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Summary

  1. The Finance Committee takes evidence on the budget from Finance Secretary Derek Mackay
  2. Economy, jobs and fair work ministers are in the hot seats for portfolio questions followed by finance and the constitution ministers
  3. The Scottish government lead a debate on the future of Jobcentre Plus in Scotland
  4. SNP MSP Bill Kidd leads a member's debate on on the Jimmy Reid Foundation trident report

Live Reporting

By Craig Hutchison and Colin Bell

All times stated are UK

That's all from Holyrood Live

Holyrood night
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That brings our coverage of the Scottish Parliament on Wednesday 8 February 2016 to an end.

We'll be back tomorrow morning with the Europe Committee from 10am, as it studies the Brexit impact.

Have a good night.

Jobs can be safeguarded through business support

Test firing a Trident missile
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Economy Secretary Keith Brown says the refusal to acknowledge the misfiring incident is "completely unacceptable".

Mr Brown says one of the most compelling arguments is that Parliament has overwhelmingly voted against Trident in yet the weapons are stored here.

The economy secretary says jobs are a very real concern but the jobs can be safeguarded through business support. 

Economy secretary says it is serious that the misfire was not shared by the MOD

Economy Secretary Keith Brown says the UK government voted for Trident renewal despite only one MP in Scotland voting for it.

Mr Brown highlights the misfire of the Trident test missile which the UK government chose not to share.

Tory MSP Edward Mountain says all weapons can misfire and there are failsafes that allow you to detonate them.

Keith Brown and Edward Mountain
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Keith Brown and Edward Mountain

Mr Mountain asks if the minister accepts missiles can go wrong and there must be tests.

Mr Brown says off course I accept that, but he says what he is talking about is the consequences of a misfire of a Trident nuclear missile with them affecting thousands.

He says it is serious that the misfire was not shared by the MOD.

'Nuclear weapons are morally wrong because they are indiscriminate'

Economy Secretary Keith Brown
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Economy Secretary Keith Brown

Economy Secretary Keith Brown says this report effectively demolishes the jobs argument. 

Mr Brown says there is "no way on earth you can justify such expenditure for jobs."

He says "nuclear weapons are morally wrong because they are indiscriminate". 

Mr Brown says so many serving personnel and previous serving personnel have said Trident is not worth it.

SNP MSP Trident renewal is a basic disregard of the UN's Non-Proliferation Treaty

SNP MSP Maree Todd
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SNP MSP Maree Todd

SNP MSP Maree Todd says the UK government still wants to renew Trident, knowing full well it fundamentally undermines our security.

Ms Todd says the UK's refusal to give up Trident is a basic disregard of the UN's Non-Proliferation Treaty.

She says polls consistently shows the majority of Scots oppose Trident.

Cyber crime and terrorism the main threats

Labour MSP Neil Findlay
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Labour MSP Neil Findlay

Labour MSP Neil Findlay says the idea of a nuclear weapon is a new and novel concept to him.

Mr Findlay says, for those who are opposed to Trident, like him, the task is to convince others.

The Labour MSP says SNP MSP Rona Mackay's contribution will do nothing to build a coalition. 

Mr Findlay says there are those who say changes in politics make Trident and irrelevance. 

He says cyber crime and terrorism have been identified as the main threats and there should be a focus on this.

'It is right we have an ultimate deterrent'

Conservative MSP Edward Mountain says when he was a soldier on the Rhine, outnumbered six to one by the Russians, in the 1980s.

Mr Mountain says there was a plan to hold the Russians back for five days and their plan was to get him and his comrades out of the way as fast as possible.

Conservative MSP Edward Mountain
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Conservative MSP Edward Mountain

He says he knew the Russians would use nuclear weapons to get rid of the NATO forces.

Mr Mountain says he was delighted with the end of the Cold War and the 79% of reduction in the number of nuclear weapons achieve by the UK since then.

The Tory MSP says: "It is right we have an ultimate deterrent."

The UK's membership of NATO is a deterrence says SNP MSP

SNP MSP Tom Arthur
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SNP MSP Tom Arthur

SNP MSP Tom Arthur says he is opposed to Trident and questions its independence. 

Mr Arthur says the power to authorise a launch sits with the UK government and the UK's membership of NATO is a deterrence,

Trident missiles are repugnant and a terrifying threat wherever they are says Labour MSP

Labour MSP Elaine Smith pays tribute to Bill Kidd for his effort on this issue. 

Ms Smith says Scottish Labour recently confirmed its policy against Trident renewal and anyone who is anti-Trident should want to welcome that.

Elaine SMith
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She says Trident missiles are repugnant and a terrifying threat wherever they are.

Ms Smith says 600 jobs are directly dependent on Trident and they should be redeployed elsewhere.

The existence of nuclear weapons threatens the whole of civilization says SNP MSP

SNP MSP George Adam
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SNP MSP George Adam

SNP MSP George Adam asks, after the previous contribution, "where do I start?"

He says he disagrees with nuclear weapons and that the Jimmy Reid Foundation report makes the case well for not renewing Trident.

Mr Adam says the existence of nuclear weapons threatens the whole of civilization. 

He says deterrence is a rationale used by supporters of Trident but non-renewal would free up money. 

Tory MSP says only thing to stop a third world war last century was nuclear weapons

Scottish Conservative MSP Maurice Corry says the only thing to stop a third world war in the 20th century was having nuclear weapons. 

Mr Corry says we do not face the same challenges in the 21st century but certain issues still remain.

Economy Secretary Keith Brown intervenes to ask what countries should possess nuclear weapons.

Mr Corry says those who demonstrate proper control.

Scottish Parliament
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Labour MSP Neil Findlay and Tory MSP Maurice Corry

Labour MSP Neil Findlay intervenes to ask if proper control means "ones that go in the correct direction."

Mr Corry says everything needs to be tested to make sure it works correctly and in that particular case it self destructed which meant it worked correctly.

Trident renewal: Only one Scottish MP votes in favour

Politicians are divided over Trident nuclear replacement vote

In July, all but one of Scotland's 59 MPs has voted against renewing the Trident nuclear weapons programme in the Commons.

MPs backed the renewal of the UK's nuclear weapons system, voting 472 to 117 in favour in Parliament.

The SNP's 54 members opposed renewal, as did Labour's Ian Murray, Lib Dem Alistair Carmichael and independent MPs Michelle Thomson and Natalie McGarry.

But Conservative MP David Mundell backed the renewal proposals.

Green MSP says 'it is an abomination' to even consider using Trident

Green MSP Alison Johnstone
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Green MSP Alison Johnstone

Green MSP Alison Johnstone says she was pleased to take part in the launch of the Jimmy Reid Foundation 

Ms Johnstone says the Scottish Parliament has voted for a constitutional ban off Trident.

The Green MSP says it is an abomination to even consider using such weapons.

She says the moral and philosophical case in the Jimmy Reid report makes it clear the democratic will of the Scottish people is being ignored.

Background: Theresa May 'faith' in Trident after test 'malfunction'

Theresa May refuses to answer question on Trident

Theresa May says she has "absolute faith" in the UK's nuclear weapons system despite reports that an unarmed missile went off course during a test.

The Sunday Times says the missile, fired in June, veered off course, weeks before a crucial Commons vote on Trident's future.

When questioned by the BBC, Mrs May repeatedly refused to say if she knew about the misfire ahead of the vote.

Nicola Sturgeon said it was a "hugely serious issue".

Nuclear weapons are abhorrent and there is no justification for their use

SNP MSP Mairi Evans
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SNP MSP Mairi Evans

SNP MSP Mairi Evans says nuclear weapons are abhorrent and there is no justification for their use. 

Ms Evans says morally we cannot accept the renewal of Trident, nor should we accept weapons being stored on our doorstep.

The SNP MSP says the money spent on Trident could be better spent but when it comes to war money can always be found.

She says nuclear weapons do not stop terrorist attacks and have never stopped wars.

Background: A guide to Trident

Trident submarine
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What is Trident?

Since 1969, according to government documents, a British submarine carrying nuclear weapons has always been on patrol, gliding silently beneath the waves, somewhere in the world's oceans.

The logic is to deter a nuclear attack on the UK because, even if the nation's conventional defence capabilities were destroyed, the silent submarine would still be able to launch a catastrophic retaliatory strike on the aggressor, a concept known as mutually assured destruction.

The submarines carry up to eight Trident missiles. Each can be fitted with a number of warheads, which can be directed at different targets.

Read more here.

'No submarine means no base and no jobs'

Jackie Baillie
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Labour MSP Jackie Baillie says she wants to achieve a global zero of nuclear weapons, but she says she has to think about those working at the Faslane base in her constituency.

Ms Baillie has previously said she believes in multilateral nuclear disarmament to achieve a global zero, not unilateral disarmament.  

Ms Baillie says there is expected to be 13,000 jobs in total at Faslane, not 600 as the report says.

The Dumbarton MSP says Faslane is the single biggest sight employer in Scotland and the only reason for a naval base in her constituency is Trident.

She says no submarine means no base and no jobs.

'We must surrender these weapons right away'

SNP MSP Gil Paterson says once again we stand in this chamber making the case against nuclear weapons.

Mr Paterson says what they are designed to do is "madness beyond comprehension".

Gil Paterson
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The SNP MSP says he does not believe nuclear weapons will be used again but he is concerned about human error.

He says the aftermath of a human error with the weapons in his constituency in Clydebank would result in the entire Scottish pupulation being wiped out.

"We must surrender these weapons right away," he says. 

'I have come to the view that he still believes in a nuclear deterrent.'

Tory MSP Jackson Carlaw
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Tory MSP Jackson Carlaw

Tory MSP Jackson Carlaw says he does not dismiss the argument Bill Kidd makes.

Mr Carlaw says: "I have come to the view that he still believes in a nuclear deterrent."

He says he cannot look forward thirty years and see what the threats will be facing this island.

Mr Carlaw says he still supports a proportionate nuclear deterrent r and says the House of Commons overwhelmingly backed his view. 

Labour's position on Trident is "farcical."

SNP MSP Rona Mackay
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SNP MSP Rona Mackay

SNP MSP Rona Mackay says without Trident renewal there will still be jobs at naval bases.

Ms Mackay says scrapping Trident will not affect jobs.

The SNP MSP says there is far more risk to this than pound notes.

She says Labour's position on Trident is "farcical." 

Point of order about Article 50 debate

Labour MSP Neil Findlay raises a point of order referring to yesterday's debate on Article 50 not being extended, after this debate is extended.

Deputy Presiding Officer Christine Grahame explains why yesterday it was not possible to extend the debate.

'It is a small world and nuclear radiation cannot be contained'

SNP MSP Bill Kidd
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Mr Kidd says as recently as 2015, 11,000 patients have been treated because of the affects of bombs being dropped. 

The SNP MSP says we are not immune to radiation.

"Real human security is for all humans," he says, "it is a small world and nuclear radiation cannot be contained."

Mr Kidd says "we can still hope" and we all must take responsibility for our own actions. 

SNP MSP says there is a high level of public engagement in nuclear disarmament

SNP MSP says there is a high level of public engagement in nuclear disarmament
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SNP MSP says there is a high level of public engagement in nuclear disarmament

SNP MSP Bill Kidd says there is a high level of public engagement in nuclear disarmament and he welcomes guests to the gallery from a number of organisations including the Jimmy Reid Foundation, Ban the Bomb and CND Scotland.

Mr Kidd says he welcomes the Trident and its Successor report from the Jimmy Reid Foundation.

He says the UN will hold a conference on banning nuclear weapons at a conference in July and 126 nations voted for it, with 38 against and with 16 abstentions.

Mr Kidd says confidence is high there will be an historic decision this July that will validate the points raised in Trident and its Successor.

Trident 'a threat to the majority of Scotland’s population' says SNP MSP

Report
The Jimmy Reid Foundation

Mr Kidd welcomes the recent report by the Jimmy Reid Foundation entitled 'Trident and its Successor Programme' by Mike Danson, Karen Gilmore and Geoff Whittam.

The SNP MSP says that it makes a strong case for non-renewal of Trident based on employment diversification and the moral, philosophical, economic and defence case.

He says UK Government plans to continue at HMNB Faslane and Coulport is a threat to the majority of Scotland’s population.

Trident and its Successor Programme debate begins

SNP MSP Bill Kidd will now lead this evening's member's debate on Trident and its Successor Programme. 

Here is his motion. 

Motion
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BreakingThe government motion on the Jobcentre Plus Network is approved

The government motion on the Jobcentre Plus Network is approved with 91 MSPs for and 30 against.

Motion
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The Tory amendment on the Jobcentre Plus Network is rejected

The Tory amendment on the Jobcentre Plus Network is rejected, with 20 MSPs backing it and 91 against.

Tory amendment
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Decision time

We now move to decision time.

The minister says the reality is the proposed closures will increase sanctions

Mr Hepburn
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Mr Hepburn says he will readily make Scottish government proposals public as Tory amendment calls for.

The employability minister says there has been no consultation from the DWP about their proposals.

He concludes saying he commits to visiting any community affected by these proposals if MSPs invite him to do so.

The minister says the reality is this will increase sanctions and he calls on all MSPs, including Ruth Davidson who may see the loss of a job centre in her constituency, to back the government motion.

'The Tories are looking to cull these specific job centres'

Job centre
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Employability Minister Jamie Hepburn says no one would dispute that any public service organisation should be open to reform.

"The Tories are looking to cull these specific job centres," he says.

Mr Hepburn says the government are committed to listen to proposals and make them public. 

No argument for leaving communities without a job centre says minister

Employability Minister Jamie Hepburn
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Employability Minister Jamie Hepburn

Employability Minister Jamie Hepburn says this has been an opportunity for "most of us" to lay out the concerns about the job centre closure proposals.

Mr Hepburn says he agrees it was sensible that it was sensible for the DWP to review its estate.

He says the leases coming to an end is not an argument for the DWP to close job centres and leave communities.

Green MSP Ross Greer saysin the Scottish Affairs Committee a Tory member has said the DWP should start again with the process.

The Scottish Affairs Committee held a one off session on planned closures to Jobcentre Plus offices in Scotland where Damian Hinds, Minister of State for Employment, was among those giving evidence.

Tory MSP looks forward to the outcome of the consultation exercise

Tory MSP Dean Lockhart
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Tory MSP Dean Lockhart says he looks forward to the outcome of the consultation exercise and a more joined up working relationship between the UK and Scottish governments. 

More than 80% of JSA claims are submitted online

Job centre
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Labour MSP Pauline McNeill says she is genuinely interested in Ms Wells proposals but says a satellite arrangement won't help people sign on every two weeks.

Mr Lockhart says that is where a two way consultation would come in, but these matters can be discussed.

The Tory MSP says the job centre network is under-utilised by up to 40% in some cases.

He says more than 80% of JSA claims are submitted online.

Mr Lockhart says this plan will save the DWP money and it is not just about floor space.