasts and finds the best on offer.
Each week, Amanda Litherland and a guest presenter recommend one or two podcasts from the BBC and beyond. From some of the most popular series, to lesser-known hidden gems, they feature their favourite finds and speak with the people who make them.
This week's guest is presenter, Ben Hunte.
Podcasts featured: Stance, and a chat with its presenters Heta Fell and Chrystal Genesis - and activist DeRay McKesson talks about his podcast Pod Save The People.