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  1. Second reading for Scotland Bill
  2. Scottish budget cut 'not as bad'
  3. Sturgeon begins visit to New York

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By Paul McLaren, Caroline Henderson and Rebecca Bailey

All times stated are UK

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That's all from us for tonight, but you can follow the end of the debate

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We'll be back from 07:00 tomorrow morning - see you then!

'A cry for fairness'

Conservative MP Alberto Costa is making his maiden speech in the Commons.

The MP for South Leicestershire claims that English votes for English laws is "not a cry for English nationalism, but a cry for fairness".

Kennedy funeral to be held on Friday

The funeral of former Lib Dem leader Charles Kennedy will take place on Friday,

his family has said.

Charles Kennedy outside Westminster

A mass will be held at noon at St John's Roman Catholic Church in Caol, near his Fort William home.

The service will be led by Father Roddy McAuley, who has described Mr Kennedy as "a much loved and respected parishioner".

There is also to be a memorial service at the University of Glasgow on 18 June and another in London at a later date.

'Victim mentality'

Labour MP Kevan Jones takes the floor and alleges Angus Robertson has taken "victim mentality to a new art form".

He adds, "you would think the SNP had been no part of the Smith Commission whatsoever", but he says nothing could be further from the truth.

He continues to say the SNP was part of the Smith Commission and that "they agreed that process" and then said the following morning that it was "nothing to do with them".

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Karen Farmer, 35, told officers that a man had sexually assaulted her while travelling from Glasgow to Blantyre.

She later admitted making the false claim after police reviewed CCTV images showing her and a man, 23, engaged in sexual activity on the train.

At Glasgow Sheriff Court, sentence on Farmer was deferred and bail continued.


The second reading of the Scotland Bill will go on for a while longer. Key speakers, from the Conservatives, Labour and SNP have had their say in the last two hours.

  • Scottish Secretary David Mundell believes the Bill delivers in full the Smith Commission on more devolved powers, adding that his "feet will be put to the fire" on this important legislation.
  • Shadow Scottish Secretary Ian Murray insists what is now needed is the "political will and imagination" to enact a Bill that delivers a fairer Scotland.
  • SNP Westminster leader Angus Robertson tells the chamber there is no doubt that the Bill does not match the vow made during the referendum campaign or "the spirit and letter of the Smith Commission."

For more detailed coverage of what MPs have to say during the Scotland Bill's second reading,

go to our dedicated Westminster Live page.

Bill change 'necessary'

Angus Robertson concludes his remarks by saying the delivery of substantial new powers to the Scottish Parliament has become "the settled will of the Scottish people", and says the people of Scotland "deserve no less."

He says that the SNP wish to see the Bill progress to the Committee stage "so it can be improved", and that he hopes the government will accept that "change is necessary."

Mr Robertson adds: "Westminster is not working for the majority of people in Scotland... and that's why there's such a clamour for a new way of doing things, and for the power in our own hands to make a difference."

He finishes with the words: "Hopefully the government will deliver on the vow, accept the verdict of the electorate, and ensure that this Bill does deliver what the Scottish people require."

Trending on twitter


Nick Eardley

BBC News

#ScotlandBill is trending UK-wide


'Mundell principle'

Angus Robertson calls for what he terms "the Mundell principle" on English votes for English laws to apply to Scotland.

He says this would mean decisions affecting Scotland could be taken only with the majority consent of the MPs from that region of the United Kingdom.

He says that this would have an effect on the passage of the Scotland Bill as well.

Reader reaction on twitter


Ed Wilson: Angus Robertson demanding Scottish Votes for Scottish Laws. #ScotlandBill

Amar Mahmood: Anyone who thinks that the #ScotlandBill or 'full home rule' is going to end the constitutional argument is in for a rude awakening.

Mike Mitchell: The Mundell Principle. Sounds like an episode of The Big Bang Theory. #ScotlandBill

Scotland Bill 'veto clause'

Angus Robertson says the Secretary of State falsely denied that there was a veto clause in the Scotland Bill.

Jacob rees mogg

Mr Robertson points the House towards what he says is the relevant clause.

The Conservative Jacob Rees-Mogg claims that the clause states that agreement from the Secretary of State for Scotland should not be withheld unreasonably, and that a decision could be challenged, so it is not a veto.

Readers reaction on twitter


Chris Bradley: Lots of bluster from the #SNP but clear they are backing away from their commitment to Full Fiscal Autonomy #ScotlandBill

Scott Simpson: Angus Robertson making a fantastic speech currently in the House of Commons. #ScotlandBill #VoteSNP

Matt: Want to help me build that Money Tree the #SNP thinks will vanish away the £16bn deficit? Roots can be bought in England #ScotlandBill

Kate Dearden: FFA= £10 bn black hole in Scotland's finances. That's not standing up for Scotland's interests, that's £10bn of austerity. Maybe why SNP have done a U - turn on FFA? Was all they promised in their manifesto. #ScotlandBill

'People of Scotland have spoken'

Angus Robertson says Ian Murray had the opportunity to outline "any new thinking - any new idea" but that "there was not a peep".

He says that together with their "ongoing cooperation with the Conservative Party", this will consign them to opposition in Scotland for a long time.

He says that the people of Scotland have spoken, and it is clear that they want "more change than that currently on offer in this Bill."

Mr Robertson is now also reading from the Daily Record editorial.

Bill 'does not match Vow'

Mr Robertson is talking about the Vow. He says the Unionist parties "promised the earth - to quote, they promised home rule and as close to federalism as possible".

He says there is no doubt that the Bill does not match the vow during the referendum campaign or "the spirit and letter of the Smith Commission."

Readers reaction on twitter


Melissa Murray: All this debate confirms is the only MPs who seem to actually like the #ScotlandBill are Mundell & Murray.

Richard Williams: Interesting debate on full fiscal responsibility in the #ScotlandBill, where is our #WalesBill though :(

Genghis D'Midgies: What is the difference between FFA and FFR? #ScotlandBill

Peter Freddy Gilbey: Isn't it a bit hypocritical of Angus Robertson criticising Labour & Tory heckling when that's what they do with other parties? #ScotlandBill

SNP accepted referendum result

Angus Robertson insists the SNP accept the result of the referendum.

He says however, that 45% of the Scottish people did vote for independence, and many of those that did not voted "No" on the basis that there would be change.

He says that the "heckling" going on in the Chamber today will prove to the people of Scotland that the Conservative and Labour parties have learned nothing after the referendum and election.

SNP response

The SNP's Angus Robertson now has the floor of the House.

Angus Robertson

Reader reaction on twitter


Kevin O'Donnell: Alex Salmond to Bernard Jenkin "He once stood in Scotland, can I ask how he got on?" Bernard Jenkin MP "I beat the SNP into fourth place".

Man of the People: Salmond receives a belter put down by a posh boy tory from Cambridge hahahaha get it round ye #ScotlandBill

Robert Macintyre: If anybody ever doubted why we needed the #SNP56 listen to Bernard Jenkin MP now in the HoC #ScotlandBill

Gelasius Corbin: It sounds like Jenkin is saying he wants Federalism but in a very long-winded way #ScotlandBill

New Act of Union

Mr Jenkin says the Scottish referendum was "a near-death experience for one of the most successful nation states the world has ever seen."

He says that there needs to be more trust in the debate, and calls for a cross-party forum outside the "hurly burly of daily politics."

He even goes so far as to suggest "a new act of union - a 21st century act of union" that would be ratified by a referendum, to put an end to "instability" over the relationship between Scotland and the Union.

Concluding, he says that unless a "new spirit" around the debate develops, he "fears for the future" of the Union.

Salmond challenge

Alex Salmond

For a sixth time SNP MP Alex Salmond makes an intervention during the debate, this time challenging Conservative MP Bernard Jenkin.

Readers reaction on twitter


Chris Bradley: Strong speech by Ian Murray; debunking #SNP myths about #ScotlandBill and showing how Labour will work to strengthen it

Mark Fleming: Now that Ian Murray has stopped talking hopefully that's the last time I have to hear the word "chunter" #ScotlandBill

jacqui: Nice to see the Labour benches busy for a change, if only to wail "what about meee" #ScotlandBill

'Putting SNP on the spot'

Mr Murray has now finished speaking.

Deputy Speaker Eleanor Laing has now taken over from John Bercow. She says that backbencher speeches must be limited to eight minutes due to time constraints.

Bernard Jenkin

First up is Bernard Jenkin, Conservative MP for Harwich and North Essex. He says that Ian Murray did the House a great service by "putting the SNP on the spot" over Full Fiscal Autonomy.

He reiterates the challenge, saying he will only give way to Alex Salmond if he will state his commitment to the policy.

'Double devolution'

In response to a question from Andrew Gwynne, Mr Murray says he would like to see "double devolution" - devolving more power from Westminster to Holyrood, and then from Holyrood to local councils in Scotland.

He says Holyrood has become one of the "most centralised" administrations in the world.

'Bring amendment'

Mr Murray continues his attack on the SNP.

ian murray

He says the SNP don't really want to talk about full fiscal autonomy.

"The picture is not clear, and the Scottish people deserve an answer on this broken promise," he says.

"They are unclear on the term because they are unclear on the policy," he adds.

He challenges the SNP to bring forward an amendment on the matter.

Full Fiscal Autonomy

Ian Murray says that the SNP seem to be "backpedalling" on full fiscal autonomy.

He says he hopes that the House will be enlightened as to the SNP's position on the matter as the Bill progresses.

BACKGROUND: Road to more devolved powers

What next for the UK?

  • During the election campaign Conservative leader David Cameron pledged to give more powers to Scotland within 100 days of winning.
  • For England, the UK government will change standing orders of the House of Commons - basically the rules that govern the way laws are passed - ensuring that only MPs representing English constituencies could vote on legislation affecting England alone.
  • In Wales, there will be further devolution of powers, including a new reserved powers model to clarify the division of powers between the Welsh Assembly and parliament.
  • There is no big devolved power heading to Northern Ireland.

Salmond intervention

Alex Salmond intervenes again, saying that he has not heard anything new from Ian Murray so far.

He asks whether given Labour's defeat in Scotland at the general election, and given that Labour are currently re-evaluating many other aspects of the party, Mr Murray has anything new to offer.

Pete Wishart also intervenes to back up Mr Salmond. He says he has heard nothing to suggest Labour are doing anything to address their "catastrophic" defeat at the general election.

Mr Murray says that Mr Wishart has not listened to the last 15 minutes of his speech.

'Politics of grievance'

Ian Murray says that Labour will always be the "party of devolution."

He says that Scotland's place in the UK is "simply not enough" at the moment. He adds that the Bill is important because it will strengthen Scotland's place in the Union and sense of solidarity with the rest of the UK.

He says what is now needed is the "political will and imagination" to deliver a fairer Scotland.

Mr Murray takes a shot at the SNP, saying their priority seems to be "the politics of grievance and blame", and that the SNP seem "desperate to be disappointed" before the Bill has even passed.

Via Twitter


Eunis Jassemi: Great to see we have high quality #SNP MPs representing Scotland. #SNPfail #ScotlandBill

Twitter screengrab

Robbie: Ian Murray says nothing of substance different than Mundell. Except SNPBAD. #ScotlandBill

Mark Coburn: David Mundell having a nightmare even in responding to MPs from other parties, outwith the SNP. #ScotlandBill #UnionUndoing

Shadow Secretary of State for Scotland

Ian Murray

Ian Murray, the shadow Secretary of State for Scotland, takes to the dispatch box now.

He starts his speech by congratulating the Speaker and Mr Mundell on their re-election, and the SNP on their general election victory.

He also pays tribute to his predecessor, Margaret Curran, who lost her seat.

Mr Murray says that he and Mr Mundell have something in common - that they were easy choices for their respective jobs, a reference to them both being their party's only MPs in Scotland.

'Castro-esque' speech


Nick Eardley

BBC News

Labour's Ian Murray describes David Mundell's speech on Scotland Bill as "Castro-esque". Presumably in length rather than content.

New powers

Concluding, Mr Mundell says a no vote for a referendum was not a vote for no change.

He says the challenge now is for the Scottish government "needs to set out what it will do with its new powers." He says it is time to "stop acting and start doing."

Have your say on Scotland Bill

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submit your views on the UK Government's Scotland Bill to Devolution (Further Powers) Committee, until 14 August 2015.

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Who will pick up the bill?

In response to a question about who will pick up the bill if the Scottish Parliament overspends, Mr Mundell replies that it is the Scottish taxpayer who will pay.

'Final say' on welfare

In response to a question from Labour's Seema Malhotra, Mr Mundell says that it is fair to say the Scottish Parliament will have the "final say" on welfare.

He says that although welfare benefits will be set at Westminster, the Scottish Parliament will have the option to "top them up."

An SNP MP asks if this suggests that benefits are inadequate, if they need to be topped up.

Mr Mundell replies that this it is "about being responsible".

Prompt-sheet rumour

The SNP's Alex Salmond says there is a "rumour" going around that the Conservative members have been given a prompt sheet on questions to ask Mr Mundell.


Speaker Bercow tells Mr Salmond that he always enjoys his dramatic performances in the Chamber, but that there would be nothing disorderly about it even if the rumour were true.

Impact on north England

Labour MP Andrew Gwynne asks about the impacts on the Scotland Bill changes on the rest of the UK. He singles out Air Passenger Duty (APD) and the effect this might have on regional airports in the north of England.

Andrew Gwynne

He says issues like these are why a constitutional convention is needed.

Mr Mundell says that other members have raised APD as an issue, and that the Treasury has established a group to consider the matter.

Reader reaction on twitter


Kitty: Here Alex Salmond goes again. Cut down by Bercow. Try asking something constructive for the benefit of your constituents #ScotlandBill

Adam W: #ScotlandBill is the #Tories all over. Promise the earth & expect you to be grateful when they deliver a fraction of it. So predictable.

Mr Malky: Can you go 5 years of this? Me neither #ScotlandBill

Tax-raising powers

David Mundell says that the devolution of income tax, the allocation of half of VAT revenues raised in Scotland, and the devolution of Air Passenger Duty, mean that Holyrood will have "vitally important decisions" to make.

He says that these powers will mean Holyrood will go from raising 10% of what it spends to 50%, and that this will make it one of the "most powerful devolved legislatures" in the world.

SNP MPs: Tweeting from the chamber


SNP MP Owen Thompson tweets: Mundell pledging to appease Daily Record readers was baffling and awkward, equally. Perhaps try the word electorate next time? #FYI


Natalie McGarry, SNP MP for Glasgow tweets: Being debated in the chamber is the second reading of the Scotland Bill. Mundell isn't absolutely clear on much.

She continues: Fundamental misunderstanding on the Tory benches about the extent of powers offered.