Are England footballers good enough?
Failure at big tournaments is something England football fans have got pretty used to over the years.
Now the England Under-21s, the next generation of stars, have suffered a major embarrassment.
They lost their third straight game after a 1-0 defeat to Israel on Tuesday in the European Championships group stage.
Manager Stuart Pearce blamed the players for not being good enough - reigniting a big debate about the talent coming through and the quality of coaching.