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Episode discussion for week starting 3 September

Nickie | 09:00 UK time, Monday, 3 September 2012

Phil comes to Shirley's rescue. But is Shirley in the mood for forgiveness?

Plus, a blast from Shirley's past appears in the Square...

Janine's suspicion grows. Is her paranoia justified?

Sharon comes clean to Denny. Is she right to tell the truth to her young son?

Discuss these storylines and any others which tickle your fancy in the comments section below.


  • Comment number 1.

    I honestly thought the man attacking Shirley was Jack at first. o.O

  • Comment number 2.

    not sure if i am looking forward to this or not. while the spoilers sound like phil is genuine it comes across completely different onscreen. it doesnt sound like there is any closure with phil/shirley which is ridiculous because theyve been dragged out for 4 years and its still going the same old way with phil begging shirley to come back and her not believing him. if he moves on quickly to sharon then its even more ridiculous not to have closure

  • Comment number 3.

    Shirley will be off screen for a short period.

  • Comment number 4.

    as far as i know the actress is not back filming yet she usually takes 2 months break so i wont be surprised if shes not back till the end of october

  • Comment number 5.

    but what i meant was that phil/shirley need closure as a couple if he is going to end up with sharon it needs to be clear if he loved shirl or not its insane how they have dragged it out for so long

  • Comment number 6.

    i thought eastenders couldnt get any worse but now its pathetic the story lines are are boring cats affair who cares it not her first .then theirs ian whose acting like a kid and taking orders of his daughter then youve got sharon and tanya arguing about their sons i could go on but instead ill switch it off and stick to watching emmerdale

  • Comment number 7.

    tonights ep was good much better than thursday/friday. carey andrews always does good eps

  • Comment number 8.

    Shirley has big story line coming soon ...Lorraine has done a really great job till now and i congratulate her for that....

  • Comment number 9.

    I dunno if i've missed something but who was Max giving that money to in yesterdays ep.

  • Comment number 10.

    @monalisa - what do you think about Phil and Shirley? Do you think he ever loved her? Do you think he loved Sharon more? Differently? And who do you see him with in the longrun?

  • Comment number 11.

    The Sharon/Tanya dialogue last night was like two kids at school, absolute rubbish writing, two adults conducting themselves like two adolescents. who thought this would make good tv viewing, Eastenders audiences must be turning off in droves with rubbish like this.long live Coronation Street. good acting, funny lines and excellent believable story lines.

  • Comment number 12.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 13.

    so in short i think he loves shirley exactly the same way he loved sharon but because of shirleys looks/their trust issues/him being embarrassed/not being ready for a serious relationship they were probably always meant to be that couple that "Never made it....." santer said that at the start. his problem is that he has a weakness in women and if any pretty girl comes along and shows signs of wanting him he'd find it hard to resist them. of course he'd still feel that way over sharon she's pretty :) but that doesnt mean he still loves her.

    (that doesnt take long to type it up.....honestly lol)

  • Comment number 14.

    i knew that was gonna get deleted. you know id have been annoyed had i not C&P'd it :P here it is again :)

    (not been put on the spotlight for a while lol) yes i refuse to accept he didnt love her lol they have been built up since 2007 they were always close friends in early 08 he helped her a lot over deano and her cancer scare. they grew a lot closer and it was clear he wanted her. since 09 its been a lot more complicated i think he could never accept that she is the one he loved more than any of his other women.

    he treated her crap for years cheated on her threatened her and generally had a hold over her but there was always something more complex and not straight forward. i

    n jan 2010 he moved out of her flat when ben assumed they were a serious couple when they got together properly after the live ep he respected her and generally treated her like a proper g/f. it wasnt till she was pressuring him to be in a serious relationship that he started treating her crap. (there was the time with ben/louise that he didnt tell her what was going on) and she tried to stop them going to portugal so he chucked her out and the whole drug thing started. he used her after that to keep him sober and still didnt want a serious relationship which lead to him having the affair with glenda as a distraction to shirley/ben/the drugs. he hated it when glenda slagged shirley off and defended shirley. he showed signs he felt guilty for the affair and dumped glenda after he proposed. why would phil of all people tell ian beale to tell someone like shirley he loved them ? :P :)

    when she asked him if it was true about the affair he couldnt look her in the eye and lie to her in their non wedding ep he showed proper emotion over her and spent ages trying to come up with different reasons why she should stay.people say he used her over the pool table thing but i think it was a lot more complex then that. he'd never been one to show her much affection because of her looks i think he found it hard and was embarrassed about it.

    after that i thought it was so clear he loved her if shirley had done what she did to ben over the heather thing before proposal stuff he would've chucked her out. then he was gonna have an affair with rainie till shirley tried to get rainie back on the drugs which made phil see what damage it couldve done to shirley if he did. when he later kissed rainie he regretted it straight away. he started showing shirley a bit more affection and honesty they had passion it was in a more subtle way than most couples.

    he found out she lied to him about ben being his stalker and didnt want to see her. when he finally did he couldnt let her in over the beating

    then the whole heather thing started. he was tormented over it at the start he tried to stop her going to see heather that night, he showed emotion when she was crying on him in heathers flat/over george/at the funeral. generally he found it hard to help her and would always try to leave. when ben told him he had to chuck shirley out because he could tell her the truth in his sleep he couldnt do it right. he could barely look at her while he was doing it and i think some people said he whispered "sorry" after she'd gone. in the next ep he went out of his way to be cruel to her. he told her he used her but he couldnt answer her when she asked if he ever loved her. ben walked in & he walked back out again. i think someone made a point of the puppets in the pub in the same scene that ben was being a puppet master in not letting phil see shirley etc then derek told him he'd slept with shirley and phil tried to ignore him. it wasnt till derek slagged her off that he punched him. phil was embarrassed after and tried to get her back. phil moped about her for weeks he couldnt eat, couldnt sleep couldnt talk to anyone about her couldnt work on the car she bought couldnt leave the house scared of seeing her. when he did see her he was drunk and could only get her back when he thought he had to keep an eye on her so she didnt find out. the way he poured his heart out to ben about her was so emotional just the way he talked about her. people said it was just a way to scare ben but he wouldnt have gone on like that if it was. when they got back together the way he was like "You dont understand" he could barely say anything.

    when it started up again in july shirley told him she was bored of her life. she was bored of him. he looked hurt. i think in the proposal ep with them on the vic roof infront of everyone it was rather romantic. for the first time in the ep on the 13th he showed proper romantic affection and he was clearly happy.

    he left with sharon but i think after seeing how messed up sharon was that he realized then he loved shirl he wanted to get home i dont think there has been any hint that he still loved sharon after that. i think he'd totally moved on from her and was ready for a proper relationship with shirley....till he saw her nearly drowning ben :( it all went downhill from there. he did show he felt guilty using her again from what he said to sharon..and there was a little scene at the start of the ep after she dumped him with him staring at his phone with her name on it. i think those little scenes are the most telling

  • Comment number 15.

    what was with shirleys stuff all over the floor in phils front room? it seemed very strange. if he was begging shirley to come back how would he explain her stuff being like that? the way he looked at her boots & bra suggests he's pining for her its very strange to live in the middle of your ex's stuff.

  • Comment number 16.

    Monalisa, that was some length of comment:))

  • Comment number 17.

    haha i know it wouldnt let me post it all :P but it only took like 10 mins. honestly lol im a fast typer :)

  • Comment number 18.

    So the time has come for Sharon to tell little Dennis what really happened to his Dad, that poor kid is in for a shock. I can't understand why Sharon didn't tell Dennis the truth from the word go, rather than spin a web of lies that will soon break! When will Phil get the message that Shirley hates his guts for hiding the truth from her about Ben braining Heather. Will she see sense and tell the Police what she knows? She'll need to sober up first, otherwise they won't believe her. Hopefully Carlys return will help her see sense, especially when Carly forgives her for being a rotten parent!

  • Comment number 19.

    i think tonight proved even more he loves her. they have a whole history surrounded by drink. "if you loved me drink it" "its because i love you that i can't" amazing. the chemistry was amazing. they should've kissed there but i get why they didnt cos it would just looked like he was doing it to make her stay.

  • Comment number 20.

    Phil was spot on. Had he had that drink, I would have lost all respect because that would have been out of character for him, hard nut that he is. Played brilliantly. Denise was also brilliant in tonight's episode as well. Totally and utterly believable. But let's get back to the main issue here--who is shagging Kat Moon!--and more importantly, whose house did Christian say was teeming with bugs? I couldn't recognize whose house it was--Kat is the bed bug culprit! I knew it!

  • Comment number 21.

    @dazman, guessing I missed something too...but I'm hoping it's max keeping to his promise of looking after Stacey, perhaps it's her place and she's still laying low, would be nice to see her back

  • Comment number 22.

    i am so confused. last night felt like there was proper closure. now tonight it made out like he never loved her. they had quite a bit of an argument at the start but he barely said anything to her later. if he never loved her why cant he tell her that? :S doesnt feel like proper closure now. he uses someone he's supposed to care about? are we expected to believe he grew to care for her when it was him who helped her with her cancer scare? :S

  • Comment number 23.

    welcome back carly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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