World Cup 2006 Blog

From our reporters in Germany

You dive me crazy

paul_armstrong_55x55.gifWe’ve had complaints from one or two quarters claiming that our coverage of Wednesday’s semi was influenced by sour grapes towards Portugal for having beaten England.

If that was the case, we’d be permanently sour during the latter stages of every tournament. There was no antipathy from us towards Brazil in 2002, nor Portugal in 2000 or 2004 for that matter.

Our pundits and production team first took issue with Portugal in this tournament following that horrible game with Holland, several days prior to the Rooney/Ronaldo shenanigans...

Admittedly, the Dutch were also to blame, but that game was disgraceful by any standards, and Portugal have not exactly brightened up the knockout stages of this tournament.

As I’ve said before, our team in Gelsenkirchen accepted that Rooney deserved his red card, but didn’t like Ronaldo’s overtures to the referee, nor the wink that followed.

Last night, our co-commentator was an ex-Republic of Ireland player, and two of the panel are from Scotland and Northern Ireland. They all disliked Portugal’s gamesmanship.

Quite why any of them would be harbouring grudges on behalf of England is anyone’s guess.

I think they were absolutely entitled to be unhappy with what they saw. We were all surprised and disappointed to see a coach like Scolari, for whom all of our team has the greatest respect, appealing in desperation for a succession of non-existent free-kicks and penalties.

As I’ve said before, English football is not spotlessly clean, but we are not used to a concerted campaign of attempted deception of the kind we saw in this match.

Had we not picked out the succession of increasingly ridiculous dives from Portugal which littered the match, we would have been accused of pulling our punches, allowing a bad example to be set to youngsters, and so on.

It was entirely immaterial that the team concerned were Portugal, and that they’d previously beaten England.

Anyone who saw Match of the Day’s coverage of the diving debate which surrounded Didier Drogba following Chelsea v Manchester City last season will know that he was challenged in our post-match interview, and that his actions were rigorously analysed by our team.

Similarly, when Shaun Wright-Phillips went down too easily in an FA Cup-tie against Newcastle, we gave up much of the following night’s live half-time at Charlton to analysis and reaction on the subject.

The fact that he was English, and the son of one of our pundits, was not a consideration.

Anyway, we’re now planning this weekend’s Football Focus, 3rd place game and Final.

It’s an incredible privilege to be working out here: I'm writing this on Thursday, my 33rd day away - and some have been here longer. But we’re aware of the need for one final push, particularly since Sunday is the only time we’ll go head-to-head with ITV.

We’ll both be doing the best we can in the spirit of healthy competition, but as ever we’ll be in the hands of the host director when it comes to match coverage.

For all of our sakes, we hope it’s not the guy who covered France v Portugal! There were close-ups while the ball was still in play, and absurdly long and irrelevant slow-motion replays at inappropriate moments.

It is all subjective, but we tend to worry when play is clearly in progress but we’re stlll looking at a replay of an earlier incident.

Fresh in our memories is the Euro 2004 semi-final where Maniche’s stunning goal for Portugal following a quickly-taken corner was entirely missed in live coverage. The director was still running in a replay of how the corner was won when the goal was scored.

I’m reluctant to fuel any further accusations of sour grapes by pointing out that the director concerned was Portuguese…

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  • 1.
  • At 11:03 PM on 06 Jul 2006,
  • Lindsay Grant wrote:

Motson's comment re. Carvhalio last night smacked of sour grapes. What did he ever do wrong, save for getting his 'tomatoes' in the way of Rooney's raking studs!?

Yes Ronaldo's behaviour wasn't the best (but he never ever waved a card at the ref, which has been widely mis-reported in the press) but to have a pop at Carvhalio was totally out of order and sums up Motson's World Cup...poor and out of touch. It's time for the Gold Plated Sheepskin to be issued and for him to retire gracefully

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  • 2.
  • At 11:14 PM on 06 Jul 2006,
  • Eduardo wrote:

It's very funny to see how English people to think they own moral and should alone decide what's good and what's bad.
Fact1 - In the game Portugal - Holland, Portugal comitted 9 faults for wich received 11 cards (it's true you can confirm it). There 4 players sent off in a game that was no more violent than Italy- Germany or even Portugal-England, it was just a piece of very bad refereeing. Ronaldo got injured with a violent and criminal tackle by a dutch player who was not expelef for it.
Fact2 - In the game Portugal - England, witch the referee got himself rewarded with the world cup final (wasn't such a bad job afterall??), Portugal won fairly. What Rooney did is worthy of an animal, when a player in Portugal is violent against a fellow player he tougthly recriminated for it, in England the one who gets recriminated is the player that tries to defend his teammate.
You lost and got bitter, 3 times in a row hurts, i feel the same about the France.

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  • 3.
  • At 11:30 PM on 06 Jul 2006,
  • belfegore wrote:

Let's face it, you are being so heavily scrutinised because people expect nothing but the best from the BBC - worldwide.

However, seeing Shearer demanding physical retribution, in the BBC studio, of all places, was a bit sickening. Especially if you think that he will probably be involved in coaching England in the future.

What we would like to see instead is Shearer using his influence to stop the diving and hair-pulling in the England team. Now, that would be a refreshing and positive attitude.

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  • 4.
  • At 11:45 PM on 06 Jul 2006,
  • James wrote:

Can the BBC bring back Saint and Greavsie and the current lot were even more insipid and patronising than they were.

Nice backdrop but an opportunity lost for the pundits to build the story and set the scene for the whole tournament..I would imagine Shearer and "Wrighty" are on 10 year contracts and get their own Saturday gameshow by now anyway or a comedy crisp ad

Hansen "for me Argentina, Brazil or England"...no argument about it-and it would seem that decent comment about the 4 semi finallists were beneath them-us mere mortals have never seen a match in our lives of course


Well done to the BBC for blowing a month of prime time telly and looking forward to a series of "Stick one on Shearer"

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  • 5.
  • At 11:58 PM on 06 Jul 2006,
  • OmegaSupreme wrote:

Eduardo, you deal in stereotypes my friend. I would recommend you look on the world with fresh eyes.

You know as well as anyone else that diving is not artistry and the power and pace of the English game is not hooliganism. We're both out, we both suck, get over it mate.

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  • 6.
  • At 12:05 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Ulrike wrote:

Fine headline. That's what i like most at the British -their sense of humor!

If the BBC coverage was being imparcial (for what I've read here, thanks good I had other options besides BBC) then I must say that the the one made by TF1 (a french channel) was pro-portuguese,in comparision.

You must be kidding!!!

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  • 7.
  • At 12:27 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Ulrike wrote:

If you're coverage was unbiased (for what I have read in here)then I'm forced to say that the french one (TF1) was pro-Portuguese. It is funny, isn't it?

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  • 8.
  • At 12:34 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Rita Simoes wrote:

There you go again. Ronaldo and his winking. Ronaldo and his diving. Ronaldo and his betrayal to Rooney (poor Rooney!). Who cares if R. Carvalho got hurt as a result of a despicable attitude of an English player? Who cares if Ronaldo is one of the most talented players in the world, if he dives? (as if he were the only one doing this)

Then also the match POR:NED, in which the Portuguese players did awful things. Who cares about the number of fouls Portugal effectively commited? The important it to give away to people the idea of the 9 yellow cards and the 2 red ones the players received. That atypical (mainly due to the referee) match, in the eyes of the media, was perfect to draw the audience's attention to the negative aspects (which exist in EVERY single team of the world) of the Portuguese squad, with which England would be playing some days later.

The request to FIFA for Figo being suspended was a really low-level attitude. He was well punished in the pitch. Should have he had the red card? Probably. As should the Dutch that attacked C. Ronaldo. And what did England have to do with that? NOTHING! Unfortunately for them, they didn't manage to make Figo stay out of the pitch - too bad.

The comments BBC made on the match POR:ENG are a joke. Alan Shearer, who was undoubtedly a great striker which I admired, said awful and shocking things. Shame on him and on BBC for allowing that kind of bias.

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  • 9.
  • At 12:43 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Jose wrote:

For years I've admired Gary Lineker and have always looked to the BBC as the source of fair reporting. Over the last few days (since Saturday afternoon) I've become totally disillusioned with both the BBC and Gary Lineker - as for Alan Shearer you might as well give him a baseball bat and let him do the talking with that, because that's obviously the way he likes to handle things.

To make such a fuss over Rooney's dismissal and blame both Ricardo Carvalho and Ronaldo for the incident is totally pathetic. I don't necessarily think what Rooney did was intentional and I think he is a brilliant and gifted player. However, if a Portuguese player had ended up with his boot in the crotch of an English player lying on the floor I'm pretty sure that several English players would have immediately ran up and complained to the referee. What exactly did Ronaldo do wrong? Surely the only person that can be blamed for Rooney's dismissal is Rooney himself. Full stop.

In almost every sentence that Gary Lineker has uttered to do with Portugal since Saturday he's included "the antics of the Portuguese". There is no justification for this. The Portuguese were no worse in looking for free kicks than 95% of the rest of the teams. As for the match with Holland, the Dutch received as many yellows and reds - it was purely the attitude of the referee that caused such a barrage of cards.

I think the BBC should seriously consider appologising, if not for their coverage of the last two matches involving Portugal, then for the comments made by Alan Shearer following the England defeat. He was inciting violence against Ronaldo in no uncertain terms. Someone broadcasting to millions of people at such a crucial time should be much more responsible in what they say. I can't actually believe that the BBC had him back on for the semi-final match between Portugal and France.

Ronaldo played a fantastic game against France, despite the boos from the crowd. His skill, energy and determination were far in excess of anything that England were able to produce in this world cup. Despite this, the constant focus from the BBC pundits was back to how he "got Rooney sent off". On Wednesday evening the BBC were meant to be reporting on the Portugal v France match not the Portugal v England match. At the end of the match I turned the sound to mute and just watched the Portuguese and French players exchanging shirts, handshakes and hugs.

This is the first time that I have ever been driven to write to something like this.

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  • 10.
  • At 12:53 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • eduardo wrote:

OmegaSupreme!
From what I’ve heard from your side and your approach to the ronaldo-rooney scene, It turns out that stereotypes are more accurate than ever. It’s a completely different perspective, you focus on the dramatics (witch exist and is a bad thing) and forget the violence (witch is much worser). That’s why I say I prefer the artist (art is not all about good things, it’s by nature full of trickery) than the holligan. We suck, but I still prefer to suck in our own way. At least we share one good thing, we aren’t Spanish!!

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  • 11.
  • At 12:59 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Miguel T. Pinto wrote:

I think its interesting that towards the end of the Eng - Ecuador match, Paul Robinson going down at the end of the game for a couple of minutes was seen by Lawro as 'thats very cute, very clever, just give his team mates time to get some water and some rest'...or in other words, TIME WASTING/DIVING. They didnt even discuss wether robinson was injured or not, they just assumed he was being 'clever'... I know what they would've said if it had been a player from any other team, especially if Ricardo did it against France.

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  • 12.
  • At 01:01 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Rob Long wrote:

I thought John Motson's snipe towards the end about Scolari's substitutions ("not much of a genius now" or words to that effect) showed a lack of grace.

Likewise, Alan Shearer's sneers at the penalty technique of the excellent Ricardo, and his not being able to save Zidane's spot-kick.

Shearer's contributions throughout the tournament have been thoroughly dismal. If only Martin O'Neill had been given his seat last Saturday, and been allowed to make a constructive contribution regarding England's exit, rather than Shearer's idiotic suggestion that Rooney should punch Ronaldo.

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  • 13.
  • At 01:19 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Jane wrote:

Through no fault of their own my children find themselves born and bred in England with a Portuguese father. The World Cup and Euro competitions have become times of extreme mixes of emotion for us. The hype begins long before the competition and we are subjected to constant questioning as to which country we will be supporting. That alone is not surprising but what is surprising is the reason for the asking. A few people are magnaminous, intelligent, compassionate enough, call it what you will, to wish those of us who do support Portugal good luck but the majority become hostile and clearly irritated by our presence. This is all evident long before the first game is played, long before any wins or defeats or questions of gamesmanship. Whereas some of us are more than comfortable with wishing our opponent a good tournament, others will refuse to entertain this idea preferring cheap jibes and something along the lines of “lets see if you’re still smiling after the game…”
We are a decent family with five children, non of whom get into trouble at school who are constantly commended on good behaviour and who consistently obtain above average grades. They all have wide circles of friends. However, following both Euro 2004 and so far during the World Cup some of my children have had to have days off from school because of the incessant hounding following any games that have involved Portugal playing. It doesn’t matter if Portugal win or lose, children and in some cases teachers have been quick to repeat what they have heard the commentators say. Rarely do you hear a first hand account of any match action. This is what dismays me the most that young children are not surprisingly so influenced by accounts of incidents by commentators and press and yet the likes of the bbc do not seem to grasp the responsibility this puts on them.
Unless viewers watch with the sound switched off they are going to be highly influenced by anything that is being spoken over or around a game. This is not rocket science so why don’t those commentators, especially those highly respected because of the fact that they represent the bbc, take that responsibility seriously. To sit down excitedly to watch the quarter final and witness within the first few minutes Figo being booed by the predominantly England supporting crowd as he read a statement on anti-racism when Beckham had been given the courtesy to read the same statement uninterrupted, to hear no comment on this fact during or since by any English media is at best ignorant at worst malicious. Whatever Ronaldo has or hasn’t done he does not deserve the horrendous treatment that he has been subjected to. For heavens sake he’s a human being. Most of the people booing so vehemently, whatever their nationality, would not treat their enemies in everyday life with as much contempt or hound them with such dogged determination. The trouble is if the commentators let this be broadcast without encouraging any debate on whether it is right or wrong for a fellow human being to be treated with so little respect that is the message they put out to children and adults alike as being acceptable.
Whatever a person has done subjecting them to punishment without a fair trial is wrong and not the way for a civilised society to behave. At school today my 11 year old daughter was in a class that had to divide themselves into teams and give themselves a name. One team announced to the teacher that they wanted to be called the “We Hate Ronaldo” team. The teacher allowed this saying “So do I”. I can’t really bare to think how my daughter must have felt at that moment and as I said before this is only one of many constant remarks that we have endured as a family during what could be such a fantastic time of respect and admiration for skill and gamesmanship whether it’s the kind we’re used to not. Of course there will be bad play, foul play but if we can not comment on this with an unbiased well informed, humane attitutude then sadly football and it’s commentating becomes the propagator of much worse misdemeanors. Grow up and think about what you’re teaching the kids about the game and life in general.

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  • 14.
  • At 01:23 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • James wrote:

I wonder how many people with digital television are using the "no commentary" option?

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  • 15.
  • At 01:36 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Marius wrote:

Dear BBC Team,

since I am german and live in Germany I cannot see BBC. However, the quots from your commentators (Shearer and Lineker) I read through out the homepage and the blogs somehow give me the impression they are not totally objective or that they won't like to tell the viewers how things are in order to maintain their publicity.

I always thought the BBC is very objective, but apperently isn't when things come to football. Or let's be fair, the mentioned people are not objective. I agree that both of them have the right to state their personal point of view, but if things are getting too harsh the resonsibles of the BBC should interfere.

I saw the video clip on the web, where Ronaldos' actions in the ENG-POR were analysed by Shearer et. al. after Rooneys foul against Carvalho. There I heard a comment like "English players don't do this" (or similar)...well, what was with Crouch? He pulled the hair of the T&T defender before 1st goal. What about Owen's dive against Argentina in 2002? I agree that diving is less common in England, but your are not free from it. Maybe Shearer never dived, and Lineker may have been a fair player, but that doesn't give them the right to give the impression english football is clean from dives or antics. BTW I think some of your players WERE antic at the WC (if the word has the meaning I think it has...). Like Beckham and Lampard.

So may I suggest the BBC to hire more retired, english speaking, NON english players as a experts next time? Like Beckenbauer, Cantona, Platini, maybe you get Klinsmann, Schmeichel or someone like that. Could be interesting to hear unbiased thoughts about others or the english team, couldn't it?

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  • 16.
  • At 01:55 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Terry wrote:

No antipathy against Portugal in 2004? Portuguese pubs were attacked. I will give you no antipathy to Brasil in 2002 but then lately english press has been too busy kissing Nike-Brazil feet, somehow losing to Brazil is acceptable because you made them to be superhuman anyway.

Take a good look at the "funny" comments on your daq game. Take a good look at your implicit thrill in being able to report the gutter tabloid´s excesses condemning the form but approving the spirit or not confirming the damning details. Racism is not just disgusting noises and abbuse being screamed at black skinned players, you might want to keep that in mind.

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  • 17.
  • At 02:43 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Cardew Vascular wrote:

Cheating should always be pointed out and criticized so matter who is doing it. The Portugal team was disgraceful in the match against France and deserved all the criticism they got.

Diving is cheating and needs to be stamped out, not overlooked.

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  • 18.
  • At 02:43 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • BlueDragon wrote:

To the BBC (and Paul Armstrong, for the matter):

this WC coverage was the most sad and unfortunate piece of so-called "journalism" I have ever seen or heard.
The words you guys put out here generated totally unacceptable anger and rage against the Portuguese and the Portuguese team.
I'm not going to go over the WC details like diving, cheating, Mr. Shearer, and so on. Enough as been said and those who actually have functioning brain cells can come up with their one opinioin on this issue. Just two things left to say:

1. nobody has stated here or in the 606 when did Portugal win BECAUSE of cheating and diving. Mayb the all-mighty illuminated Mr. Paul Armstrong can shed some light on this issue.

2. Some people only see one side of the story. Being the BBC an agency with international representation and worlwide impact, it's your moral and professional duty to provide CLEAN and FAIR information, no matter what. No other press agency or small newspaper in the world could come up with such rubbish as I've seen in the BBC for the last couple of weeks. Shame on you.

Having said this, the BBC bookmark will be deleted from my computer as of today, and the word will be spread among all my acquaintances.
What a shame...

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  • 19.
  • At 02:57 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • BlueDragon wrote:

Dear Cardew Vascular:

The Portuguese team in the game with France was as disgraceful as any other team would've been, including France in that same game!
Our so-called "diving" gave us press-driven criticism that got completely out of proportion. France's so-called diving gave them a penalty that didn't exist, a win, and a final in Berlin. So, BE FAIR WHEN YOU COMMENT ON THIS MATTER!!!

Enough said.

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  • 20.
  • At 03:09 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Cardew Vascular wrote:

Dear BlueDragon:

While Thierry Henry's fall was exagerated it was not a blatant dive. It was pointed out that it was exagerated but Carvalho caught his leg I'm afraid. The Portugal players on the other hand were diving without even being touched and they were doing it frequently, I don't recall any blatant diving by the France team.

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  • 21.
  • At 03:38 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Sandra wrote:

Jealously is an ugly thing,
wake up England!


I have during a few occasions witnessed the English football "fans" more known as Hooligans in their behavior towards the opposing teams.
To be called Hooligans world wide is not a title you would like to have on your shoulders as a supporter.
Instead of understanding the true reasons why the English team have not been able to come far, mainly because their opposing teams were better (for example Portugal) the hooligans desperately looks for scapegoats.
When there isn't anything beautiful to remember from a game the concentration goes on towards the referees miss judging a situation, number of yellow cards given, dives and so on. Last game, Christiano Ronaldo became England’s Scapegoat. Why the jealousy? Is it because he has everything Rooney hasn't, I'm not just talking about his gorgeous smile, but you all know that this guy runs faster than anyone in your so beloved English troop, he uses techniques that Svennis doesn’t know how to name. So cut it off hooligans, with all your excuses, complaining and boo's, and grow up for God Sakes. A good start could be to outline the reality in an objective manner in various media like BBC!
I would like to see some changes, because the rest of the more mature supporters world wide would like to watch Football as it should be, innovative and elegant!

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  • 22.
  • At 03:51 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • roberto wrote:

In response to an earlier post from marius......Gary Likeker used to dive many times and they even laughed about it being funny at the beginning of the show recently, Alan shearer was no angel and though not blatently a diver he would always use his "strength" to back into defenders and then when they moved away would fall on the floor to win a free kick. Still cheating i believe. I seem to remember the odd elbow too and one particularily vicious kick on another players head. However they got away with stuff as they were england sno 1s, unlike beckham who was very "new" when he made his mistake against argentina in 98.

The thing i hate the most is Crouchs blatant cheating by pulling another players hair so that he could beat him to the ball, the pundits just though it was funny and thought he should get his hair cut. Without that goal England probably wouldnt have got out of the gruop, but its ok as he is english

If an English player goes in for a hard tackle, he is showing british bulldog spirit, but if a foreigner does the same tackle it is a cynical bookable offence. The English need to take off their rose tinted glasses and try to see every game as a neutral

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Well I for one can't wait to see the third place playoff game. One final look at Portugal diving around the pitch.

OK,OK! I just said that because that's what blogs are for... I didn't really mean it. Without all the diving/red card controversy we would have nothing to talk about. Rooney being sent off was probably in Svens plan to take the heat off his departure and get the fingers pointing elsewhere!

Good job France for making it to the final, Italy to win of course.

Fantastic coverage from the BBC of the world cup so far, especailly Ian Wright's comments about cr*pping himself - Classic!

[Joe Cole for goal of the tournament]

James.

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  • 24.
  • At 04:14 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • kuca wrote:

I just think in facts portugal won england in euro 1996, euro 2000, euro 2004 and world cup 2004. if u add to the fact that no english palyer or even palying in the premiership ever won the FIFA best player award you will realize what the intections of Henry and Cristiano Ronaldo are.

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  • 25.
  • At 05:29 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • zed wrote:

yep typical whinging....always someone to blame when you lose in ANY sport. Instead of picking on Rooney you have ganged up on Ronaldo. He is ten times a better player than the thug Rooney. You blamed Beckham last time, whose turn will it be in 2010?

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  • 26.
  • At 08:22 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Ike wrote:

I think the Pro-Portugal/Ronaldo posts on here are overlooking some crucial points

- Rooney and Ronaldo both play at the same club, its in poor taste to try to get someone you know personally (a friend even?) sent off and then revel in it. Actually, its pretty awful.

- The Portuguese behaved shamefully in the game against France ... a lot of their players went down at every opportunity and it really ruined the game for me as a neutral. Its not "beautiful" to dive, its ugly and its cheating, sorry.

- Let us not forget the poor taste Scolari showed in refusing to give the customary 10-15 minutes of interviews in English ... thereby pissing off the rest of the world that don't speak Portuguese.

- With all that gamesmanship from both coach and players, you can hardly expect the neutrals (let alone the English) to have backed Portugal to win. I thought the booing was funny and a bit deserved really, but I also thought Ronaldo handled it well.

- Am I the only one who noticed that the English didn't boo the entire Portuguese team? ... they booed just Ronaldo.

On the Flip Side

- The booing got to be a bit much after a while

- Rooney was a real idiot and deserved to be sent off.

- It just idiotic to think a red blooded English fan will be neutral when it comes to soccer that some how involves England (to any degree).

- The English are just doing what humans beings do all the time ... applying "moral relativity" ...
So When its us, its "running out the clock" when its them ... its "time wasting". You can't hold it against them. We're human and we all engage in it at one point in time or another.


In closing ... I'd like to ask on behalf of the rest of the world, that the English and Portuguese both shut up and let us watch the World cup final in peace.
Italy and France are in the final, lets give them the respect they deserve eh?

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  • 27.
  • At 09:22 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Jon wrote:

Absolutely agree with post 34. Ike.

Thats it, the arguments laid out as they should be and fairly as well.

My only problem now is that fans from both countries are too blockheaded and too stubborn to relax their views and come to a compromise.

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  • 28.
  • At 09:36 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Nosports wrote:

Hi,
OK, the BBC coverage is not impartial. You will never get this from an English broadcast - and from a German, Italian, Spanish,... oh, and Portuguese, too. Shearers remark was way out of line and he shoud be dropped, till he has fineshed puberty - and Rooney can go right along.
BUT, can some of the Portuguese Fans, Players and Managers please try to get over their infiriority complex.
What happened during the match against France between the 60th and the 75th minute was pathetic. When one of your players went out injured, you were complaining for foul, card and what else. The BBC showed it from nearly every angle and if there was a contact - I haven't seen one- it was definitely not a foul. The next thing was the Dying Swan in the box at about 72 minutes. That was not merely diving, that was a disgrace.
Nobody is against you or doesn't support you, because you are a "small country" - rediculous! Play the football we all know you are capable of and don't get blown over, when somebody is closing a door 5km away from the stadium.
I hope that Portugal will play as well as Italy against Germany to finish this tournament properly.

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  • 29.
  • At 09:41 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • John wrote:

Paul

The problem isn't so much that your team criticised the Portuguese, but that they are so blinkered they still think England would have won the WC but for a bit of bad luck, some gamesmanship and a Swedish manager. Hence we get Shearer saying, words to the effect that, very few of players from the semi-finalists would dislodge any of the England players from the team - what nonsense! How many England players do you see in a Team of the tournament? They're not bad players, but they're not the best in the tournament and they often played badly. That's got a lot to do with why England aren't in the final, just as the formation and the tactics do. This is why your panellists have attracted so much criticism at this World Cup.

Please realise also that when you and your commentators go on, as you do at just bout any foreign event, about how the host broadcaster is rubbish and it would be better if the BBC were providing the pictures because we're the greatest broadcaster in the world, you sound just as xenophobic and arrogant as your panellists do. (And to answer your question, though I thought you'd have known given that you're out there, the match director for the final is a German, whereas the guy who did your semi-final was a Frenchman - he's also doing your Sat night game. You'd have been much happier with ITV's Tuesday game - the director was an Englishman.)

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  • 30.
  • At 09:41 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Nick wrote:

Is this a competition to see who can be the most hypocritical ?

The English fans about "Portugese antics" obviously do not see the English players diving - they do, all the time.

The Portugese fans who talk about "artistry" do not have to watch Carvaliho every week. Figo's headbutt ?
Was that art ?

Blame managers and officials who allow cheating to go unpunished. Any professional sportsman in any sport will push the laws to the absolute limit.

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  • 31.
  • At 09:47 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • George wrote:

In support of Janes comment (#16): Having lived in the UK for the past six years and after a fair range of first hand experiences of encounters fuelled by british media 'Hate' campaigns in one way or the other, I would like to stress the difficulties especially youngsters have to go through in this public opinion frenzy.

And let's face it - there is not much more one can do but to critisise those resposible (very politely) and to put on a brave face yourself.
To all those British who care and the British media (which supposedly cares) - as long as you don't show the minimum respect towards your opponents on and off the pitch you will never win anything - because in order to get to the top you have to learn from those who are currently better than you - and learning starts with respect!

And I as a employer of British am genuinely tired of this very British inferiority complex ("we never win anything") combated by utterly inflated patriotism bordering on nationalism (It's always the others who are responsible that it did not work out - wherever they come from).

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  • 32.
  • At 09:51 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • kate h. wrote:

I think England (footballers, fans, media) needs to go and see a shrink!

From my limited experience of these things, it seems they suffer from a combination of v. low self esteem, and unfounded sense of superiority. So...if we just look at the common symptoms of low self esteem maybe we recognise some recurring themes;-)

Low self esteem, a cause and symptom of depression, anxiety and anger problems.

Low self esteem, a rope that binds; preventing us pursuing our dreams and enjoying simple things that ‘other people enjoy'.

Supposedly, if you are ‘full of yourself' you have little space for anything or anyone else.

However, real self-esteem is not arrogance or self-love or vanity.

Real self-esteem consists of:

# An appreciation of what we can do.


# An honest respect for our own abilities, potentials and value.


# Knowing our strengths and trusting in them.


# An appreciation and open acceptance of our limitations.


# An acceptance of these limitations whilst understanding that some limitations can be overcome.

# An abiltiy not to feel threatened by others successes

hmm...

And as a by the by - I'm just waiting for T&T to start a witchhunt on Crouch - for the hair pulling that put them out of the World Cup - some how I don't think that will happen.

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  • 33.
  • At 10:08 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Eilert Ottem wrote:

Being Norwegian, and not having access to BBCs coverage of the World Cup, I can't say much about that. I WILL, however, say something about Portuguese footballing antics. Wonderfully talented players, who tend to play a lovely passing game in midfield, but freeze up and/or run out of ideas whenever they get near the 18 yard box, they have ALWAYS tried to compensate for this by thespian histrionics that would be more appropriate in a Mexican soap, or maybe in "The Fast Show." Portugal is not the only country who have been combining fantastic footballing skills with terrible acting skills, but they HAVE been the worst, and they've been so ungenerous both in victory and defeat. I remember Euro 2000, when more or less all Portuguese players were involved in so much violent conduct, that I believ 6 players (and there should have been more) got sever bans. However, Portugal were still allowed to go ahead with hosting Euro 2004.
Now, Rooney's stamp on Carvalho (who himself can be quite nasty at times, but that's beside the point!) was clearly deliberate, and the sooner both he and the English FA own up to it, the quicker they may regain some respect. It must be pointed out that if the ref had called the serial fouls committed by Carvalho, the Portugues might not have been able to reach their objective of ruining Rooney's game, or better, get him sent off. Red card? Yes! Good refereeing? NO! Just like Deco's red card, really. once you commit a foul like that, it's a straight red card (and he only got a second yellow), but I think everybody agrees that Mr Ivanov got the Holland vs Portugal mtch horribly abd completely wrong!

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  • 34.
  • At 10:11 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Lawrence wrote:

A admirable defence of your players Paul, but I and it seems most people replying to this post still think you are wrong. Maybe time to take it on the chin? Whatever you might think about the Portuguese or Swedish managers or bad refereeing, let's face it MoTD is looking tired, dull and self-congratulatory. A bit like England really.

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  • 35.
  • At 10:14 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Gaz wrote:

Speaking of the media, Wayne Rooney's comments about viewing his red card footage reminded me of serial killer Ted Bundy's statement to the press: "Now, more than ever, I am convinced of my innocence."

I'm amazed to still read intelligent sports journalists defending Rooney in today's broadsheets. Talk about seeing only what you want to see.

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  • 36.
  • At 10:16 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Silva wrote:

I have to say that I agree Portuguese players did dive. Having said that we did not do it more often than most teams and certainly did not win a match on that account (like Italy for instance).
I can understand the frustation English feel at this time (specially when it comes to Portuguese: sent out of European and World championships, having to put up with Mourinho and so on). Lets look at facts:
1. English team is average. Some of the so called "stars" (Beckham being the top example) are marketing creations and really their qualities on the pitch do not live up to their endorsement and advertising abilities.
2. With the exception of center forward/stricker position Portugal has a better team and better players than England.
3.England team has no real top class players (the exception being Gerrard who I believe is by far the best english player). Rooney has talent but definetely no class.
4. The Holland match: all started with a brutal tackle on Ronaldo that shoud have resulted in a red. From that moment onwards it was open season!!! Portugal was as nervous and emotional as Holland and as any other team would have been. By the way the ugliest thing on that match (the lack of fair-play) came from the dutch team.

Final word: take you defeat as men and prepare for more as next season another Portuguese will show all of you how to lead a team to victory in the Premiership (3 out 3)and in the Champions League. Go Mourinho!!!

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  • 37.
  • At 10:17 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Philipp Trempenau (Berlin, Germany) wrote:

@English Fans

Watch out, you guys should be very careful with screaming for television replays for referees. If that had been used in this WC, you might have been out of the tournament after the groupstage. Remember Crouch against T&T ?
This is not meant to be a provocation. And yes, there are less antics in English football. But PLEASE don't act like you own the real game. You might have the best league in the world. But your national team didn't fullfill the expectations. And now it's awful to draw the attention to other things. Is there even a REAL and Serious discussion in Britain why your national team sucked ? Or is it only about, C. Ronaldo, diving, antics and WAGS ?!?!

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  • 38.
  • At 10:24 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Philipp Trempenau (Berlin, Germany) wrote:

Oh, and by the way. Check this out https://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=373449&cc=5739

This shows that we Germans also don't sympathize with foul play.....Just to make sure :- )

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  • 39.
  • At 10:28 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • CTV wrote:

The original article attempts to take credit for Mark Lawrenson being neutral because he used to play for the Republic of Ireland.

Rubbish.

The fact that he used to play for Ireland when he couldn't get a game for England does not change the fact that he is English, lives in England, and plainly supports England. On more than one occasion in this tournament he has slipped by referring to 'we' when commentating on England matches. If I was Irish I wouldn't be best pleased.

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  • 40.
  • At 10:29 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Steve Hawkins wrote:

Who is the 'artist'above talking abiut artists! Ha ha ha. Football is a contact sport, a man's game, NOT the pathetic, diving CHEATING games we have seen in this Worold Cup.

True, England are not the most technically gifted team. No-one here denies that, we all know we were not good enough to win the competition.

But we have grown sick of the blatant acting/diving - call it CHEATING because it is - and I hope FIFA act to stop it!

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  • 41.
  • At 10:33 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Malcolm wrote:

Defending the indefensible puts the BBC in a very poor light. BBC commentators and pundits have acted disgracefully in painting Portugal and Ronaldo in particular as villians. You have turned a bind eye to Henry's antics, praised Gerrard when he dived in a recent friendly, but with Portugal you have twisted every fall and protest as testament that the Portugese are at it.

Portugal's only crime was to BEAT an England side that at best was only average. Sour grapes doesn't come into it concerning how NASTY the English media have been towards the Portugal players. This is just xenophobia.

The BBC should APOLOGISE for their behaviour, but I expect you will not. You lot are a disgrace to your profession!

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  • 42.
  • At 10:50 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • JayB wrote:

Typical British shortsightedness again. Lets face it who should give a toss about 22 overgrown babies kicking a dead cow round a park? How anyone can be "gutted" about their national team getting knocked out of an overhyped Gravy Train for players and ex players alike is beyond me, and from what i've read here BBC is just perpetuating the violence caused by this terrible game anyway. I think my dad said it best when he requested the ball be replaced by a can of Pepsi because they seem to be able to do more with it. The other thing that beggars belief is that so many english players can't score from a penalty spot, well why should they care and shed their crocodile tears when they are earning more in a week than most in a year. Glad they don't get a penny of my money!

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  • 43.
  • At 10:55 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • ade wrote:

the thing about sour grapes is that it is rarely admitted to.the hypocrisy of the bbc is stunning.the fact is rooney committed a red card offence;a delberate foul if you ask me.one that was likely to seriously injure his opponent.some people might consider ronaldo's behaviour unsporting but it is not unprecedented not even in this tournament.ronaldo's unsporting behaviour was a misdemeanour compared to rooney's.both players were bad boys but rooney was the villain of the match.everyone except the english can see that!

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  • 44.
  • At 10:57 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Chiff wrote:

The unfortunate fact is that the final on Sunday will be competed for by two teams who owe their place to dubious penalties.The fact that they are probably two of the four best teams around is being forgotten. And this will be how most people will remember this World Cup. Diving has ALWAYS happened. Germany, the latest converts, have turned it into an art form - your BBC commentators on 5 remarked that this was the first time they had seen it in the match v Italy. Are they partially sighted???? Portugal are inept at it hence the mass criticism. And the remainder are somewhere in between. Oh! and the English are so poor at it (Gerrard !!) that they are practising it along with penalties. So accept the World Cup for what it is. A circus. With some great acts but with a lot more clowns and acrobats.

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  • 45.
  • At 11:01 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Takeshi wrote:

“Quite why any of them would be harbouring grudges on behalf of England is anyone’s guess.”!

Wow! What an incisive journalist you are Mr Armstrong. Have you objectively watched any football coverage on TV over the last 20 years? The non-English pundits and co-commentators blinkeredly glory hunt with England because the alternative is working in small time regional sports programmes.

John Motson had been a joke of a commentator for as long as I’ve been watching football. Mark Lawrenceson is a misanthrope who could take the joy out of any game and Ian Wright doesn’t really require comment. Lineker and Shearer are generally good but let themselves down by bitterly shooting the messenger, Portugal. The Golden Generation is a myth. England has 6 World Class players who never at any stage formed a team which could attack and win at the highest level.

I hope you will read all of the heartfelt and honest replies to your short sighted / disingenuous comments and have the guts to apologise for overlooking the sometimes nasty and petty behaviour of your colleagues.

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  • 46.
  • At 11:03 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • fp wrote:

Yesterday there were these news about lots (hundreds, maybe thousands) of English people that have just cancelled their vacations in Portugal because of this Ronaldo-Rooney war. Come on guys, it is turning into a war, isn't this SICK? Perhaps BBC could let me know something: are English always this type of SICK people they look like now? Or is it just a product you made out of them?

I had never had this impression that English were this frustrated, sick about football, whatever. BBC and the other low-low level british press are obtaining a response that may well get out of control. (I thought that sometimes they learn something when they have to pay huge ammounts in court to american stars, but they get on with their stamping in the balls of everybody that makes sell more publicity)

Journalism, what? That's a very strange word indeed. This people cannot imagine what it means. Today's Portuguese newspapers recall the bombings in London last year, with this sense of solidarity due between friendly and civilized countries. They talk about two minutes of silence at noon, in memory of the victims. But at the same time we hear that the English are so mad at C Ronaldo and ALL the Portuguese that they don't want to come here in vacation anymore. Just compare the gravity of things involved, and also the reactions.This is a crazy world!!!

Now perhaps they prefer to go to Côte D'Azur - yeah, go there and see if some French has the humility of speaking English with you, or if you have to essay your lovely S'il vous play and merci complex conversation. SICK!!!

And in the end - like in the Fall, when everything is back to real life:

1) probably C. Ronaldo and Rooney will be great friends in the next season, earning all the money they do and laughing at all these people who made a stupid ridiculous war out of them;

2) the owners of tvs and sites and newspapers have made huge fortunes out of these news;

3) and the regular English guy will still be frustrated at home, since he has been USED in a war from which no good may come to any of the parts involved.

And this time not even with the good memory of a summer vacation in the Algarve.

I am sad for you!!! The victims of the bombimgs are death. But you are still alive. So wake up, do not get into this money-machine which is the media and the publicity, and BE HAPPY!

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  • 47.
  • At 11:05 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Mike wrote:

I cannot believe the Portuguese supporter who are attempting to defend the pathetic cheats who are playing for Portugal. I would hang my head in shame at the way their team behaved. It was disgusting !

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  • 48.
  • At 11:10 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • E_C wrote:

I have to say, "witch-hunt" seems a pretty appropriate term. And now the blinkers are well and truly in place, Portugal have acquired a "divers-and-nothing-more" tag which I can't see being shaken off no matter what, and for this they have my sympathy. The negative aspects of their game seem to be the only things sticking in most people's minds (often hugely exaggerated, for example the alleged "hundreds" of dives we are supposed to have witnessed in the semi) with no regard to some fantastic things they've managed to produce in this and other tournaments. You simply can't "con" your way to a semi-final as has been suggested. And while there has been denial of any double standards, this has been evident to me also, and not just the overlooking of unfair play/gamesmanship of English players: we had a really cringeworthy tap-on-the-shoulder-but-collapse-holding-the-face moment from Ballack in the first semi, which was practically justified and condoned by the commentary team - I was expecting them to ignore it but this was far worse. These sort of actions should be condemned - but NOT dwelt upon endlessly - WHEREVER they occur. Sadly though it seems that people (those around me anyway)are now willing the accept this from any other team but Portugal, on the grounds that "it's not as bad as them." If they take place against Portugal so much the better: where I was watching the semi-final, before seeing the replays we feared that France's penalty may have been off the back of a blatant dive. But never mind, everyone was saying, it was against Portugal so they deserve it. I did even hear the comment "Brilliant, give 'em a taste of their own medicine". Nice. What a way to encourage fair play from a country with a suspect reputation, just out-cheat them.
The last 16 Holland game was every bit two-way. But no-one will ever remember it like that thanks to a poor picture painted by the media. I think I had a last-straw moment on the train this morning, overhearing a teenager proclaim that she "hated the way Portugal dived" before admitting she hadn't watched a single game. Says enough really. Tragic.

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  • 49.
  • At 11:16 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Pristinapete wrote:

1. As an expat in sunny Kosovo I cannot comment on BBC TV commentary regarding the World Cup. However we do have 5Live to keep us up to date with most of the matches. Is Alan Green a football pundit or a commentator? Perhaps he should commentate more and opionate less...after all, that is what the co-commentator is for. As for the other commentators...excellent work...although a fixation about players' hair has become apparent during the tournament.
2. Regarding the whole diving affair. One solution is for each country's FA to review the relevant games and if any incident of diving/cheating is apparent then they should fine the offending player/s. Otherwise they would appear to condone such behaviour!!!
3. Concerning getting "stars" on your international shirt for every World Cup a country wins, it seems to me that the only way England will get any more is to go and work for McDonalds!!!. Come on Italy!!!!

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  • 50.
  • At 11:17 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Stuart wrote:

Would you please get one of your pundits publicly state on TV that any form of diving / theatrics or cheating must also be punished afterwards with the use of TV evidence. Everyone agrees that it must be stamped out and I feel that this is the only way. If the footballing authorities can use TV evidence to punish acts of violence on the pitch, then they should also start using TV evidence to punish any form of cheating. Maybe then could these antics be stamped out of the game.

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  • 51.
  • At 11:23 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • simon wrote:

What made the BBC bias clear for me was when they showed Miguel’s knee injury in their montage of Portugal’s diving.

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  • 52.
  • At 11:25 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Steve Rogers wrote:

I'm looking forward to the Third Place play-off. Portugal have one last chance to redeem themselves and prove to everyone that their game is not about thespian artistry.

One last item, why should the BBC not be biased towards the home nation? We are British. If you don't like listening to it, tune in to your own local radio station.

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  • 53.
  • At 11:25 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • rmd wrote:

3 points:

- It was ironic in the extreme to listen to Alan Shear comment on Portuguese gamesmanship. This man has some nerve.

- Why do Gary Lineker, Alan Hansen and Mark Lawrenson insist on turning the BBCs coverage into a (bad) comedy act and feel the need to constantly poke fun at players/teams who evidently deserve much more respect than they have been given from this nauseating 'triumvirate' (e.g. abuse of Brazil (particularly Ronaldo), France and Italy during the early stages of the competition. Very little of their put-downs were backed up by proper anlysis.

- Whatever his faults, it seems to have been forgotten that Cristiano Ronaldo actually had the guts to step and put a winning penalty in the net - when did one of England's 'golden generation' last show such nerve?

Its a personal opinion, of course, but I think the BBC needs to take a long, hard look at the quality of its coverage of this tournament before Euro 2008 comes around. One suggestion would be to get rid of Lineker, Hansen, Shearer, Lawrenson, Ian Wright and, bring Terry Butcher and Graham Taylor in from 5 Live and retain O'Neill, Leonardo and Desailly are retained - at least their comment and analysis have mostly been based on fact.

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  • 54.
  • At 11:27 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Stuart wrote:

There are a number of examples which have clearly illustrated the BBC's very partial attitude towards England. This is something that I can accept somewhat grudgingly as the panel does consist of former International players who will no doubt be biased.

My main criticism of the BBC's coverage, however, is the clear failure by any of the so called British pundits, rather than managers or ex-managers and excluding the rather excellent Desailly and Leonardo, to do any form of research for this tournament. A few examples:-

- Alan Hansen stating before Italy's first match "I don't know much about Luca Toni so don't know what to expect" - he was top scorer in Seria A with 31 goals, yes 31 the first time more than 30 for around 40 years, last season. There is no excuse for such an appaling lack of knowledge and punditry. If they do not know the subjects of the game, ie. Italian football, they should not do that game.

IS IT TOO MUCH TO EXPECT PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING PAID VERY WELL NO DOUBT TO DO A BIT OF RESEARCH BEFORE A BIG TOURNAMENT - IE WATCH VIDEOS OF OTHER COUNTRIES, LEAGUES, READ WORLD SOCCER OR FIFA WEBSITE, SPEAK TO OTHERS ABOUT THE GAME THAN JUST LAWRO AND JOHN MOTSON??

- Ian Wright's "I don't care cause England aren't playing" - again, why are you on the show unless England are playing?

- Gary Linekar's before the holland argentina game "The argentina, holland group is the most competitive" when both argentina and holland had won their first two games and qualified. Competitive it wasn't if you look purely at results! Use a dictionary to make sure you understand what the words actually mean before you use them.

- Alan Shearer's "Out of the 4 semi-finalists, there would maybe be one player who would get into the England squad" - Come on, Alan, you were a terrific player who I greatly admired but do you really believe that England had a world class squad that struggled so badly to beat the likes of Ecuador, Paraguay and T&T, and one that could afford to ignore players like Buffon, Zambrotta, Nesta, Cannavaro, Grosso, Gattuso, Pirlo, Perrotta, Luca Toni (a good big man who can score goals and lead the line), Totti, Gilardhino, Gallas, Thuram, Sagnol, Coupet, Viera, Makalele, Zidane, Henry, Ribery, Klose, Metzelder, Lahm, Ballack, Schweinsteiger, Lehmann, Kahn, Podolski, Ronaldo, Carvalho, Meira, Figo, Simao, Deco et al if they were English?

Of course not. Clearly, not all of these players would get into the England squad at the one time but surely they are all better options than the likes of Wayne Bridge, Sol Campbell, Jermaine Jenas, Lennon, Downing, Walcott, Crouch, David James, Robinson, Scott Carson...

If not, then we will see the results of the England squad's vastly superior squad of players reflected in the Golden Ball and team of the tournament nominations? Hold on, no - this is not the case, they are filled with players from countries other than England. How can this be?!?

I hope that Shearer is merely trying to ensure that he gets players respect for not criticising them when he becomes part of Steve McLaren's regime and he does not truly believe that England had the 22 best players in the tournament.


The BBC's coverage has been very poor with one or two exceptions: Desailly, Leonardo, O'Neill, Iain Dowie and Gordon Strachan have came across as well informed and also pundits who can actually put their point across succinctly (ok, O'Neill sometimes struggles to do so) and surely their reputation has gone down the pan following the World Cup. Not that ITV is much, if any, better but it does make you realise how good Sky's coverage actually is!

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  • 55.
  • At 11:31 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • rmd wrote:

3 points:

- It was ironic in the extreme to listen to Alan Shear comment on Portuguese gamesmanship. This man has some nerve.

- Why do Gary Lineker, Alan Hansen and Mark Lawrenson insist on turning the BBCs coverage into a (bad) comedy act and feel the need to constantly poke fun at players/teams who evidently deserve much more respect than they have been given from this nauseating 'triumvirate' (e.g. abuse of Brazil (particularly Ronaldo), France and Italy during the early stages of the competition. Very little of their put-downs were backed up by proper anlysis.

- Whatever his faults, it seems to have been forgotten that Cristiano Ronaldo actually had the guts to step and put a winning penalty in the net - when did one of England's 'golden generation' last show such nerve?

Its a personal opinion, of course, but I think the BBC needs to take a long, hard look at the quality of its coverage of this tournament before Euro 2008 comes around. One suggestion would be to get rid of Lineker, Hansen, Shearer, Lawrenson, Ian Wright, bring Terry Butcher and Graham Taylor in from 5 Live and retain O'Neill, Leonardo and Desailly are retained - at least their comment and analysis have mostly been based on fact.

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  • 56.
  • At 11:32 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Stuart wrote:

And it is clear that Martin O'Neill's bias against Portugal was because of Celtic's UEFA cup defeat to Porto. This was evident throughout the tournament and not just on Tuesday night, but to be fair to him in that game Vitor Baia did roll about for a few minutes in injury time feigning injury. However, once again it was not the cause of their defeat. That was their players - Bobo Balde being sent off, Rab Douglas doing his usual and basically handing Porto victory, and their inability to keep the ball.

Alan Hansen i'm not so sure about, perhaps because Benfica put Liverpool out of the Champions League this year?

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  • 57.
  • At 11:33 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • mr harrold wrote:

Surely people can understand the apparent 'sour grapes' as it's impossible to not feel aggrieved at the behaviour on the pitch of the Portugese/Dutch? They and Henry (for his ridiculous dive against Spain) have done everything they can to ruin this world cup while teams like Argentina did all they could to make it magic. The Portugese team deserve no respect for their showing. And to talk of diving/cheating/gamesmanship as 'artistry' is ludicrous and deluded.

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  • 58.
  • At 11:37 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Martin wrote:

Let's be honest your coverage of the France v Portugal match was totally biased against Portugal and in particular Ronaldo. To pretend otherwise would be to insult your viewers intelligence. I have to admit I did expect some negative comments about Portugal, but I was shocked but mostly dissapointed at the level of it all. P.S. Didn't Thierry Henri make the most of his penalty appeal, maybe a bit of a dive, but not picked up by any of the so called studio experts of course.

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  • 59.
  • At 11:38 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Mitchell Stirling wrote:

What Shearer said was wrong for a professional pundit despite the feelings of hurt that many were feeling and the problem that a lot of the nation had already had with C. Ronaldo and his role between the incident and Rooney’s dismissal. At the time it did look like Rooney hadn’t been sent off the stamp (an obvious red card) but for a very small push after being wound up by C. Ronaldo his team-mate and supposed friend. The wink didn’t help matters much either. It confirmed the impression that many seasoned football fans have that he is a talented individual who needs to add a little end product to his technical skill and to curb his serial attempts to hood-wink the officials. Both of which were on display in the Semi-final where he was the best player under 30 on the pitch but also responsible for one of the worst attempts at a dive of the competition so far.

It’s quite easy to say this is all sour grapes from the English but don’t believe for a second that the tabloid headlines speak for the majority of people here. I do hope that that “right winker” stays in England instead of joining Real Madrid, if he shrug the criticism off in the way that Beckham did eight summers ago and become a better person for it I’ll applaud him for it. I also don’t think that the antics of Rivaldo against Turkey in 2002 and some of the Brazilians going to ground rather easy are entirely unrelated to the manager at the time. Portugal have a very talented midfield who toiled in the group stages and the first 30 minutes against the Dutch to provide the creativity to unlock tight defences. We didn’t see much of that since and to see Big Phil complaining that the referee hadn’t bought his sides dives at the end was not becoming of very good coach. For the criticism of Sven G-E and his supposed lack of passion I’m certainly glad we didn’t see him running on to the pitch to remonstrate in a similar manner

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  • 60.
  • At 11:41 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Pilotasso wrote:

UK mass meadia have been MASSIVELY biased. Some worse than others. THE SUN was by far the worst (you can make advertizements of this, hhehe)
With their world cup reduced to Portugal coverage, at one time you could see numerous reports about C. Ronaldo being crucified (although I'll admit his atititude has been less than ideal, but nothing realy out of theis world). THeSun has gone to the realm of direct insult with some suggestions to xenophoby by generalizing some players behaviour to be like that of Portugal as a country.

BBC while not as acid as THESUN online had let their comentators with a loose leach, and that has allowed some rather shocking bias with sugestions of retaliations "they should stick one up on ronaldo" and constant attacks on Portugals image.

What seems to be even more serious is that fanaticizism has a reather similar expression making it look like the radicals speak in chorus with the press.

Theres no racional controll over the press and wich hunt has been rampant.
The press seems to take advantage of the hype to sell Newspapers feeding up readers with rage for some sort of sales frenzin. Its no wonder that their speach often quote the same "clichés" printed by the press.

In britain there is no controll whatsoever on what is published, we have seen this in the past with made up lies after celebrities and even their own royal court. SVEn's sex scandals, governamental classifyed information and for a couple of occasions that I remember off this savage exposure of stories for the sake of sales has been the indirect cause of death of people.

Theres no limits to the speach used in the press, no limits of exposure, and no limits of how far one can go destroy someone elses private life for a good story.
With this whole WC2006 wich hunt the Emglish press jumped out of the sports columns into social agitation.

There should be laws against this, aren there any?

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  • 61.
  • At 11:47 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • michael wrote:

I am surprised that MOTD has been criticised. They are there to cover the match and what was dished up before there eyes had to be commented on for what it was. Of course there are journalistic biases and undercurrents driving them along but on a day in which there was only one game to cover, the content had to be analysed, the football was pretty poor and the story of the game was the excessive amount of simulation displayed by Portugal. That was the theme of their analysis - rightly so - it was the story of the day, not pre-scripted (though expected). This thread has meandered back to Rooney and national stereotypes but the question was about the BBC coverage of the Semi-final. For me it summed up the events of the days football perfectly fairly.

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  • 62.
  • At 11:47 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Faisal ... wrote:

I am very disappointed with the response of English and non-english fans on this post.

Let's put it in plain, the English team were not to the level (and played bad football) and the Portuguese have been experts in diving.

I think that in the future, they should give yellow and red cards to football divers.

As for MotD, they better review their stand. It was a disgrace from the pundits.

Please guys, for once let's agree to disagree and leave all stereotypes (true and untrue) aside.

Thanks

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  • 63.
  • At 11:48 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • kevin wrote:

Two incidents of Portuguese play which were singled out for diving in MOTD replays
i/ C.Ronaldo made a (bad) attempt to head the ball from a cross, and there was some contact with french defender
ii/ a Portuguese player clearly fell over after beating a couple of French defenders..that's it .. he himself didn't appeal for anything!

I hope the Portuguese TV stations produce an analysis of the BBC biased coverage. It shows you can do anything with a bit of video editing. And yes, we can expect to see constant replays of Crouch fouling the T&T defender by pulling his hair (?)

re: analysis; I am disappointed in Lineker; didn't expect any better from Shearer. Good idea to employ some other internationals like Leonardo, Desailly (Nb Desailly was impressed by play of C.Ronaldo in the France match!)
Very sad to hear message from Jane re: children in school. Yes, BBC Board should inquire into MOTD coverage, esp Shearer's comments. (Don't think BBC lawyers will have been happy with Shearer somehow).

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  • 64.
  • At 11:48 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • ginko wrote:

I am very disappointed with the BBC, which I have always praised for their fairness and unbiased objectiveness back in my country. To be honest I will watch the Sunday final on some satellite channel even a Chinese one would be better.

I am so sick and tired of the idiotic incompetence of the so called football experts that the BBC forces us to listen to. I know everyone is in title to have their opinion. But oh boy, oh boy.

Alan Hansen: Is he for real??? And he writes on the BBC web site as well!!!! Pathetic!!!

Alan Shearer: Biased
Gary Lineker: The glue that keeps them together….

Thanks god for Ian Wright, who although biased himself at least he is funny. Unfortunately not enough to save the BBC. My opinion on the BBC will be from now on more objective too, rather than one of complete trust and respect.

Well done BBC, you have completely screwed up the World Cup for Millions of viewers who are interested in football only and you have lost our respect!!!!

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  • 65.
  • At 11:51 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Penny wrote:

At the beginning of the tournament Kofi Annan famously expressed his envy of the World Cup! He talked about goals - not just the scoring kind but "the most important goal of all - being there part of the family of nations and peoples, celebrating our common humanity". I thought the motto of the World Cup was 'making friends'.

I hope the Portuguese will understand how passionate the English are about football and our country and understand how difficult it was to accept that we only got to the quarter finals and that without one decent diplay of the passionate and attacking football of which we are capable. In a few weeks this will all be forgotten. The vast majority of English people are easy going, friendly and I believe very fair-minded and able to accept critism of ourselves.

As for cheating and violence in football they are both reprehensible. I would rather not win the world cup than win it using either of these means. We must stamp both of these out of our own game without mercy and only then (much more so than winning the World Cup) will we be able to say that football has truly come home!!

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  • 66.
  • At 11:54 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • John Cleland wrote:

Some superb comments above, particularly from Jane, regarding the poor child in the school having to put up with 'We hate Ronaldo' taunts from pupils and teachers, who it has to be said gain influence from the BBC. Being a school teacher, I've heard similar stories to this in the last week and it makes me feel sick. The BBC has to realise it has an important part to play.

Also, if you wonder why the non-English pundits side with the anti-Portugal thing, do you not realise that people who appear on TV seek popularity, and so pander to the masses. Surely, surely, a TV editor can realise that?

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  • 67.
  • At 11:54 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Our Giddy wrote:

Mitchell Stirling - what a great post!

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  • 68.
  • At 11:59 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Craig wrote:

Hmmm, credit where credit's due, but isn't the BBC also the channel on which Ian Wright said diving was justified in an England shirt?

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  • 69.
  • At 11:59 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • We Still Love Portugal! wrote:

The Portuguese are great footballers, and have played some of the best football in Europe over the years. I think in the World Cup they have not been up to their usual standard, and England and Portugal were both poor in the game. England lost because they can't take penalties, if you can't beat a team that misses 2 penalties you deserve to lose! In fact England played better after Rooney was sent off!
As for stitching up a team-mate ask Sol Campbell about the time Rooney dived over his leg at Man Utd. Oh sorry, I forgot, we don't dive..


PS Jane, I agree with everything you wrote, and I wish I could do something to change the way things are....

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  • 70.
  • At 11:59 AM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Pilotasso wrote:

oh and after my coments about press deviation let me add something else more specific.

It seems to me that from the moment Portugal scored the goal VS Holland in the first half of the game without any incidents making it to apear the likely adversary for England, the English atention immidiatly focussed on Portugal style of play.

It seems to me that this analysis has been taken into such perspective that the general opionion was already prepared to point out and blow out of proportion the negative aspects.
This became apparent to me with how English suporters speach tends to favour the dutch in that game even though everyone else said they were equaly bad.

"Holland had blame but portugal was a disgrace"

I have read this N times and to me it makes look like a pre set idea that what will remain in everyone minds is that Portugal is the main culprit and that guilt should be carried on further to everything else worng that happens to Portugals adversaries wich are , or course supported by the English press and fans while turning a blind eye for the kind of acts but with the fundamental difference that they allowed those teams to win. The most incredible is that on top of all this portugal is the one to be quoted as doing this kind of cheat progression.

Portugal Won Holland in the first 40 minutes with a clean goal and without incidents. It won England on penalties where Ricardo defended THREE of them while England scored ONE. All because the English players nerves snapped not because portugal cheated or dived. Rooneys incident could have hapened against any adversary. The ball was being disputed without any diving and although there was contact so the same hapened in other matches.
As for the group stages, its funny that the general English collective doesnt even remember we played against Mexico (IMHO a great game), Angola and Iran.

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  • 71.
  • At 12:00 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • fakegenius wrote:

Since when has the BBC had to be impartial when covering England games?! BBC does stand for British Broadcasting Corparation doesn't it? As far as I'm concerned there should only be impartiality when any of the home nations or other countries play each other. I imagine it's the same with national broadcasters in other countries. Anyway it could have been worse.....you could have been watching ITV :)

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  • 72.
  • At 12:01 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • colin lowe wrote:

Well what can I say after reading all these comments, it makes me very sad. They can not all be wrong and you should take them serious and re-build on it.
As a life long BBC promoter against those who would sell it off,I feel let down by the standard of coverage of the WC. The panel appear too smug and matey and Ian Wright is an embarrasment. Your one positive claim was Martin O'Neil and maybe you should regroup around him, he is out of work. Go on seize the moment!

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  • 73.
  • At 12:02 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • freddya wrote:

Why is Ronaldo being slated. I saw nothing that does not happen all over the country
and in all leagues over the world. He saw his team mate badly tackled(Excuse the pun)
and he came over to remonstrate with the Ref(Not just him I might add).I certainly saw no imaginary
card being waved in the air which is the bane of many in the UK.
But for some reason, he is being singled out.Are we trying to deflect critism from Rooney or Englands poor showing.
It WAS Rooney who decided to commit this act but he is being lauded and the blame layed elsewhere.
We have a bunch of highly paid, stiff limbed "world class" class who couldnt trap a bag of cement and treat a football
like some hot potato.All games featuring England where devoid of Ideas, showed lack of Skill and Imagination and in fact were pretty dull affairs.
I personally hope Ronaldo leves this shores and go to Madrid where his level of skill and finesse will be much more appreciated.
Its really wasted in this Country.

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  • 74.
  • At 12:02 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Baz wrote:

Just one thought for everyone who says Shearer was inciting violence - his words were, "I wouldn't be surprised if Rooney goes and sticks one on Ronaldo," which is substantially different to, "Rooney should go and stick one on Ronaldo."

As for the 'hooligan vs artist' argument - has no-one stopped to think that both are illegal on a football pitch, regardless of who does it? When Gerrard dived during one of the friendlies prior to the World Cup, I criticised him just as much as I have Ronaldo. Strangely enough, not all England fans are biased to the point of overlooking the desire for fair play!

Personally, I like Beckenbauer's idea that card-waving players should be carded themselves - in fact, I remarked on this very idea to a friend in college yesterday!

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  • 75.
  • At 12:03 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Hugo Figueiredo wrote:

I am portuguese and i have been living between portugal and england for the past six years. I feel and i will always feel proudly portuguese but i feel i know England a bit, its vices and virtues and i even feel a bit attached to it these days. It is in that condition, as well as of a football lover, that i write here.

I find this whole 'Ronaldo incident' following England's defeat to Portugal and its subsequent BBC coverage - not the least Shearer's comments as well as last night's- absolutely shameful and disgraceful. It is in my opinion, one more example of how insular and detached England feels and is consequently felt, of how it is consumed by a notion and a fear of failure that impairs its feelings and actions and of its lack of elegance.

I just ask you to see the meaning of shearer's words and the BBC and others's coverage from a pair of Portuguese eyes:

When Rooney clearly went against the rules - not english rules, let me tell you, fifa rules, international rules - what should Ronaldo have done? The poor guy, from a poor small country - that obviously is assumed not to be worth beating england, despite having it done before, after going to the final of the European Cup and a semi-final previously - because it has the 'privilege' of playing for one of the worlds' 'biggest clubs' what should have he done? He should have gone against his will to win for his country, for his will to dedicate the victory to his father that died recently, that was Portuguese, that always lived in POrtugal to whom it dedicated the victory and his last goal and, instead, he should have respected the privilege of 'being in England'. It should have refrained from just pointing to the referee that rooney had actually broken the rules badly, by being clearly out of line. That's how i see it. Or better put, i think this was the excuse that a nation absolutely impared by this fear of failure found to overcome a situation where they clearly didn't know how to beat POrtugal. We did know how to beat you, twice now. Just as France knew how to beat us. Congratulations to them. But to all that still stand behind this dodgy excuse, and sincerely excuse me for my lack of elegance here, a big F@!* O*!, because sometimes you have to stand up to things and enough is enough.

Our team reached the semis and lost yesterday a big big opportunity against France of making history, a deserved mark. OUr reaction? Recognising the French capability of winning, taking lessons from the defeat, getting stronger for the next time and staying behind our team, supporting the team, not trying to find the guilty part. YOu don't deserve Eriksson. And let me tell you, in one thing maybe you are right: we are NOT english!!!

Hugo

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  • 76.
  • At 12:07 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Paul Buckland wrote:

I am an Englishman living in Scotland. Even before I moved up here years ago, I felt that John Motson was by far the worst commentator on television. He has got worse over the years, and is now embarrassing to listen too. He apparently starts every commentary from the standpoint that England will win, and if they don't, they have been cheated, not that the other team played better. He is constantly interjecting pointless 'facts' into his commentary. Very tiresome. Scottish commentators are biased too, but not nowhere near as bad as Motson. I ask you to step back a listen to the drivel he comes out with. Barry Davies, by far the BBC's best football commentator ever had to retire, presumably because he couldn't get past the idiot Motson; what a waste. Get rid of him and promote Steve Wilson to No. 1.

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  • 77.
  • At 12:08 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Robert wrote:

it is sick the horror of the inglish press against the portuguese.They are disgracing the football.
#1 A picture of ronaldo publecise in the sun for inglish fans to have their revenge with dard's. Then if the 2 teams meet again and england lose this will get the hooligan's to revenge then they get blame for it.
#2 Portugal won england now they are looking for an excuse, who else to blame the oponnent it's easier than blame our self's.
#3 the bbc commentators are unprofesional they should all be saked, they never gave the portuguese the benefit. Since that game they are always looking in every angle what the portuguese do or don't that is sick we need to learn that we have lost and blame ourself's not the other team.
#4 wenger complaining about diving that all should be punished and think the beggest diver was Henry the 2 dives won both games. Actually he should get a diving Medal.
In a country that is fighting against terrorism and causing all of this in the best game of the world is not on. Bbc should not ever have the right's to a football much.

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  • 78.
  • At 12:13 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • MikeR wrote:

Reading the comments here and on the 606 message board provides an incredible insight into the psychology of entrenchment on both sides of the England/Portugal Roanaldo/Rooney argument. If I could highlight a few realities.

1. The English, as far as I can tell, are not blaming their dismal exit from the World Cup on anything but their team's poor performance throughout the competition and the tactics employed by the manager. Commenting on other matters does not constitute sour grapes.

2. The nature of Ronaldo's behaviour before, during and after the Rooney sending off is deeply offensive to the English psyche. It is seen as BETRAYAL, which the English regard as one of the most despicable crimes. It's like someone eating your bread and then poisoning your water.

3. Rooney's behaviour cannot really be defended, although there are mitigating circumstances. The incident came about because, unlike many players in the tournament, he attempted to stay on his feet despite being fouled. Did he deliberately place his foot where it ended up between Carvalho's legs, even if the degree of contact did not warrant the reaction? Almost certainly if you study his body movement and the fact that he made very little protest when the refereee showed him the red card. In any case, he is being lined up to receive the severest punishment from FIFA - Blatter's personal comments on the matter and Elizondo's appointment to the final have already prejudged that.

3. Do Portugal deserve the universal approbrium that they are currently receiving? Unfortunately, their notoriety in employing extreme forms of gamsmanship, including targeting opponents with suspect temprements, has a long history and is widely recognised outside of England. It is unfortunate because of the footballing talent they possess, but seems to be innate judging by the inability to curb it, even under the scrutiny of the eyes of the world. It has nothing to do with art.

4. Are the BBC right to comment on point 3? They can't not do so when it is such a significant component of the event - and one which is central to one of the main topics of debate to come out of this competition - namely, what is FIFA going to do stop cheating?

5. Has the BBC World Cup team performed any better than the England team? In terms of personnel, sadly not. A change of management and even a sending off or two might be appropriate.

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  • 79.
  • At 12:14 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Anthony wrote:

I am surprised that MOTD has been criticised. They are there to cover the match and what was dished up before there eyes had to be commented on for what it was. Of course there are journalistic biases and undercurrents driving them along but on a day in which there was only one game to cover, the content had to be analysed, the football was pretty poor and the story of the game was the excessive amount of simulation displayed by Portugal. That was the theme of their analysis - rightly so - it was the story of the day, not pre-scripted (though expected). The inclusion of Miguel's injury was I suspect more to do with the reaction of his team mates declaring a foul had been committed when it was blatantly an unfortunate twist / fall involving no oponents. This thread has meandered back to Rooney and national stereotypes but the question was about the BBC coverage of the Semi-final. For me it summed up the events of the days football perfectly fairly.

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  • 80.
  • At 12:16 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Mark Briggs wrote:

I must say that I do think a few of the BBC panel have definitely been sulking after the sorry exit of England from the World Cup. For Alan Shearer to state, just before the France v Portugal game , that there have been no good matches in the knock out stage is staggering. It seems, for example, that the BBC panel missed Germany v Italy semi-final, which has been almost universally acknowledged as a classic and has been deemed in Europe as first rate 'Adult football'.

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  • 81.
  • At 12:20 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Pilotasso wrote:

#68 Penny:

We are passionate fans as well, but we understand you are too. However we do not fully understand the reasons for the wich hunt. Englands criticisms made the whole of england look at portugals defects with a magnified lens from the moment we were likely to be your oponents and will continue to be untill the end of the WC2006.

England forgets or wants to forget that the foul play they have spoted is well established in most teams of this WC and only now they remember those problems exist and Portugal becomes the devil impersonated.

Going to give you a view from our fans and the press.
We feel sorry that we lost to france, we hold no grudge even against a team who had us beaten with a controvertial penalty (again!) the last time we met.

But the coverage we gave last night for example was the English press!
There was a show of bad cases of Journalism, BBC is mentioned with the poor and biased perfomance of their commentators. THESUN coverage is displayed as an example of an aberrant case, and we even had a psicologist to analyse the state of mind that can lead to all this hysteria.

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  • 82.
  • At 12:20 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • grc wrote:

Paul Armstrong's defence of the BBC's coverage is entirely correct.
The MOTD team have consistently pointed out divers, both foreign and English. If the Portugese are feeling victimised, that's because your team was the worst for diving and other forms of gamesmanship in this tournament. Sadly, they weren't the only team to resort to such tactics.
Let's hope that FIFA can learn from this and crackdown on it in time for the next World Cup as it is ruining the game.

www.world-cup-blog.co.uk

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  • 83.
  • At 12:21 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Peter Lidstone wrote:

On an aside, does John Motson get on anyone else's nerves?

I'm sure he's a nice chap, but can an encyclopaedic collection of facts about football alone be sufficient to justify his monopoly of BBC coverage.

And possibly more annoying than this is Motson's attempts to further the advance of human civilisation, by pronouncing players' names in as close proximity to their native tongue as possible.

We were reliably informed at the beginning of the tournament that Nuno Valente in fact is pronounced 'Valent' in Portugal. This self-indulgent pronunciation lasted all of 1 game, with Motson reverting to the familiar 'Valente' for the rest of the tournament!! Why bother in the first place??

And were he to pronounce the Ukranian names as they are known locally, well.....

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  • 84.
  • At 12:22 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • zxcvb wrote:

Football is a game that obviously involves physical contact at some moments.

England play a more physical stlye of play than, say Brazil, for example.

Portugal play a more technical game.

What I've always disliked in football, watching any club or national side playing, is the play acting when the player has been tackled and is trying to unfairly influence the referees decision. Even for my own team, I feel embarrassed when they do this (though I won't share who I support). Even more so is when players feel the need to voice their opinions to the referee in the hope that they can pressurize the ref into making certain decisions. FIFA set out to try and eliminate this from the World Cup but unfortunately there still seems to be quite a lot of it, from most nations as well.

There was a couple of cast iron examples from Portugal in the Por-Fra game that I literally laughed at. I sometimes wonder how players can look back at the video of a game and not feel embarrassed as I do watching them.

They are paid to play football. They should do so.

I think it's unfair to blame the BBC for what was clearly shown during the games (and directed by a non-English Director).

I agree that Shearer's comments were a bit foolish, but he's a retired international player and he's giving his opinion on how Rooney might react given the fact that Rooney's upbringing, with a boxing history, might shape the outcome.

Football is a sport involving rivalry. Where each team should be competing fairly to win. Without a certain amount of rivalry between countries, then where's the fun in supporting your own team?!

The English press do over-egg situations where England are knocked out of ANY tournament, and enjoy finding a scape-goat which in this case was Ronaldo. It just happens.

I personally feel that if there is a scapegoat, it should be Erikson.

Anyway, let's stop all this anti-whatever rubbish. It's only a game after all.

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  • 85.
  • At 12:27 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Robert wrote:

I'm an England fan and I admit that the coverage of the England on the BBC and ITV can be Biased, but name me one country where that isn't the case.

If Portuguese TV didn't go on about what a dirty player Rooney is then I’ll accept these criticisms but I guessing they did.

If you forget all the nonsense that went on with Ronaldo during the England game and look at the France and Holland games in isolation you can see that some of the antics of the Portuguese (and Dutch) players was a disgrace. I don't care what style of football you play cheating is cheating and it is perfectly correct for the BBC pundits to point it out.

I'm sure you can find examples of players from virtually all the teams in this world cup diving including England. It is a stain on the game and it’s entirely right that the BBC football team should show their disapproval.

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  • 86.
  • At 12:27 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Marius wrote:

To Stuard: excellent post!

Maybe Shearer got too many balls against his head and he meant that maybe only one ENGLISH player would be on english squad when Eriksson could have the others you mentioned!

O.K. Mr. Shearer that was a little harsh, sorry for that. But come on, you cannot be serious about that comment you made.

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  • 87.
  • At 12:29 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Ark wrote:

I may be wrong, but by my recollection, many people are misquoting Alan Shearer.
I seem to remember that he suggested he wouldnt be surprised if Rooney 'stuck one on Ronaldo', rather than actually saying he should.
Of course, this is still not commendable commentary, but the sense of it is very different.

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  • 88.
  • At 12:30 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • yomo wrote:

just a few lines about the portugal:netherlands display of sportsmanship:
There are 22 professional footballers on the pitch. every single one of them should realise after about 20min how the referee ticks on the day. if you continue to play on in the same style or - in this particular case - even get more extreme as the game goes on, you can't really blame the referee. it's all down to players stupidity!
good example the other way around:
germany:italy
after a few minutes all players on the pitch realised, that the referee is a more tolerant one, not reacting to every single prod. so: no reason to roll around in acted pain for minutes, just get on with it!the result: one of the best matches during the tournament, without much whinging, acting etc.
do not always blame the ref, the responsibility for a good match is down to the players!

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  • 89.
  • At 12:34 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Paul wrote:

In my opinion, the coverage of the World Cup has been terrible. I started the World Cup fed up with fellow Scotsmen going on about England and 66. I finished the World Cup as fed up with the tv coverage as the rest of the Scottish folk. The saturation coverage of England has been too much. Even now it continues, even though England are now back home, and the fact that the ref for the final sent off Rooney means that it will continue into the final.

If Scotland, N. Ireland or Wales had been in the World Cup, I am sure that they would have not had the same saturation coverage and we would not have been getting half time and full time reports from their training camps. Indeed, at France 98, the tv pundits didn't even discuss some of the main tactical and selection issues surrounding the Scottish team, why? Because they didn't even know them. Whereas with England every selection issue is discussed to death.

I am Scottish, live in Scotland and watch the World Cup because it is the World Cup, not because England are in it. Do I support England? No. Why should I? I am Scottish, not English. I can support who I want (Argentina by the way). Do the English care who beats Germany or Australia at sport, as long as someone beats them? No. So don't start having a go at the Scottish either.

As for your pundits O'Neill, Hansen, Lawrenson etc, they know that their job depends on taking a sympathetic position to anything English, don't kid yourself on. Portugal v. France should have been covered in a neutral fashion without English bias. It wasn't, and you are stirring up all sorts of trouble for Ronaldo when he gets back. You are making him a scapegoat for England's exit, when you only have yourselves to blame. What exactly should Ronaldo have done when he sees a team-mate (in this case Carvalho, not Rooney!) get stamped on? Of course he should have a right to complain about it. Of course the Portuguese throw themselves about and dive about, but what is worse? Stamping or complaining? Having said all that, I am not convinced that the stamp was deliberate.

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  • 90.
  • At 12:35 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Spence wrote:

I really don't think the BBC can come to terms with just how pitiful their coverage has been (of the whole tournament really, but especially since England were mercifully eliminated).

Paul Armstrong's comments are nothing short of affirmation that the problem runs deep.

According to BBC punditry: Portugal create nothing and therefore deserve to go out, yet France create nothing (barring one very debatable penalty) but deserve to progress. Why is that exactly?

"Motty's" persistant references to an "alleged" stamp on Ricardo Carvalho were nothing short of embarrassing.

As for Mr Armstrong's defence of his 'extremely diverse' team of pundits:

- Mark Lawrenson may have played for Ireland, but he is English;

- Martin O'Neill has long coveted the England job (or perhaps the ludicrous salary that comes with it); and

- Alan Hansen - a great Scottish player in his day - who responded to Gary Lineker's query as to how England performed by stating: "We were woeful."

Sickening. Here's hoping for a resounding victory on Sunday for ITV in the ratings, they truly have become the lesser of two whiners.

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  • 91.
  • At 12:37 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Martin wrote:

It is only natural that the commentators will be slightly biased towards Endgland and against any team that defeat them. They are only human and will vent their frustrations with comments that may later prove to be inapropriate. We see the same throughout the world, Itialian commentators are especially biased towards their teams on the international or domestic stage. Football is a great game because it brings out emotions in people and this will inevitably lead to errors in judgement. This goes for the players, supporters and anyone else involved in the game. You cannot judge someones character by these actions. In the end we must remember that football is only a game and we should not Vilify someone for there actions on the pitch. I confess that Ronaldo's behaviour and seemingly arrogant attitude have cast a shadow over his undoubtedly skillful play but we should not condemn him for this.

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  • 92.
  • At 12:39 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Rob wrote:

Keep up the good work BBC. Whatever the opinions regarding the comentators the fact remains that the cameras have exposed cheating. I don't personally value the opinions of the commentators, I can make my own opinion regarding cheating which has ruined this World Cup. The Germans are correct in calling for something to be done to end it.

Regarding Rooney, I don't think he should play agin for England until he too grows up. The sending off was actually predicted at half time by Ian Wright so what was the point of even continuing with Rooney on the pitch. It is that which cost us dearly and for that England can only blame themselves.

Cheating is unfortunately defended by those that support whatever country is being accused as winning has become more important than taking part and the loser is football.

I have seen every World Cup since 1962 but after a bright start, this one has made me wonder whethewr I ever want to see another one as FIFA is obviously incapable of organising an event of this size and stature. I think a clear out at FIFA should be the main issue.

So keep up the good work. People can moan all they like when cheating is exposed but the cameras have shown just how extensive it is.

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  • 93.
  • At 12:44 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Sean wrote:

Got to say I'm a bit annoyed about the comments posted here. Five sixths of the British public are English, this website is payed for by the British licence fee payer. All the foreigners posting anti-English comments here are missing the point that if we were a biased, unfair nation then they wouldn't be able to post the comments in the first place.
Maybe as an individual I am biased, maybe my opinion is not neutral, but I pay the licence fee and I agree with what the world cup presenters said, Portugal are a dirty cheating team, the dirtiest in the competition. If this were sour grapes then why in the past, with every other competition we've gone out of wasn't there a similar castigation of the opponents. The answer is simple we were beaten by fair opposition.
One extra point, after every match the video should be analysed, anyone diving, or falsely trying to get an opponent into trouble should be banned for six months. If this happened two or three times I think this type of cheating would be eradicated almost completely.

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  • 94.
  • At 12:45 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • grc wrote:

England did not get knocked out of the World Cup beacuse of Ronaldo. They were knocked out because, as always, we bottled the penalty shoot out and because we were not good enough to score in 120 minutes against Portugal.
That said, Ronaldo's diving throughout this tournament, and before, has been disgraceful and it overshadows his undoubted footballing ability.
It's not just Portugal though (which doesn't excuse them) - Italians, French, Germans and others have all dived at times in this World Cup.
The only obvious answer is to retrospectively punish divers using video evidence - it is too difficult for referees to determine in most cases.

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  • 95.
  • At 12:47 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Ali wrote:

What's all this rubbish about biased reporting? If you want unbiased reporting from the BBC then watch the BBC news. MOTD is a sports/entertainment program for a predominantly english audience. Of course the pundits are biased. I'm english but live in Italy. Next you will be saying that a italian commentator, commentating on Italian TV is not allowed to scream GOLLL!!! for a minute when Grosso put the host nation out because it is 'biased'. Stick to your own TV if you don't cope with it...

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  • 96.
  • At 12:47 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Les wrote:

I love English club football but am disappointed with the press and fans making a big deal about the Rooney send off. Rooney has a problem with his temper that must be corrected NOW. It seems that everyone in England is overlooking this fact and history. I think that the Ronaldo does not deserved to be black marked for the rest of his life - this was done during that GAME and it is over. Overall, Portugal deserved to be in the last four. England did not show up for the finals - they were a bunch of individuals playing not to lose.

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  • 97.
  • At 12:51 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Superjim wrote:

Les, a good point, but I dont think our negative tactics helped. playing the lad out of position merely seemed to rile him. it would me. still no excuse though. I thought Ricardo was the man of the match in the Semi though. with Zidane running him for 2nd place...

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  • 98.
  • At 12:51 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Pilotasso wrote:

#91 yomo

In Portugal the referee was only been criticized of loosing controll of the game and giving the cards on the wrong players (not necessarily on the dutch).

For example:
We reckon deco could have been red carded the first time, but his second yellow was portrayed as ludricous. This event was carefully analyzed and what we found was that Deco had wrongly assumed the referee had stoped the game, wich the later didnt, but also failed to make himself understand, punishing Deco for time wasting. It was also scandalous how the dutch were allowed to puch Deco to the ground when the game was interrupted. The referree also missed Van der saar's abandonement of the nets to hit Simão Sabrosa. Equaly the referee dismissed a kung fu move on a dutch players chest. The tackle on C Ronaldo should have been a straight red as it was a clear leg breaker.


The game could have easly gone to 8 players on each side but then again it might had not, if only the referee had played well his part and give any authority in the game.
The Dutch coach should have been sent away too for ordering a dutch attack on their own with the game interruped, and this is why I think the game degenerated due to lack of authority.

Anyway, I dont think we should keep crying on spilled milk. This is history now.

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  • 99.
  • At 12:52 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • James wrote:

If anyone thinks that diving is only to be seen on the Continent then you must be mad.

Ronaldo, Drogba and Robben play in the premeirship remember!

Ruined the WC for me. Nothing to do with England going out, that was expected.

A shame the refs could not get to grips with it and make people remeber that fotball is a contact sport and a defendeing player can make contact with an attacking player, not win the ball and it is not necessarily a foul.

The change we need in the game to rid us of this disease has to come from FIFA, Referees, Players and coaches alike.

All very disspointing I think most will agree.

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  • 100.
  • At 12:56 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Gav wrote:

I believe this World Cup has been an excellent advert for football with some fantastic games like Argentina v Mexico and Italy v Germany. There has been a very high standard of skill and most teams have endeavored to play stylish and entertaining football. However, some of this has been overshadowed by the shocking increase in diving and cheating. I saw a game early in the tournament where a player was booked for waving an imaginary card at the referee. Personally, I would like to see this made law that if anyone tries to influence the ref in that way, they should be booked. As for diving, it is difficult for refs as it is not always clear that a player has dived without a TV replay. I do believe the authorities should punish players after games if it is shown they have persistently dived.

The Rooney/Ronaldo fiasco has also left me a bit bemused. I feel many at the BBC have dwelt on Ronaldo's involvement too much. Rooney stamped on Carvalho and for that he should have been sent off. I'm sure if the same had happened to Ronaldo while playing for Man Utd, Rooney would have been the first to complain to the ref. As for the wink, how can we tell what that meant? For all we know, someone on the Portuguese bench shouted encouragement to Ronaldo and he winked as a response but who can tell?

I think we should all enjoy what promises to be a fascinating final on Sunday and look back on an excellent World Cup. Stop the diving and allow football to be played in the spirit and physical manner it always should be.

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  • 101.
  • At 12:56 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Rob wrote:

Good point Les. For England the fear of losing has become greater than the desire to win which is why the team performed so negatively. We have a real problem that must be addressed before it becomes any deeper rooted maybe with an influx of younger talent in several areas.

The cameras have exposed the extent of cheating and it up to FIFA to take the nessessary steps to eradicate it from the game but whether FIFA is even capable is another matter.

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  • 102.
  • At 12:58 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Carlos Silva wrote:

I just find it very funny, that Rooney in the most important moments is capable of doing the most stupid things, and everyone says he's and he'll be a great player. Well if he keeps being a spoiled brat he won't.

Of course Ronaldo should be asking the referee to be lenient of Rooney's act, while his team mate was lying in the ground being stepped in the crotch, another great Portuguese antic teached by Ronaldo.

I think that it'll be much harder for Manchester United to find a player like Ronaldo than for Ronaldo to find a club as big as Man Utd to play.

He's young, 21, and he's already been to a Euro final and a World Cup semi final, and I'm sure he'll have time to win a major tournament.

I'm just sorry he didn't score a goal like Maradona's in 1986. As we say in Portugal, if we have the bad name we should get the profit.

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  • 103.
  • At 12:58 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Zetuga wrote:

I am really sorry to say, but this problem goes beyond football.

This comes from an americaniZation of England where people let themselves down by allowing the media to construct their thoughts..

It is obvious that after the HOL-POR match all the media started firing against POR because of that horrible match. The dutch weren't even mentioned as it didn't matter for ENG...

The ENG-POR was a normal match except for the incident with Rooney. (Yes, Rooney's incident, not Ronaldo's...)

However, and again, because it is in your interest, Ronaldo was the one to blame..

Finally, saying that the commentaries in FRA-POR were unbiased... please, wake up.. Gary Lineker even had a 'Allez les bleus'.....

From my side, I must admitt that I didn't like the fact that we let ourselves down against HOL. I saw that HOL was provoking us, but I think we should have been superior to that. We weren't. However, I cannot accept the blame being given to Portugal as we started we a good attitude despite Dutch violence.

I also didn't like the dives against France. However, they are the same dives Henry made against Spain (1 goal), or Italy against Australia (1 goal), or Lennon against Portugal (no goal, good referee..).

That's it... in ENG-POR I cannot point a finger to any Portuguese player. Yes, Ronald winked to the coach.. In what context? Right, because he framed Rooney.. right....

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  • 104.
  • At 01:03 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Armando wrote:

As far as I know there are precedents of players punished for cheating based on TV evidence - Rivaldo for one. The problem is that this approach only works with extremely blatant cheating, such as diving without any physical contact. In all the "grey zone" cases using video reviews would only exacerbate the whining and sore losing unless EVERY single fall is considered cheating, and then we wouldn't need the video in first place.

However, I do think that the refs could use some form of real-time assistance to better evaluate the circumstances.

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  • 105.
  • At 01:04 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Stu wrote:

I think the BBC were spot on. Maybe Motson was a little over the top, but they got the balance about right.

Yes, Portugal have played some fantastic football in the World Cup, they've also defended well, are well organised and have a good team spirit.

BUT they have un-done all of this with the constant efforts to cheat.

Consider the 2 semi's. Italy v Germany was an exciting, fast paced and often physical encounter. (By the way - England are not the only team who play a physical style). Both sides played to win, and both played fair.

Then consider the next semi final. Thierry Henry wins a penalty after being tackled. Yes, he made a bit of a meal of it, but his standing leg was caught. Aside from that France played fair and tried to stay on their feet as much as possible.

Portugal on the other hand! C Ronaldo made every effort to dive and get players booked. It was such a shame, because when he stayed on his feet he looked fantastic. But his "penalty" appeal was pathetic. If ever there was a legitimate case for retrospective punishment of diving THAT was it.

FIFA will only stamp out this cheating (NOT artistry) by using retrospective punishment.

By the way, I don't agree with villifying C Ronaldo for the Rooney incident, as Rooney got himself in trouble. My opinion of him is based on his blatent cheating in the semi and throughout the World Cup.

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  • 106.
  • At 01:05 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • stuart b wrote:

I'm not sure why it is such a surprise to everyone posting these comments that the BBC has such a biased method of reporting and analysis. Living in Scotland i have been subjected to it all my life - the BBC and English media tends to forget that Britain consists of 4 separate countries and not just England and this was yet again quite clearly evident in it's world cup coverage. Not so much with it's pundits (Hansen, O'neill etc) but certainly within it's Motson commentary. For example referring to the England team as 'we' e.g. "we have to beat Portugal" simply reinforces the thought that the BBC sees itself as only English, and forgetting that as a Scot i also pay a BBC tv licence. It is the arrogance and superiority complex of the English media that is the main sticking point for me. It is this same superiority complex that makes them think pre tournament that they have a world cup winning team (which was entirely non-evident in every single match they played). It is this same superiority complex that produces the scathing attacks on C. Ronaldo etc when they should be looking slightly closer to home for someone to blame (Rooney). It is this same superiority complex that results in such dismay, disappointment and blame culture when England are inevitably knocked out of major tournaments. Can't England just realise and accept that they are just not very good? - it's that simple. Also, and without delving too deeply into a political and historical argument, another thing that really annoys us Scots (and i'm sure Welsh and N.I. too) is the fact that England uses 'God Save the Queen' as it's National Anthem. For anyone who doesn't know, this is the British national anthem, not the English national anthem. This reinforces the myth to the rest of the world that 'Britain is England'. There are many more examples that i could list given enough time and space - And before anyone makes any comments about me just being a bitter Scot - forget it. I have an English partner, close family in England, and was in fact supporting England in the world cup. I was disappointed with the Portugal result. The BBC and English media in general need to change their attitudes. Please realise that:
1 - England are cuurently just not good enough to win a major tournament
2 - Realise and respect that Britain consists of 4 countries
3 - Stop being so bloody arrogant!!!

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  • 107.
  • At 01:06 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Stuart wrote:

Re: Marius, post 89.

Are you asking if i'm serious in that these players would have a very good chance of getting into the England squad?

I hope not. I believe and am very sure that most of the rest of the World / Europe that these players are better than English players - ignore the BBC, Sun, Talk Sport for a minute. These players are all comfortable on the ball, have excellent movement of the ball (which i was truly shocked at how bad England's was), can pass the ball to hurt opposition rather than punting a long ball forward (step forward Messrs Beckham, Gerrard and Lampard).

Alan Shearer was ok earlier in the tournament, but seemed to change his opinions once criticised by players for criticising them and once it became clear that he had been asked to be part of coaching set up next time round and once England went out.

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  • 108.
  • At 01:06 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Dan Hadfield wrote:

I've only read a dozen or so blogs on here and I feel like I've been watching different coverage and different games!

I am absolutely of the opinion - 100% - that Rooney did not intend to stamp on Carvalho for a start - people seem to forget that he was surrounded by three Portuguese players tugging and pulling away at him, and when finally the foot went down, he had his back to the Portugese defender. It was where his foot happened to fall.

It's not because Ronaldo's Portuguese that I dislike him so much (I disliked him before, he's nothing but a young, show-off, glory boy); it's because he had no cause running up and into the melee to exacerbate the situation. Did we not see him head-butt Rooney at the beginning of the game, as 'a joke'? Some joke, eh? Ronaldo knew what he was doing when he ran up to the referee, and he had the bad sense to wink at the bench when the desired effect was achieved. Whether we'd have done the same or not is immaterial - he did it, was spotted doing it, and now my dislike of him is fully justifiable. Thanks Ronaldo, for giving me more ammo.

As for Shearer not diving? Goodness me! Has anyone watched him play? It's not as if he's a slim, fickle sort of chap, is it? I've never known anybody so cunning a diver as Shearer - it's unbelievable! He was the King of Divers!

Final point: the BBC's coverage. Good on them, that's what I say. I'm English, I want an English-orientated programme to enjoy feeling English, with the highs and lows and ramifications. I don't want neutrality when England play - I want my opinions and thoughts dealt with properly on the box, please. The commentators and pundits have been quick to point out our dire football, and it's not like we don't know this is the case. But I don't need them to be Pro-Scolari or Pro-Lippi (if we're talking about cheating, match-fixing, etc. - and they're in the Final for Gawd's Sake - half of them probably ought to be banned from football by the sound of it...)

Now I'm just stirring the pot, obviously.

I felt for Jane, above, who is married to a Portuguese chap with five children. For her kids to be subjected to that sort of bullying at school is shameful, though unavoidable in one sense I'm afraid. The major damage though is on the part of the teacher who made the situation worse with his comments about Ronaldo. He is merely throwing petrol on the fire - he should be ashamed of himself, truly.

Bottom line is that football is the biggest divider and the greatest uniter in the world. No getting away from that. Not everyone loves it, but everyone has to live with it, just about.

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  • 109.
  • At 01:08 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Richard Hurley wrote:

Whilst I would agree that seeing Ronaldo, Postiga, Pauleta, Figo and others in this world cup trip over blades of grass and try to get penalties is disgusting (the game is a contact sport - anyone who wants it to be a non contact sport should try basketball instead), there are a few points that should be cleared up here and now.

- whether it was against Portugal or not, and whether Ronaldo was on the field or not, Rooney deserved red. It's violent play. Full stop. We have seen players sent off for less.

- Absolutely right, Ronaldo did himself no favours through his antics and the infamous wink. Considering he called Wayne his 'friend' in the press afterwards, it would be interesting to hear what that wink was all about.

- England do cheat too you know. Yes - cheat. No it's not pleasant to see Crouch hair pulling, Owen diving (both in 1998 and 2002 let's remember) or, you could say, Lineker diving either (the second, decisive, pen against Cameroon in 1990 seems a case in point - we had all seen you stay on your feet in similar situations before that and after too!). No cheating is not to be lauded in any way - but no gobbing from moral high-ground here please.

- Beckenbauer is right. Get everyone together to get the cheating, diving, card waving stamped out. It stops the beautiful game from being just that.

- On a relative point about Portugal's antics, I think it is fair to say that Portuguese football has been guilty of it. Let us remember the following:
Euro 2000 against france.
World Cup 2002 against S Korea (anyone remember Joao Pinto's attempts to kneecap a Korean and then punch the referee when he was correctly sent off?)
Porto vs Celtic - Uefa cup final.
Deco continually picking the ball up in Champions League matches and petulantly kicking it away/other antics?
TRUE: let us not single Portugal out for it, but let's be fair: they've hardly helped themselves over the past few years.

The main reason we didn't beat Portugal of course, is that we weren't good enough. However, neither Portugal nor England were good enough for the semis I believe. There were better teams who exited earlier.

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  • 110.
  • At 01:08 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Nick wrote:

I'm no fan of Ronaldo but any English player who saw someone stamp on a colleagues knackers would react the same way - FACT

As for the wink, for all we know he may have had a call from the bench to rully push forward as they had the advantage now. The pictures prove nothing.

The BBC's coverage of the semi-final was embarassing to watch. It reeked of sour grapes and left me wondering who from the panel I still have any respect for as pundits as well as commentators.

I never saw a great deal of comment on Henry making the most of the challenge to win the penalty, I'm sure if it was Ronaldo things would've been presented in a very different light.

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  • 111.
  • At 01:09 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Scott wrote:

I wish all you Portugese would get over it. Rooney did not intentionally stamp on Carvalho, so to describe him as an "animal" etc.is a disgrace as he was only trying to hold off several portugese players - all of which would have gone to ground to win a free kick if the roles were reversed.
Ok England were not great, but we are only bitter as Portugal were a poor team - not good enough to score past us for an hour against 10 men, and France could have defended all night. Scolari is also overrated as a coach - he plays Pauleta every game!

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  • 112.
  • At 01:10 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Penny wrote:

Paul Robertson you are wrong! Actually a lot of English people turned their support to Germany after we were knocked out because of the warmth and friendliness the Germans showed us. Also dont exaggerate the antagonism we feel to the Australians - you only have to think back to how the Ashes was played in such a good sporting spirit. Also if Scotland, Wales or Ireland had been in the World Cup most of us English would have been supporting them!!

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  • 113.
  • At 01:12 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Xabi from the halfway line wrote:

Personally as an Englishman i feel ashamed at how the media have whipped up this anti-portuguese frenzy. that is where it has come from. The BBC should make a public apology on behalf Alan Shearer for his comments made. I say on behalf as he should be removed immediately.

all it does is to divert attention from the fact that our team were hopelessly inept at the world cup and none of our players performed to expected levels.

Oh sorry...i forgot....owen hargreaves who was a subject of ridicule for the media justified his inclusion - something that having watched him in the bundesliga countless times was not suprised to see.

Ronaldo was better than any of our players in this tournament and if i was him would jump at the chance to go to madrid*


* as a Liverpool fan i can't understand anyone would want to play for ManUre anyway ;)

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  • 114.
  • At 01:16 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Jonny wrote:

My friend and I watching the game on Wednesday wondered how long into the commentary before the commentators would start talking about England: we were utterly unsurprised when it took less than 5 minutes. The Portugal-Holland game started with a dreadful foul on C. Ronaldo which the referee should have shown a red card. The Portugese played exteremely well in the first half, as I seem to recall being said at the time. It's widely regarded that the referee's antics led to the game getting out of control and becoming awful. The England game featured an appalling foul by Rooney, which quite rightly earned what I think was the first direct red card of the tournament.
There was a ridiculous comment made on one of the channels "From England's perspective, you have to wonder why any of these four teams have to win the world cup", speaking of the semi-finallists. Scottish Tennis star Andy Murray recieved hate mail saying he should have died in the Dunblane massacre that took place at his primary school for not supporting England. Cristinao Ronaldo has played some brilliant football and showed great resolve, but for supporting his attacked teammate, he gets hit by Rooney and then pilloried by the press. The anti-non-England sentiment is terrible. The BBC should provide, through its digital service, an alternate commentry featuring people who are Scottish or something and support the opponents of England, for the sake of balance.

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  • 115.
  • At 01:16 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Feargal Callen wrote:

What we don't like is the way Ronaldo gets pilloried for winking (to whom and for what reason we do not know), while not a sound is made about Rooney stamping with football boots on a person's testicles! Why is there not a sound made? Because he is "your golden boy" and therefore beyond criticism, because one day, just maybe, he might win you the world cup (in your dreams). In fact, he should be in jail.

And as for why your non-English commentators should be biased towards England, have you considered the possibility of self-interest? Since the BBC tries to encourage the myth about England going all the way (also for self-interest, i.e., viewing figures), then why would they employ anyone who did not toe the party line?

Finally, what about Peter Crouch? Are we ever going to hear anything about how he cheated for his one and only 'goal'? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2WxxwYBvrk&search=peter%20crouch%20trinidad You could probably get better footage from German TV if you need it, although I don't imagine you would have the bottle to show it.

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  • 116.
  • At 01:18 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • kennyhemphill@mac.com wrote:

Following the defeat of England by Portugal, MOTD panellists and presenter took an explicit 'anyone but Portugal' stance towards who they would prefer to win the World Cup.

That is bias, pure and simple. Were it the case that Portugal was by far the worst offender when it came to fouling, diving, and cheating, that would be just about understandible, although unbecoming of an organisation like the BBC.

However, Portugal were no worse than most other teams. Personally, I was sickened by the site of Thierry Henry clutching his face in agony after Carlos Puyol blocked him in the chest during the France v Spain game. Yet, that apparently pales by comparison to Ronaldo's wink on Saturday. I was also appalled by Henry's swan-like dive for the penalty (after he'd made sure he couldn't retrieve the ball). That was glossed over by the pundits too.

The pundits made no bones about their delight at seeing Portugal lose, despite being the better team in the semi-final. I honestly thought I'd been watching a different match when I listened to their reaction.

To hear messrs Linekar and Shearer complain about diving and conning the referee made me heartily ill. Has Linekar forgotten Cameroon in 1990?

The BBC has dropped significantly in my estimation as a medium for watching football. Thankfully FiveLive, and Alan Green in particualr are still excellent. At least Greeny had the courage to say that he thought Henry dived and it shouldn't have been a penalty.

Yes Portugues players dive, foul, and con the referee. But so do English players. How many times did we see Premiership matches last season blighted by diving and in particular, players surrounding the referee trying to get another player sent off.

Finally, Jane, your post #14 was superb. I really feel for you. As a Scot living in England with one daughter at school and a son due to start in a couple of years, I pray that Scotland don't ever knock England out of a major tournament (not that Scotland is ever likely to qualify again) or otherwise upset a MOTD panel.

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  • 117.
  • At 01:20 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • mike wrote:

Bizarre reading this, I am confused at how people see this. England deserved to go out, some great players but poorly managed and dissorganised and I dont think that most England fans felt this was a world cup winning team. Why are so many people saying we are poor loosers, everyone I know is quite accepting of the defeat.
Rooney deserved to be sent off, though Im' not as convinced as others that it was deliberate, he wasnt looking at the player and he was trying to accelerate away in the other direction. Christian Ronaldo is a good player but in the France match was clearly trying to get a penalty by simulation. I can only assume he was frustrated at his teams inability to score goals, at no time in either game other than when Barthez attempted to give Figo a goal did I ever think 'Portugal are in here'. I actually think that the vitriol from these responses is anti English xenophobia because we point out that people in a team are cheating, theres no art in that. I also laugh at the suggestion that the Portugal team were amongst the most skillful, some good passing but Mexico, Argentina and Germany looked much better sides as did Italy in the one game.

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  • 118.
  • At 01:22 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Tom LIvermore wrote:

Delighted that so many people have criticised the BBC coverage of the France/Portugal game. Gary Lineker right from the start made a "come on Les Bleus" joke and it went downhill from there. I thought of all the Portugese people living here who tuned in to support their side on a historic occasion for such a small nation and basically heard them being ridiculed and insulted all night. The BBC should be better than that. Shearer was hilarious, calling Portugal, a team unbeaten since Euro 2004, a poor side! He even suggested England, a team unable to win in Northern Ireland, should have been in the final! As for the comments that non English pundits didn't have an axe to grind, They just followed Lineker and gave the tabloid reading viewers what they wanted.

It's no good to say it was just about the Portugese antics. It had everything to do with them winning against England. 3 weeks ago none of the pundits would have wanted the French to win. All of a sudden the home of Messrs Vierra, Henry and Pires are the good guys. It is unbelievable that people can spin an incident to make someone talking to a referee more reprehensible than a player stamping on someone. It could only happen here.

It's the English culture to defend our lads and blame foreigners. That's why we never improve, there's always an excuse and we convince ourselves we were just unlucky. Consequently we will never win anything. Good to see the ref from England/Portugal got the Final. He did well.

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  • 119.
  • At 01:25 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Rob Long wrote:

Baz says 'Just one thought for everyone who says Shearer was inciting violence - his words were, "I wouldn't be surprised if Rooney goes and sticks one on Ronaldo," which is substantially different to, "Rooney should go and stick one on Ronaldo."'

It doesn't alter the fact that Shearer couldn't come up with a more constructive comment, nor his ridiculous, belligerent insistence that English players aren't minded to bend or break the laws, or moan to a ref every now and again. A presenter with more journalistic nous than Gary Lineker would have picked him up on that point straight away.

I just expect a bit more thoughtfulness from a BBC panel.

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  • 120.
  • At 01:26 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • H.F. wrote:

# to sean 98

i am portuguese, i live between the two countries, i actively contribute to the english and portuguese economy and i DO pay the TV license fee in England as well. IN that condition, i feel absolutely betrayed at the type of biased campaign that the BBC put up regarding Portugal.

Please be more intelligent, open up your eyes and mind, this is not 1945. The world is a different place.

And no, it is not the same thing the other way around. The portuguese 'broadcasting corporation' didn't act in the same way at all even following Rooney's vil act. And that tells a lot. Try sending a post in portuguese to all of us to read. Please, please stop this 'former big country' trauma.Get over it. Get on with it!!!


Enough is enough.

H.


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  • 121.
  • At 01:26 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • zetuga wrote:

Hey #28, do you REALLY think that Scolari should have spoken in english rather than portuguese??!

Why is that? 'Not to piss the rest of the world that does not speak portuguese'? ridiculous... what about the world that does not speak english?..

Your comment really shows how small minded you are...

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  • 122.
  • At 01:33 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • peter wrote:

As usual when England get knocked out of a tournament they always look for a scapegoat, all through the years there has always been one and this time it happens to be Ronaldo probably because the BBC and others are to scared to criticise the Golden boy Rooney who definitely deserved to get sent off and in my opinion should get a 5 match ban for his stupidity and arrogance, im sure you at the BBC will not agree with this and will continue your hate campaign against Ronaldo because at the end of the day you still want Rooney to have interviews with yourselves.

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  • 123.
  • At 01:35 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • brian wrote:

As someone (a football fan for 40 years) whos team never made it to Germany I was looking forward to a few good games of skilful football, a few brilliant goals and one or two star players showing how it should be done.
Please wake me up when its all over.
With very few exceptions there has been too many boring games, bad sportsmanship and very little skill in front of goal.

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  • 124.
  • At 01:37 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Kayzee wrote:

Too much is made of diving in England. Yes, dives occur, but that is why we have referees and lines men. However only very rarely if at all does diving decide matches against the better team. How many countries have won the World Cup, European Championship or even domestic leagues solely due to diving - victory unmerited by their overall play. Infact the only country whose victory in a World Cup could largely be attributed to irregularity is England who beat Germany in the 19966 World Cup final by a goal that never was. How many documentaries has the BBC done on this?

It is also an interesting fact that diving for some strange reason is more prevalent amongst the skilful teams than the less technically accomplished. ones. The Argentines, Italians, French, Spanish and Dutch tend to dive more than the English and Swedes, But who would you rather pay to watch, be honest. We all love fluent football, nice passing patterns, sleek dribbles, adhesive close control. That's what you get with the Latin variety, if the cost of that is a few players taking the occasional tumble, so be it. Sexual partners are frequently very manipulative that doesn't mean you stop having sex to avoid being manipulated. English and Scandinavian football is boring, predictable and uninspiring, the priggish brigade who want to spend 90 minutes shouting 'wow what an act of honesty' or 'Great player! he stayed on his feet there, c'mon lets see a replay of that' are welcome to it, the rest of us will take our chances in the real world inhabited by real people, where nobody, yes nobody is completely honest, including you and of course me.

Or have none of us ever told a small self interested fib at work, not been totally honest in filling in forms, been economical with the truth to a customer to protect the company where we earn our living, fibbed to a utility company about when we moved into a house to reduce the bill, earned some money without reporting it to the taxman. Give it a break, football is a profession, people are paid huge amounts of money to play and win. If well paid lawyers tell a few lies to ensure they win cases and maintain their lifestyle, why not footballers. If we want pure and honest football then lets make it 100% amateur, then Zidane can play after his plumbing job, Totti after digging ditches in Rome. Then at least with nothing at stake we'll all sit back and enjoy 'honest pure football'like they used to play it 100 years ago

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  • 125.
  • At 01:40 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • xabi from the halway line wrote:

With regards to Henry's dive, in my opinion he could've done anything he liked on the pitch against spain in that particular game.
he was after all playing against a guy who made racist comments about him and against a team whose fans were booing the french national anthem - the only fans to do so - plus were making monkey noises to the black french players as i entered the stadium

If i was him i would've ran over and dropped my shorts in aragones face at the final whistle.

Everybody talks about diving. to me, the racism is still the most important point. People like aragones and blokhin should be banned from the game for life

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  • 126.
  • At 01:41 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Arjan wrote:


As a Dutch fan I can understand the English fans behaviour towards Ronaldo,however,I also felt that in the game between Holland & Portugal both sides were guilty of cheating, I have watched the English games and cannot understand the Portugal fans attacking the English game, if the Portugal fans feel that the English press have been unfair then I suggest they listed to French,Dutch & German T.V. where the same comments are shared by these countries...Portugal cheated to get as far as they did.
As for Rooney's sending off, he deserved to go, however, Ronaldo should also have been sent off for his amazing cheating.

Oh well!, four years to go..Hup Hup Oranje !!!

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  • 127.
  • At 01:42 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • H.F. wrote:

# 122:

Brilliant post!!!

Please, please stop the double standards!!!

H.

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  • 128.
  • At 01:43 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Pilotasso wrote:

# 118, Scott.

There is no ill feeling torwards Rooney here at all. The fact that is it mentioned by some of my compatriots doesnt mean we are on a campaign to destroy his image as much as C Ronaldo is. Infact Portugals press stopped talking about Rooneys incident the very next day.

Fans keep speaking about it as a defense mechanism in face Of Ronaldo's wich hunt.

The analisys on the press and TV was this: We played the incidednt in slow motion, Some comentators defended Rooney others sawght to find any guilts if possible. Truth is in all fairness we arent still 100% he was either innocent or guilty. We reckon he was unbalanced, we has being hevily challenged, he had to put his foot somewhere, wich he did, the debate was why did Rooney put the foot down as hard as that when he felt contach with Carvalho. Rooney must have known he was there, probably stamped, but maybe was not his intention to hit the groin area. It was the general consensus while he may have not had the intention to injury The portuguese player, the red card was not unfair either, so the matter has been put at rest.

I'de like you English fans knew this from as unbiased view as I could give. Hope the message got through.

My only wish now is to English press get over it and perhaps act more moderatly.

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  • 129.
  • At 01:44 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Geoff wrote:

All this talk of partisanship and sour grapes is distorting something important with respect to diving and teams such as Portugal. At the beginning of this thread, Eduardo points out that teams like Portugal, known for their artistry, are at risk when they play more physical teams. Thus, he argues, diving can be a legitimate form of defense. But in reality, diving hurts the artistic team more than it helps. In this WC, FIFA enouraged refs to call games closely precisely to discourage physical play. But teams such as Portugal took cynical advantage of this, and started 'gaming' the policy for tactical advantage. Had diving been not been taken to such blatantly extreme levels, the refs could have gone on calling games closely, diminishing the physical aspects and allowing the artistic players to shine. Unfortunately, when the world sees great artistic players such as Figo flopping repeatedly on little to no contact -- whatever the retributive or self-defense justification -- the image is an embarrasment to FIFA, and forces them to go back to a game where physical play goes unpunished. Eduardo and other Portugal fans, if they are indeed committed to artistic play, should be very displeased with Scolari, not defending his orchestrated theatrics.

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  • 130.
  • At 01:46 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Stuart wrote:

Re my earlier posts, while I am critical of the BBC TV coverage and its biased commentary throughout the World Cup (not just in the last week), from what i've heard I do think that their Radio coverage has been very excellent throughout. I must admit, however, that I didn't listen in the aftermath of the England Portugal game so cannot comment on it since then.

From the first round of games till now, I think that it has been consistent and with summarisers such as Terry Butcher, Graham Taylor and Martin Jol has people who do not seeem to have been afraid to make valid points about English players/squad/management.

In the future, I would hope that the BBC consider getting Terry Butcher in to to do TV analysis, as well as Martin Jol if he is still managing Spurs. In my view, they would be an infinitely better option than Mick McCarthy, Mark Lawrensen and Ian Wright to name a few.

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  • 131.
  • At 01:47 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • J wrote:

Most people I have been in contact with were not upset at the analysis of the game but with the abhorrent commentating of John Motson who could just not help himself to pointing out how it was such an injustice.

He even said the 'alleged' stmaping! Alleged? Not biased?

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  • 132.
  • At 01:48 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Fimberty wrote:

BBC coverage has been poor in that the over-use of pundits analysing events as though they are themselves master tacticians renders the broadcasts laughable.

Let's look at the evidence:

Hansen - didn't know who Luca (31 goals) Toni is. Hansen, the man of impeccable international pedigree who could play season-long for Liverpool only to be injured whenever Scotland had an international fixture. Such rotten luck, in my view, for that to keep happening.

O'Neill - a man of such pedigree he felt it necessary to explain, live on air to Leonardo, exactly who he was. You could see Leonardo thinking - what is this forest he keeps talking of.

Shearer - a man whose penalty technique was impeccable, but who disliked being found out for foul play (Neil Lennon's head in the run-up to France 98 is an example).

Wright - the man who used to be taunted with 'you'll never score for England' - who always played with good grace and always hung back whenever a flare-up occurred. Always.

One player has stood out as a beacon of quality play, fairness and very high ability throughout this tournament. Usually he gets second billing behind his taller compatriot and partner and is unfairly in his shadow (literally). But due to the injuries around him, he has finally been able to benefit from the attention he has deserved for so long. My hope is that it is he, and he first, who lifts the trophy on Sunday.

Good luck Cannavaro.

Incidentally, he was elbowed in the face by Shearer when Newcastle played Inter a couple of years back. BBC pundits? A quality pack.

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  • 133.
  • At 01:49 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Kenneth Shaw wrote:

Please BBC, drop Motson as a commentator. He over-dramatises everything, RAISING his voice when an opposition player gets within 30 yards of the England penalty area and endlessly speculating feebly about tactics and substitions. He's the ultimate tedious anorak with little original or enlightening to say. I turn down the volume when he's on so I can enjoy the match without his spurious commentary. Send him back to radio please.

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  • 134.
  • At 01:49 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Julian wrote:

I'm a bit offended that as an Englishman, I have been labelled a bad loser. England were never good enough to win the World Cup, I know that and so does everyone I know. But Portugal weren't either, which was painfully obvious to anyone who watched the POR:FRA game.

I though Scolari's and Ronaldo's post match comments about the referree lost them any small amount of dignity they had left after that shambolic diving display against France. They were not good enough and didn't create a single chance all game. Similarly neither did England when we played them.

I'm afraid that while all teams use gamesmanship, Portugal's actions have been thoroughly awful (and I'm not referring to the Rooney incident here, I've no real complaints about that) and have lowered the tone of this World Cup.

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  • 135.
  • At 01:50 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • john barnes wrote:

I find it quite ammusing that the people from Portugal have got so wound up about this, look its quite simple if you don't like it then don't watch it! Don't you have a TV channel of your own? Do we moan about your media coverage? No. Take care of what goes on in your own country.

Secondly I have been out the germany for the world cup and it was excellent, I met some really friendly people, including fans from Portugal. I had several nights out with people we befriended from all over Portugal, and they were very pleasent people. So i am amazed to see such a negative reaction on these posts.

Thirdly I have an appartment in Portugal, I have recently got back from my holiday which was meant to be 2 weeks long, I have come back 9 days early? Why you ask? because the abuse I got over in the city of Lisbon was appauling. I wore my england shirt as i do on many holidays for the first night. I was called insulting names, spat at, bottles broken near my children, and even refused service at one restaurant. I have never had a problem before in Portugal and have enjoyed many holidays there (hence me buying my appartment). On the second day the car outside my flat had been vandalised, maybe because I had an England flag on it. On notifying the police they were very unhelpful and unsympathtic, I was pretty much told in leymans terms, what do you expect if you are wearing an england shirt. I am sorry, am I not allowed to wear the my nations colours in another country? I have been disgusted at the treatment I have recieved and am now going to sell my holiday home and buy one where I am free to enjoy my holidays and have safety for my children e.g Germany. It is not acceptable to aim abuse at me for being english but I can accept that to a degree, but to involve innoccent children who were rightly petrified simply discusts me. So before you start calling English people hooligans, dont contradict yourself and take a look in your own back yard first.

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  • 136.
  • At 01:50 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Mason wrote:

Please forget the diving and cheating debate where England's quarter-final exit is concerned. It's a side issue.
England had other problems which the manager and players could not solve: namely, lack of a balanced team, no attacking play for the full 90 minutes, and a shortage of mental strength to deal with penalty shoot-outs. I only hope the next manager puts all of this right.

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  • 137.
  • At 01:51 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • lisbonrules wrote:

I am Portuguese and I do not subscribe the idea that "diving" is artistry. I agree that it should be eradicated from the game. English were of course awfuly biased (having lived 5 years in London I'm not surprised). The whole anti-EU bias and "euroscepticism" was a creation from the tabloids.I'm afraid it will take years to debunk the stereotype that the Portuguese team is a bunch of divers. Having learned to really like Terry or Lampard or Joe Cole while suffering for Chesea, I think the only way out presently is for every English football fan to support a given team in the Portuguese Premier League. Come on Chelsea! Viva o Benfica!

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  • 138.
  • At 01:53 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • James wrote:

Ian Wright commented during the England - Hungary friendly match before the World Cup that it was acceptable for an England player (in that case, Steven Gerrard) to cheat because "everyone else will do it to us". None of the other commentators challenged him for this opinion.

Why is there this outrage re "cheating" now? Are you so desperate to find an excuse for yet another failure by the England team?

I would suggest that people should read Claudio Ranieri's column on this site. I agree with him. England played without passion, and did not play as a team. The BBC should be asking the coaching staff and the players why this was the case, not finding some Portuguese patsy.

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  • 139.
  • At 01:53 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Michael wrote:

Well, seems as if FIFA reacted. Ronaldo didn't get the young player award even so he should have gotten it, if they would just have been looking at talent. But Beckenbauer and others have in interviews complained about cheating and diving and want to do something about it. Finally. But I actually doubt that Ronaldo will realize why he didn't get the award and why he got booed at in the last game and why people in these forums hate him so much (I don't, I actually feel sorry for him... for not realizing what an unfair player he is).

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  • 140.
  • At 01:56 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Paul wrote:

1) Portugal had a very poor tournament, after seeing the Mexico vs Portugal game I can say they played a very negative, cynical game.

2) The Portuguese players were diving to the extent of comedy - in particular in the France match.

3) If the English players had dived as much as the Portugal team and had gone though - there would be equal amount of criticism from the English press. We do not like cheating and would offer to prefer to lose fairly than cheat so blatantly.

4) English football maybe physical - but remember its roots? It came from a sport which split into Rugby Football and Football (or Soccer). Consider this - it was invented and created to be physical, that is part of the game. The fact that its becoming less physical and more technical is not always a good thing - especially if it creates a climate of diving.

5) Eduardo (3) suggests that the artistic game is seen in Spain, Brazil, France, Argentina, Portugal and Italy. Is this a reason why it should be the norm? What about the Czechs, Scandinavians, Germans, Poles and the myriad of other teams that play the physical game?

6) Eduardo (11) suggests diving is worse than violence. Well - consider the situation.
i] Violence is the time that the controlled aggression of footballers becomes too much and in the heat of the moment becomes violent. A player who gets too caught up in the game and lashes out.
ii] a dive is intentional. It is preplanned and designed to gain an unfair advantage. A player who loses control in the heat of the moment would fight on even if fouled (as was Rooney) and not dive. Diving is the reaction of a player not good enough to win the ball.
Maybe violence is worse in life - but on the football pitch cheating must be the greeater dishonour. (nb. violence in this context is lashing out or reacting badly - not the cynical fouls or "elbows" in the face which are also preplanned. I must state i love rough football but hate violence on the pitch).


Typically the Latin countries look at technical skills as the be all and end all of the game and ignore the physical side. That is fine. But just because they think they are right does not mean it is. We have been playing football for many years and there should be no further softening of the game. If countries want to play a non-contact version of the game then they can - however - it is not football.


7) About the commentator’s responses - I have never seen a totally objective sports commentator in my life. That is why you consider the commentators point of view before taking it as gospel. They are ex-England players, they are the people that the people who pay for the BBC want to see, so if other people don’t like the commentary then turn off. Sport is sport and by the nature you take a side whether it is the fairer team, or your own team.

8) English people do not care if the Scots, welsh or N.irish support us (although we like it if they do) but we detest the typical "we support anyone who plays against you attitude". That unfortunately is petty minded, parochial racism. I am sure we all do it from time to time, however, I am British, I always say I am British and to me that means something. It is sad that the Scottish do not seem to value that at all.


**Good luck France for the final!**

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  • 141.
  • At 01:56 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Ross wrote:

As a Scot, I expect a lot of coverage about England from the BBC every time a major tournament comes on. However, some of the things that have been said from the pundits and commentators are an absolute joke. For example,during the France vs Portugal game, when Carvalho got booked ruling him out of the tournament, old Motty said

"Well I don't mean to seem spiteful, but he was one of the players that was involved in the, er Wayne Rooney incident. He was of course, the man who Rooney, umm, allegedly stamped on...""

Then cue Shearer's classic about how very few players from the last 4 would make the England team. Aye right, I would pick Michael Carrick over Gattuso any day.....

I just find it shocking that the BBC have made Ronaldo the enemy when it was Rooney stamping on Carvalho's crown jewels that got him sent off. Anyway

Scolari 3 - England 0

Roll on Euro 2008 for 42 years of hurt..

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  • 142.
  • At 01:57 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Damon wrote:

Some of the comments on here are laughable. I'll set the tone by firstly saying that I'm English.

1. Rooney was an idiot and deserved to get sent off.
2. Ronaldo has been a disgrace with his diving and cheating. It's not new, he does it in the Premiership every week. He's not the only person to do it, but I was also surprised to see Henry against Spain. His "dive" against Portugal simply an exaggeration of what was a foul, imo. You can argue about whether that is "clever" or not all day long...
3. Do people really expect commentary to be absolutely 100% impartial, when it involves their home country? Think before you answer.
4. Following on from the above, before chastising the BBC how many of you have watched other nationality's commentaries and can say, without question, that they are 100 impartial?
5. And following on again, people seem to have forgotten that these same presenters also berated the England team, the manager and their performances on many occasions (more so than they praised them). How convieniently forgotten when people want a way to discredit the pundits.
6. There are also comments on here about pundits "laughing, joking and taking the mic". Wow, wouldn't the show commentary be fun if it were presented in a monotone, humourless manner?
7. To go back to the Rooney/Ronaldo incident and the backlash for Ronaldo. There are few people who think that Rooney was in the right, but that's a given and he received his punishment. We do not (and should not) want cheating/referee presure etc in our game. Whilst the English game (Premier League etc) is not perfect it is hugely better than many leagues. As an example, Chelsea fans last year were booing Drogba (their own player) for diving. It should not be accepted. To say that we only mention diving from opposing teams out of "sour grapes" is incorrect - we will chastise our own players for it.
8. Just forget it and move on. Italy vs France in the final, and to be honest, I hope that football is the winner.

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  • 143.
  • At 01:57 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Tom wrote:

No bias BBC really!!! Who are you trying to kid. To say you showed no bias is as disgraceful as Rooney saying his stamping was accidental.
Sour Grapes yes. Enough to start your own vineyard.

In addition if your pundits are so bored by the last 16 stage of the tournament. GO Home and leave the rest of us to enjoy it.

I for one would rather suffer those two annoying american bods and countless other ads than tune in again to the BBC for this world cup. Now that really is saying something.

Pathetic BBC simply pathetic.

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  • 144.
  • At 01:57 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Joao Moreira wrote:

I´m so proud to be Portuguese. We lost to France in the semis and i don´t see nothing like this in our press or TV against France, we don´t blame no one for our defeat, we just learn, next time we will be stronger.
I'm sure that all the English in holidays in our country are having a great time, treated by the Portuguese like kings, we continue trying to speak to them in English so they can have the best of times and feel at home. Do they deserve? now I'm not just so sure.
This is just a game, some times the game gets nasty, some times the player fake injuries, some times they are wonderful, some times they win and some times they don´t, and we see and we get sad or happy. It´s a game, just a game.

Just remember that we are a great and proud nation with a 1000 years history and we deserve respect...

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  • 145.
  • At 02:00 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Michael wrote:

I think the funniest (or strangest) thing about this whole debate here is that both fans of England and Portugal seem to feel betrayed in a way. Makes me realize that fans all over the world are more or less the same. It's just different teams they cheer for... :-)
BTW, did you realized that in the final both fan groups will actually have the same cheering for their team? "Allez Les Bleus" means "Go Blues" and "Forza Azzuri" means... exactly, "Go Blues". Another proof that all fans are the same.

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  • 146.
  • At 02:01 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • David Currier wrote:

Can someone please tell me how the BBC get away with the drivel that's been spouted by their commentators and analysts every night during this World Cup?

Some examples from the other evening.....
Portugal's Carvalho is booked during the France game. John Motson's comment:"I don't mean to sound spiteful, but he was one of the players involved in Rooney's alleged stamp". What????? That's right Motty and he's still hoping that once Wayne stops whinging he finds time to pick his 'cobblers' off his studs and return them to their rightful owner.

But best of the night goes to Alan Shearer who said "Looking at the four teams in the semi-finals, there's not many players you would have in the England team. Zidane, Henry, Cannavaro, Ballack maybe." Erm, sorry Alan but how about -Buffon, Lehmann or Ricardo before Robinson. Lahm, Zambrotta, Thuram before Neville or Cole. Let's try Pirlo, Gattuso, Ribery, Viera or Makelele before Beckham, Gerrard, Cole or Lampard and how about a striker like Klose that actually scores before Crouch or Owen.

Funniest of the evening had to be the gormless Motson ably abetted by sweet pea Lawrenson. Camera pans the stadium and notices Abel Xavier in the crowd Motson says "We have an Abel Xavier lookalike in the crowd"Lawrenson: "John, that is Abel Xavier" .......Classic!

Motty please hang up your sheep skin coat and retire peacefully to Eastbourne....you're becoming an embarrasment......and Alan Shearer if you believe there's a future for you in broadcasting after your performances in the last few days you must be having a laugh.

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  • 147.
  • At 02:01 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Alec Johnson wrote:

To me, all this as just been something for us English to vent our frustrations upon, Shearer, Lineker and Wrighty all being English too.

I thought it was quite funny that what seemed to be the whole crowd at the Portugal/France game booed C Ronaldo, I can't imagine there were that many English there to influence the whole stadium. Perhaps the French fans were trying to put him off his game as well.

I don't have a problem with the BBC getting all one sided and cheering on France, Portugal knocked England out days earlier, the BBC is a British organisation and so is bound to present things from a British, and in this case English perspective. Well Done to the BBC, the diving montage was really enjoyable, laughable and worth showing, i don't recall the French players droping all the time when someone sneezed near them.

Finally, the deal is, in England, that the diving type of play is not acceptable, as Mr Ronaldo soon discovered after he arrived at Manchester United. It has become a lesser part of his game since then, but it is the way a lot of other European teams play. You'll get berrated for ruining the game by doing that here, but to other football cultures, it is viewed as a skillful way of obtaining a free kick or even a penalty. It's the "win at all costs game". in England we play "the beautiful game" instead.

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  • 148.
  • At 02:01 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Patricia Lalla wrote:

I'll be watching ITV's coverage of the World Cup Final - because the Match Of The Day team have let their disappointment over England's exit spoil their coverage of the rest of the tournament for us the audience, which I stress is the most important factor in all of this.

I want to be informed and entertained, it's the World Cup! - yes the 'World' Cup with other countries (not just England) with great players like Zidane participating. How could I truly enjoy the semi-final on Wednesday when the panel soured the evening with references to Portugal and lamenting England's 'golden generation'. It's irrelevant that not everyone on the panel was English - it was their attitude.

They blamed C Ronaldo, blamed Sven, blamed everyone else apart from the English players who are simply not good enough at this moment in time to go all the way - this is ironic given that this fact hasn't been faced by Gary Linekar and Co who haven't won a World Cup between them. Interesting that Leonardo and Desailly did not participate in what was a glorified chat down the pub where some disgruntled has-beens set the football world to rights.

How about getting some fresh blood on Match Of The Day? - the cosy old boy's club is looking tired and dated in the 21st century.

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  • 149.
  • At 02:02 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Steve Page wrote:

There are some major misconceptions amongst the inordinately large number of Portuguese posting on here about English attitudes.

1) We DO NOT think we should have won the World Cup. We know we just weren't good enough. Not even the most deluded person thinks that and no-one has said that.

2) We do think England should have performed better and largely blame the tactics. Playing Rooney on his own up front is folly as he is a secondary striker. It is also a mistake to try and shoehorn the best players into the team ignoring the balance of the side.

3) No-one says English players are whiter than white. Sometimes our players do dive. When our players dive, still fairly rare, they do so to try and get a penalty. Portuguese players do it far more often and also dive in order to get players booked.

4) I would be deeply ashamed of the way Portugal played against France if I was Portuguese. Not only did they dive embarrasingly often but they wasted the opportunity afforded by France's decision to sit back and defend their lead.

5) There is no comparison between Henry's penalty and Portuguese diving. There was clear contact on Henry and whilst he could have stayed on his feet if he had wanted to it was a foul. Not really cheating but I would have preferred him to stay on his feet and shoot. Portugal adopted tactics of jumping into people and falling over. It was disgraceful and if widely adopted will kill football. Diving and faking injury is not a noble art it is cheating.

6) Ronaldo is not a scapegoat. He is vilified for conduct we don't like in England, asking for a player to be sent off. We want to win but we want to win 11 v 11. Winning at all costs isn't part of the English mentality. That he dived against France has only added to the dislike. Don't forget we've seen him play and dive for Man United so it is not a sudden opinion.

7) As for this idea that it is a cumulation of bitterness from Euro 2004 as well that is nonsense. I was in the Estadio do Luz 2 years ago and will happily admit that Portugal deserved to go through on that occasion. England took an early lead and then sat back to defend it. One of the worst features of Eriksson's reign was defending 1 goal leads and we didn't deserve to win due to the negative play. Once we went behind we played much better and were very unfortunate to have what appeared to be a good goal disallowed. After the penalty shoot out I shook hands with the Portuguese around me in the stadium and wished them luck in the final. I enjoyed my time in Cascais, Lisbon and Guimaraes (Italy v Bulgaria) and I'm not one to hold a grudge outside of football.

8) Portugal were certainly not better than us this time round, we were the better team with ten men and had the best chances (such as they were). Portugal lacked invention up front and couldn't open up our defence. They just happen to be better at penalties than us but then so is everyone.

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  • 150.
  • At 02:02 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • CHRIS wrote:

The BBC world cup presenters (Alan Shearer, Gary Liniker and Alan Hanson are biased against any other football team in the world cup now England are out. God knows how they managed to get there in the first place as they are hopless as a team.
As for Wayne Rooney he deserved the RED card and should take the blame and act like a man for a change and not the temper tantrum brat that he is. Blaming Cristiano Ronaldo for getting him sent off is just childish and the English press are just making a scapegoat out of Cristiano Ronaldo as they need to blame anyone else instead of the real culprit (Wayne Rooney). Cristiano Ronaldo is a more talented and skilled footballer than Wayne Rooney will ever be. Get your eyes tested and check the replay of this uncontrolled act of violence by a so called English football player.

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  • 151.
  • At 02:02 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Richard Hurley wrote:

Ultimately, England are as bad as Portugal in the sense of senseless violent play and cheating/diving/etc throughout the years: let's also remember Crouch vs T&T, Owen vs Argentina (both in 1998 and 2002). And as for Lineker's 2nd penalty against Cameroon in 1990: well, debatable to say the least Gary!!!

Anyhow, I was sickened to see some of the antics of many teams and players in this tournament. However, with Portugal it does seem to be a case of being hoisted by one's own petard. What do I mean? Well:

1) The mass attempt to lynch the referee and Figo stomping off against France in the Euro 2000 semi-final.

2) The crude attempt to kneecap a South Korean in world cup 2002. Yes Joao Pinto I mean you. Oh - and the fact that he then punched the referee in the midrift upon getting his utterly deserved red card.
And to think that Portugal have the nerve (like the Italians and, somewhat less so the Spanish) to insist that they were conspired against.

3) Deco proving his name is mis-spelled ever-so-slightly by consistenly kicking balls away, picking them up and running off, and general petualance and time-wasting of the nastiest sort. Sorry - but the really great players may cheat occasionally, but this is just proving how much of an average player he actually is.

Sorry if this seems nasty, as it isn't, Rooney deserved red for what was dangerous play (irrespective of Ronaldo's 'involvement'), but Portugal have a recent history of theatrics and some dirty play. Porto vs Celtic proves it wasn't just the national team too.

However, let's be fair: everyone else can be just as guilty

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  • 152.
  • At 02:03 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • steve hyp wrote:

let's get a few things in perspective. The Por:Ned game for which the referee got lambasted over was a disgrace. Neither team helped him and to blame him for the number of yellow card and red cards is a joke. Ned. deliberately went out to get Ronaldo immediately from the kick off. Van Bommell has proved himself time and time again to be a nasty piece of work. Deco deserved to be sent off for his yellow card offence. Figo also deserved to go for his head butt ( it was ironic however that it was van bommell who continually gets away with foul play who was on the receiving end). the dutch players were a disgrace. At the end of that match i probably had more sympathy for the portuguese then the dutch. Arjen Robben being a particularly bad diver.
In regards the portugal england game. England were poor as they had been throughout the tournament and did not deserve to go through. The antics however of some of the portugal players in that game and in the France game was very very poor. Is it not interesting that the french fans picked on ronaldo in particular. Some of the dives he was in midair before anyone got near him. He should have been booked as should have postiga. The sad thing is that it is spreading. Henry has obviously decided that if you cannot beat them then join them and has discovered the ability to go down a bit too easily, however with everything to do with Henry, he does it with grace.
England players are not innocent either. Most english fans would accept a few incidents against argentina when one michael owen has gone down in the area
Portugal are reaping the cost of thier own previous actions and it is really about time Fifa got to grips with it perhaps they can have someone in the stand reviewing the video who could communicate that to the ref.
As for the alleged bbc bias. Those of us with cable digital tend to press the red button and listen to the 5 live radio commentary instead. At least bbc give us that option wheras ITV has commentary has tended to deal in rather annoying and patronising comments like "the plucky africans" or "they will be more used to the heat" when the "they" in question all play their football in europe and had done for a number of years.

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  • 153.
  • At 02:08 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Kieron wrote:

A few points on the England/Portugal debate. First, England were fairly poor throughout the tournament and deserved to get knocked out. Second, Rooney was stupid to react as he did and can't really complain about the red card.

Finaly, ss for Portugal, the BBC commentators did lay into them, but rightly so. There have been a number of teams and players guilty of diving in the tournament, but perhaps none more so that Portugal. Ronaldo and (even more so) Figo do cheat, by trying to con the referee at the first hint of contact and often even without contact. The attempts to get a penalty against France were nothing short of embarrassing and FIFA should fine players after the game if the referee is not able to see the cheating in real time. This applies equally to other offences. Figo is a thug with talent and should have been banned after his headbutt against Holland.

Finally - Ronaldo - you just do not do that to a club teammate. Sorry, but don't bother coming back to Old Trafford unless you apologise.

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  • 154.
  • At 02:09 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Ernie Bilko wrote:

It's not the impartiality that is hard to stomach it's the hypocrisy. The so-called experts gloatingly pontificate how the British game is whiter than white compared to other nations.
Shame the same analysis wasn't offered for the two challenges on Michael Owen resulting in two blatant dives and subsequent penalty awards in the last 2 world cups against Argentina. While we're at it can we see Steven Gerrard's tumble against Hungary.

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  • 155.
  • At 02:10 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Kevin wrote:

As a scot, i find this whole conversation really rather amusing. The BBC is undoubtedly the best in the business but their converage of England games is terribly biased. We're used to it, we expect it, ITV as just as bad so it's par for the course. I have no real problem with it because I expect Scottish TV to do the same for our games.

The funny thing is I am one of the few people up here that believe Rooney did nothing wrong. He was off-balance because he was being fouled and put his foot out to steady himself, carvalho was just unfortunate to be in the way (although if he hadn't been fouling rooney in the first place he wouldn't have been). Portugal, on the other hand, have disgusted me for years. From their antics at euro 2000 against france, then 2002 then 2004 and again in this tournament I have never seen a group of players have so little respect for the referee, their opponents, or football as a sport. Their behaviour is consistently nothing short of criminal and I would sincerely love to see FIFA take action against them.

I realise that the media reaction after the england game was over the top and borne out of bitterness, but the message was right. If it takes misbehaviour against England to highlight this then so be it. I'd rather they had been dealt with a long time ago and it hadn't come to this "ronaldo hate campaign" though.

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  • 156.
  • At 02:10 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • James wrote:

Paul (146) must be joking if he seriously thinks that the English press would criticise an England team that won from cheating. Michael Owen's dive against Argentina in 2002 being an obvious example. I don't recall many English pundits saying "oh no, England didn't deserve to win, the game should have finished 0-0 because the only goal came from cheating".

Hypocrites.

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  • 157.
  • At 02:11 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Gareth wrote:

The defenders of the BBC appear to be suggesting the BBC is taking a moral stance against bad sportmanship or "simulation" and nothing at all to with the fact England lost.

This is clearly new to the 2006 World Cup as I cannot remember Michael Owen being castigated by the pundits in a similar manner for his two, ahem, "clear" penalties against Argentina in 1998 and indeed 2002.

As such I fear the BBC should be applauded for this new found adherance to sportsmanship!

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I think the whole tournament has suffered at the hands of these fouling, cheating idiots. Not just the Portuguese, but *all* the teams that have had to resort to foul play to get through.

France, for example, should never have made it to the final. They put Spain out via a pathetic dive by Henry, holding his face when it wasn't even touched, giving them the free kick that won them the game.

And again, against Portugal, he made a blatant dive in the penalty area when none was required. It was already a foul, so why did he dive? The penalty should have been awarded, but Henry should also have been red-carded for such pathetic play acting.

The incident of Peter Crouch pulling the Trinidad players' hair was indeed a sorry affair, just as bad as any other I've seen in the tournament. And as an England supporter I'm disgusted to see one our players do this at such a prestigious event.

However, other than this one incident we were one of the best-behaved countries at the tournament. How many times have our players fouled or dived otherwise? It's not something that we enjoy doing, revel in, or rely on to win.

The Portuguese on the other hand, seem to almost be proud of the underhand tactics they have to use to win a tournament. How many times did Ronaldo play for a penalty by going over in the box during the second half against France, when in fact no-one was touching him? Five times? Name one other player in the World Cup that's behaved even half this disgracefully. Add to that Figo's head butt, which should have been a red card but wasn't, Ronaldo's taunts to Rooney and trying to head butt him just before the match, and then Scolari's scuffle with the ref after the final whistle - you can't win anything fairly can you?

If the only way you can get anywhere is by cheating, it shows just how bad your team actually are at football. They can't really play at all.

If I was Portuguese and they were to lift the cup from playing the way they've played, I'd be embarassed and disgusted to say that I supported them.

Can any of the Portuguese fans say they're actually proud?

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  • 159.
  • At 02:14 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Shingo wrote:

Message for Mr.Ronaldo, diving is cheating and should be stamped on... just don't ask Rooney.

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  • 160.
  • At 02:14 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Ben wrote:

Portugal is one of the lovliest countries in the world, with the best beaches and friendliest people. I would love to live there.

It therefore amazes me that their team has such an appalling attitude to The Spirit of the Game. A lot of the arguments above seem to centre around the whole Rooney incident, but to be frank that has absolutely nothing to do with what happened in the Portugal v France game. No matter what the BBC said about the game, they did highlight the fact that there were numerous clear dives by Portugal players, with absolutely no contact made. I find this behaviour reprehensible and I do believe that referees should send players off for clear incidents of playacting. They might get a couple wrong, but the message would be clear.

Can one person on here present a sound defence of the Portuguese team's attitude against France, without making reference to England vs. Portugal incidents?

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  • 161.
  • At 02:15 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Greg wrote:

Does anybody think for a moment the Portugeuse coverage would be non-bias?

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  • 162.
  • At 02:16 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Dan Smith wrote:

Oh please, I can see why the quality of BBC's coverage has gone downhill so quickly if this is the attitude of the editor of the shot for heavens sake.

O'Neill lost an UEFA cup final against Portugese opposition who he percieved to be cheating, so not true to make out he was a total neutral.

Mark Lawrenson may have played internationals for Ireland but hs accent rather gives away the fact he's as English as you or me.

Holland v Portugal was not a "horrible game"? It may not have been one for the purists (more on this in a bit) but for drama and excitement it was one of the best games I've seen this or any other World Cup. ALSO, Holland dived far more than Portugal and it is utter nonsene to suggest otherwise.

Do you see now why it was so stupid of you and your colleagues to try and defend Ian Wright saying that English players diving was acceptable? NO ONE in the studio that match tried to take issue with him when he said that, and that means you are in no position to take a moral high horse. Unlucky but you made your bed, now you have to lie in it.

And would you care to explain why your "experts" spent more time on Saturday talking about Ronaldo's reaction rather than Rooney's act of stupidity?

From the bench each incident may very well have looked like a penalty, how dare you have a go at Scolari when, after he had viewed the incidents on tv, acted with great digity at the post match press conference?

One further thing, do you seriously honestly agree with Lineker and Shearer when they say that none of the players who appeared in the semi finals would get into England team? I thought those comments showed up everything that has been wrong with the BBC's coverage at this world, constantly overrating the England side, constantly underrating every other side.

I will be watching the final on ITV and I hope others unimpressed with the pathetic coverage we got on Wednesday evening will do the same.

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  • 163.
  • At 02:18 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Stuart wrote:

England players have regularly dived in this World Cup (And the previous two for that matter, including Shearer) it's just that they are much more efficent at disguising it. Diving outside the area in order to try and score from the resultant free kick is a major part of the England tactics. The people in the media know this goes on but overlook it.
You could argue that England cheat because everyone else does, that's as maybe, but do not perpetuate the lie that we are angels ourselves.
Motson's commentary the other night was disgraceful, it was as if Carvallio had made Rooney tramp on his privates!

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  • 164.
  • At 02:18 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • rebecca wrote:

there is no such thing as absolute objectivity in journalism- never has been, never will be. so for those of you who seem to have been expecting it from the bbc world cup coverage, and declare yourselves to have been 'hurt' and 'disillusioned' by the apparent lack of it, well, put those rose-tinted glasses aside and welcome to the world. some comments seem to revere the bbc too much and as a media house it does a lot of great work. but it is still a media house like any other, staffed by people with their usual biases and prejudices.

in all likelihood, you indulge in partiality yourself, too, and i doubt sticking a mic in your face and giving you an audience of millions would change that fact much. add to the mix the emotive subject of football and we can all just sit back and listen to the familiar sound of relative bias.

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  • 165.
  • At 02:21 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Miguel T. Pinto wrote:

To john barnes #141

im portuguese (from the north tho not lisbon) and can only apologise for that. if you were in the country during euro2004 you wouldve seen portuguese and greek fans celebrating together after the final and its not something that normally happens.

i have to say tho, that i live in london and definitely didnt consider wearing portuguese tshirts or other gear just because its plainly obvious what wouldve happened had i been walking past a pub after the match...

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  • 166.
  • At 02:22 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • ScotlandinWorldCup wrote:

As a Scotsman I was more than happy to see England knocked out by Portugal and I think the referee was right to send off Rooney, but Ronaldo didn't really cover himself in glory by speaking ot the ref. Having said that only Rooney was to blame (although I'm not convinced it was delibrate). I thought in the game against Holland the Dutch were at least as bad (or worse) than the Portugese and the comments from Mark Lawernceson, John Motson etc are a joke - if an English player dives (eg Gerrard against Hungry) and time wastes (Robinson against Ecuador) it is clever play if other teams resort to gamesmanship they jump all over them. We all agree that we would like tosee this sort of behaviour removed from football, but it will be difficult and when referees such as the one on Wednesday night don't give yellow card for the worst display of diving I have ever seen it is not going to get better in the near future. I think for various reasons most neutrals are happy to see the end of both England (dull boring footabll) and Portugal (blatant cheating and against France to even good quality cheating) in this competition.
Allez les bleus et allez Zizou!!!

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  • 167.
  • At 02:22 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • BrunoAlves wrote:

About the media:
-the image of english media thru out Europe is that with the exception of a few most of them suck. In Portugal is not so bad but it´s heading that way, it´s ll about selling.

About "diving", it´s a fact, portuguese players do dive, in the near past it was worse
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bout discipline, the Euro 2000 and the World Cup in Korea wore the exceptions, besides that we are not known for being violent, the Premier League is far more violent than our Super Liga, it´s rare to see players getting seriously injured for a long time due to violent tackles.

About the national teams, England is allways considered to be a serious challenger for the WC, but the fact is that you don´t have a side good enough, you have 4-5 excellent players (Lampard, Terry, Gerrard, Joe Cole and MAYBE Rooney), that is not enough, Portugal only has one bad player for the type of game practiced, Pauleta,. In few words, only Rooney or Owen could be in our starting 11 easely, the remaining NO.

The problem about english fans is that they keep seing Portugal National Team and clubs as 2 line teams in Europe, and that is why they usually loose against us.

A good idea: next time a game between both countries occurs, join the BBC expoerts of football and add the great expert of Portugal, Gabriel Alves!!! No one would see the game, because everyone would be laughiong all the time
Ps.: Sorry about my english
Go Portugal!!! Go England!!!
Out with the bad media!!!

Ps.: Sorry about my english

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  • 168.
  • At 02:22 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Leen wrote:

Ok, I am a Dutch supporter, and I can honestly say that yes, both sides were to blame in Por-Hol. Mainly the ref... I agree on cracking down on certain crimes, but he was way too loose, and after a while it broke morale (you could see that after the dutch didn't give the ball possession back to the portugese after an injury... they're usually very good about that, they were just really frustrated). I remember seeing Deco after he'd been sent off laughing with Boularouz...(by the way, where's the mention of Deco? such a talented player, Figo is the one i have the problem with, and there he really did get a player sent off due to his play acting).
As for Ronaldo... what he did, all players do. Again, in an earlier match with Holland, one player fell, and asked the ref to give a card, which the ref did, to him!!! my favourite moment. But ronaldo didn't do that, and I didn't see anything exceptional about his so called 'interference'. As far as I could tell, it was a well deserved red card. As to why England lost, they played a lacklustre game (as did Portugal), and in my mind, both didn't deserve to get much farther. It was one of the few matches that was a bore to watch.
Portugal did well for a small country (it gives hope to all other small countries), and if their players do dive, maybe they're worse at it than others because ppl notice it more (like someone mentioned, Ballack was pretty bad clutching his face after minimal contact!). Diving is a bore, but with a good ref, players soon see it's useless, so that's really all that's necessary.
This whole thing is just the media... and i dislike the british press in this respect anyway. Yes, you build up to the WC, but their portrayal of England and how absolutely fabolous they are were enough to put me off the English team. That and their continual search for a scapegoat other than themselves for failure. Seriously, that's part of good sporstmanship, to accept defeat graciously! And how do you expect to improve if you don't think there is anything wrong? Cummon!
PS one last comment, someone mentioned about the Arg-Hol competetiveness or the lack thereof... it was the hardest group, and if weren't that i'm for holland, i would say a real pity about ivory coast.

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  • 169.
  • At 02:23 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Dave Cab wrote:

As a Scot and neutral fan of all football games throughout the World Cup (I wasn't particularly bothered whether England won or lost), I have to say that the replays of the Portugese players and Scolari shown by the BBC after the England v Portugal and France v Portgual games showed CLEAR evidence of diving and cheating by the Portugest players and a great lack of grace in defeat. Of course, Crouch and other English players did engage in some unsporting behaviour during England's games, but to compare these events with the actions of the Portugese is like comparing a street fight with a world war.

The BBC had a duty to report on these incidents because it is only by doing so that the authorities may take some action against such tactics. These tactics are completely unacceptable. The point made above that two of the panel were Scottish and Irish is evidence for the lack of bias of the BBC, although admittedly Lineker, Motson and especially Shearer did make irresponsible comments which I can in no way condone. For me, the Portugese spoiled the tournament and I was glad to see them knocked out by France. If they had got to the final it would have been lamentable.

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  • 170.
  • At 02:27 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • VF wrote:

I must agree that the BBC was not being fair ESPECIALLY in the POR-ENG and FRA-POR matches.
Unfortunately Ronaldo will suffer the same faith as Maradona did, and that is especially as Portugal knocked out England. I thought it was sad seeing the hurt from the POR-ENG match being carried forward into the FRA-POR match.
We all know of some England players that spend more time on the ground then playing. The match officials refereed the game. Every team had players diving and so on. Show me one team that did not. Then you probably were watching basketball or golf and not football. Lets be sportsman and accept what happened in the games. It was all part of the game. Whatever happened, happened. Lets enjoy the Semi Final and Final - without England...... J O K E S ! ! !

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  • 171.
  • At 02:28 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Simon wrote:

I am one of the quieter majority - I enjoy football but am noy obsessive, support a team but don't watch often. By the end I was actually glad Englad went out they simply weren't good enough. Rooney was as guilty as hell.

I wish some of the 'we've got 7 world class players' brigade would watch the France-Brazil game - we wouldn't live with either if we tried a 100 times. All this hype is a product of one-sightedness and ignorance about world football. There is not a single English player I would put in world X1.

The BBC has fallen from previously high standards into bovine nationalism and stereotyping - following the latest fad whether it be a player/formation/comment/country and trotting out unexamined drivel. The longer people like Shearer go on believing everything is best sorted out with fists then the longer we will go on as perennial losers. Let's get sports coverage back to being purely objective with neutral commentators and summarisers.

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  • 172.
  • At 02:29 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Newrone wrote:

In a quest for perspective...

A French commentator from a bar in Portugal reported that every dive from the PORTUGUESE players, especially Ronaldo, during the Portugal-France match, was bemoaned and booed by the Portuguese supporters there.

An encouraging show of respect for fair play on the part of Portuguese fans.

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  • 173.
  • At 02:29 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Vince wrote:

Paul,
As many people have pointed out here your politician-like stubborn denial of what is patently obvious is just an insult to our intelligence.
I appreciate it must be difficult not to be partisan towards England but if we wanted ill-informed, myopic comment we would watch ITV. (Please don't make us!)
For me, Motson referring during the France v Portugal semi-final to Rooney having "allegedly" stood on Carvalho was just one particularly memorable instance of bias. Indeed, much-loved as he is perhaps it's time to retire Motty?
Oh and one other little niggle: there's really no excuse for your on-screen staff having got through the whole tournament without learning how to pronounce "Pirlo".

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  • 174.
  • At 02:30 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Martin Gibbs wrote:

Joao, I'm sure nobody would show disrespect to Portugal as a nation. This is a discussion about football and the BBC coverage of the tournament; in particular their focus on Portugese tactics. I for one believe the BBC have been even-handed and their presentation entertaining. As somebody has already pointed out in this thread, the pundits were as scathing about English tactics and inept performances as they have been disgusted about Portugese cheating, and lets not pull punches here; cheating it indeed was. It wasn't just France who won when they knocked out Portugal, it was the game of football itself. Cheating is a cancer which will kill the game and although Portugal were by no means the only culprits they were by far the most prevalent and most cynical. Ronaldo in particular is a disgrace. He has taken his regular antics in a Man Utd shirt to a whole new level in his national one. This sort of thing HAS to stop and the BBC is quite right to name and shame and I hope it continues to do so into next season, even if it means my beloved Chelski getting a hammering.

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  • 175.
  • At 02:30 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Brian wrote:

As Paul Armstrong says in his blog, Sunday's Final is the only time the BBC goes head to head with ITV.
Well, I can tell you without any doubt the beeb will lose heavily!
I find Itv's coverage watchable, nothing special, but still FAR superior to the rubbish presented by the BBC!!!
Like most people, my problem lies with the biased commentaries of Motson, and drivel spouted by Lawrenson.
Thank god for the "no commentary button" and radio "five live" which is a far better option than having to listen to those two bitter buffoons Motty and Lawro!!!
In the studio it's almost as bad with Linekar, Shearer and especially Wright, sitting with miserable faces, pouring out bitter scorn at opposing nations for having the damn cheek to challenge the England players during a world cup tournament!
You can keep your coverage BBC, I'll be watching the other channel to save myself the agony of listening to bitter middle aged men mascarading as football "experts"!!!

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  • 176.
  • At 02:32 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Richie Y wrote:

I'd just like to say a few things. I've read the posts from others and they all wind me up. Everyone has their own positions taken from their own standpoints and are trying to ram them down everyone else's throats. At the end of the day this is the position...

What Lineker and Shearer have been saying is wrong.

What Ronaldo did in the England game was wrong. Ronaldo is one hell of a player but will forever be tarnished by his pretty boy diving antics.

What Rooney did in that game was wrong. It was a red card all the way.

The diving and cheating of Portugal in the France game was wrong. everyone could see it. Scolari must have felt very stupid the next day looking back at himself ranting and raving at clear and blatant dives.

On another note, what was Pauleta doing racing up to the referee when Miguel fell over? He didnt even see it and Miguel wasn't even fouled. I thought that summed up Portugal's attitude in that game.

I was gutted to see England go out last week but the only people to blame for that are the English team. Portugal were second rate and we should have beaten them.

I'm not anti-anyone. I just get wound up by people who cant see the facts.

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  • 177.
  • At 02:33 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Michael wrote:

@Ben (166): Nope.

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  • 178.
  • At 02:33 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Adrian Hall wrote:

I see a lot of funny comments here about the Rooney incident, I think its hillarious how thick some people actually are!

He didnt STAMP on RC, he had one leg raised and believe it or not - that leg had to come down sooner or later. RC slid underneath him as his foot came down.

You dont believe me - see it for yourself.

Believe me, if he intended to stamp on his nuts, RC would NOT have finished the game!

Also to all Portugese - I am glad you are out. Other losses I can take, Brazil (even though it was a fluke goal), Germany in 96 by penalties, Argentina in 98 - but you ROBBED us here, and you ROBBED us in the last one also, where a perfectly good goal was ruled out.

Personally, I hope Ronaldo now does get hounded out of United (being a strong United fan) as I dont want idiots like him playing for our fine club, and I hope sincerely that all of your fans learn from this debacle, as well as your team - and that you conduct yourselves with a little more decorum at the next tournament (because by god, I will be supporting every team you play against in the qualifiers).

Congratulations though to Portugal - you have now leapfrogged Germany and Argentina in being our most hated footballing nation.

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  • 179.
  • At 02:34 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • StuartB wrote:

I've been watching all the WC games in France and believe me, the match commentators here are just as jingoistic as the BBC team appear to be (and probably as all countries are).
But a word of praise for Arsene Wenger, TF1 expert commentator. He's a bit dour, but his assessments of game situations have been clinical and totally devoid of the hysteria you get so much of elsewhere.
To add one point to the Rooney red card incident. The expert commentator for that match here was Christophe Dugarry (not, so far as I know, an England or Rooney fan) and he was flabbergasted by the red card (the tv pictures here showed nothing) and appalled by Cristiano Ronaldo's intervention.
To Portuguese fans: please don't think that the English are only directing their anger at you; the England players and management have been ferociously criticized, and it's only surprising that Wayne Rooney hasn't become a national hate figure (just think of the disgraceful treatment of David Beckham after that sending off againt Argentina). But you shouldn't try to ignore the fact that simulation has been a real blot on this competition. OK, many (perhaps all) teams in Germany have been guilty of this, but my distinct impression is that Portugal have been more guilty than most. Just let me give you one clear-cut example from the England-Portugal game. Owen Hargreaves wins the ball from Maniche in the centre of the pitch, resting his hand on Maniche's shoulder in the process (happens a thousand times in every game). Maniche falls to the ground clutching his face, as if he's been elbowed (and ref waves play on). What's that? Personally, I think that's much worse than Figo's "head butt" on van Bommel (which wouldn't have knocked over an 80 year old grandmother) or even Rooney's foul on Carvalho.

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  • 180.
  • At 02:35 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Heath wrote:

Point1: Ronaldo was out of order for what he did. No we are not getting upset because of a 'wink'. It was what the wink was signifying.

Point 2: Rooney has come under a lot of criticism for what he did. No one in Englad excuses his behavior.

Point 3:I agree, diving is an art as is acting. But it's not an art that is part of football. Why? Cos it's against the rules. Stamping on someones balls without looking could be considered an art - but again, it's wrong! Both are in actual fact called CHEATING.

Point 4: Yes, most teams dive. Even England. The differnce is that for most teams, a dive comes after contact and is therefore exageration (still wrong). Whereas Portugal need only a distance of less than 3 inches between players in order to take a tumble.

Point 5: Yes Englad have sour grapes, so do most. The fact was that the ref was poor (I don't mean Rooney incident, that was right), and Portugal were jumping around like salmon fish. But England had chances and could have won that game. Only ourselves to blame. However, I don't remember Portugal making graceful exit when beaten by France (complain about the ref if you want, but then don't moan about the English doing it).

Thank you for your time

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  • 181.
  • At 02:36 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Alwyn PG wrote:

Is this the same 'Republic of Ireland' pundit who ket referring to England as 'we' ?

Of course, English players don't dive do they ? Gerrard's recent penalty anyone ?!?!?

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  • 182.
  • At 02:36 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • martin j wrote:

motd should be ashamed of themselves.The constant criticism of portugal was outrageous,alan shearer inciting violence,martin oneal forever dragging up celtics defeat to fc porto,mark lawrenson who still hasnt got over englands defeat to portugal in euro 2000.they just could not wait for portugal to lose so they could really go to town.sour grapes all round,England lost because they are just not good enough,do they expect portugal to just lie down admit defeat before the game has kicked off similar to Ecuador just because they all believe England to be superior.I am sure alex ferguson is over the moon about ronaldo being hounded by the press,man.u now face losing one of their best players and would be very difficult to replace.My sympathy goes out to jane,for i am half portuguese(mother)and my youngest daughter reveived a similar response from her fellow pupils at school,there is a growing hatred to portuguese citizens which the media is part responsible for.To sum up motd is no longer on my viewing list

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  • 183.
  • At 02:38 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Sam Crow wrote:

Things to consider...

1. England were crap.

2. Rooney is a prat.

3. 'Wrighty'...see 2.

4. Shearer was a thug on the pitch - remember him mistaking Lennon's head for the ball?

5. Portugal's football team are cheats.

6. England were really, really crap.

7. We'll win it in 2010. Honest.

8. Not before getting knocked out in the quarters in 2008 by Portugal.

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  • 184.
  • At 02:41 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Steve Smith wrote:

So many of these emails are demands for objectivity, yet very few of them could be called objective.
Fact 1 - Rooney stepped on/kicked the Portugese player.
Fact 2 - Ronaldo appears to have pleaded for some kind of punishment on Rooney.
Yet we don't know whether Rooney deliberately did this and we don't know what Ronaldo said. Both claim innocence and until anything contrary is proved, I choose to believe them. However -
Fact 3 - is that there was clearly some diving from a couple of the Portugese players. This was deceitful, unfair and against what the World Cup and football in general should be about. If any other team had done the same - including England - I would say the same (in fact, because I am English, I would be even more aggrieved and ashamed if English players had done similar things incl the possibility that Robinson did this at the end of the Por v Eng match).
ps I would like to say that overall I think the BBC coverage has been excellent, insightful and very enjoyable. Shearer shouldn't have said what he did. I think he should apologise. But this remark wasn't at all reflective of the overall BBC coverage. BBC - Well done!

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  • 185.
  • At 02:42 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Mike wrote:

For all the defenders of C. Ronaldo just follow this link
https://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2006/5157434.stm

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  • 186.
  • At 02:44 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • littlesaint wrote:

I'm getting a bit fed up with all this. So this is my final words on the matter. Portugal was my favourite team after England in Euro 96, and 2000. I was even a bit sorry for them when they lost to France in 2000, despite the antics of Xavier. And in 2004, it was only Ronaldo's constant smirking and lack of respect for other players that annoyed me. Yes, we had a goal wrongly ruled out, but Portugal didn't really do anything wrong. I know several Portuguese people and they are all decent, hardworking, generous people. The football team is not representative of their nation, it's just Scolari's management and the presence of one or two less than examplary individuals. As soon as they are gone, I'm sure things will improve.

Pilotasso, congratulations on your first sensible post of the tournament. I agree - the British tabloids really sour this game.

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  • 187.
  • At 02:45 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • ahmed wrote:

BBC commentery is a joke they r pro english,T Henry has dived and got plenty of free kicks but there is no mention of calling him a cheat...I wonder why?Because he aint Portugese and he plays in England!

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  • 188.
  • At 02:45 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Rachel wrote:

I am british and i think some of my "people" are getting carried away. Most of the "foreign" comments were fair. Portugal did not play their best and had a few antics. But i think we should not mix everything. Rooney was sent off for a very good reason, with or without the help of Ronaldo. And to be honest I dont think him being here would have changed much the outcome of the game. The persons covering the match Port vs Fra should have remain a bit more professional and stopped emphasizing every little detail of the portuguese team. Bottom line, England and Portugal are out of the tournament and Ronaldo is a good football player.

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  • 189.
  • At 02:47 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • cgulltoon wrote:

Oh what a sanctimonious load of tosh from both sides! I'm englich but have lived many years in other countries. The home broadcasts are always biased - its annoying to others, but hey, ever tried listening to South African Broadcasts during a rugby world cup? I have. Or Australian at any time?
Some of the remarks on here have been utter drivel - all English people are small minded racists who thought England were superior but cheated against?? Rubbish. None of my friends thought we were any good, and yes, we are frankly embarrassed by some of the BBC bias, but it is frankly small minded to assume that everybody in England agrees with the views of Lineker, Shearer etc. Do all Americans love George Bush? Of course not. Do all Portuguese think that their beloved Ronaldo does not overdo some of his theatricals? Of course not. Are all English fans hooligans? Well, Ive been a season ticket holder at club level for years and have seen no trouble in that time - so no. Was it really just English Hooligans booing Ronaldo in the Semi Final? - unlikely! Were all Portuguese people happy with the antics of their players after that 2000 Semi Final defeat? Probably not.
Some of the postings on this board have gone way over the top into blinkered bigotry. Just calm down everybody - I'm ENglish, I'm biased, but I'm also 42 and I like people of all nationalities. Stop all this stereotyping nonsense and grow up.

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  • 190.
  • At 02:47 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Rob Fernandes wrote:

That was a hopeless attempt to justify the most spiteful, unfair and offensive coverage I have ever seen of a football match on the BBC.

Sour grapes or not, references to the background of those involved simply does not excuse their self righteous hatchet job on Portugal.

You plead Martin O'Neil's case as he is from Northern Ireland and thus is apparently not engaging in anything that might be bitter.

Yet Martin O'Neil has done little to conceal his inherent dislike for the Portuguese since Celtic were beaten by FC Porto in the UEFA Cup Final.

I do not support Porto but invite you to check your archives for that match and every Portuguese game since that he has analysed - he loathes us.

You would presumably also defend Alan Shearer who led Wednesday indignation at Portuguese cheating and has made other 'choice' comments about us.

Yet this is the same Alan Shearer who was BOOKED for DIVING in Euro 2000 in a defeat against Portugal. How much more unfair could his comments be.

I accept that diving is a problem and there were a few Portuguese examples of it, yet to claim your coverage was objective is laughable.

Ribery and Zidane also theatrically dived but that did not draw comment nor did it make your compilation of dives. Funny that.

I guess because you weren't looking for it, and as it didn't fit your spiteful objectives. It really was tabloid television at its worst.

To dismiss accusations of bitterness,
you back-date your supposed disgust to the Holland game, when you claim you first made these points.

Yet our red cards were for handball and timewasting - hardly dirty - it was the Dutch who dived about and caused injury to Ronaldo from the start.

The glaring truth is that you only turned on Portugal to suit your agenda in the run up to, during and after our game with England.

That in itself is understandable, I'd expect the BBC to promote England and enjoy such coverage. This kind of partizan behaviour is not on trial.

But when you turn the world cup semi final between two other teams into spiteful, vindictive propoganda, that is nothing short of indiffensible.

You have the nerve to turn around and excuse your barely disguised dislike for Portugal by insisting it was all a reflection of semi-final events.

Funny that, considering your pre-game intro on Portugal looped a few clips of tackles and dives out of context in an effort to portray us badly.

This for a team that had won all its group games and done nothing wrong until engaged by the Dutch. And your intro showed that?

So don't start pretending that it was objective and reactive coverage - you had it in for us from the start, we emerged from a coffin for gods sake.

And all this for the only country in Europe to reach the semis of three of the last four major tournaments. Yet
we were ridiculed throughout.

Maybe you were getting a little too complacent from your long holiday in Germany, but there's many Portuguese here who pay their licence fees.

We did not deserve nor do we pay for such pre-motivated un-objective trash for major semi-final, it was as surprising as it was embarassing for the BBC.

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  • 191.
  • At 02:47 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • matthew wrote:

Interesting. Now, normally i don't defend the english that much (even though i am english) because we go completely over the top and are terrible losers. However - without wishing to write an essay i will try to keep the points short
1) ronaldo stamp - Figo headbutt. both england and Portugal = evil act. No excuse for either. Now i imagine Portugese are going to say it was only a little headbutt from Figo so doesn't count?? You'd be wrong, but i will cite Deco's horrific attempt at a leg breaker shortly after in the same game that got him a yellow. The difference is Rooney landed and Deco only clipped. The intentions from both were exactly the same. And ronaldo was in his right to complain. I know Rooney and him play in the same domestic team - but thats his country. However, the ref clearly had his back to Figo so how he got a yellow card for a headbutt i don't know. But thats what happened so rather than moan like wuss's lets move on. 2) Gamesmanship. I personally think this worldcup has been horrific. Even us english have been at it - Robinson was correctly cited, and J Cole, Gerrard, Beckham etc have all gone over too easy. And in defence of portugal, they suffered as much as the anyone against Holland - Holland played on twice after Portugal put the ball out for Dutch players injured. Shocking. Again though -i will get my english bit in by saying i think a few teams have taken gamesmanship to a new level - and this world cup portugal have been worse than most. I am too stupid to get het-up (annoyed) and be too biased but if you were a true football fan you would have thought alot of the diving in the POR;FRE game mainly by the portugeuse was horrible. And please note - Henry got kicked in the area and trust me i hate saying that. However - us english have to get rid of the evils in our game before we can labour on extensively about another country. POINT 3) A percentage of english travelling fans are idiots. Again though - is there any nation who can claim otherwise. I agree we do tend to shove our 'hooligan' element under the carpet, but we are embarressed by it and have tried to sort it out. In fact, we have tried to do more than virtually every other country. mainly because we have too, i'll admit. But still, we don't get the credit for trying, we only get labelled with every other idiot. Its insulting in the same way that calling every Portuguese person a diver or every scot an england hater:) Although looking at the posts its easy to see who is scottish :) Sorry, couldn't help myself. But the point is when we are in a discussion about gamesmanship why try and bring up the fact that all English are hooligans? What has that got to do with the beautiful game that is football. Very little - its got more to do with the ugliness of people who don't go to watch the football, but go to cause havoc. POINT 4 - Bias - Damn right the BBC are biased. They are British. I think they try and be less biased than most but sometimes that doesn't work. And after watching alot of football from the comfort of my armchair - they are biased towards scotland, ireland and wales as long as each one is playing each other. Then its down to whomever the comentator is. Interestingly, the BBC did the bit about the Chinese commentator and i can't remember anyone apart from the australians who thought it was anything other than funny. Some people were trying to get the transcript to have a laugh. Now - this smacks of double standards but maybe i am wrong. POINT 5 - Shearers comment = TERRIBLE. POINT 6 Going forward. The majority of people on here seem to be name calling, generalising naughty people. Why not take off the tinted specs (red, orange, white, maroon [what colour is the port. kit?] and see things as a rational adult. I.e - Portugal beat us fair and square, and Rooney deserved to be sent off, or maybe - something like 'gamesmanship is not a peice or art people should encourage'. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST - POINT 7 - Good to see so many females from all over the world joining in with the discussions. Its great. The more i can talk about football with the ladies the better. Now, can't we all just make love??? :)

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  • 192.
  • At 02:48 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • neil wrote:

BBC bias perhaps but it was mindful of the open wounds the bulk of England fans stilll felt (righly or wrongly.)

Of course we're all as bad as each other when it comes to sneeky dives, cunning tugs, pinches and the like that players hide from the ref.

One thing, having been on the end of a rugby boot in the crown jewels myself, I certainly remember the pain, the 'winded' feeling and fear of vomitting that counted me out of action for a good 20 minutes.

Trouble is I can't remember how long Carvalho was out of action after Rooney un/intentionally trod on him?

Was it 20 minutes, was he stretchered off or did he miraculously play on?

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  • 193.
  • At 02:48 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Mike E wrote:

At least the Beeb has the guts to stand up for the diving and cheating in this game.

Yes, England is not free of it. But it is not our game plan A! Portugal: Give the ball to Ronaldo and have him hurtle into a crowded area and fall over, and maybe we can score a free kick and win 1-0.

Over here in the States we have the dubious pleasure of listening to Marcelo Balboa's inane prattle every other game. He has no clue about sportsmanship, applauding every attempt to cheat the referee and the opposition. Appalling. Watch for the next wave of diving cheats to play for the US.

Soon enough England will have to bugger off and make up our own rules for what used to be our game.

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  • 194.
  • At 02:50 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • matthew wrote:

Interesting. Now, normally i don't defend the english that much (even though i am english) because we go completely over the top and are terrible losers. However - without wishing to write an essay i will try to keep the points short
1) ronaldo stamp - Figo headbutt. both england and Portugal = evil act. No excuse for either. Now i imagine Portugese are going to say it was only a little headbutt from Figo so doesn't count?? You'd be wrong, but i will cite Deco's horrific attempt at a leg breaker shortly after in the same game that got him a yellow. The difference is Rooney landed and Deco only clipped. The intentions from both were exactly the same. And ronaldo was in his right to complain. I know Rooney and him play in the same domestic team - but thats his country. However, the ref clearly had his back to Figo so how he got a yellow card for a headbutt i don't know. But thats what happened so rather than moan like wuss's lets move on. 2) Gamesmanship. I personally think this worldcup has been horrific. Even us english have been at it - Robinson was correctly cited, and J Cole, Gerrard, Beckham etc have all gone over too easy. And in defence of portugal, they suffered as much as the anyone against Holland - Holland played on twice after Portugal put the ball out for Dutch players injured. Shocking. Again though -i will get my english bit in by saying i think a few teams have taken gamesmanship to a new level - and this world cup portugal have been worse than most. I am too stupid to get het-up (annoyed) and be too biased but if you were a true football fan you would have thought alot of the diving in the POR;FRE game mainly by the portugeuse was horrible. And please note - Henry got kicked in the area and trust me i hate saying that. However - us english have to get rid of the evils in our game before we can labour on extensively about another country. POINT 3) A percentage of english travelling fans are idiots. Again though - is there any nation who can claim otherwise. I agree we do tend to shove our 'hooligan' element under the carpet, but we are embarressed by it and have tried to sort it out. In fact, we have tried to do more than virtually every other country. mainly because we have too, i'll admit. But still, we don't get the credit for trying, we only get labelled with every other idiot. Its insulting in the same way that calling every Portuguese person a diver or every scot an england hater:) Although looking at the posts its easy to see who is scottish :) Sorry, couldn't help myself. But the point is when we are in a discussion about gamesmanship why try and bring up the fact that all English are hooligans? What has that got to do with the beautiful game that is football. Very little - its got more to do with the ugliness of people who don't go to watch the football, but go to cause havoc. POINT 4 - Bias - Damn right the BBC are biased. They are British. I think they try and be less biased than most but sometimes that doesn't work. And after watching alot of football from the comfort of my armchair - they are biased towards scotland, ireland and wales as long as each one isn't playing each other. Then its down to whomever the comentator is. Interestingly, the BBC did the bit about the Chinese commentator and i can't remember anyone apart from the australians who thought it was anything other than funny. Some people were trying to get the transcript to have a laugh. Now - this smacks of double standards but maybe i am wrong. POINT 5 - Shearers comment = TERRIBLE. POINT 6 Going forward. The majority of people on here seem to be name calling, generalising naughty people. Why not take off the tinted specs (red, orange, white, maroon [what colour is the port. kit?] and see things as a rational adult. I.e - Portugal beat us fair and square, and Rooney deserved to be sent off, or maybe - something like 'gamesmanship is not a peice or art people should encourage'. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST (Cripes i have rambled) - POINT 7 - Good to see so many females from all over the world joining in with the discussions. Its great. The more i can talk about football with the ladies the better. Now, can't we all just make love??? :)

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  • 195.
  • At 02:51 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Rooney's Left Foot wrote:

A very interesting blog Mr Armstrong. Of course the BBC presenters weren't anti-Ronaldo! If, as you say, it was just all because of Portuguese antics, then where the condemnation for Rooney stamping on a bloke's nads? Where the abuse of Gerrard for his outragous dive trying to get Ronaldo booked on 97 minutes (not to mention his Hungary effort which your presenters applauded)? Or Lennon's dive for a penalty and the England player's reactions in 106th minute? Where the pointing out that Miguel was injured enough to leave the France game after clashing knees (a foul, I think)? Above all, where was the praise for Ronaldo when, in the 54th minute of the s/f Zidane fouled him badly and he just got on with it - after Zidane had apologised (a booking would have seen ZZ miss the final I believe). This was an act of mutual respect, and absolute fairplay. Where was this incident highlighted? It surely should have been, right? By the way, I think Marcel Desailly and Leornardo's chatter during the semi-final coverage was easily the best such example of expert football talk I've seen on the BBC in a long time. Neither of them neutral, either; both of them intelligent and honest. Well done. More of that please, and a lot lot less of that array of cranks you've paid to go on their ickle holiday jolly...

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  • 196.
  • At 02:51 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • pedro wrote:

The BBC coverage of the Portuguese game was the most biased affair ever in the history of televison. Sour Grapes-can't-handle-defeat Lineker joined I-still-just-can't-admit-Porto-beat the-crap-out-of-my-lovely-Celtic O'Neill for a farcical comment. Everything on the Portuguese side was a dive everything on the French was a foul. Both managers were ridiculously trying to pressure the refree and actually Dominic in far less "legal" manner than Scolari but they just picked on Scolari. Miguel badly ruptured ligaments which will put him 3 weeks out of competition were twice pointed by Lineker as a dive. How can such an idiot still comment matches.

I actually liked English football but since thy can't handle defeat I will now be supporting the opposition at all times no matter who they play.
Ronaldo is too good for the crappy English league anyway its just England can't handle that they have no one with a tenth of his talent.

As for diving Mr Joe "Stuka" Cole tried to get a few penalties against Portugal the cheater. How many did Portugal tried to get against EEngland? Zero. Who are the cheaters I ask?
If we join to this the English bestial fans whom once again were the only ones causing problems and behaving like animals its obvious that England should be banned from International Competitions once again.

Oh and I don't forget how you cheated your way to the 66 win. We have long memories though you convniently forget the less favourable details.

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  • 197.
  • At 02:51 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Pete wrote:

Motson is past his sell by date, but you don't have to agree with him. I don't often listen to any comentry with much attention, Sky sports is in my opinion the best, but I hate Andy Grays patronistic whine. I have never liked Lineker at all, although he does a pretty good job as anchorman.

Alan Shearer was a player you would hate to be in the oppostion team, he niggles the defenders and committed a high number of fouls. But you can be as sure as the sea is blue that he got the same, if not more from the boots of the defenders he was up against. He hardly ever complained, just got on with the game. He was an honest player, and as such is certainly qualified to comment on the antics of some of the portugese. He didn't call for violence against Ronaldo, he said he wouldn't be suprised if someone "stuck one on him" when he returned to training.

The BBC commented on the games and the incidents in these games, if you can't see that Portugal were trying to cheat then its a good job the BBC showed you what was going on.

Portugal are a good side, they have a good midfield and a good defence and a great keeper. Why do they need to resort to such unsavoury tactics?

People say we should look at the crouch hair pull, yes the goal should not have stood, I am not convinced that crouch knew what he was doing or that it was preplanned, such as the portugese tactics to wind Rooney up which conclusivly was planned in advance.

You have to go back 4 years to the last England dive (Owen argentina).

The portugese also claim that Henry v Spain was worse - so this excuses Portugal?? You also try to claim the Henry foul in the semi was not a foul, it was as clear a penalty as you can possibly get. Carvalhos left leg CLEARLY takes away Henrys standing foot.

You criticse the BBC for including an injury to Miguel. Have another look, the BBC say, and I quote "its not a dive but look at the reaction" the incident had no contact whatsoever as Miguel caught his foot in the turf, there was an unbelievable claim for a foul from your players and Scholari, even though there was NO CONTACT.

England have to sort out their tactics for the next tournament, Portugal have to sort out their attitude, the world has figured you out now and you will no longer be able to get away with it.

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  • 198.
  • At 02:51 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • mccorse wrote:

The sooner the BBC realises that their views aired by Alan Hansen and his cronies are not shared by a large portion of the license payers of this country, the better for your organisation. The commentary on the World Cup over the last couple of weeks (and even more so, since England were knocked out) has been nothing short of bias opinions and narrow mindedness. Please advise your presenters to get a life as they (and to be fair, the majority of the media in this country) are giving us English a bad name. To run a hate campaign against the Portuguese and especially Ronaldo is a disgrace. You have incited violence as well as racism in some of the remarks been made by so-called professional presenters and columnists. Enough is enough! Get over the fact that the WC is over. We weren’t good enough, simple as that. Let’s get our own house in order before we look to place the blame on others. Throwing stones in glass-houses springs to mind!

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  • 199.
  • At 02:52 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • David wrote:

I am English, and I think the BBC coverage was wrong, the English media's hysterical reaction is wrong, and it's done England's reputation no good at all.
Having said that, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle, Ronaldo was wrong, and only Rooney knows if his actions were deliberate. Ronaldo should have protested to Rooney, not the ref if he was so upset about it.
I hope the Portuguese that are reading all of these posts don't judge England by our media.. everyone I know blames the England team and Eriksson not Ronaldo. BTW all credit to him for the game against France, he was the best Portuguese player.
The media obsession with Ronaldo is just a way of deflecting away from how poor England were.

PS Os ingles gostamos muito os portugues..!

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  • 200.
  • At 02:54 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Hamza from London wrote:

Portugal proved in this world cup, that they are bunch of divers and cheaters. As good a player C.Ronaldo is, end of the day he clearly dives atleast 4-5 times in a match. I,m not saying all this coz Eng losing on Pens from Portugal, but on the evidense of wot I've seen from Portugese against Holland, France and England.

Unless you do something about divers, this will continue to disgrace football, and although other team players have also dived and cheated in this WC, Portugal come at the top of the list, when it comes to diving and rolling around, so stop complaining about BBC, just coz they r discussing the problem face-on.

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  • 201.
  • At 02:57 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • YourKidding wrote:

OMG,

what a load of small minded idoiots alot of you are.

get over it and move on. England were crap port were crap actually most of the teams in this WC have been crap...it been the poorest display of football i have seen for a long time.

And to the person who was talking about english vilance, at this WC...FOR God sake WHERE and if it was there, thou the reporting of any was very minor, would also be no more than any others team supporters, thou any at all is unacceptable.

so lets just all hope the final will be a display of quality football

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  • 202.
  • At 02:57 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • MikeR wrote:

During the group stages of the World Cup I was working in California, but I was delighted that every match was live on ESPN, which meant that I could watch a live game before going to work. I was really disappointed however that the pundits and commentators seemed to be obsessed by Team USA, even if they weren't playing. Even worse, they said virtually nothing about England. Talk about bias.

I also talked to a lot of Americans about football, or soccer as they call it. They liked the USA-Italy game because it was a feisty, blood-and-thunder encounter, but the consensus was that soccer would never really catch on in America with all the diving, time-wasting and girly crying.

Makes you think, doesn't it.

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  • 203.
  • At 02:57 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • matthew wrote:

Also - a few people have said what great pundits desailly and Leonardo were - and the others not for being too biased. Yet i distinctly remember Leonardo being the only pundit at the time to say Rooney didn't do it on purpose??

And good post Penny (67) and cgultoon (197)!!! Both said what i was trying to say but better, less-longwinded and with better names than mine!! Damnit.

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  • 204.
  • At 02:59 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Alex James wrote:

Regarding the head to head between the BBC and ITV on Sunday, I will be watching the final on ITV and switching to the Beeb for half time analysis, for the simple reason that Motson is driving me mad! How can he watch so much football and still clearly know so little? And don't get me started on his fatuous statistics. Is this really the voice of football for the nation?

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  • 205.
  • At 03:01 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Lee Mitchell wrote:

Alan Shearer's comments about using violence to settle a score is an outrage, especially as it was broadcast on the BBC after he has had time to calm down. It does not surprise me however as throughout his career he resolved issues with the use of his elbows. The man is a thug and his comments confirm that. The highlights after the France/Portugal game had a feature on the top five examples of gamesmanship, with Ronaldo being number one "by far" according to Ray Stubbs. Would this feature have ever appeared if the Ronaldo/Rooney incident did not occur? I doubt it. It is yet another example of the bitterness that has arisen from an incident in which Ronaldo was not at fault. England fans simply can't accept that their so-called star player is at fault. I am angry with the BBC as it is and I haven't even heard what Alan Green has been saying.

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  • 206.
  • At 03:02 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Jane wrote:

Adrian’s comment in brackets, post 186, is exactly the comment that has been said to my family many times in the last couple of weeks. Please see my comments post 16. It is this tone and relentless pursuit of seeing the opposition go down based on PAST events that has to be checked. Wishing a team to lose in future games whoever they play because of their past behaviour allows no room for growth or improvement. It teaches children (and adults) nothing about forgiving or about learning from mistakes. It is a hatred that knows no bounds.
My 8 year old son is a talented football player. He loves the game and even at 8 seems to be able to make far more objective constructive cristicism than a lot of what we are hearing right now. His team have just won a county league and their sportsmanship apart from their terrific scoring has been noted by many including the local press. Their manager is Portuguese. Following Euro 2004 a coach with a different age group in the same club put out a letter of sheer bitterness to his squad and their parents about the Portugal victory. He gave Portuguese names to fouls and proceeded to implement this in his training of 9 year olds. I just don’t see this as a positive way forward for English football. What if my son were good enough to pay for England would he be dismissed because his father was Portuguese?

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  • 207.
  • At 03:03 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Ricardo wrote:

How can you claim that there were no sour grapes after the English defeat to Portugal in 2000 and 2004? I've lived here for 14 years now and on both occasions suffered abuse from fans and work colleagues before and after each of those matches. What about the smashing of that cafe owned by a Portuguese after euro2004? Forgot that, have you?
As for the blatantly biased BBC pundits, how do you respond to their lack of respect for our team when, just before our encounter, said that England had a team to beat Brazil, ie, already dismissing the Portugal match as a foregone conclusion. My only pleasure in seeing England lose was not directed against the players or the true English fans, whom I respect, but to see alan hansen and Ian wright eating their own words while staring at the floor!
PS: Hardly surprising that the English would favour us last Saturday when on the pre match interview shown on BBC you 'managed' to twist what Pauleta said from 'Portugal is a country that respects all' to 'Portugal is a country that demands respect from all' . Then have the nerve to accuse us of arrogance. The BBC is not only biased but ignorant as well!! I certainly lost my belief in your supposed professionalism.
Bye.

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  • 208.
  • At 03:03 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Andrew wrote:

Random thoughts on the BBC's coverage:

Motson calling Germany "West Germany" during one commentary - he's senile and should be shipped out.

Wright's constant whining about Sven -presumably because he's foreign and didn't take his son to Germany. Wright being the man who (typically brainlessly) said that he didn't care if England never win anything again as long as the next manager is English - sheesh !

Hansen talking over anybody who might show him up for the mediocre analyst that he is. Especially if they're foreign.

Lineker grinning like an imbecile - constantly !!

Oh, and Wright laughing at a dwarf because "I can't help laughing at little people - they look funny" !!! - just how tall is his son again ???

They take the viewing public for fools.

nuff said.

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  • 209.
  • At 03:04 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • mark wrote:

Personally, I think the BBC punidits in the world cup having been terrible. Apart from martin o'neil, leonardo and gavin peacock all the pundits have been so pro England the coverage literally became a England Team propaganda stunt. Hansen continually stated during the group phase that if England played Germany it would be a forgon conclusion for England, did he honestly believe that? Most pundits stated that Germany, Italy and France were no threat to England going all the way. They became 3 of the 4 semi finalists. The reason for all this propaganda is that the pundits are still closely linked to the players therefore they dare not criticise any!Ian wright is so incensed about sven leaving his lad out that he is void of constructive discussion. The BBC may as well have hung drawn and quatered sven with the analysis of his reign, but did they blame the players? not one bit. And finally to finish what about the two muppets Motson and lawrenson? time for motty to be put out to grass!

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  • 210.
  • At 03:04 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Andrew wrote:

Random thoughts on the BBC's coverage:

Motson calling Germany "West Germany" during one commentary - he's senile and should be shipped out.

Wright's constant whining about Sven -presumably because he's foreign and didn't take his son to Germany. Wright being the man who (typically brainlessly) said that he didn't care if England never win anything again as long as the next manager is English - sheesh !

Hansen talking over anybody who might show him up for the mediocre analyst that he is. Especially if they're foreign.

Lineker grinning like an imbecile - constantly !!

Oh, and Wright laughing at a dwarf because "I can't help laughing at little people - they look funny" !!! - just how tall is his son again ???

They take the viewing public for fools.

nuff said.

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  • 211.
  • At 03:05 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Mcel wrote:

I have to admit i am soo fed up with all of this!! But lets face it The BBC coverage and pundits have not been impartial! It is a disgrace. I used to love Alan Hansen ( being a partick thistle fan )but his comments show how out of touch he is. I know i'm going to sound paraniod but there is such a bias against latin teams, see Italy, Spain, Portugal even France etc. They hated argentina before the tournament then after the amazing performance against Serbia Wrightie and co were going on about great Messi, Riquelme were when 2 minutes beforehand they had been slagging them off! Remember Arsenal vs Villareal, Barcelona! Were the french not a bunch of old oaps that couldnt play to save themselves according to these 'experts' at the beginning of the tournament. These pundits need to start watching la liga, serie a, bundesliga etc to actually understand what's going on in world football, instead of thinking that the whole world revolves round the premiership! Instead they decide to use every cliche in the book! This kind of stuff would not happen in Italy or Spain. Yes the commentators and coverage is partisan but at least they know about football. The spanish may not be happy about italy being in the final ( there is history there ) but at least they respect what italy have done and can admit italy deserve to be there! Thank god the BBC has got Desailly and Leonardo on board. They know what they are talking about and often look at Shearer and co as if they are a bunch of idiots. Which they are of course!

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  • 212.
  • At 03:07 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • tom wrote:

The critical analysis of England games provided by Alan Hansen, Alan Shearer and Ian Wright have been nothing short of disgraceful. I was particularly disappointed with Alan Hansen. Seeing as he is Scottish, I would have thought he would not suffer from undue bias and call the game fairly. England were poor all tournament, and it was not all the manager's fault. The manager was not responsible for Frank Lampard not scoring after hitting over 20 shots at goal. Perhaps the BBC should include Terry Butcher on its television coverage. As a former England captain he would command respect and unlike another former England captain (Shearer) he can offer constructive analysis of a game. His comments for BBC radio which can also be read on the BBC website give a fair indication of how England performed in Germany.

concerned neutral fan,
Tom

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  • 213.
  • At 03:07 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Kevin wrote:

littlesaint (#194), i'd love to believe that it was the case that these were a few bad apples in the portuguese side but I'm sorry to report that isn't true. I remember having the distinct displeasure to being introduced to fernando couto many years ago when watching italian football. He had the lot, the diving, the wild hacks at players, the feigning injury, the encouraging referees to send other players off, the winding up the opposition. Victor baia is another great example that isn't in the current team. And to show that it isn't linked to ability, luis figo has always been guilty of these kind of tactics when he really is far too talented a player to have to resort to them. I find it sad that these habits have not died out with that generation and have been passed on to the new one. Baia's heir Ricardo was ultimately responsible for deco's sending off against holland - his disgraceful feigning of injury in an attempt to get kuyt into trouble led to the ref stopping play with portugal in possession and the dutch being so disgusted that they didn't give the ball back and thus incensing deco who took the law into his own hands.

I don't care about England, I'm scottish. I care about football. The portoguese attitude to the spirit of football is shameful, and it's very sad because for a country of their size they have an amazing amount of talent. They may win something major one day, but they know they will have sold their soul and the soul of football in order to get there.

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  • 214.
  • At 03:07 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Rita Marrington wrote:

It needs no action from FIFA or the FA to curb the increasingly unprovoked diving we see in football today. With so much coverage, the TV is in a unique position to show a rogues gallery on "gamesmanship" -I prefer to call it cheating - of players. With the right slant, these persistent offenders would soon be shamed into toeing the line and referees who must watch these programmes would also soon be aware of who were the persistent offenders and would not give them the benefit of doubt in subsequent matches. Eventually this would have a detrimental effect on the offender and his team's performance and their ability to spoil the beautiful game.

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  • 215.
  • At 03:08 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Annia wrote:

So, having had a taste of English comentators, perhaps all you European chaps now realise what the Scots and Welsh have had to listen to for decades, and why we're so sick of it?? ;-)

But perhaps the Beeb can clarify - are their comentators supposed to be 'neutral' while on air, or is it generally accepted that they will be rather obviously supporting England and will tailor their remarks accordingly? Does the Beeb care that it's not only English fans who will be watching/listening?

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  • 216.
  • At 03:09 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • bobbylebonfire wrote:

I don't know what everyone's going on about..the thread's about portugese diving in the france game and the evidence is there, visually for all to see. I've copied it from u tube and replay it when i want some entertainment and cheer myself up, it's hilarious! don't think the beebs commentary was out of order, quite the reverse. Problem is that this blog has been taken over by portugese and scots axe-grinders, the scots masquerading as english supporters or just failing to register their nationality (which is actually british, not scots) but their names (gordon, duncan etc)give them away! I think the bbc should just pull the plug on this blog, it's being abused.

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  • 217.
  • At 03:10 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Dominic wrote:

This is the 1st major football tournament that ITV has beaten BBC for quality of its broadcast. And frankly that is not saying much with Clive Tyldesley a zenophobic ego maniac, and Steve Ryder who has no idea about football (he really should just do golf).

Why has the BBC gone down the "lads" route. Ian Wright is a total embarassement and as Alistair Campbell said, should just be in the Skysports Fanzone. Shearer, was Mr no personality, has now assumed one and it is not that pleasant or appropriate. Hansens style is tired and only periodically does he provide any valuable insight.

The broadcasting team of the tournament would include:

Adrian Chiles
Gordon Strachen
Steve Wilson
Terry Venables (for comedy value)
Gary Lineker (just, he looks good compared to his panel)
Ruud Gullit
Jonathan Pearce
Martin O'Neil (ditto Lineker)

Among the never should be seen or heard again:

Ian Wright
Alan Shearer
Steve Ryder
John Motson
Garth Crooks (please send him anywhere away from football)

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  • 218.
  • At 03:11 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Dominic wrote:

This is the 1st major football tournament that ITV has beaten BBC for quality of its broadcast. And frankly that is not saying much with Clive Tyldesley a zenophobic ego maniac, and Steve Ryder who has no idea about football (he really should just do golf).

Why has the BBC gone down the "lads" route. Ian Wright is a total embarassement and as Alistair Campbell said, should just be in the Skysports Fanzone. Shearer, was Mr no personality, has now assumed one and it is not that pleasant or appropriate. Hansens style is tired and only periodically does he provide any valuable insight.

The broadcasting team of the tournament would include:

Adrian Chiles
Gordon Strachen
Steve Wilson
Terry Venables (for comedy value)
Gary Lineker (just, he looks good compared to his panel)
Ruud Gullit
Jonathan Pearce
Martin O'Neil (ditto Lineker)

Among the never should be seen or heard again:

Ian Wright
Alan Shearer
Steve Ryder
John Motson
Garth Crooks (please send him anywhere away from football)

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  • 219.
  • At 03:13 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • MikeR wrote:

Reading through this thread, I've just realised something. In general, the English contributors are soul-searching and trying to be honest. The Portuguese contributors are ducking and diving their way through the issues. The Scots, who can't resist getting into the argument, can only play one way.

I said in general - even so it's interesting.

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  • 220.
  • At 03:13 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Tez wrote:

Diving - wrong.
Xenophobia - wrong.

Too much of both in this world cup.

The BBC should address both - but primarily the one they are responsible for.

In the meantime judge people on their actions - not their nationalities.

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  • 221.
  • At 03:13 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Penny wrote:

#83 Pilotasso

I agree some of the English press is horrible but it doesnt in any way reflect the vast majority of us. There is also some very intelligent English reporting and I can tell you that some of the English Sports writers were very critical of the BBC.

#150 Joao Moreira

I think English people respect and admire your country - theres's been a long and historic alliance between us. This is only about football!

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  • 222.
  • At 03:13 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Shaun wrote:

How can the BBC sports team, with a straight face talk about Ronaldos diving?

Was it not Mr Wright himself, when talking about Steven Gerrards swan dive to win a penalty pre world cup say 'others do it to us so we should do it to them'.

And Shearer disgracing himself and people wonder why english fans are judged as hooligans...you have the players and sports panel doing the same.

I have no respect for Ronaldos diving and cheating but then again, when Mr Gerrard or Henry or numerous great players do it, what's the point?

Perhaps England should sort out the problems, cheating, violence and big headedness (And not just players egos, panels egos as well...all us other UK nationals being forced through 1966 mania all over again, as well as on ITV was quite frankly, boring. Makes us wish for another 40 years of hurt and plenty more) in their own camp first.

PLEASE lets not have a final where Motty or whoever in commentating mention ENgland repeatedly.

ALso we all know ALan Hansen is an englishman in disguise, I wouldn't regard him as a Scot anymore

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  • 223.
  • At 03:14 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Myles wrote:

Of course the English commentators aren't commenting objectively. THIS is the reason why so many Scots don't want them to win. It has nothing to do with a blanket 'hatred' of all things English as some would like to believe.

Constant references to the English team when they are not playing. "Well John, they might want XXXX to win this group so that will be an easier semi-final for England." This is the sort of thing we had to listen to during the group stages.

As has already been referred to, Lawrenson's comments about Paul Robinson during the Ecuador match were laughable but entirely expected from this side of the border. "Cute" is how he describes an Englishman wating time. Was "cute" the words he used with players from other teams? I think not.

Motson's comments about Carvalho were outrageous. "I don't mean to sound spiteful, but he was one of the players involved in Rooney's alleged stamp". This just after Carvalho's booking. WHAT?? Was it Carvalho's fault that he managed to thrust his groin into Rooney's studs John? Get a grip. Spiteful is EXACTLY what you are John.

And as for Ian Wright. A bigger waste of money the BBC would struggle to find. Not interested in commenting on anyone other than England. Why was he in the studio for these games then? Laughing in Desailly's face at the pictures of William Gallas kicking the ball away in frustration after Korea's late equaliser against France.

Pass marks to Dessailly, Leonardo and O'Neill. The only ones not involved in the England love-in for the last 4 weeks.

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  • 224.
  • At 03:18 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Mike E wrote:

And finally from me on the subject... if someone like Rooney, with the temper and physicality he is reknowned for, had intended to stamp on someone's privates, that player would still be in hospital.

Carvalho got up within minutes. Either he has none, or wasn't really that hurt. Which would back my theory that Rooney was simply trying to find somewhere to put his foot while being hauled to the ground.

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  • 225.
  • At 03:23 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Rooney's Left Foot wrote:

Only Rooney knows whether he meant it or not 211 mathew surely?? Nothing wrong with thinking he never, is there?

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  • 226.
  • At 03:23 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Anonymous wrote:

England and Portugal probably share the dubious distinction of offering up the most boring football at this World Cup. Portugal certainly also gets the prize for the most unsporting behaviour on the pitch (wasting time and fouls against Holland, dives all over the place etc.). Holland and Portugal should both have been suspended for a disgraceful game.


As a football fan I want to see good exciting football like the Italy-Germany Semi-Final or the France-Brazil Quarter-Final. Don't care whether or not Portugal or England make it - show us you can play great football first and then talk about winning the World Cup. Scolari and Eriksson should share the prize for the coaches offering the worst football.

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  • 227.
  • At 03:24 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Stuart D wrote:

Interesting that so many foreign 'fans' are posting on a BBC website, complaining about the content of a British TV show.

What does that say about the quality of your own programming? Life is so full of interest that you spend your time looking at what's happening in the UK? Jealous? (He He He)

The MOTD pundits should not be sacked, Shearer should not apologise (especially as he's being misquoted more often than not)and under no circumstances should yet more TV license-payer's money be spent on investigating or commenting on what was said. Ex-players, several of whom are english, being impartial? No chance! Shearer was captain!

Yes the British Media overeact to everything in a flag-waving, jingoistic, blame-johnny-foreigner way - but lets face it, how did all these foreign fans find out about Shearer's comments,newspaper coverage, etc? Because their own, impartial, fair and true media probably reported our reaction to sell more copies. It's global.

As soon as the German newspapers like Bild(or 'Filthy rags' as the Sun called them) dared discuss Becks, ours jumped to the defense. Then, as soon as we went out, Becks was a waste of space who should have been dropped but for his commercial value to the English FA.

Ronaldo is a great player - no question. But, like Maradona, he runs the risk of being labelled a great cheat too, not just by the English but by all fans who ACTUALLY SEE his constant simulation and whining (especially for Man U)instead of commenting on the press coverage, which it seems many are doing instead.

On an aside, the BBC have been using English speaking foreign pros as pundits for a while now - Schmeical, Ginola and others. Leo and Marcel are just the latest (and were good and biased about Brasil and France!)

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  • 228.
  • At 03:24 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Rich wrote:

The BBC require a cull of their presentors. Its such a shame that the intelegent analysis adn amusing wit from the likes of O'Neil, Shearer, Hansen and Liniker are all too often overshadowed by the annoying whinning, tatical blindness and constant repetition of pointless facts such as a ref being a dentist or a Italin spending part of his life in England. I point the finger at Larenson and Green particulalry if they are not making pointless comments or appauling jokes then they are complaining about eveything under the sun, do they not understand that any one of us would love to be paid to watch football for a living! SORT IT OUT

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  • 229.
  • At 03:30 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Flavio Gominho wrote:

The English fans and the English Press are the most despicable, sore loosers I have ever seen. No wonder England is the inventor of hooliganism in soccer! You personalize everything and aim to destroy the reputation of those who who stand in your way (see the case of Cristiano Ronaldo).

The reality is that the English soccer team is a poor excuse for a team. Besides Rooney and Beckham, there is no one else worth talking about in terms of basic soccer skills. Needless to say, British soccer players do not seem, in general, to show much control of the ball (witness Beckham's inability to dominate the ball when receiving high passes). What is worse the airial soccer style long-favored by the British is totally outdated and tactically inferior. Finally, The British teams seem to alsways try to slow the tempo of the game, as their players cannot play explosive, attack oriented soccer. Believe me, until England fixes these problems, your teams are bound to continue to receive major thrashings at all international soccer tournments (plus your deplorable penalty kick skills do you in).

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  • 230.
  • At 03:31 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • David wrote:

So sorry, but the coverage of France/Portugal was painfully biased. The most blatant example was following one of Ronaldo's dives (yes, I can accept he dives). The camera switched to the French coach, who was shouting at the referee. The French coach then started doing the imaginary card waving act which has been so decried (and which Portugal did not do at any point in the match or the England match either). The camera immediatly switched off the French coach (which I accept is out of your control) and the incident went without question. Had it been Scolari, would it have been the same?

But the thing that really annoyed me about the coverage was the constant claim 'the French were the better team', 'the French deserved to win'. Portugal had the majority of possesion and the majority of chances (even if they lacked any decent striker to take advantage). France made one shooting chance all game. They did not play well, and if Portugal did not deserve to win, France didn't do much better.

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  • 231.
  • At 03:35 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Gordon Sutcliffe wrote:

I think the blogger and also Ike have set out the situation as it is quite nicely. Many others seem to be getting carried away with English impartiality (while displaying it in huge quantities themselves, Eduardo and Rita, who are unsurprisingly Portuguese), or resorting in desperation to saying "the English do it too". Well, did you not read the original blog? Or could you not make it past the title without bursting with indignant but misguided passion: "As I’ve said before, English football is not spotlessly clean, but we are not used to a concerted campaign of attempted deception of the kind we saw in this match.". This is an important point. We accept that English players have been guilty of diving, but to use occasional misdemeanours to categorise us with a team that spend the entire game diving around like salmon and conning the referee is idiocy.

Just some points to reiterate for the pigheaded that refuse to listen (Eduardo/Rita):
* Nobody except a minority as misguided as you believes the referee was wrong to send Rooney off, and nobody is saying he did a bad job.
* To call Rooney an animal without knowing whether he was intentionally stamping Carvalho or trying to keep his balance between two players kicking chunks out of him, is unknown. So don't jump the gun.
* Ronaldo's crime was to influence the referee to send his own club teammate off (whether he made a card gesture is irrelevant, the referee had already whistled for a foul, so what more did Ronaldo want?); this detail is conveniently forgotten but it is the important defining point.
* The Portuguese appear not to understand the principle of sportsmanship and fairplay. Even though English players are increasingly crossing the line, the fans are not. Remember Drogba being booed by his own Chelsea fans? We hate it even when our own players do it. Before you class the treatment of the Portuguese and Ronaldo as excessive, try to get into the head of a person who assigns a lot of value to sportsmanship and fairplay.
* Finally, read the blogger again CAREFULLY. Many of your points are uncontrovertibly contradicted therein.

Se os portugueses vão falar de ser objetivo, tenta se-lo vocês também.

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  • 232.
  • At 03:35 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • matthew wrote:

Just a slight note to some scottish bloggers here who say that the BBC are entirely pro-english. I have watched a BBC game when Scotland played Poland a few years ago now. Poland won convincingly and i remember being bemused because the english and commentators were constantly going on about how amazingly well the Scots were playing, how unlucky they were, only a matter of time before the scots did some magical etc etc. I found it bemusing because the scots managed two shots in the whole game, and at one point the ball didn't leave the Scottish half even from a hacked clearance for SEVEN MINUTES. Seven minutes. There is no more bias than when scotland or Ireland or Wales play, unless, and i admit this completely, they are playing england. However - the reason why your seeing more english bias over the years is because unlike the scottish and unfortunately the welsh, is because we do get to competitions for people to commentate on. Well done the Irish for generally being there as well. It was pity you weren't there this time as your play and your fans always do the competition proud - less diving than the english with the heart that we should be trying to emulate (if we did, then i think everyone could agree we would be a force in world football unlike the soulless unit we are normally). However, lets hope we all make it next time!

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  • 233.
  • At 03:36 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Paul Robertson wrote:

Penny (117), dont exaggerate the antagonism we feel to the English :-). My point about the Germans and Australians is to highlight the friendly rivalry that exists in sport. In general, the English don't care who beats these countries at various sports (e.g. the swimming at the Commonwealth games), as long as someone does, exactly the same attitude Scots have towards the English. You will always get a few idiots who take this friendly rivalry too far, but the English should not criticise the other home nations for not supporting England, nor expect us to, especially with the over the top biased toward England media coverage that is broadcast and forced upon the other 3 home countries.

I repeat, I watch the World Cup because it is the World Cup, not because England are in it. Now England are out, I would appreciate a bit more World Cup and a bit less English hysteria. That WILL NOT happen because of who the ref is in the final. We will be bombarded with Rooney this and Ronaldo that.

Also, don't kid yourselves on that if Scotland, N.Ireland or Wales were in the finals that we would get anything like the same amount of coverage. As I said, at France 98, the Burley-McNamara situation in the team was barely, probably never, discussed apart from when we got our own people giving us our own coverage. Yet this was a main talking point, just like getting the line-up in the English midfield has been to England. Do you think if Scotland were there the BBC would have gone to the Scotland camp at half-time of every game like they seemed to do for England for a report?

Oh and talking of the Ashes, since the English players got honours for winning a 2-team contest, when will the Scottish football players get similar honours for winning the 3-team Kirin Cup? :-) Probably the same time the English BBC media shuts up about England and gives us some neutral coverage.

Interesting to note how many people have commented on how good Leanardo and Desailly's opinions were. I wonder why they are so highly rated when the English-biased (Hansen, Lawrenson included) pundits are not?

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  • 234.
  • At 03:40 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • gaham wrote:

Owen dived to get the penalty against argentina in 2002 funny how no one mentioned it at the time or since.
Winking is not against any law in football, how does anyone even know the wink was related to the rooney incident and finally what about the real villain of the piece Carrvallo placing his unmentionables against the poor boy wonders injured foot,
Its all a foreign conspiracy to deny England.

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  • 235.
  • At 03:43 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Gareth wrote:

I remain mystified by the defence of the BBC coverage which still appears to be along the lines that the portuguese are a bunch of diving cheats and deserve what they got.

And to be fair, they did fall over a lot against the French.

My objection however, remains that the BBC team on Wednesday set out with what I would term an "agenda" to abuse the Portuguese team. At the "top of the programme" we had Linekers' "allez les bleus" statement followed by a cheeky smile as opposed to Ronaldo's wink so as not to offend. The montage music in the build up was light and airy for the french and dark and heavy for the Portuguese. There were numerous references to "Portuguese antics" before the game had started - put simply the Portuguese could have stayed on their feet all night and would have been nailed to the cross.

To me this agenda seems to have been based purely on the England game as I remember the referee taking the majority of the flak for the bizarre but thoroughly entertaining Holland-Portugal game (though what I would term vitriol began to rise towards the portuguese in the lead up to the England game)

In terms of the England game - the main issue appears not to be diving - but Ronaldo's alleged inteference in the Rooney incident (a skill undoubtedly honed in the Premiership with - most probably form Gary Neville) and a wink to the bench. Whilst I concur this was "unsportsmanlike" neither would have looked out of place in the Premiership.

Finally, I am aware you cannot expect a purely unbiased commentary through any medium - but a semblance of objectivity would not have gone amiss. Portugal actually played the better football (up until the final third of the pitch) which was rapidly glossed over for a montage of 3 or 4 Portuguese players falling over and Alan Shearer frothing at the mouth over the audacity of the Portuguese in beating England. Still at least Ian Wright wasn't there.

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  • 236.
  • At 03:44 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Dave wrote:

Cristiano Ronaldo was not well liked in this country before the world cup becuase he plays for Man Utd.
People always like to blame England's misery on some villan. If that villan happen's to play for the club side that you hate then all the better. Phill Neville, David Beckham, Cristiano Ronaldo. I don't think you'd have found many people, man utd fans aside, who would have said they liked the player before their "crime".
Anyway, I too have not been too impressed with Ronaldo's attitude. I thought he played so well in the France game. He worked hard and he didn't over-do the tricks and was really vauable to the team. However he really took the shine off it by diving. He's not a little lad, he's over 6 foot and strong and it is frustrating that he chooses not to use that.

I don't think the comments being aimed at Shearer of Wright are fair. You have to accept that they are passionate Englishmen and they are put on the pannel for their views and not for impartiality.
The BBC know that the majority of their audience is going to be English for such a program and so they aim their program at that demographic.

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  • 237.
  • At 03:44 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Manuel wrote:

The thing is: you (the english press) singled out Portugal and the Portuguese players simply because they kicked you out of the World Cup once again. Period.

Because of that, you were left without a topic for discussion in this World Cup. No Sven ... no Rooney ... no WAGS ... no "it's coming home" and all that pathetic stuff ...

I am sorry to say you are simply revealing your inner selves. Don't you have a sense of ridicule?

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  • 238.
  • At 03:45 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Mike E wrote:

OK I'm not done. Flavio Gominho (#232):

Why do you attack the QUALITY of the England team while we are attacking the SPORTSMANSHIP of yours?

Is it because you know we are right?

"you will continue to receive major thrashings"

0:0 is a major thrashing huh.

Portugal HAD NO TACTICS at the World Cup. They just went out to kill a game, cheat, dive, cry, moan and whine, and hopefully get a free kick or a penalty to win a game 1:0.

England HAD NO TACTICS at the World Cup. We went out to try to play the game.

If Rooney had taken a dive like the Portuguese players he would never have been sent off. And you would have been out of the tournament. Cos over 120 minutes you did nothing to threaten us. Over 60 minutes with a man up you did nothing.

Regardless of quality, if the game doesn't start cutting out the unsportsmanlike conduct which is growing like a disease, it will die out. Cristiano Ronaldo NOT being given the young MVP award is JUST and DESERVED. Podolski is probably a much inferior player. But Ronaldo ruins it by being a spoilt brat without a single honest cell in his body.

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  • 239.
  • At 03:46 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • C Santos wrote:

"I’m reluctant to fuel any further accusations of sour grapes by pointing out that the director concerned was Portuguese…"

Oh please Mr Paul, yes let’s play the blame game, what’s that to do with unprofessional behaviour of your pundits. May I remind you again, that the BBC it’s a public service unfairly funded by all of us, and like any other service that I pay for, I would like to be treated fairly and professionally. I quite would like to compare the figures and stuff involved in this coverage, and how many useless people were sent with my money for a long holiday in Germany, as opposed to those sent by ITV.

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  • 240.
  • At 03:46 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Eduardo wrote:

I think tyhis will help in a less biased view of things.You should trust in wath you see and not what everybody is saying.

Video of Henry against Spain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iJKfc-EBV0&search=divers%20football

Funny video of diving including Rivaldo, Drogba, Robben, Lenham, all known Portuguese (the editing was not made by a Portuguese so there is no selection of non Portuguese dives).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wNm0K2N_eQ&search=divers%20football

A video of Ronaldo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2NcDC9xDv8&search=divers

As you see in the 2 first videos there is diving in every team, ok maybe more in the Latin Language countries. Portugal got the label of cheaters just because of the win against England. This is the same sour loosing i found in Chelsea Barcelona, for my own shame conducted by a portuguese.
The true reason why Portugal has won all the competitive games against England in the last 20 years is found on the Third video.
Non the less, diving should be reprehended like stepping another person’s tomatoes, if it isn’t it´s not Portugal’s fault.

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  • 241.
  • At 03:46 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • James wrote:

Pedro (204)

Portugal never tried to win a penalty against England because to do so you would have to be in the penalty area!

Im sure if they had ventured that far a bit more often they would have gone down quicker than a call girls knickers! Instead all they did was shoot quicker than a call girls client!

And as for bias. If anyone has watched any sport in a country overseas then you would know that it is how the broadcaster work. At least they attempt to get neutral pundits in over here.

England and Portugal were both poor. Get over it. There is a whole world out there and it doesnt all revolve around football!

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  • 242.
  • At 03:47 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Mcel wrote:

With regards to post 211, this proves the point i was trying to make. Even though Leonardo was supporting portugal he could still give unbiased and level headed opinions unlike Shearer and Wright.

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  • 243.
  • At 03:49 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • GaryJohn wrote:

If as you say the coverage of the Portugal France game was impartial, then how come we kept hearing about the clear cut penalty incident, without one reference to the fact that Henry made an absolute meal of it?
I think perhaps if this had been Ronaldo, then it would have been pointed out.

As a neutral I would just like to say one word about the commentary team

BITTER

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  • 244.
  • At 03:50 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Gaz wrote:

Bias is understandable and acceptable. In my opinion it adds a little spice to proceedings - hence the number of posts to this thread! If pundits want to make ridiculous comments, I say let them. Alan Shearer came across as a buffoon but that was entertaining. As for the undoubted hypocrisy, well that is what people do best so we shouldn't be too surprised.

Life goes on, we still love football no matter what happens!

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  • 245.
  • At 03:50 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Ander Robertson wrote:

As a football fan of a non-league side (AFC Wimbledon) I look forward to the World Cup because of the great football we can expect to be treated to. I don't see it as a pseudo world war to sort out our world pecking order for the next few years. It would obviously be a massive bonus if England were part of the great football being played but the fact that England didn't turn up at this World cup is not going to preoccupy me for the rest of the tournament. I would rather spend my time talking about the mouthwatering final than a did he/didn't he red card. It is clear that as a nation we have not yet learnt to manage our expectations which leads to the inevitable vitriol and finger pointing.

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  • 246.
  • At 03:52 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Rob wrote:

Flavio

What major thrashing did England receive at the World Cup? You mean the penalty shootout. ASs will be recorded in the history books the result of the England v Portugal game was a 0-0 draw. Portugal won the penalty shootout to decide who progressed in a tournament. In fact England never lost a game.

Over 300,000 England supporters attended the games in Germany and there was only a hanful of arrests. Hardly the hooliganism you allege.

You are correct though that we need to introduce fresh talent such as Lennon and replace the prima donna who assume they have an automatic right of a place such as Rooney and Beckham.

Ronaldo wasn't that great either. One solitary goal (from a penalty) and no assists which demonstrates that his label of being just a "show poney" has some justification.

England's problem is that the fear of losing has become greater than the desire to win. Maybe England have inherited the "Italian disease" from Sven so now he's gone, maybe things will improve.

However, England play a fair game on the whole but like all teams occasionally try to con the ref. What bothers most people is that some teams such as Portugal have made it a matter of principle.

England were not good enough which is why they went out but the cameras have caught many teams in the act of cheating and FIFA need to address that if the game wants to regain its credibility. We are all supposed to love football but sadly football has been the loser in this tournament.

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  • 247.
  • At 03:53 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Ark wrote:

It strikes me there's a little more to this than just football.
Once again the old Anglo-European arguments break out.
We see football differently because we see almost everything differently.
English people lash out, because they feel attacked, and thus we are attacked for lashing out. Vicious circle anyone?

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  • 248.
  • At 03:55 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Akin wrote:

Regardless of what Mr. Armstrong says...only a cynic and hypocrite will fail to see that the BBC has been bias. The so-called 'pundits' including Wrighty have no place analyzing football because in most cases they don't know how to analyze but rather give their opinionated and biased view of the issue. Nobody is condoning 'dives' and 'cheats' but the tirade against the Portugese team has gone too far! We have seen players gesture to referees to show cards and referees have received pats on the back from players when an opposing player is sent off and for goodness sake! players wink all the time...Ronaldo did not gesture for a card nor did he pat the referee for showing Rooney red but oh my!...he winked! what! how dare a Portugese player(especially one that plays in the premiership) wink when an English player(and a club mate) is sent off?!...this is ludicurous and the fact that the BBC and its experts(except a "hand-few") continue to make 'a mountain out of a mole' is just unbelievable! For a journalist, Mr.Armstrong...your excuses are the type i would expect from a politician!

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  • 249.
  • At 03:56 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Sallymac wrote:

We must remember that the BBC is British so it is totally fair and normal that their coverage is England centred, I immagine it would have been the same in all Countries that were involved in the cup. However Shearer, Hansen, Lineker, Motson and others showed how childish they are by doing their best to dismiss the semifinalists with comical quotes like "Only 3 or 4 players from the semifinalists would get a game for England" "I still believe England had the best Squad" etc. etc. and the venom against Portugal was really pathetic.

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  • 250.
  • At 03:57 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • C Santos wrote:

To Stuart D

"Interesting that so many foreign 'fans' are posting on a BBC website, complaining about the content of a British TV show.

What does that say about the quality of your own programming? Life is so full of interest that you spend your time looking at what's happening in the UK? Jealous?"

No mate, some of those foreigners happen to live pretty much all around the UK, perhaps not around your neck of the woods. And we do pay the TV License too, so it does not make the BBC exclusively British.

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  • 251.
  • At 03:57 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Let me laugh wrote:

HAS THE SERIOUS BRITISH PRESS ONLY DISCOVERED RECENTLY THAT RONALDO WAS A DIVER WHEN THEY KNEW PORTUGAL WAS GOING TO PLAY ENGLAND ?

SO BEFORE IN MAN UTD. THE MOST BELOVED YOUNG PLAYER, THE BEST SOLD SHIRT, HE WAS NOT DIVING, HE WAS HELPING THE TEAM TO WIN AND EVERYBODY LOVED HIM !

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  • 252.
  • At 03:57 PM on 07 Jul 2006,
  • Richard wrote:

To all the Portuguese posters to this blog. Please allow me to explain the true reason behind this stirred up controvesy.

The reason for the supposed English media bias towards your team in general and C.Ronaldo in particular, is not sour grapes about your quarter final victory; neither is it a true concern about your teams less than praiseworthy antics; cetainly its NOT a dislike of Portugal.

It is about money - or the loss of thereof.

The 'world game' is now a multi billion euro industry; English football - in commercial terms - is now the biggest player in this industry. In recent years the levels of both corporate and media financial investment in our league and therefore, our national side have grown to colossal levels.

Our FA attracts major City of London based multinational sponsors to back the England side; our media in particular make huge sums in advertising revenue (TV, Newspapers, Radio, Web) that are far higher than any other participating nation at a World Cup or Euro.

A premature exit, however predictable, from the competition means a massive loss of potential revenue for all concerned. Especially the media as the level of public interest immediatly drops affecting viewing figures and newspaper circulation and...advertising revenue.

They need to take their frustration out on someone. In Euro 2004 it was the Ref, Urs Maier. Now who? Sven? He's gone. McLaren? He is not yet a big enough target. Our players? They would not dare attack them; they remain vital to commercial interests and have to be kept on side.

No, the scapegoat is your most gifted, foolish, spoiled brat of a player who gave our media all the ammunition thay needed by needlessly getting involved in trying to get his clubmate and our most gifted, foolish, thug of a player sent off when he did not need any help!

Q.E.D.

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