For most of Leo's ten years he's lived as a girl, now he feels that's not quite right.
Leo is ten years old. For most of his life he's lived as a girl, but this summer he began to speak openly about his sense that that gender identity was wrong.
With research help for his parents, he's decided he is non-binary - he feels both masculine and feminine - though for the moment he dresses as a boy, has taken a male name and is called "he". Leo and his mum shared their story with the BBC Radio 4 programme iPM, presenter Jennifer Tracey went to meet them...
You can hear more of that interview - with Leo discussing beards, breasts and much else beside on iPM, or you can download the iPM podcast from the website.
16 Sep 2016