January 6 hearing: Trump was 'detached from reality', says Bill Barr

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Watch: Former US attorney general Bill Barr says he thought Trump was "detached from reality" after the 2020 election

The former US attorney general says he thought Donald Trump was "detached from reality" after the 2020 election, a congressional panel has heard.

Testimony from Bill Barr played at the 6 January Capitol riot inquiry revealed deep divisions at the Trump campaign over his election fraud claims.

Two camps emerged - a "Team Normal" that accepted Mr Trump's loss, and loyalists who did not.

The panel has accused Mr Trump of an attempted coup to remain in power.

The second of a series of public hearings, Monday's session was preceded by the announcement that a star witness - Mr Trump's former campaign manager Bill Stepien - would not be appearing because his wife had gone into labour.

Instead, his lawyer gave a statement on his behalf and Mr Stepien's previous private testimony was publicly played by the Democratic-led US House of Representatives select committee.

In it, Mr Stepien revealed that members of Mr Trump's inner circle had advised him to not declare victory in the November 2020 election.

A faction of the campaign he dubbed "Team Normal" told the former president that he had lost the election, Mr Stepien said, but another group refused to accept the outcome.

It became known as "Rudy's team", after former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who was among the most vocal of Mr Trump's supporters to claim the election was stolen.

Both Mr Stepien and another witness, former Trump adviser Jason Miller, testified that Mr Giuliani appeared to be inebriated on the night of the election.

Mr Miller said that even with results still coming in, Mr Giuliani suggested that Trump "go and declare victory and say that we'd won it outright".

Through a spokesman on Monday, Mr Giuliani denied that he was intoxicated on election night, saying he did not know why Mr Miller would "make such a false claim".

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Donald Trump addressing supporters in Washington DC hours before the 6 January 2021 riot

Among those who warned the then-president not to declare victory was former Attorney General Bill Barr, who in videotaped testimony said that he had repeatedly told Mr Trump there was no basis to claims of rigged voting machines or ballot "dumps" - which Mr Barr referred to as "crazy stuff".

Mr Trump, however, refused to acknowledge these concerns and continued to spread fraud claims, Mr Barr said. He testified that he was "demoralised" by his boss' claims.

"I thought, 'Boy if he really believes this stuff, he has lost contact with - he's become detached from reality, if he really believes this stuff,'" he said.

The 6 January select committee is seeking to show that the ex-president's election fraud claims directly led to an attack on the US Capitol.

"He and his closest advisers knew those claims were false," California Democratic Representative Zoe Lofgren said, referring to Mr Trump. "But they continued to peddle them anyway".

The committee is scheduled to hold more hearings on Wednesday and Thursday later this week.

Members of the select committee are laying out further evidence for their case that the former President Donald Trump was responsible for the chaotic attack on the US Capitol last year.

The hearing is quieter today - the second time that committee members are presenting their case to the public - and fewer members of Congress are here.

The challenge for the committee members is convincing Republicans of their point of view. About half of Republicans believe that the people who stormed the Capitol are patriots, according to a CBS News poll.

They have a deep animosity towards the federal government, and the number of "persuadables" - political-speak for those who can be convinced of another point of view - is small. On the way into the building, a protester held up a sign that seemed to sum up the feelings of many of these Republicans.

"Wake Up Federal scum," it said.