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Summary

  1. The Public Accounts Committee discusses NHS Wales Health Boards' Governance
  2. The plenary begins at 13.30 with questions to the first minister.
  3. Debate on the Children's Commissioner for Wales' Annual Report 14-15
  4. Stage 4 of the Renting Homes (Wales) Bill
  5. Debate on Stage 3 of the Regulation and Inspection of Social Care (Wales) Bill

Live Reporting

By Alun Jones and Anna Glyn

All times stated are UK

  1. Nos da

    That's the end of the Stage 3 Debate on the Regulation and Inspection of Social Care (Wales) Bill.

     Senedd Live returns at 9am tomorrow.

    Senedd
  2. Registration of social care workers

    Dr Altaf Hussain, Conservative AM for South West Wales, decides not to move amendments on the registration of social care workers with Social Care Wales.

    He does so after the health minister set out an extended timetable for registration "which will give the sector sufficient time to prepare for this major step forward". 

    A three-year development programme for domiciliary care workers will start in April 2016; the register will open in April 2018 and all workers will have to be registered by April 2020.

  3. No ban on the use of zero hours contracts

    Plaid Cymru express dismay that their amendment to ban the use of zero hours contracts in the care sector is rejected.

    Health minister Mark Drakeford explains that an absolute and blanket ban "is not a position supported by responsible employers, or by senior commissioners, or by the trades union movement". 

     He also added "this is not the end of this debate. I made clear at Stage 2 that if concerns about the impact of zero hours contracts on the quality of care are borne out in the further research that I've commissioned by Manchester Metropolitan University, then we will move rapidly to bring forward policy options through a consultation we will hold in January next year".

    Care
  4. 'You are a professor, I have one O-level'

    "You are a professor, I have one O-level" says Plaid Cymru's Lindsay Whittle when the health minister Mark Drakeford rejects amendment 82 regarding the preferred language of the person to whom the regulated service is being provided.

    Exam
  5. 'No plans to charge'

    Earlier this year the Health minister Mark Drakeford said he "would have no immediate intention of using the power" under Section 38 of the Regulation and Inspection of Social Care (Wales) Bill to introduce a regime of charging.  

  6. Regulation and Inspection of Social Care (Wales) Bill.

    The final item today is the debate on Stage 3 of the Regulation and Inspection of Social Care (Wales) Bill.

    The Bill includes provision for:

    • reform of the regulatory regime for care and support services;
    • provision of a regulatory framework that requires an approach to the regulation of care and support services focused on outcomes for service users;
    • reform of the inspection regime for local authority social services functions;
    • the reconstitution and renaming of the Care Council for Wales as Social Care Wales and the broadening of its remit; and
    • the reform of the regulation of the social care workforce.

    Further detail about the Bill can be found in its accompanying Explanatory Memorandum.

  7. Renting Homes (Wales) Bill approved

    Members approve the Renting Homes (Wales) Bill.  

  8. Stage 4 of the Renting Homes

    Members move on to Stage 4 of the Renting Homes (Wales) Bill - the passing of the Bill in Plenary.  

    The Renting Homes (Wales) Bill was introduced on 9 February 2015 by Lesley Griffiths AM, Minister for Communities and Tackling Poverty.

    The Bill reforms the law applying to rented homes in Wales. The Bill will replace the majority of existing types of tenancy and licence agreements with two new types of occupation contract.

    There will be two new types of occupation contract
  9. 'Urgent' need for improvement programme

    Liberal Democrat Aled Roberts calls on the Welsh Government to deliver their improvement programme on CAMHS (Children and Adolescent Mental Health Services) "as a matter of urgency".

  10. Call for transfer of responsibility

    Conservative Angela Burns calls on the Welsh government to accept that the responsibility for the appointment and the funding of the Children's Commissioner should be transferred to the National Assembly for Wales.  

    Angela Burns
  11. Annual Report 2014-15

    Members move on to a debate the Children's Commissioner for Wales' Annual Report 14-15.

    Authorities should give teenagers leaving care the same support they would give their own children, according to the Children's Commissioner for Wales.

    Sally Holland - who was appointed earlier this year - says it did not make sense to care for these youngsters only for them to be let down at the last hurdle.

    Official figures show nearly half of 19-year-olds leaving care are not in education, employment or training.

  12. Members approve regulations

    Members approve regulations which amend the timing of the first reporting period for the Auditor General’s examinations in relation to the Well-being of Future Generations (Wales) Act 2015 and also the deadline for the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales to submit her estimates of income and expenses for financial year 2016-17.  

    Sophie Howe was appointed as the new Future Generations Commissioner earlier this month.

    Sophie Howe
  13. Business Statement and Announcement

    Following the Business Statement and Announcement, which outlines the future business of the Assembly up to three weeks in advance, requests are made for statements and debates on carbon monoxide poisoning, school breakfasts and banking closures, among other issues.

  14. HMRC: Call to avoid compulsory redundancies

    The Deputy Minister for Culture, Sport and Tourism, Ken Skates calls on the prime minister "to do all within his power to avoid compulsory redundancies".

  15. Urgent Question

    Rhun ap Iorwerth, AM for Ynys Môn, asks what discussions has the Welsh Government held regarding the future of HMRC offices in Wales.

    Last week it was announced that all tax offices in Wales are to close with staff expected to transfer to new centres in Cardiff and Liverpool.

    HM Revenue and Customs is shutting more than 100 offices to be replaced by 13 new regional bases, with up to 3,800 employed in Cardiff.

    Offices in Wrexham, Swansea, Porthmadog and the present Cardiff office at Llanishen will close. An office in Merthyr is already due to shut in 2016.

    HMRC's offices in Llanishen, Cardiff, are set to be replaced by a new regional centre
    Image caption: HMRC's offices in Llanishen, Cardiff, are set to be replaced by a new regional centre
  16. Do children learn better in larger classes?

    Education is the topic raised by Liberal Democrat leader Kirsty Williams. She asks, with irony, if children learn better in larger classes. 

    Depends on several factors says first minister.  

    Kirsty Williams says two years ago 218 classes had more than 30 pupils, now 246 do.  

    First minister says he has protected education spending and and that Kirsty Williams should focus on outcomes rather than figures.  

    Kirsty Williams
  17. Bad feeling and resentment?

    On refugees, Leanne Wood says bad feeling and resentment could grow unless focus is on 'integration, cohesion and fair play'.  

    First minister says that refugees must be settled as soon as possible so their needs can be met and their skills can be utilised.  

  18. 'Help unite Welsh communities'

    Plaid Cymru leader Leanne Wood asks what he is doing to "help unite Welsh communities" after Paris and ensure "no backlash" against Muslims.  

    The first minister says he asked for information on threats to Muslim communities after Paris attacks. He's content they are being protected.  

    Leanne Wood
  19. Betsi Cadwaladr health board split up?

    Mr Davies also asks a question on whether Betsi Cadwaladr health board will be split up.

    The first minister says there are no plans for changes before the election, but there is an issue.

    He adds that Trevor Purt working in England is a matter for the employer, Betsi Cadwaladr health board, but there has been no severance package.

  20. Gritting roads around hospitals

    On to first minister's questions, and a question from Conservative leader Andrew RT Davies on NHS services, specifically gritting roads around hospitals in cold weather. 

    Winter plans will be on local health board websites by the end of the month, says Mr Jones.

    Andrew RT Davies
  21. Far-right protests?

    First minister also warns there could be far-right protests outside mosques after Paris attacks.  

  22. Police briefing

    Many policy issues arising from Paris attacks are reserved, says first minister, although the Minister for Public Services Leighton Andrews met police today for briefing.  

  23. 'Shoulder to shoulder'

    Wales stands shoulder to shoulder with the people of France says first minister in Welsh, English and French.

    The people of Paris have paid a heavy price for exercising the right to live freely, and freedom is a cause we must defend, he says.  

    Carwyn Jones
  24. Statement on the Paris attacks

    Plenary will begin with a statement by the First Minister on the Paris attacks.  

    Tricolor, Union Jack, Welsh flag
  25. Private session

    That's the end of this morning's committee meeting.

    Senedd Live will be back for plenary at 1.30.

  26. Complaints

    "We still take too long to deal with complaints", says Simon Dean.

  27. Advisor to East Lancashire Hospitals NHS Trust

    According to Linked-in Trevor Purt is now an advisor to East Lancashire Hospitals NHS Trust. 

  28. Mistake in written evidence

    Aled Roberts AM refers to the board's written evidence which states, "In order to achieve the Welsh government’s three year breakeven duty, the health board will therefore need to achieve an underspend in the 2015/16 financial year of £56.6m."

    Dr Peter Higson admits that is a mistake and should read £26.6m.

    Aled Roberts
    Image caption: Aled Roberts
  29. 'No complacency'

    The board hopes a new chief executive will start work early next year. 

    Facing questions about what the board was doing to turn things around, Simon Dean tells AMs there was no complacency at the top of the organisation. 

  30. Deficit

    "Clearly it is not acceptable to be predicting a deficit of £30m at the end of the year", acknowledges Simon Dean. The board has a savings plan of 3.6%, which is "a good level to achieve" he adds.

    money
  31. 'Optimism'

    Peter Higson says "there is a sense of optimism within the staff now in terms of taking the board forward... We are addressing some pretty fundamental weaknesses". 

  32. Up to the job?

    "Many people are wondering why more people were not shown the door as a result of the failures that have been identified...Surely there are some people around the executive table who were not up to the job", says Darren Millar. 

    Mr Dean replies, "I'm currently going through a performance appraisal and review with all the directors". 

    Darren Millar (left)
  33. Trevor Purt

    The committee chair, Darren Millar asks about Trevor Purt's terms of departure. 

    Dr Higson says Professor Purt "has relinquished his role as chief executive, but we have agreed a secondment for Mr Purt to a health organisation in England for a period of 12 months ending in October next year".

    He confirms that Mr Purt therefore remains within the employment of the health board at his existing rate of pay as a chief executive until then, and says under the circumstances this provides the best value for money for the taxpayer. 

    Trevor Purt at a previous committee meeting
    Image caption: Trevor Purt at a previous committee meeting
  34. Witnesses

    Witnesses
    Image caption: Dr Peter Higson - Chair, Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board Simon Dean – Interim Chief Executive, Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board
  35. Betsi Cadwaladr

    The  Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board has been under the highest possible level of Welsh government intervention since June, for what Health Minister Mark Drakeford called "serious and outstanding concerns" about its leadership.

    A report in May found "institutional abuse" at the Tawel Fan mental health ward in Glan Clwyd Hospital.

    In June, it emerged there was a fraud investigation into aspects of the board's spending plans.

    Special measures were extended for another two years in October.

    Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board
  36. Bore da

    The Public Accounts Committee gets underway at 9. NHS Wales Health Boards' Governance is the topic this morning.

    Senedd