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Rose has learned the art of winning

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Iain Carter | 15:53 UK time, Monday, 12 March 2012

Sound of body, sound of mind. Justin Rose has never been physically stronger. And mentally he grows tougher by the day.

In contrast, Tiger Woods is left fretting and fearing after yet another injury setback.

The difference in fortunes heading towards the Masters could not be greater.

Rose can go into the year's first major with sky-high confidence after his first World Golf Championships victory in Miami on Sunday. Woods, meanwhile, is hobbling, his promising start to the year well and truly undermined by his latest Achilles injury.

Fitness is such a key component. The world's top three, Rory McIlroy, Luke Donald and Lee Westwood have reaped the benefits of punishing gym regimes. And add to that list the winner at Doral.

Rose has put behind him niggling and nasty back problems to start producing the best golf of his life.

His talent has never been in doubt but, too often, periods of fine form have been hampered by his longstanding back condition. Those days now appear to be behind the 31-year-old Englishman.

A final round two-under 70 was enough for Rose to win his fourth USPGA Tour win in Florida by a shot from Bubba Watson. Photo: Getty

"His confidence has been really high for quite some time," Rose's manager Marcus Day told BBC Sport. "It's a combination of hard work, putting better and a change to his set-up which has helped to eliminate his back problems."

This injury-preventing alteration has been supervised by coach Sean Foley who, ironically, seems to have been unable to do something similar for Woods, another of his pupils, who limped out of Doral with that problem in his left Achilles.

"Justin's set-up at the ball is very different," added Day, who also praised the work Rose has done with his Weybridge-based strengthening and conditioning coach Justin Buckthorp.

"He's had to work at it and put in the hours at the gym and he does an awful lot of stretching too," said Day.

Winning a WGC is a massive breakthrough for Rose, who in majors has still to better his fourth place finish at the 1998 Open when he was a 17-year-old amateur.

"There was a spell where I felt that I was competing nicely in the majors," said Rose. "In 2007, I had four Top 12 finishes and I had a good run at the Masters. I was one back on the 71st hole."

He finished fifth on that occasion but now he feels genuinely ready to challenge for the game's biggest prizes.

"I like the tougher tests, to be honest with you," said the Florida-based Englishman. "Hopefully I can back up that thought process this year.

"I'm getting old," smiled Rose. "I'm 31 now. I've learned the hard way a little bit.

" I've certainly had my chances in the past, as well. It's kind of nice to get a little bit of momentum and confidence going.

"I think it's probably a confidence thing. When I do get into contention now, I believe I can go ahead and close it out."

Like McIlroy and Donald, Rose seems to have learned the art of winning. This was his fourth victory in the last 20 months and, in showing a growing maturity when in contention for titles, he will travel to Augusta as a genuine Masters contender.

"Maybe you desensitise a little bit to the pressure," says Rose. "To the cameras, to the crowd and you get more comfortable.

"I think that's why guys like Tiger and Phil Mickelson are so good down the stretch and under pressure because they have done it so often."

But Woods is still struggling to recapture that killer instinct, having not won a counting Tour event since 2009.

Furthermore, once again, his concerns now are again more physical than mental.

Limping away from Miami was a huge blow to the former world number one. It shows that frailty in his left leg persists and it threatens the encouraging swing work he has been doing with Foley.

Woods missed the Open and US Open after injuring his left knee at last year's Masters and now another all too brief period of apparent full fitness has ended.

Woods was the inspiration behind the gym regimes of so many top players. Today professional golfers have never been stronger and the example set by the 14-times major champion is one of the primary reasons.

It is an extreme irony and desperately sad that a lack of fitness has so undermined Woods' career in recent years and continues so to do.

Rose, meanwhile, is the latest to offer proof that, when the body is strong, there is a much improved chance that the mind will be as well.


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  • Comment number 1.

    I must admit, Justin had kind of fallen off my radar recently, but well done. Pretty impressive with such a high quality field.

    Somebody who says "I'm 31 now, getting old" annoys me a bit, though :-)

  • Comment number 2.

    Got the first post wow are all the day bloggers asleep or has this slipped in under the radar.
    A good win for Rose though Bubba Watson blew a winning opportunity choker ??
    Another good performance from Rory but the funny story missed on the blog was Casey's hole in one and the bet he had with his Caddy, bet his caddy was pig sick heres a car oh but we dont want to give you that priceless.

  • Comment number 3.

    Dam pipped at the post!

  • Comment number 4.

    Good golf this weekend guys

    Rose was confident he could do it and I think he thought he had Watson's number
    He was disappointed he wasn't in the final group so he could psych him out

    I sort of like Watson though he comes out with some great quotes and he's an off the wall sort of bloke which is refreshing in a world of boring predictables
    Weird swing which will never hold up under pressure

    I might take a couple of weeks off watching the box and mow that lawn as the wife keeps reminding me
    Should have it done by the Masters if I get cracking

    Is the bloggers Masters going to happen? (joke)
    I am intrigued to see if James Matthews is as he seems to be
    I think he's a 17 handicap golfer with a 1 handicap ego and 24 handicap social skills

    Not sure what I could have done to upset diamond v neck jumper or whatever he calls himself.
    Apparently he doesn't like me according to a previous blog
    Ah well

  • Comment number 5.

    Great days work for Justin - Typical American TV coverage - All Woods even showing him driving away from the course!
    Best thing to happen for Rose was not being in the last group - less pressure

    Good performance from Rory, Keegan, Bubba and Luke as well

    Funny how Tiger's injury flared up when he realised he had no chance of winning.

  • Comment number 6.

    @5 so you think he was faking it?
    He did not have much chance of winning last week but stuck it out.

  • Comment number 7.

    @ 6

    Could not agree more, I am so sick of USA golf coverage with that moustachioed idiot fourning over Wood's every move. Time for them to accept the fact Wood's is not the force he was and show some of the other golfers on the course. After all they are all professionals and I would imagine the sponsors of Rose etc. are miffed at their lack of exposure

  • Comment number 8.

    opps I meant @5

  • Comment number 9.

    First of all, I am sure im not alone, and the regular blogger's will agree in wishing Jarrod Lyle a speedy recovery from his reoccurance of leukeimia, my thoughts are with him and his family.

    @ 5.....Typical across the pond comment (given your name), grow up!!!

    Davey, How you doing m8

  • Comment number 10.

    Sorry daveyboyfletcher but it's been my life long ambition to be the first poster on one of Iain's blogs

    divotedgolfer - I don't think anyone dislikes you - Did you catch one of BiloMcT's surreal but compellingly amusing posts? I have this image in my mind of BiloMcT looking like that bloke in "Full Metal Jacket" who shoots his drill sergeant before turning the gun on himself. This is why I'd never come to an "Iain Carter blog golf day".

  • Comment number 11.

    Great result for Rosie. For a moment I thought the boy wonder was going to grab it after holing out from the sand. Not to be this time. Still, the euros are have started well this season - I noticed a top ten finish for Mr Donald as well! More peg trouble for Woods? You have to start to seriously worry for that guy's health. At 36 he's got a few years left but the more he misses recovering from injury the closer he's getting to the big 4 zero...

  • Comment number 12.

    guys great news about potential golf day. ill fill you all in tomorrow when i have more news

  • Comment number 13.

    also....Tiger was faking it for sure

  • Comment number 14.

    I think Bubba Watson, and Keegan Bradley too, provided all the idiots who label Donald and Westwood as 'chokers' e.g. BiloMct, james mathew, Don247, mickysausage, of what choking really looks like.

    In Watson's case spraying the ball all over the place over the front 9 and in Bradley's putting like a 28 handicapper on the back 9.

  • Comment number 15.

    @13 bilo...And i thought you had turned over a new leaf!!!!!!! You now question TW's integrity????

  • Comment number 16.

    great to see Justin rose win another big tournament. i can still remember him holing out from the sand when he was an amateur in the open and then him missing about 20 cuts in a row when he turned pro. he stuck at it and although he doesn't seem to do anything spectacular he has quite often beat fields with the best players in the world.
    Rory had another good week - was off the boil in the first round and no surprise there after his whirlwind week becoming number 1, but then he shoots, 69, 65 and 67 to come 3rd! and he missed 2 or 3 putts inside 10 feet aswell on the last day. the signs are looking ominous for the rest of the field if he continues in this form.
    Luke Donald also looking back on form so its going to heat up for the Masters - bring it on.

  • Comment number 17.

    @mattefc to be fair to Bilo the man did drive away after suffering an Achilles injury...? suspicious

  • Comment number 18.

    Putting his back problems behind him? Not sure that's the best idea.

    Really great to see Rose getting back up there, definitely a contender on his day.

  • Comment number 19.

    i'm pleased for mr rose but i cant help but think that this is a one off. he has undoubted talent but isnt quite in the same league as westwood, donald, mcilroy, norris etc. he will probs pick up a few more pga tour wins but majors will forver elude him

  • Comment number 20.

    @17 LV...Automatic car???? Listen the fact is, by all accounts its sounds pre cautionary , now given the fact the injuries he has had and the obvious back of the mind scenario, i think it was well within his right to pull out. My opinion with TW is if he has one more major injury he will walk away from golf. But this is bordering on stupid to suggest the guy was faking an injury.

  • Comment number 21.

    Don't usually comment on the blogs but here goes...

    First up, I would echo you @mattefc in wishing Jarrod Lyle a speedy recovery from his battle against Lukemia.

    Secondly, on the TW issue, he was quoted as saying he felt it tighten in the warm up. If you're going to pull out as a precaution you do it before the 1st shot and not on the 11th tee on the final day when you are going backwards on the leaderboard.

    I'm not doubting the injury, just puzzled as to why he waited so long if his Achilles tightened up in the warm up. After one or two holes and pull out maybe but 11...

    I think it shows disrepect to the tournament, the sponsors and his playing partner.

  • Comment number 22.


    Rose is one of those steady, unspectacular players who gets things done without great fuss and therefore comes in 'under the radar' a bit. Believe me, he is a great talent and there are far less talented major winners than him. Look at his 2007 major record, he could easily have won the Masters and worst finish T12 in all four. His back problems have really held him back since then, but if he stays fit, as it appears he will, don't write him off for a major in the next few years, especially if the short stick gets going. An Open or a USPGA (or both) by 2015 wouldn't surprise me.

  • Comment number 23.

    Hi matte all good thanks another good tournament shame about Tiger just as he was showing some form, funny how some people would think he would fake injury a joke.
    The guy played on one leg with a stress fracture and knee that was shot, so doubters get real.
    There seems to be a change in the guard a bit with Keegan Bradley playing well again and Rory there again though Kaymer who I thought would come back this year seems a bit out of sorts.

  • Comment number 24.

    Rose is a very good golfer, and it is not beyond him to win a major. But there is an enormous pool of talent and only four a year. So for many golfers it won't happen. A few fortunate ones play above themselves in a given week and get the big prize (Cink, Curtis, Clarke (?), Lawrie) and good luck to them.

    Oh, why when anyone loses from a leading position are they called chokers? Maybe they just didn't play so well that day, or someone else played very well, or they didn't get the rub of the green. That's the sort of game golf is...........

  • Comment number 25.

    @ 10 you beat me by a whisker but fair play to you, on an amusing thought yeah the golf day could turn nasty and bilo could end up wearing a club or two ha ha

  • Comment number 26.

    So what do we take from this tournament?
    Well, Justin Rose is in one of his 'form runs' when he is there or thereabouts for a number of weeks. This takes him to 4 USPGA tour wins behind Sir Nick & Seve (9), Sergio (7), Ollie (6) and Paddy & Parnevik on 5 each. That's no mean feat especially as all four have come in the last 20 or so months and have included some exceptional tournaments in his bag. He certainly seems to be striking the ball well and his putting was pretty good for 4 days. So, a good result, needs to keep it going and the evidence is there that he will.

    Rory had us all going on the Thursday and we were thinking about 'hangovers', jetting to play/watch the tennis and so on but then he showed us just what a fighter he is. He won ugly last week and gave it a great shot this week again. Too many people were going on about TW's finish at the Honda but Rory's finish here was much better and he will sustain this form. If he hits it solid for 4 consecutive days we're going to have another annihilation on the links.

    Luuuuke also showed that he is running into a bit of form dropping only 7 shots all week including 2 double bogeys for a tied 6th finish. Mr. Consistency once again.

    Another welcome return to form by G-Mac who appears to be finally getting over winning the US Open and the Ryder Cup and grinding out some decent scores.

    Even Darren had a better week especially if you exclude the 18th which cost him 7 shots on its own. I didn't see him playing this hole at all but a triple, a double and two bogeys are not good on the one hole. Still finishing tied with Mickleson can't be all that bad.

    Some of the other Europeans were true to form as well: Peter Hanson flattering to deceive and getting into the mix on the final day only to fail to close it out AGAIN, Kaymer fell away again on the last day and Robert Rock had a solid if uninspiring performance.

    All in all a good four days viewing and the European Ryder Cup team is already starting to take shape.

    P.S. I was thinking about a wee flutter on Adam Scott for the Masters but after his putting display on Sunday have to rethink that one. He had enough chances to win the Tournament but blew it on the greens.

  • Comment number 27.

    Oh, and somebody dropped out midway through the final round with a bad leg. I'm not going to say he waited until he was out of it but rather that he shouldn't have started the final round if there was ANY doubt. His management team really do need to have a strong word with him.

  • Comment number 28.


    Re 'chokers' - well said, thoroughly endorse that statement. Some do choke, most lose at least one, sometimes several before they learn to win, it's part of the education. Just remember, Tom Watson was labelled a choker, Nick Price lost 2 Opens from winning positions before he won - it's part of the process, only a select few miss out that part.

  • Comment number 29.

    Just a thought maybe Tiger could use Adam Scotts crutch sorry putter could not resist that one

  • Comment number 30.

    Well done Justin Rose thoroughly deserved and controlled victory although Watson nearly upset the odds with that sensational approach on 18. Rose will certainly contend at the Masters, he has the control and the putting skills to tame Augusta. People forget his sensational opening rounds a few years back. I think he is a really decent each way shot and my money will be on him. Not to win as he will have to get past Rory who's ball flight is perfect for Augusta. You have to be a great putter to win at Augusta which is why Monty & Garcia never contended, Westwood wont but Donald might.

  • Comment number 31.

    @ 30 do you think Rory will putt well enough to win at Augusta and will last year play on his mind?

  • Comment number 32.

    Poor poor bubba watson never nice to see a player choke like that in the first few holes, however to his credit he did manage to hole a few putts and kept his score respectble because it could have been a lot worse! Well done justin rose, a player who has been out of the limelight the past year or two, it was a throughly deserved win. Disapointing to see woods withdraw, i will be gutted if he doesnt make augusta

  • Comment number 33.

    @21 @27...Maybe its the desire to just want to play golf after so long out and think the pain is not really there!!!! I will accept that if he felt it on the range( as we are led to believe), he maybe should have thought twice, but i still think he will be ready for the masters because bilo said he was faking!!!!

  • Comment number 34.

    Iain Carter, I like your coverage of golf on Radio Five Dead, but haven't we been here many times before with high expectations of the promising English Majors virgins: Casey, Donald, Poulter, Rose, and Westwood. As an Ulsterman, I would absolutely love it if one of this quintet finally lost their Majors virginity, but I cannot help but feel that all too often this fine group go missing in Majors tournaments. It is absolutely imperative that Lee Westwood in particular and the others too are all over the leaderboard on Day One, instead of traditionally giving other great players a head start.

  • Comment number 35.

    @33 mattefc - I don't doubt it was there. But having wrecked my own Achilles a few years back I know it's not good and, at his level, with Augusta just round the corner surely a discrete withdrawal before the round would have been the sensible move. As it stands it may now be touch and go for him which would be a shame.

  • Comment number 36.

    I picked Rose in the Prediction league at the Matchplay and the Honda, but not this week dammit. Can i have sympathy points at least? My one chance to get any points going into the last day chokes and then fakes an injury ;).

    Still happy to see Rose do well, as someone mentioned before he has played well at Augusta in the past, just never for 4 rounds, however he has about as simple and pleasing a swing as there is so you would think he'd be able to at some point. He comes across well so i'd be happy to see him do it.

    Matt - You were on about swings and the stack and tilt at the end of last week so i did a bit of research into it. Putting your weight on your left side on the back swing goes against everything i've ever tried to do personally, i'm sure there is method behind the madness but without someone explaining it to me thats how it looks. Madness.

    Furthermore i thought this new swing of Tigers was supposed to help prevent injuries, but if he is stacking his weight into his troublesome left leg on his backswing it seems to me to be asking for trouble?? or am i missing something?

  • Comment number 37.

    @35 ...Trev, maybe..good points. Like i said before though i feel if TW get's another bad one he will just call it a day, because it's taken him almost 2 years to get to here. My honest opinion is that he is a victim of his own one worked out, no one had physicians no one had trainers dietricians etc...I just wish he would cut back on he gym work he does because he doesnt need to hammer the gym, he is the fittest looking golfer on tour!!!

  • Comment number 38. you really think he was faking an injury!!!!!!!! Oh yes the new swing was to alleviate torque on the knee, but if he is not faking it...Ive heard it is the achilles tendon that was the problem yesterday!! A bit of swelling that can happen to anyone.......At least big darren finished ahead eh!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment number 39.

    Matt. Of course i dont think he was faking it, It was clearly just tongue in cheek. I'm not a medical expert, it just seems counter intuitive to place all your weight on the weakest part of your body throughout the whole swing. A bit of swelling can happen to anybody, but it didnt, it happened to Tigers notoriously injury prone left leg. This must be a worry for him and his supporters surely

  • Comment number 40.

    Jimmy...left foot dude..You making good noises for trolls!!! Anyway Jimmy what did you think of Bubbles the first few holes, he was slashing into siberia, after them 9 birds and 1 eagle in an earlier round, And that "strange" swing yesterday, unorthodox to say the least?

  • Comment number 41.

    Jimmy any comments with regards to Jarrod Lyle fella, terrible in my opinion, been doing quite well on the pga tour as well, my heart goes out to him ive just read that his partner is expecting very soon as well...Ian Carter should have included this rather than throwing TW into his blog!!!

  • Comment number 42.

    I'm no Woods fan but he wouldn't fake it
    He did this at the Players last year and was off for ages after
    I think he rates his chances for the Masters and he is in a panic about fitness

    Sergio had another internal combustion didn't he?
    And Adam Scott choked. Luckily for him his name isn't Westwood or Donald or some of the bloggers would have given him a going over

    Keegan Bradley's putter doesn't look right
    He isn't over the ball and can't see the line
    It's like a broomstick but not and it looks wrong to me
    Same as Simpson and Kuchar

    On a positve can't be bothered

  • Comment number 43.

    Well Matt, if this new twinge is all unrelated and just one big coincidence then fair enough, it just seems a bit odd that if not exactly the same place on his body then the same area that is letting him down again. But coincidences do happen so if this is one then fair enough.

    I'm not making noises for trolls, I was clearly just being mischeivious, you should be able to tell that, the wink gave it away even if the tone of what i put didn't. You shouldnt get so worked up about people who aren't TW fans, there are alot of us out there.

    Didnt see the last round to be honest, just saw rounds 1 and 3. I guess its never gonna be a huge surprise when a swing that unorthodox goes AWOL, for me the surprise is that it doesnt happen more often.

    Real shame for Lyle as you say, wouldnt wish it on anyone

  • Comment number 44.

    "I miss...I miss...I miss...I make"

    Seve describing his 4 putt at Augusta in 1988


  • Comment number 45.

    Jimmy..l was on to you, just testing the water!! Hope you got the english thing last closed when i was replying. Oh well, im sure there will be a long winded speel tomorrow from you know who.

  • Comment number 46.

    Wll done bloggers, Its good to see some less familiar names who want to talk about something other than the in crowd who make this blog the woods circus.

    Well done rose on a great 72 hole performance and taught amateurs a lesson in playing there own game when playing with someone who hits the ball so far past you. I was alarmed to see he is now 7 from 20 something. Surely the rankings need to be tweeked. Thoughts?

    It was good to see a bit of the old G-mac back this week. European golf needs 1 of its major champions and ryder cup hero in form. If he continues he would be my bet for the open on a course that doesn't require a bomber but needs a godd short game to save shots.

    Rory has once again proved his class. His charge in the back nine was woods like and we all believed he would win. He is a class act and the overwhelming faverouite for the masters.

    Just a quick comment on Tw. He is done. his desire has gone, his need to win has gone. In 2008 at Torrey Pinnes he played on 1 leg which i think is the greatest sporting performance of all time not just golf. Where was that desire on Sunday? The Woods of old had the mental fortitude to never give up as long as he had a club in his hand, now at the first hurdle he walks away. Tiger is finished.

  • Comment number 47.

    mattfc @9:

    Sad news indeed to see that Jarrod Lyle's leukemia has returned. He faces a prolonged uphill battle (... I know because my late mother died of this horrible debilitating disease), just as his wife, Briony, gave birth to their first child. (Jarrod will now undergo intensive chemotherapy treatment in Australia, where they are looking for a suitable bone marrow donor.)

    This news puts any little squabble or spat we may have on this blog into proper perspective.

    Like all the other BBC bloggers, I would like to wish Jarrod all the best and hope he makes a speedy recovery in extremely difficult circumstances.

  • Comment number 48.

    Not a great win, but I guess a win is a win.

    Surprised with Watson's play, described as "kamikaze" golf. Especially with the hitting of driver at one hole, where his ball bounced high and landed in the water.

  • Comment number 49.

    Rory was very lucky that this was not a full field. Had it been a full field, he would not have made the cut. Now, he takes 3 weeks off. LOL! So there! The best tip for the Masters. Mr. McIlroy will not make the cut.

  • Comment number 50.

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  • Comment number 51.

    Bubba Watson in that final round was the definition of a player 'lashing' the ball all over the place!
    i'm busy learning to drive a Fork Lift Truck for work the next few days so wont be on here much guys! ( some of you may be glad! )
    i am working on the golf day though so ill be in touch about that before the blog closes!

  • Comment number 52.

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  • Comment number 53.

    Whoa there Jack!
    You were always so calm in your playing days
    Since retirement you have become bitter and short tempered!
    Also why have you changed the spelling of your surname?

  • Comment number 54.

    Great win for Justin and an exciting final day, not just the actual golf but also the Tiger exit. Watching him drive along the freeway in his big black merc, that was compelling TV. Reminded me (not quite sure why, but it did) of 'OJ' in the white Bronco.

  • Comment number 55.

    Not a fan of Woods but I don't think he was faking injury. I think for once in his life he was being sensible. When you get older you can't be to careful.

    Great win for Rose.

    Sad news about JL I wish him all the best in his battle against the big 'C'.

    Sort of puts everything else into perspective doesn't it?

  • Comment number 56.

    Well done Justin, always liked him. Should have been picked for last rydercup but hopefully he will play his way onto this years team. Bubba Watson was some mess...reminded me of Seve back in the day spraying the ball everyone but still in with a chance to win. What a shot to the last...a play off would have been fun.
    Some golf by Rory...inside 10 foot for at least 12 of the holes...if his putter was working he could have won it. And even when he is playing in 3rd gear he is still challenging and comes top 3. Amazing!

  • Comment number 57.

    It's a known fact that as we get older, we are less patient with people, especially those that undeservedly use up oxygen. Banter can be good fun, but making fun of serious illness is just pure evil. Also, I am trying to be more English - less PC, more like Jeremy Clarkson.

    P.S. Nicklaus was taken, hence the spelling.

  • Comment number 58.

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  • Comment number 59.

    Good win for Justin, maybe a cheeky outside bet for the masters if he keeps up.
    I had bubba in the predictions, so a extra sad for me to see him collapse like that, but as a few people have said, he's a bit quirky and off the wall and seems a likeable kind of guy.

    ref Woods - I think it was just pre-cautionary. Someone mentioned about it being tight in the warm up and he would of pulled out then, but i think with the masters around the corner he was right to test the water and if it didn't feel right, then pull out and try and get himself right for Augusta.

    ref Woods - Tiger needs to grow up, when he took his second shot and sliced it, to start thumping the ground with your iron like a spoilt brat just makes him look pathetic, i hate it when he does it. If i would of been the grounds man, i would of jogged down to the fairway and filled the divot in with Tigers face. Disrespectful.

  • Comment number 60.

    While it was a big win and he did pretty well posting a score ahead of the final group, he was pretty much handed the trophy by horror shows from Watson & Bradley.

    Watson had an awful start and Bradley 4 putted a relatively straightforward par 5. Watson also missed two 10 feet putts on 17 & 18 to force a play-off.

    Rose also did his best to throw it away failing to hit the green from rough in the back right, but did well to hole his putt to limit the damage to 1 stroke.

    A play-off would have been a good spectacle, and I guess a more complete test of just how well Rose could handle the pressure. I did think it was a bit of a premature celebration when Rose holed his bogey putt. He would surely have known Watson still had a chance to tie him. Perhaps he was pleased as he knew he could do no worse than a play-off.

  • Comment number 61.

    Never been much of a Justin fan, always thought he had a bit of a bad attitude and slightly arrogant. Great player though, and on form he'd be a real asset to the Ryder cup team.

    Looking forward to Don247's views on where his young protégé went wrong. Perhaps the couple of days spent on a flying visit to New York cost him an opening 73 and ultimately the tournament? Was the putting stroke failing under the 'white-hot heat' of a Sunday afternoon?

    Don247, we need to hear your views, preferably in a Bubba+dustin+Rory long post! Also, before I make my picks for Bay Hill, any chance of a quick hatchet job on a couple of others?

    ps froch carl - that post was bang out of order.

  • Comment number 62.

    Was it the appearance money Tiger was being paid to play that made him play even when he found the muscle not right at warm-up?
    I think being paid just to turn up should be banned, it made the German Open some years ago look stupid when Tiger was being paid more than the winner.
    Hope he is fit for the Masters though, gives our boys more incentive to win.

  • Comment number 63.

    @ 62 denden38

    There's no appearance money on the PGA Tour. It was done away with a few years ago. Obviously some players may be contracted to play in certain tournament depending on who their sponsors are (eg Woods always used to play in the Buick tournaments) but actual payments for turning up banned.

    Unlike the European Tour of course, where Woods was reportedly paid around $2m for turning up in Abu Dhabi.

  • Comment number 64.

    @ powerhitter I'd rather not hear Don247's views, he loves lecturing us about how much he knows but he won't even join in the prediction league.

    Having watched Bubba's 62 on Friday I think he could be the first man to shoot 62 in a Major. When's he on song the man is unstoppable.

  • Comment number 65.

    @ 60 I agree I thought it was a bit premature too. But it certainly wasn't a full celebration, just a celebration in the knowledge that he had almost definitely won the tournament.

  • Comment number 66.

    why was my post out of order..i critersised the unbelievable claim that woods 2008 victory was the best sporting performance ever, and backed up all my claims.

    So why posting facts gets my post removed i do not know.

    Also one can only assume it was the choice words i described woods as...but the guy swears on the course, spits, is a multiple womaniser of the lowest kind...

    How anyone can like woods on or off the course is beyong the pale.

    messi, federer, wladimir klitscko are true role models..woods unfrotunately is not.

    Well done rose, btw, i betted on you the week before, so knew you were in some kind of form...

  • Comment number 67.

    @ 66 "is a multiple womaniser of the worst kind"... hard for anyone who can't go and get any woman he wants to pass that judgment.

  • Comment number 68.

    p.s. your spelling and punctuation is atrocious.

  • Comment number 69.

    Powerhitter - Rose arrogant? Is this from interviews or specific actions or just general demeanor? I suppose we all form different impressions of people so i wont argue with you but its interesting to hear a different opinion. I like him, picked him a couple of times already in the predictions and made the case that i want to see him do well in America to claim enough world point to qualift for the RC.

    Out of interest is anyone doing the Fantasy Race to Dubai this year?

  • Comment number 70. are trying to back up a guy who got a beautiful blonde wife who he would never get in a million years had it not been for his money, for him to go with random women who lets just say were not exactly settled down, is very bizzare.

    Add the fact on the course the guy is terrible for young kids. Deadpan emotionless face, chucking clubs, swearing, spitting next to the hole etc.

    That guy has had the corporate world throw money at him, and it does make me seeth that someone so unlikable was portrayed as a "rolemodel" on and off the course.

    mccilroy is far more talented the "woods era" is long gone(thank goodness)

  • Comment number 71.


    It's just his general demeanour that I've never warmed to. It's one of those situations where you can't quite pinpoint the reason why you don't like someone. For me, it was summed up as he was walking off to the scorers hut at the end of his final round he pointed and winked into the camera. I know on the face of it that was fairly innocent, and he does speak well in interviews but still.........

  • Comment number 72.

    froch carl - McIlory is far more talented than Woods??

    On what basis?

  • Comment number 73.

    72: lol you'll never get him to say his real reason but if asked who's better: Usian Bolt or Christophe Lemaitre? He would say the Frenchman.

  • Comment number 74.


    Some people..................

  • Comment number 75.

    why is rory more talented than woods, well golfer of the year luke donald agrees with me, so surely hes more informed than all of you guys.

    But to add to that, rory has so much more potential than woods. He has a nice swing, better ball striker, better driver of the ball.

    The big if's with rory mccilroy is his short game, especially his putting. Thats the big question mark.

    But comparing woods at rorys age, i think rorys shown more potential. The guy could and should have won st andrews, masters, etc had it not been for his mental strength and poor putting technique.

    Add the fact, didnt it take woods a couple of years to win his second major???23/24 was the age of woods second major.

    So to tally in the fsact that rory could have won 4 at the age of 22 and has come out with ony 1 shows he has potnetial.

    If rory wins his second major i honestly think he has a shot at the greatest ever jack nickaluas record.

  • Comment number 76.

    froch carl - none of your points actually back up your statement that Rory is more talented than Woods.

    Of course Rory has great potential, but Woods has gone on to fulfill his potential. Rory has competed in majors and had chances to win, but Woods has had plenty of close calls over the years too.

    A true comparison can only really be done at the end of their careers but you have to dintinguish between likeablility (where Rory would win) and talent.

  • Comment number 77.

    @46 - TW is not done! The reason he walked away is because he was injuried and with the Masters weeks away as well as Bay Hill it would make more sense to rest and be fit for those tournaments instead of causing possible further issues fighting for a good finish in the current one. Wise decision tbh.

  • Comment number 78.

    froch carl

    Woods won the US open on 1 leg when most of his rivals would have given up. He showed the heart and desire of the best player in the world and a champ and not only did he finish he won it in an 18 hole playoff. Greatest sporting performance.

    Woods and Mcilroy are difficult to compare in terms of talent. Woods has always been wild off the tee but is the best putter there has ever been but Mcilroy is the opposite. Time will tell but for me its Mcilroy

  • Comment number 79.

    He is the best putter there has ever been

  • Comment number 80.

    Woods is a massive talent this cannot really be sensibly argued against
    He is however the worst possible role model for reasons stated already
    He has also been lucky in a way to be a marketable commodity being of mixed race to the USPGA trying to extend the appeal (and profits) of the TOUR
    The TOUR needs him for business reasons so they tolerate his persona
    To me he represents the ugly money side of sport
    So, not a fan but I have to accept we all need him really

    My son's opinion is that he is a "player"
    This of course means something different to him than me

  • Comment number 81.

    "Time will tell but for me its Mcilroy".
    Agreed! Time will tell.

    Surely John Daly is the most liked person of all? :)

  • Comment number 82.

    Powerhitter - I used to find that Chris Dimarco really really irked me. I actually supported Tiger when the two of them went head to head at the Masters which is saying something. And yet i couldn't for the life of me figure out why i wasn't a fan. I think sometimes people just have an way about them that you find irritiating, and once they get your back up then thats that

    I dont think there is anyone who gets my goat in quite the same way these days, I think its generally because i always cheered against the americans so it was always going to be one of them that wound me up, but this new generation, Bubba, Dustin, Webb, Bill, Keegan etc etc all come across quite well.

  • Comment number 83.

    @ Jimmy - what do you think of Adam Scott? I think he's one of the most boring men I've ever heard.

  • Comment number 84.


    You are right! Saying that, sometimes, they grow on you. Here's an example. I used to find Jimmy terribly annoying, prejudiced and a bit ignorant :)

  • Comment number 85.

    people appear to be getting talent mixed up with sucess.

    Ronnie olsulivan is widely regarded as the most talented player on the snooker circuit. Which i agree with. But in terms of sucess, john higgins, stephen hendry, and steve davies have been far more sucessful.

    Rory imo has under achieved as he could have had 3 majors. But he plays the game how i would love to play the game. Hes got a far nicer looking flowing swing than woods, and is a far better ball striker.

    Does that mean he will be more sucessful than woods??no. Do i think he has more talent than woods. Yes.

    talent/potential and how good you are as a player are two different things.

    but potential wise, rory is ahead of woods at the same age, time will show whether he will fulfil my prediction thats he is the most talented player.

  • Comment number 86.


    How are you? Are you OK?

  • Comment number 87.

    Hi Bilo,

    Dislikes: Jimmy
    Likes: Jimmy

  • Comment number 88.

  • Comment number 89.

    @85 carl froch said
    but potential wise, rory is ahead of woods at the same age

    Sorry but that's just not true. At that age, Tiger had just won the Masters with a record score and by a record margin, was the first proper athlete golf had seen, hit the ball better and further than anyone and had a great putting stroke....

    I think that counts as pretty incredible 'potential'.

  • Comment number 90.

    49.At 05:33 13th Mar 2012, Golden Bear wrote:
    Rory was very lucky that this was not a full field. Had it been a full field, he would not have made the cut. Now, he takes 3 weeks off. LOL! So there! The best tip for the Masters. Mr. McIlroy will not make the cut.

    What rediculous statements.
    You can only play against the field that is entered so your conjecture is meaningless.
    Many players take time off before the Majors, including Woods, Mickleson, Ernie and so on. McIlroy himself did it last year and won the US Open. Again a silly point that has no merit.
    McIlroy to miss the cut at Augusta - I'm sure the bookies will give you excellent odds on that if you want to put your money where your mouth is.

  • Comment number 91.

    Tiger relied so much on his short game [especially putting] in the past, you never used to see him miss ten footers. That appears to have deserted him. That, coupled with the fact that the competition is so much fiercer now, and a growing catalogue of injuries, means that he's nowhere near the force he used to be. Ten years ago, he could "win on one leg", this is no longer the case.
    McIlroy seems to have developed the habit of being able to contend when not playing at his best, which is always the hallmark of a great champion. As long as he stays reasonably "grounded" I can see him winning as many Majors as Tiger has done.

  • Comment number 92.

    Talent is defined as natural aptitude (Oxford dictionary)
    You seem to be equating talent with potential
    In a results driven arena such as tournament golf results are the measure of success
    Success proves aptitude
    Woods has a talent for success

    McIlroy has a prettier looking swing but if you miss key shots under extreme pressure then your potential will not tranlate into success
    I agree he has massive potential and is now proving his aptitude
    It is a work is progress
    Woods has done it and got the (red) tshirt

  • Comment number 93.

    61. Justin Rose is slightly arrogant? I get tired of people slamming sports folk for being arrogant. Like it or not, but arrogance comes with the territory when you are at the top of your profession. What some call arrogance, others call boundless self-belief. I would rather an arrogant or supremely confident Rose won a Major than a humble, modest Rose missing the cut. Arrogance? Shmarrogance. Oh and Golden Bear doesn't seem too fond of Rory. Why?

  • Comment number 94.

    @93. Maybe arrogance/boundless self-belief or whatever does come with the territory but it doesn't mean that people have to warm to you.

    We can all form our own opinions of people. You might not agree - so what?

  • Comment number 95.

    Lee Westwood is the most arrogant golfer out there! To listen to him in interviews makes me hate him more. Hes so boring yet so self obsessed. Win a major Lee...then you can be arrogant!

  • Comment number 96.

    #95 jamesmathew (are you the same person as james mathew?)

    Funny people have different opinions - Personally I find LW an exciting golfer to watch and his persona to be exceptionally witty withous any arrogance. Ah well - takes all sorts, I guess.

  • Comment number 97.

    Morning/Afternoon Everyone

    Firstly, I am with everyone i'm sure who wishes Jarrod Lyle my wishes.

    My it's a feisty debate this morning, I missed most of the last round as my Fiancee made me go to a 4 year old's birthday party. GRRR! I caught the last of it and although having missed the round I thought just for the second into the 18th needing a birdie to go to a playoff that BW shouldn't be labelled a choker - although he missed the putt so that could invalidate the point somewhat.

    Good entertainment over the weekend with a Rory charge, Sergio's mystefying first and last round, Tigers injury and some great shots. But although I am (and have no reservations or apologies for this) a Tiger fan. Following on from his wedge into the bunker in the second round that show of petulance in taking a massive divot out of the ground was, in my opinion, disgraceful.

  • Comment number 98.

    eight for six for one

    I think jamesmathew/james mathew/don274 (all the same person) is just on the wind-up. Luke and Lee bashing are his favourite past-times.

    It's a pity he doesn't ever want to debate becasue he can have some knowledgable and interesting coments to make............

  • Comment number 99.

    90. At 12:32 13th Mar 2012, trevthetrainer wrote:
    49.At 05:33 13th Mar 2012, Golden Bear wrote:
    Rory was very lucky that this was not a full field. Had it been a full field, he would not have made the cut. Now, he takes 3 weeks off. LOL! So there! The best tip for the Masters. Mr. McIlroy will not make the cut.

    What rediculous statements.
    You can only play against the field that is entered so your conjecture is meaningless.
    Many players take time off before the Majors, including Woods, Mickleson, Ernie and so on. McIlroy himself did it last year and won the US Open. Again a silly point that has no merit.
    McIlroy to miss the cut at Augusta - I'm sure the bookies will give you excellent odds on that if you want to put your money where your mouth is.


    1. Play the field? Indeed. Like the Chevron field :)
    2. Done :) Rory and Donald to miss cut.
    3. Trev, it's OK. I like you too :)
    4. The mighty bear rules all!

  • Comment number 100.

    @eight for six for one and @powerhitter

    I'm not winding people up at all...there are certain personalities that I don't like and whenever I see or hear Lee I think he comes across very arrogant. Maybe its just me but that's my opinion. Luke on the other hand couldn't be more humble...himself and Rose are 2 of the humblest golfers on tour.


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