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Painful spectacle

Nick Robinson | 12:30 UK time, Thursday, 29 April 2010

Birmingham: Brows furrowed, hands clasped tight, eyes betraying anxiety. That was Team Brown on the morning after the disaster before.

The workers who met Mr Brown in a factory in Halesowen looked somewhat embarrassed to have walk-on parts in this painful spectacle. "Your firm's doing well in China," the prime minister told one who was lined up to meet him.

Her reply? "Our company's doing very well everywhere, but I think it's in spite of you."

His wife Sarah, now constantly at his side - if only she had been in Rochdale - tugged at her husband's sleeve to move him away and allow the smoother Peter Mandelson to deal with the awkward encounter.

The message this morning was clear: "Yesterday was yesterday; today is about the economy." Oh, and, Gordon Brown was quick to add, about immigration too. And "I understand the concerns people have."

Tonight was scheduled to be the moment Gordon Brown invited the public not to like him, but to listen to his warning about Tory economic plans. His worry must be: how many will be listening to him, and how many will treat him as he did Mrs Duffy and barely listen to a word he says?

PS: An intriguing story that puts tonight's debate in context. The American economist David Hale says that the governor of the Bank of England has told him that the next British government will need to launch an austerity drive so tough that it will threaten its political survival, potentially leaving that party out of power for a generation.

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  • Comment number 1.

    when labour came to power, the conservatives had left public services in tatters through underinvestment. its taken labour 13 years to get public services back to near european levels. how sickening to allow the conservatives to ruin it all over again...and with an excuse....

  • Comment number 2.

    Brown is just a train crash wherever he goes.

    How people from the Labour party can work for this team of people I can't understand.

    The Labour Party used to be a party with a soul.
    Now its just elected and tread on anyone even your own core vote to get there.

  • Comment number 3.

    What are you telling me to do Nick? Vote labour, grit my teeth for 5 years, then be rid of them for good. I do hope the UK population will be smarter than to blame the next Government for the coming hurt and not the previous one that got us in this mess.

  • Comment number 4.

    Mrs Duffy went out for a loaf of bread, and came back with Brown toast.

    Perhaps someone should work out how to get an image of Gordon on one of these:

    https://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20061129/breakfast-art-image-toaster/

  • Comment number 5.

    Does Gordon Brown starting to "understand the concerns people have" about immigration mean he's becoming a bigot too ? Caledonian Comment

  • Comment number 6.

    Wow, the blogs from Nick are coming thick and fast to make us forget the hilarious "bigoted woman" comment.

    In the absence of the tories or lib dems being even vaguely capable of pressing their case it's nice to know that Gordon Brown is capable of torpedoing Labours election chances himself!!!

    Just as I was coming round to the idea of voting for them on the basis of clearing up their own mess too!

  • Comment number 7.

    I caught this quote on Guido. Good on a fellow midlander for telling him straight.

    Suppose that makes her a bigot too.

    The PS is interesting too... anyone going to line up and rubbish the Governor?? I hope this question gets brought up at tonights show. May go some way towards explaining why whoever takes over from Gordon's Scorched Earth enterprise is treating it like a poisoned chalice....

  • Comment number 8.

    Haven't you all become slightly too obsessed with the Rochdale incident? Most people I've spoken too said it was funny but could have happened to anyone and doesn't really change their view of Brown, good or bad. It certainly isn't the biggest thing in the campaign. Doesn't your PS deserve slightly more attention and space....?

  • Comment number 9.


    You've encapsulated this well here with the closing paragraph: "His worry must be: how many will be listening to him, and how many will treat him as he did Mrs Duffy and barely listen to a word he says?"

    How right you are.

    It's difficult to know how this will all play out eventually with the electorate but one thing is for sure - it is the only political topic of conversation and despite the damage limitation it is not going away.

    Tonight's big debate is a final chance for three Westminster party leaders to put their policies on the two big issues on the minds of voters - the economy and immigration. But whatever is said will be lost in the fog.

    I suspect the unmitigated disaster of 'bigotgate' will haunt the debate?

    https://theorangepartyblog.blogspot.com/2010/04/bigot-brown-haunts-big-debate.html

  • Comment number 10.

    Nick

    The American economist David Hale says that the governor of the Bank of England has told him that the next British government will need to launch an austerity drive so tough that it will threaten its political survival, potentially leaving that party out of power for a generation

    =====================================================================

    Every Labour Government has destroyed the economy and left it for the Tories to clear up the mess this is just an historical fact.

    The only difference this time is the magnitude of the damage done by Brown.

    But the one thing that can't be avoided is Brown ground zero economic legacy has to be put right.

    The Bond markets are now waking up to the massive debt in Greece and will turn on any economy that can't come up with a credible plan.

    The markets are still hanging on to see if the one outcome that can save the economy come out of this election.

    That is a Tory win.

    The electorate and markets know that the Tories are the only ones that can take the hard decisions as they have had to do it many times in the past clearing up after Labour.

    They just have to remind the people all the time they do it that they are clearing up Browns mess

  • Comment number 11.

    Anyone with half a brain knows that we are in for an austerity drive. What is terrifying is that so many people are sticking their fingers in their ears and singing we can't hear you. And would the grown-ups please recognise the part that the present Government have played beyond what has happened globally. As a parent the amount of stuff I get offered by the State that either I don't want, don't need, or can pay for myself is astonishing, and somewhere people are getting paid to think it up, regulate it and produce it. This is only one small example and it's obvious that there has been an astronomical amount of waste. Therefore there has to be the potential for massive savings in stopping all the pointless rubbish produced. The problem is that the electorate has rather grown used to getting lots of lovely rubbish (sorry, government initiatives and advice)and will feel deprived when it no longer gets spoonfed information on the right way to get out of bed in the morning.

    Oh, and to everyone who agrees that Gordon Brown was right to call Mrs. Duffy a bigot - surely the point is that to her face he was buttering her up, and then slated her when she was out of earshot. Her vote counted more than his principles, and it is not so much rudeness that counts against him as hypocrisy.

  • Comment number 12.

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  • Comment number 13.

    What matters more? The reputation of Brown and his inability to co-ordinate mouth with feet, or the throw-away "PS:" about austerity measures?

    It's more than just the parties revealing the scale of their cuts, it's about the total lack of a coherent plan for dealing with escalating debt.

    In "normal" times (i.e. not the run up to a General Election), the fate of Greece, Portugal and Spain would serve up a severe warning as to how the cost of servicing our own national debt could spiral out of control.

    Spending cuts, quantitiative easing and taxes increases can only go so far. There comes a point - Greece has arrived there - where an economy has passed the point at which those measures have failed.

    The fact that the present Brown administration has shut the books and sat on them until after the election is far more than just a political ploy. It's almost treasonable, or would be if the opposition parties were prepared to tackle the bigger issues head on.

    It's becoming a very dangerous game. Let's be clear, economic meltdown could be more damaging than a terrorist attack and strikes to the heart of our democratic processes.

  • Comment number 14.

    Would I be annoying rockrobin7 if I said that this showed clear Tory bias, as he claims along with many other tories that there is a Labour bias nearly always? Or is this labour bias, as it is an ENTIRE blog devoted to Gordon Brown...

  • Comment number 15.

    I look forward to Gillian Duffy becoming a media voice for British ordinary people. Four cheers to her.

  • Comment number 16.

    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

  • Comment number 17.

    The last few sentances sum up why tonight's debate will leave us no further forward.

    No party will come out and tell us what's really ahead for it won't be palatable before an election.

    How ever we have a fast moving situation in the Eurozone which could eventually affect out own economy very adversely meaning even more austerity measures.

    Brown's plan of putting all of the bank debt onto sovereign debt may have worked temporarily but is now set to implode many countries in the Eurozone. His strategy is no longer working and needs to be changed but quick.

    We have to decide who we can trust to carry out in reality the harsh
    measures needed to keep this country afloat so popular politics needs to be taken out of the equation.

    If we are unable to adapt and restructure quickly we could find the markets have lost confidence completely in funding our debt leaving us up the creek without a paddle.

    Whoever gets in as one commentator put it so bluntly this morning will be so unpopular they could be out of power again for a generation.

    I do wonder about that for none of us want to see our country go bankrupt and be told what we have to do by someone who puts money first and people last.

    This debate will go on tonight but whar is said needs to be treated with a pinch of salt.

  • Comment number 18.

    Nick

    what gets under my skin is the way Brown and Labour have got away with setting the stage for the election by not having a spending review.

    The contracts need to be reviewed in order to work out the costs and the spend of each departments budgets.

    Labour purposefully did not conduct that review because they would have had to come clean about the scale of the mess they have created.

    Now as far as I can see the only ones to mention this is the IFS.

    I think you the media have been manipulated by Labour when you bang on at the other parties about not telling the truth about cuts.

    If I were going to take over a business I would not commit my self to any action that I would take until all of the required information had been supplied to me.

    This is the real world of how takeovers are carried out.

    So there is one reason that the electorate cannot be given the true picture and that is Labours attempt to hide the truth and create a situation that make it impossible for their opponents to be clear about what they will do.

    Please point this out when the spending cut subject comes up as it is a key factor.

  • Comment number 19.

    Nick, your PS has been obvious for some time to anyone who has cared to look. No wonder Labour and the Conservatives seem to be falling over themselves not to win the election.

  • Comment number 20.

    It must be obvious with the country close to bankruptcy, record debt, Brown using the printing presses to create more funny-money, other countries in the EU having their creditworthiness 'downgraded', the ONLY hope for UK plc is a complete change of direction.

    To get the country back in to solvency requires tough decisions and a huge reduction in government spending and waste.

    After 13 years of Brown's mismanagement of the economy, it's time for him and the whole rotten 'new' labour project to go.

    If Labour manages to cling to office, propped up by the Lib Dems, things can only get worse.

    Time for a real change...

  • Comment number 21.

    Hopefully at least, Labour's further fall from grace will bring an end to all the "Labour could still have most seats" nonsense coming out of the BBC, based on projections from a model of "uniform national swing" that is now completely obsolete given the volatility and 3-way nature of the current contest.

    Just because the BBC has invested in fancy graphics and on-line tools to model the outcome of the election, and taught Jeremy Vine to explain how it works, doesn't make such predictions any the more relevant.

    The fact is that on current poll ratings it is almost certain that there will be significantly more Conservative seats and fewer Labour ones than the BBC's model suggests. Indeed it's quite probable that the real story of the past week is that the Tories are heading for a comfortable majority - which some will welcome and some will fear - against this background the BBC line that Labour will somehow still be the largest party represents a collosal misjudgement.

  • Comment number 22.

    Is one correct in understanding that Nick Robinson is the same Nick Robinson who was once a former chairman of the Oxford University Conservative Association and national chairman of the Young Conservatives?
    However unfortunate Gordon Brown’s misfortune of being overheard maybe for Labour, one could argue that it would never match Margaret Thatcher’s public statements that she regarded Nelson Mandela a terrorist and Pinochet a friend.
    Also it is interesting to note that this is what Douglas Hurd wrote in his diary about Thatcher and German unification:
    "Usual diatribe against German selfishness, but the hankering to stop unification now comes less often."
    Since Nick Robinson is a very high earning BBC executive it will of course be in his interests that the Conservatives do well in the election. If the Conservatives do manage to form the next Government and succeed in their aim to cut the BBC down to size, then Mr Robinson will of course have the opportunity of joining one of Rupert Murdock’s many news organisations.

  • Comment number 23.

    Nick states that Brown barely listened to a word Mr Duffy said. This is a blatant lie - listen to the exchange - he talked to her in detail for a number of minutes. The issue is his comment afterwards. Would you make that statement if he private statement had never been heard? Of course not. Incredibly poor journalism.

  • Comment number 24.

    Good to see the mods are letting a backlog build up again...

  • Comment number 25.

    1. At 12:50pm on 29 Apr 2010, lefty10 wrote:
    when labour came to power, the conservatives had left public services in tatters through underinvestment. its taken labour 13 years to get public services back to near european levels. how sickening to allow the conservatives to ruin it all over again...and with an excuse....

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    "back to near european levels"


    Greek spending levels and where are they/


    The truth is you have just spent all of the money available and then continued to borrow our children's money to spend even more.

    It was never sustainable and our children will have to pickup the bill for your irresponsibility.

  • Comment number 26.

    I am starting to feel sorry for GB. The only place for him to go, as he is hopelessly out of his depth, is down. He'll probably have the bootmarks of all the labour opportunists all over his shoulders as they scramble to keep themselves afloat.

    Still, now we see why Cameron is trying so hard to lose the next election.

    Halesowen worker - Genius - "Its doing well in spite of you, not because of you". Couldn't ask for better soundbites for the other 2 tonight.

    What are the odds that GB will be a backbencher by june?

  • Comment number 27.

    It's funny really.

    If Brown sat in a TV or radio studio, held his head in his hands and admitted that he allowed personal debt to get completely out of control, I'd at least respect the honesty.

    Yes, the US sub-prime mortgage stuff created a massive problem.

    But Brown allowed a UK sub-prime mortgage culture to develop under his term as Chancellor. Loans well above asset value. Loans on money-to-income ratios that have never been seen before. Credit card companies offering rising credit levels with no examination of an individual's ability to pay. His creation - the FSA - was well aware that Northern Rock was pursuing a rediculous and unsustainable business strategy, but NOBODY tried to stop it.
    Brown considered Fred the Shred a great fellow Scot and was happy to see him knighted.
    (Some may say that it's a pity the sword went from one shoulder over the head to the other. Maybe if it had simply moved from one side to the other via the cervical vertebrae it would have been of benefit to RBS shareholders and the UK taxpayer...
    Sorry Mods.
    Not quite sure if that's a little too darkly visual to pass scrutiny. I'm certainly not advocating assassination, as Nicky has done in previous posts...)

    It seems blindingly obvious that whichever bunch holds the reins, the next few years are going to be grim, grim, grim.

    It hasn't been hard to point out that government spending has been out of control for years. Regardless of the US issues, Brown has been racking up annual 30-40BIL borrowings for quite a while, despite record tax-takes.

    Odd that I can't walk away from any debts I rack up, but politicians have absolutely NO legal responsibility for wasting tax monies.

  • Comment number 28.

    "lefty10 wrote:
    when labour came to power, the conservatives had left public services in tatters through underinvestment. its taken labour 13 years to get public services back to near european levels. how sickening to allow the conservatives to ruin it all over again...and with an excuse...."

    When the last Tory Government came to power they had a country in massive debt, somehow they managed to pull the country out of the swamp, now 13 years later we are even deeper in the whole.

    Why did we let Labour ruin the economy?

    But seriously - as Nick says in the PS whatever party gets in will have to make the tough choices on cuts. The economy is so bad that they really don't have a choice.

    The economy is a mess and the worrying thing is that David Hale's comments are true - the party that saves us from this debt will risk their own survival to do it because there are so many people out there that have no idea how bad things are - and how much worse they might get.

  • Comment number 29.

    Typical slime journalism from Tory Boy Robinson. What a shame we cant vote you out as we all pay your fee.

    Your sensationalist PS is pathetic. Get one of your researchers ( who we also pay for) to check out the report from David Hale ( its noted that you call it a story !!)
    Stories are the extend of your intelegence for sure !!!. We the voters have the intellect and we will decide thatnk goodness.

  • Comment number 30.

    >Its taken labour 13 years to get public services back to near european levels

    But what use are public services that rely on borrowed money, if this causes the economy to collapse?

  • Comment number 31.

    You and your 'colleagues' in the media know that Brown misheard the word 'flocking' yet have chosen not to report it. This swensationlaist approach to journalism by the BBC is putting the integrity of the BBC at risk once again.

  • Comment number 32.

    lefty 10: What planet are you on!!!!

  • Comment number 33.

    Nick - Brown's comment and the obessive media focus is sucking up the oxygen from the biggest issues facing the UK. How about reporting on more substatiative issues.

    After attending the Operation Black vote event last night at Westminster Cathedral, i have a few observations of the representatives sent by each political party.

    Harriet Harman - She opened her pitch by exclaiming 'hello brothers and sisters' which seemed peculiar and immediately set people off into laughter. I've not had any direct experience of her, but she came across as utterly useless. She was obviously under prepared and not well briefed. She spent most of her speech repeating the same things, in a rather incoherent rabble. It was a terrible speech. The most worrying thing about her speech was that she's been the Minister for Equality for a couple of years now, and yet she utterly failed to weave a coherent and sophisticated narrative about race relations in the UK in 2010. I was shocked at the intellectual vacuity of her speech. She was heckled at times, not only because of her failure to properly defend the Governments DNA database position, but as a response to being disrespectful and under prepared for an audience of 2000 people. Shame on Harriet Harman!! I was intrigued to hear the ideas of someone who has been touted as a future labour leader, but i realise now that her game is in backroom deals, belligerence and being part of an inner circle. She was terribly unimpressive. As a labour voter, i would never vote for a Harman leadership.

    George Osborne - He had a pretty difficult task. He walked to the stage to a torrent of boos, reflecting the inactivity and sometimes obstructive positions of previous (and some would argue current) conservative members and policies. There were some strained moments where he spoke about staying at the same hotel Martin Luther King was shot at, and then recounted the disadvantage black and asian people had suffered since the 50s (most people wanted to know about what they will do). However, he was obviously better briefed than Harman and was able to entwine conservative polices and ideas around business growth, the idea of family and safer communities to concerns that effect black and asian Britons. Although he was intermittently heckled throughout, he was very impressive. He did well in a difficult environment and came across as pretty likeable.

    Vince Cable - He is obviously very confident in his own skin, and it showed. He spoke of taking personal responsibility for improving the Lib Dems dire diversity record in parliament. But for me, there were two things that stood out from his speech. He was able to intricately weave core liberal democrat values to reducing inequality for the most disadvantaged. Many audience members were concerned about DNA databases, stop and search, human rights abuses, and he spoke eloquently about how they were civil liberties issues, arguing they were at the core of what Lib Dems stood for. The audience were lively and regularly heckled and shouted at the speakers. But when Cable started to speak about his own background, his white supremacist father, going to Kenya in the 60s, falling in love with an Indian woman, the pain this caused his family resulting in his father not talking to him for many years, but followed by reconciliation many years after, and his belief that a diverse country is what is wonderful about the UK, the crowd was a absolutely silent and i even saw a couple of people cry. It was obviously very emotional for him too as his wife has died. He is a top man, charming, elegant and seemingly utterly himself and not racked by self doubt or self policing himself. I might not vote Lib Dem at the election, but i he is an extremely impressive man.

  • Comment number 34.

    'Her reply? "Our company's doing very well everywhere, but I think it's in spite of you."'

    Never a truer word spoken. And Labour have more punishment lined up for business in the form of their job destruction tax.

    Looks like New Labour and Gordon Brown have finally been rumbled. Shame it took 13 years (and a £1.4 Trillion debt)

  • Comment number 35.

    So "PM seeks economy focus after slur", does he?

    This implies that his past performance and policies are something to be proud of.

    Since the media seem to be doing such a poor, supine job of it, I hope Cameron and Clegg will hold him to account for his incompetent management of the economy - having inherited a healthy surplus from the Tories, he blindly rode the crest of a wave of apparent boom (based in part on profoundly flawed credit availability & handling), claimed credit for it, made a fire-sale of our gold reserves, trashed the pension funds, squandered our economic health and led directly to the frighteningly large public debt and deficit that we and our children will now face years of necessary austerity to repay.

    For all his talk of global economic conditions being responsible, he is in my view as Chancellor and latterly PM the single most accountable individual in the UK for our current situation. It is incredible to me that the man responsible for the mess has positioned himself - virtually unchallenged - as the steady pair of hands to steer us out of it.

  • Comment number 36.

    Nick 'The American economist David Hale says that the governor of the Bank of England has told him that the next British government will need to launch an austerity drive so tough that it will threaten its political survival, potentially leaving that party out of power for a generation.'

    The Tories have broad enough shoulders and are used to being hated by the squeamish socialists. Another easy ride going going gone for the lazy and indolent.

  • Comment number 37.

    @ number 6 -

    I_Despise_Labour wrote: "Wow, the blogs from Nick are coming thick and fast to make us forget the hilarious "bigoted woman" comment."

    Yes of course that's what he's doing, because linking directly to his blog about the story in the first sentence and calling it a 'disaster' is really deflecting away from the story.

    /sarcasm

    Get real.

  • Comment number 38.

    In regard to the PS - I suppose Labour will not mind terribly if they lose then. Makes me wonder if Duffygate wasnt contrived to put off Labour voters and ensure a third place finish thereby avoiding the poison chalice or responsibility of clearing up their own mess and also allowing them to endlessly carp on about the other two parties collective failure to deliver us from evil!.

    The whole thing has a whiff of disenbling genius from the Prince of Darkness himself - who can in time doubtless cast himself as the white knight riding to the rescue!

  • Comment number 39.

    '...will need to launch an austerity drive so tough that it will threaten its political survival, potentially leaving that party out of power for a generation'

    In other words Nick, if the Tories win the election then any cuts they implement will be ENTIRELY as a resut of the economic mess they inherit from Labour. I trust you will continue to make this point post 6th May should it come to pass.

  • Comment number 40.

    It's over.

    There is nothing to debate for Gordon Brown.

    Whatever the warnings about Britain's future that future will be dealt with by someone who is not Gordon Brown and a party that is not the labour party.

    This much has been obvious to all but VOR and sagamix for some time.

    The bleating about the repairs to public services performed by newlabour are hollow words. We can't afford newlabour repairs without reforms.

    The economy is limping along but the next government will have to be bold and decisive and be ready for the abuse it will receive from its own side as well as the opposition.

    If it doesn't get to grips with the level of debt we shall be facing fifty years of austerity rather than a parliament.

    The most cowardly act has already been performed by newlabour who failed to conduct a spending review.

    The tories are the only party with the gumption to clear up this mess. The libdems slide around from one give away to the next. Their own party members contradict each other by the day and Vince Cable's Peter Perfect aura has disappeared as his prior policy utterances have been unearthed and shown him to be a shameful flip flopper on regulation.

    Voter should not just look at Greece but at Spain, Italy, Ireland, Portugal; if you don't grasp the nettle you get stung. The US grasped the nettle and is coming to the successful end of its two year deficit reduction program - this is what we will need in this country and the tories will deliver it.

    The public sector will have to take its share of the pain just as the private sector has. They can't be ring fenced just because they work for the government.

    Taxi for Brown!

  • Comment number 41.

    GraymeadYNWA how very naieve I might say your statement is. The (economic) MESS I asume you refer to, was caused by greedy bankers in a poorly regulated free market that we developed from 18 years of Tory Government and neo-liberal mantras from Thatcher, Lawson Major and Clarke - your hope the electorates longevity of memory will endure in five yeasrs time is sweet but misplaced I fear - this news has cheered me up Mr Robinson and I am liking the prospect of my grandchildren growing up in a more liberal (with a small L) society. Incidentally the Eastern European immigration that caused yesterdays row ("where are they flocking in from Gordon?" is a factor of EU membership, established in the Treaty of Rome and which we cannot prevent- now which labour Prime Minister took us into the Common Market ? oh that well known socialistTed Heath ! Neither of the points I have raised even register with the media reporting this election, so there is precious little hope the electorate will take it into considereation is there :-)

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  • Comment number 43.

    You've got to admire the cheek of the Labour spin machine for trying to say that Gordon misunderstood what the lady in Rochdale said. But in admiring it you've also got to say "enough". Spin is out of control, the spiraling debt is out of control and we're in danger of being sucked into a Euro financial crisis too. Let's just hope that people get out there next week and vote for Anyone But Gordon Brown (ABGB.co.uk) and we get a Government that's prepared to be honest about the mess Gordon has got us into. Lying isn't going to do anything but put off the inevitable disaster.

  • Comment number 44.

    Good to see some of the posters sticking up for the Lady.
    The contempt of these politicans for the working classes is staggering.

    "Let the poor drink the milk while the rich eat the honey
    Let the bums count their blessings while they count the money"
    M Johnson

  • Comment number 45.

    port @ 10

    "Every Labour Government has destroyed the economy and left it for the Tories to clear up the mess, this is just an historical fact."

    Problem with the last three words. Pls replace with the following four ...

    "soft head tory propaganda."

  • Comment number 46.

    1#

    You ever encountered any European public services, lefty?

    Speaking with any authority and knowledge of the matter at hand or just talking out of your hoop again?

  • Comment number 47.

    No wonder Cleggy hasnt leapt on Brown's Bigot-gate bandwagon, if this is the kind of thing his PPCs come out with....

    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/31087/lib-dem-warns-power-jewish-lobby

    Accusing the Israeli Defence Forces working on humanitarian ops in Haiti of harvesting organs to take back to Israel??

    Blinkin' flip...

  • Comment number 48.

    Portcullisgate @ 10 said:

    Every Labour Government has destroyed the economy and left it for the Tories to clear up the mess this is just an historical fact.

    That's a great little fact. You keep believing it if it makes you feel better. Here's another....

    Every Tory government has wrecked public services to give tax breaks to the upper and upper-middle class and left it to the next Labour government to sort that mess out. 13 years and we finally have good public services that work. Dave will just use the "Austerity" drive as an excuse to do what Torys do best, look after themselves and screw the poor to the wall to do it.

    I pray for a red-yellow coalition after this election so we can have full PR and keep the shower that are Daves "New" Tory party out of power forever more amen...

  • Comment number 49.

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  • Comment number 50.

    I will be a first time voter, and one of the things I don't understand is why Gordon Brown and labour are still hailed as strong on the economy... Can anyone put me straight if I've got any of this wrong?

    Mr Brown took the credit for a booming economy as and half of the country ran up excessive personal debt (encouraged by unregulated banks) to fund the consumer spending that created the boom.

    Believing this would continue forever and not "bust", he continued to borrow (and spend) effectively re-mortgaging the country against future earnings (based on the boom continuing) - leaving the UK with a mountain of debt even when this turned out to not be the case.

    Granted the recession is global, and the bankers played a part (albeit with the full support of Mr Brown) but would a different government professed to have eliminated the trade cycle and re-mortgaged the country in accordance?

    To put it another way - If my house was to accidently burn down I wouldn't expect anyone to blame me... unless prior to it happening I'd claimed to have invented a way of completely fireproofing my house, cancelled my fire insurance policy and spent the money accordingly.

    The "evil bankers" and endless repetetive overuse of the term "global" when mentioning the crash seem to have deflected attention away from the governments role, but I'm surprised Cameron and Clegg haven't taken GB to task on the above... William Hague touched on it on Question Time last week and left the poor old labour representive looking very uneasy before reverting to endlessly mentioning "global" and "bankers" in attempting to dodge the question.

  • Comment number 51.

    It really doesn't matter who wins unless the winners are willing to down-size and control the banks. The bankers made a lot of money creating the problem and now stand by like vultures over a dying animal ready to pounce and bleed every country as they attempt to recover. When banks are so big that they can determine both economic and political politices they need to be down-sized. Not since the Medici family have bankers exercised so much control over the fate of nations.

  • Comment number 52.

    When are people going to wake up to the fact that governments have relatively little influence on economic cycles?

  • Comment number 53.

    #10
    Gordon Brown's mess? I didn't know he was a banker. Where he did fail was in setting up the woefully inadequate FSA, and listening to the banks (the people and institutions who REALLY got this country into its current parlous state) who said they needed less regulating.
    Well guess what happened...
    And as for your assertion that this forthcoming election is a Tory win, you should perhaps look at a few poll results before placing any money on the result.

  • Comment number 54.

    Every time the Conservatives come to power, Labour have left public finances in tatters through reckless spending. It took 17 years last time to get the public finances back to near to European levels. It will be sickening if the Conservatives put it right this time only for Labour to ruin it all over again....there is no excuse to ever vote Labour again.

  • Comment number 55.

    Yes, Nick Robinson - your PS was very useful and your link useful.

    Indeed, perhaps the last thing that Britain needs, or wants to hear, are opinions on our economy from an American economist - or maybe most of Europe right now?

    Fairly sure, most Americans would be resentful too, of any European economist's opinions on their economy?

  • Comment number 56.


    Her reply? "Our company's doing very well everywhere, but I think it's in spite of you."

    Glad to see someone who is prepared to say what she thinks to the person's face...

    Reaction: Brown was then tugged away before he could put his foot in it again.

    Is he learning anything from meeting down-to-earth working people? Or will this person be villified in private for ..... whatever?

  • Comment number 57.

    "Doing well in China?"
    Good news for the German owners then. Pity about LDV, MG Rover, etc. etc. though! Pity Gordon couldn't even support local tourist industry, choosing to stay in Manchester instead!

  • Comment number 58.

    The person to blame here has to Mrs Duffy.

    If there's one thing that one must have leant after 13 years of labour goverment is not to make any noises that could be constuded as cricitism in any shape or form whatsoever Of TB or GB.

    David kelly, The Generals, Robin Cook, Clare Short, Head Teachers,
    Hospital Chiefs even AD himself, the list could go on and on.

    First a personal apology from Gordon Brown followed up by a very personal visit from one of the team.


    On a lighter note, it would have been great fun to be a fly on the wall back at Labour HQ's yesterday
    Diary reads

    Day 1. All went well
    Day 2. Not so good - PM and Labour Leader calls Lifetime Labour supporter a Biggotted Women.

    It would have been a pretty boring had we not got at least one Prescot moment during the Campaign.





  • Comment number 59.

    #2. At 12:50pm on 29 Apr 2010, PortcullisGate wrote:

    "Brown is just a train crash wherever he goes."

    That sort of comment is becoming an insult.....



    .....to train crashes!

  • Comment number 60.

    31. At 1:36pm on 29 Apr 2010, J Duffy wrote:
    You and your 'colleagues' in the media know that Brown misheard the word 'flocking' yet have chosen not to report it. This swensationlaist approach to journalism by the BBC is putting the integrity of the BBC at risk once again.

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    Brown's comment; "Everything she said" would tend to fly in the face of any claim that he missheard a single word.

    Doncha think?

  • Comment number 61.

    I have supported labour all my working life. Worked in challenging schools in Birmingham and Yorkshire. I too am a 'son of the Manse' and went to a Methodist school.

    However as long as Gordon Brown is leader of the Labour party they will not have my vote. His reference to 'bigot' and the subsequent conversation overheard in the car told me all I needed to know about the inner Brown and his attitudes and relationships with colleagues. Brown the bully shines through.

  • Comment number 62.

    22. At 1:26pm on 29 Apr 2010, EuroJurist wrote:
    Is one correct in understanding that Nick Robinson is the same Nick Robinson who was once a former chairman of the Oxford University Conservative Association and national chairman of the Young Conservatives?

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    Same organisation that famous Tory Ed Balls belonged to.

  • Comment number 63.

  • Comment number 64.

    Yes, Nick a lot of people are very worried about volumes of immigration and inward migration.

    Existing immigrants/migrants - from anywhere in the world - are bright, educated and intelligent people who are deeply aware and concerned at the pressure on natural resources, services, schools and hospitals.

    The subject of immigration should be more inclusive - there has to be a public platform for existing immigrants to be allowed to acknowledge that their jobs, health, council tax, water/energy/welfare costs affect their situation equally?

  • Comment number 65.

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  • Comment number 66.

    We understand that the Rochdale incident was "a mistake". Yes, Brown has apologised, and yes, he is mortified. But only because he was caught. All that stuff about realising you have made a mistake and then being keen to rectify it as soon as possible is nonsense. Are we to believe that, had he not had the microphone on, he would have made some unguarded comments in the car, immediately realised that he was in error, and then ordered the car to turn round so that he could track down Mrs Duffy and apologise for his unworthy thoughts ?

    He was unlucky to be caught, but there was no "misunderstanding".

  • Comment number 67.

    Thats rich coming from King the Governor of the BOE, if the story is true. It would have been much more helpful if he would had been slightly more vocal about Britains problems, rather than dancing to the same tune as the Government for so long.

    Perhaps though he has his own agenda, does he perhaps see that his job maybe going along with Labours swan song. He has not been the most useful of representatives of the BOE, even though his powers were curtailed by Browns with his set up of the dreadful FSA. Is King now saying Osborne was right about the age of austerity, upon which he would not comment before.

    Don't get me wrong, I do believe that Brown and his cronies have tried to stitch up any incoming Government. Labour have done so by continuing to prop the economy up with debt instead of taking the hard choices and increasing future spending plans that can never be met. Hiding the truth from the public with a sea of debt is crafty, however it is to hoped the British public will see the truth as events unfold over the coming years.

  • Comment number 68.

    Interesting PS Mr Robinson. There was I thinking I am slipping into conspiracy theory madness when wondering if everyone is trying to lose this election. I remember Maggie's comment the day after the '87 election "From today, Labour are unelectable" {if I recall correctly} and I winced at the hubris. The end for her was obviously on the way. Pride was a few years ahead of fall but it came. But I have wondered whether a vote for Brown and Labour will put Labour in the Brown stuff so deeply that they will never, ever recover. Perhaps then the decent MPs in Labour will leave and start the Deeply Sensible, Middle of the Road Party that I long for.

  • Comment number 69.

    #23 Greg "Nick states that Brown barely listened to a word Mr Duffy said. This is a blatant lie - "

    I think you may be confusing him hearing what she said in order to pick out the key words so that he could deliver the pre-rehearsed answers to them (which is what all politicians do), with hearing what she said, understanding what she meant, valuing her opinions and taking them on board even if he disagreed with her. (which is what none of them do)

    That said, anyone of us can make a remark in private that if heard in public would not be good. Remember though that when any politician gets out of a car they are stepping onto a stage and playing a role, just like an actor. When they get back in the car, they are off stage, and he forgot the mic. Plenty of actors have done that and regretted it.

    However, that doesn't excuse his ruining private sector pensions, the economy, [insert long list to suit]

  • Comment number 70.

    "The American economist David Hale says that the governor of the Bank of England has told him that the next British government will need to launch an austerity drive so tough that it will threaten its political survival, potentially leaving that party out of power for a generation."

    Maybe I SHOULD vote Tory then....

  • Comment number 71.

    re last para of good post at #35
    I get the impression that GB has been spinning away for his whole lifetime and like many luvvies has come to believe his own publicity. I see something of the post 1917 Revolution party apparatchik in GB. He is undoubtedly clever in some ways; good at passing exams and processing paper and filling posts while wriggling ever upwards to bigger jobs. And possibly good at presenting certain faces to certain people or groups of people. Think there may have been more to the Cable 'Stalin' jibe than we might appreciate.

  • Comment number 72.

    Nick

    There is breaking news that The Economist magazine has endorsed the Cameron and the Conservatives in the election.

  • Comment number 73.

    41. At 1:50pm on 29 Apr 2010, ReDinOxford wrote:
    GraymeadYNWA how very naieve I might say your statement is. The (economic) MESS I asume you refer to, was caused by greedy bankers in a poorly regulated free market that we developed from 18 years of Tory Government and neo-liberal mantras from Thatcher, Lawson Major and Clarke

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    Whew!

    People in glass houses really ought not to throw stones.

    You are honestly, with a straight face and a clear conscience, accusing someone of being naive because they believe a government of 13 years might actually be responsible for the nation's finances?

    You need to challenge some of the stuff that comes from HQ bud, or you really will look a bit foolish. And I don't want anyone to look foolish.

    The banks of course played their part. But the regulation is the responsibility of the currnet government (BOE under Tories, the regulation that failed was the FSA implemented by Brown). And you really must try to remember, even if Brown hadn't allowed the credit bubble in the UK to grow unchecked, we were still running a pretty massive structural deficit long before the first rumblings of trouble were coming from the banks.

    Save some of the proceeds from the fake boom I have encouraged with my "light touch" regulation? Never. For I am Gordon Brown, and I have abolished boom and bust.

  • Comment number 74.

    #40 rockrobin7

    A lot of cockiness there when most votes have not yet even been cast. Nothing like a bit of triumphalism, eh?

    Even if the Tories do win then it won't be because of any enthusiasm for Cameron or his policies - if anything he has managed to turn off voters since the start of the campaign as his poll numbers sagged. The whole Big Society thing was a disaster.

    If elected, the chances are that the Tories will collapse in on themselves within 2 years as they are so divided on most major issues.

    With the tough decisions that need to be made over the next few years, history may swell show that the 'winner' of this election was tbe parties that lost.

  • Comment number 75.

    J Duffy 31

    You and your 'colleagues' in the media know that Brown misheard the word 'flocking' yet have chosen not to report it. This swensationlaist approach to journalism by the BBC is putting the integrity of the BBC at risk once again.

    ----------------------------------------------------------

    For goodness sake stop being so desperate, it is so embarrassing. Why would the BBC report on something that everyone knows is not true. Its your own integrity that is in doubt no one elses.

  • Comment number 76.

    41 If what you are saying is true about "greedy bankers in a poorly regulated free market that we developed from 18 years of Tory Government and neo-liberal mantras from Thatcher, Lawson Major and Clarke" is indeed true then it follows that Brown managed to achieve nothing in 13 years as Chancellor and PM.
    I'm not a supporter of his but he did make some positive impacts over that time but there were a lot of negatives, if he hadn't taken so much credit perhaps he now wouldn't be open to so much blame.
    Blaming Ted Heath for the European Immigration is really clutching at straws. I'm not sure anyone in the UK envisaged this, when we joined, voted yes in a referendum, laughed out a labour manifesto advocating withdrawal from the EEC or even signed the Maastrict Treaty. By the time Blair/Brown agreed the Constitution/Treaty we had a few suspicions though! Both Labour and Tory governments have a certain amount to blame in creating the current european vision its faults and positives.

  • Comment number 77.

    22. At 1:26pm on 29 Apr 2010, EuroJurist wrote:
    Is one correct in understanding that Nick Robinson is the same Nick Robinson who was once a former chairman of the Oxford University Conservative Association and national chairman of the Young Conservatives?

    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    YOUR JOKING?????? THAT CANT BE TRUE??????

    Oh, no wait, I remember reading about that on another blog, and another one before that, and another one before that... See where I am going with this???

    Fool.

  • Comment number 78.

    45. At 1:56pm on 29 Apr 2010, sagamix wrote:
    port @ 10

    "Every Labour Government has destroyed the economy and left it for the Tories to clear up the mess, this is just an historical fact."

    Problem with the last three words. Pls replace with the following four ...

    "soft head tory propaganda."
    ================================================================

    SAGA

    I have put this to you before but you ran for the hills.

    NAME ME ONE LABOUR GOVERNMENT FROM THE ALL OF THEM THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED AN ECONOMIC SUCCESS?

    Answer this SAGA or all will see you are full of it

  • Comment number 79.

    48#

    "I pray for a red-yellow coalition after this election so we can have full PR and keep the shower that are Daves "New" Tory party out of power forever more amen..."

    something tells me you'll not be putting something in the local newspaper thanking St Jude for prays answered next Friday morning Bryn..... LOL!

  • Comment number 80.

    #39 jobsagoodin

    "In other words Nick, if the Tories win the election then any cuts they implement will be ENTIRELY as a resut of the economic mess they inherit from Labour. I trust you will continue to make this point post 6th May should it come to pass."

    Actually the Tories have made a point of explaining that they will cut more than Labour would over the lifetime of the parliament.

    Therefore many of the cuts would be directly as a result of the Tory policy - nothing to do with Labour. Also the recession that the Tories would tip us back into will be the their fault too as they have been warned (by 108 economists now).

    And when the Tories cut inheritance tax for wealthy people while nurses, doctors, polices officers and teachers are losing their jobs then we will definately know who to blame.

  • Comment number 81.

    Just read Sabian Mcleod's post at #33. Thank you for that insight; I found it really helpful.

  • Comment number 82.

    An intriguing story that puts tonight's debate in context. The American economist David Hale says that the governor of the Bank of England has told him that the next British government will need to launch an austerity drive so tough that it will threaten its political survival, potentially leaving that party out of power for a generation

    As a dyed in the wool Tory supporter i would love to see Bruin CLING on to power with the help of the Yellow Party just to see them destroyed trying to keep out the IMF.

  • Comment number 83.

    44#

    Great track, one of the best albums of the 1980's.

    "So many people cant express whats on their minds,
    Nobody knows them, nobody ever will,
    until their backs are broken, their dreams are stolen,
    And if they cant get what they want then they're gonna get angry...."

    Will the stains on the heartland ever be removed?

  • Comment number 84.

    In spite of the bad press on a bad public relations situation, I do believe that of the three (3) candidates, Gordon Brown is the candidate that best understands the economy and best understand Immigration. In other words, he has experience.
    I also believe he understands the concerns of the people.
    Okay - so he is not always socially adept; perhaps, he is a quiet, more comtemplative person – never really sopcialized into politically correct statements, prone to otherwise humiliating gaffes.
    Tonight, as you say, is to be the moment that Gordon Brown has invited the public not to like him, but to listen to his warning about Tory economic plans. His worry must be: how many will be listening to him, and how many will treat him as he did Mrs Duffy - barely listen to a word he says.
    Gordon Brown made a mistake in the handling of Mrs. Duffy – at least an after-mistake in not turning off his mike.
    He apologized; he went out of his way to apologize. What do we want from the socially-ungifted Gordon Brown?
    As for American economist, David Hale saying that Governor of the Bank of England has told him that the next British government will need to launch an austerity drive so tough that it will threaten its political survival, potentially leaving that party out of power for a generation.
    The Chicago-based, David Hale has also said that he thinks the United Kingdom will be next on the road to econmic ruin. His rationale: Right now the polls suggest it could be a hung parliament, and if a hung parliament, led by either the Conservatives or by the Labour Party, there is no time to produce a meaningful budget to reduce their fiscal deficit. Further, he believes that Britain's credit rating will fall from triple A to double A.
    David Hale does a lot of TV/radio shows; perhaps, you get an interview with him - he's got plenty of unusual thoughts to share.

  • Comment number 85.

    29#

    "We the voters have the intellect and we will decide thatnk goodness."

    Er.... yes.... you may be being overgenerous here......

  • Comment number 86.

    MARK_WE

    "When the last Tory Government came to power they had a country in massive debt, somehow they managed to pull the country out of the swamp, now 13 years later we are even deeper in the whole."

    Thats very selective memory Mark.

    Don't you remember the two recessions caused by Thatcher? The 3 million+ people unemployed?

    You make it sound like we had permanent growth when the Tories were in power when thats not true. We had a few years growth followed by recession and so on - Boom and Bust.

    At least we have had a continuous period of growth - which started before Labour came to power after the ERM debacle (another Tory disaster) and only ended last year.

    In actual fact - thats pretty amazing for our economy.

    The massive deficit and debt we have now built up is due to the unforeseen global credit crunch and banking collapse.

    We are not alone in the world in having to now deal with aftermath of this but we were affected more because of this countries reliance on the service industry.

    My point is that since the 2nd half of Major's time as PM our economy has been run pretty well.

    Even then Ken Clarke nearly wrecked it before the 1997 election by keeping interest rates to an artificially low level for electoral gain and reducing taxes. It was a tactic that threatened to cause the same boom / boost cycle to happen again shortly after Labour came to power.

    Gordon Brown should be given credit for giving the Bank of England independence at that time and stopping the British economy from going pear-shaped after the '97 election.

    Sadly I think what will happen if the Tories get in is the same as what we are used to. They will play politics with the economy and that will involve another 4-5 year cycle of boom then recession.

    With the deficit and debt to repay we can't afford that.

  • Comment number 87.

    # 40 rockRobin 7

    Whilst I agree with your summary of the situation, sadly it's not over yet!

    There is still a very real possibility of a hung parliament, with Labour and Lib-Dems forming a coalition. It's possible Lib Dems would demand that Brown hands over the keys to Number 10 to someone else in return for their support, but Labour could nevertheless still be in power.

    In the event of a coalition - we could expect governmental paralysis and horse-trading instead of getting on with cutting the deficit. The Lib Dems, as we know, are obsessed with changing the voting system to suit their own party, handing yet more power to the EU - and joining the Euro (page 67 of the Lib Dem 2010 manifesto)

    With German Chancellor Angel Merkel understandably reluctant to bail out Greece with a loan that would never be repaid, there is talk that the EU should have more power to 'oversee' the finances of member states.

    Cameron has promised no more powers to Brussels without a referendum (page 113 Conservative manifesto 2010). Labour and Lib Dems both broke their 2005 manifesto pledges on the constitutional treaty, so cannot be trusted ever again.

    A hung parliament with Labour and Lib-Dems at the wheel would be a disaster.

    Sadly, it's not over yet....

    If people want a better future for our country, don't hope for it.... vote for it!

  • Comment number 88.

    Nick try to be a bit more objective. Sarah Brown may have tugged Gordon's sleeve to move him on after the 'awkward question' but the way I saw it was that Gordon called Peter Mandleson forward to have word with the woman.

  • Comment number 89.

    Bryn The Cat 48

    Correction we have public services Britain cannot afford. It is also very questionable if they are good. Britain has seen very little improvement in services for all the money spent. Yes, the public sector has been expanded using borrowed money to do so. However the money has mainly gone to provide higher wages, quangos and administration non jobs. The money should have been spent on investment in the private sector to create real jobs, then expansion of the public sector as Britains wealth increased. Doing it the other way round, as Brown has done, has just left a mountain of debt.

    You people think that those who work hard in the private sector, lose their pensions, take all the hit of the recession, should be rewarded with higher and higher taxation to pay for non jobs and unaffordable pensions in the public sector. When there is non private sector left to pay for the public sector, what will you do then?

    Just coming out with the same old rhetoric does not mean it is true, no matter how many times you say it. However you keep praying, there will always be someone who will see it your way no doubt. Living in denial is always useful when you do not want to face the truth.

  • Comment number 90.

    Robin, please stop dodging my question. What is it? On come on, you know what it is ... if you're so concerned about the deficit, if it's keeping you up at night (more than usual, I mean), how come you're not going to vote for the party which the IFS judges to be the most honest and sober and realistic on the matter?

    The Liberal Democrats.

    It's because you're only bothered about "your chaps" getting back, isn't it? The tories. It's your turn, right?

    Tribal politics. Be the death of us.

  • Comment number 91.

    "His wife Sarah, now constantly at his side - if only she had been in Rochdale - tugged at her husband's sleeve to move him away and allow the smoother Peter Mandelson to deal with the awkward question."

    ===

    Smoother, as in oleaginous.

  • Comment number 92.

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  • Comment number 93.

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  • Comment number 94.

    36. At 1:43pm on 29 Apr 2010, sircomespect wrote:
    Nick 'The American economist David Hale says that the governor of the Bank of England has told him that the next British government will need to launch an austerity drive so tough that it will threaten its political survival, potentially leaving that party out of power for a generation.'

    The Tories have broad enough shoulders and are used to being hated by the squeamish socialists. Another easy ride going going gone for the lazy and indolent.

    ===========================================

    You may be underestimating the scale of what is going to need to be done and how unfair it is all going to seem to a majority of voters, not just the lazy and indolent. Some hard working but poor people will suffer, being poorer or less advantage does not equate to lazy and indolent - some one has to work minimum wage to service the profits of the business owners.

    This is going to hurt - and hurt people lash out. The people you describe hate the Tories anyway, it is the the rest of the population you need worry about.

    What this country needs is a coalition (yellow/blue) or a minority Conservative government with sufficient base to survive backbench rebellion (probably for not being nasty enough) with bilateral support.
    To do what needs to be done needs support from representatives of the majority of those who vote to be involved and stand behind it.

    If a minority are seen to do it this is going to end up badly I fear and we could end up in a far worse place in several years.
    I don't expect you could rely on Argentina to save a first term Cameron government.

  • Comment number 95.

    Painful economics:
    -weekly public sector deficits of 3 billion;
    -debt expressed in pounds growing faster than the economy (40 billion vs 3 billion in first quarter; yes, growth in the first quarter was not a bigger amount than the current weekly deficits);
    -lowest employment rate since 1996, despite the deficits and the 1 million public sector employment increase;
    -inflation higher than 3%, which is why the Bank of England is keeping its index-linkers.

    Ugly enough to spill your gaffe latte!

  • Comment number 96.

    "Tonight was scheduled to be the moment Gordon Brown invited the public not to like him, but to listen to his warning about Tory economic plans. His worry must be: how many will be listening to him, and how many will treat him as he did Mrs Duffy and barely listen to a word he says?"

    ===

    I think we are beyond that now. People will listen to the debate intently, listen to Gordon, and be asking themselves:

    "Where are they flocking from, Gordon?"

  • Comment number 97.

    Interesting interpretation from the Guardian. Refreshingly candid and honest.

    https://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/apr/28/bigot-gordon-brown-gillian-duffy

  • Comment number 98.

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  • Comment number 99.

    48. At 1:59pm on 29 Apr 2010, Bryn The Cat wrote:
    Portcullisgate @ 10 said:

    Every Labour Government has destroyed the economy and left it for the Tories to clear up the mess this is just an historical fact.

    That's a great little fact. You keep believing it if it makes you feel better. Here's another....

    Every Tory government has wrecked public services to give tax breaks to the upper and upper-middle class and left it to the next Labour government to sort that mess out. 13 years and we finally have good public services that work. Dave will just use the "Austerity" drive as an excuse to do what Torys do best, look after themselves and screw the poor to the wall to do it.

    -------------

    To which good public services do you refer?

    The schools that fail to teach our kids to read and write?

    The police force that spends a diproportionate amount of time on paperwork?

    A transport infrastructure which can not suppor the population?

    An NHS that does not employ nurses newly qualified nurses educated British Nursing colleges, instead employing temp nurses from abroad through agencies at far greater costs because their expenses are considered less sensitive?

    My services were at least as good under the previous Tory administration. And they did not bankrupt the country for the privelege.

    What services are you referring to that I don't get?

  • Comment number 100.

    Would Sarah really have prevented yesterday? Is she some kind of angel of goodwill and peace to all politicians? Do we really need our male politicians to have their wives in toe to keep the peace? Is this election in 2010 or 1910?

 

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