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Rebecca Denton, Online Exec | 21:00 UK time, Thursday, 23 February 2012







Kirby 4



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  • Comment number 1.

    Time to Transcribe.

  • Comment number 2.

    just noticed this was written on my birthday XD (well, 21 years before i was born but still)

  • Comment number 3.

    @hello ewan

    @@@@@@@@some more spoilers@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@


    a love letter, never opened, never posted

    what did happen going to the butchers???

  • Comment number 4.

    im guessing that Ray might have found Jane and Cassie and killed Kirby

  • Comment number 5.

    an adult playing with toys with a little girl...

    It could be George trying to be nice to Sam and her daughter and really a nice guy...
    or a very creepy guy going for the daughter and humoring the mother to get a foothole in the house and then become a very ugly stepfather.

    Must say could be a perv' text book criminal case

  • Comment number 6.

    just to show that BH appeals to a wide demographic, shoepigeon- I was 4

  • Comment number 7.


    Dear Kirby

    I'm sorry I didn't answer right away. I had to go and have a bit of a think.

    You already know that I find it hard to give my trust. You might have an idea why this is, but I think it's past time I laid my cards on the table.

    Cassandra's father, Ray, was a good man in many ways but when he drank it was like living with a different person. To begin with I tried to tell myself that it wasn't him, it was the alcohol saying those hurtful things, making those threats. But after a while the good times when he was sober stopped outweighing the bad times when he wasn't

    I did a moonlight flit with Cassie one night when he passed out. He's tried to find us, sent messages through a mutual friend that make him sound like the kindest man in the world. But I know what he can become and have never replied.

  • Comment number 8.

    or Ray killed Jane and Kirby got this letter and killed himself or something. It seems to be laying on a bed, not sure what that could mean

  • Comment number 9.

    This "love" letter makes Kirby out to be a nice kind of guy so does that mean he really was sent by Nina and he just wants to help out or was it just an act?

  • Comment number 10.


    Ray kills his wife and daughter
    or kills wife and daughter plus Kirby
    or Kirby
    or ... finds out who is really Kirby, after all sex offender registrers must have been imperfect in these days and... got his wife and daughter back
    or Jane learned something along the way and killed Kirby...

  • Comment number 11.

  • Comment number 12.

    10- you didn't include the possibility that future woman comes back, kills Kirby so he can meet a dead Nina just so that he could return and kill baby Eve

  • Comment number 13.

    i definitely think that Kirby isn't the perfect boyfriend that this letter makes out that he is, he seemed very creepy in the preview. Also, he seems to like moving in with people and being a family, in the preview he says to Hal "i just want us to be a family Hal"

  • Comment number 14.

    Needless to say, this has left me with a few trust issues. Especially where drink is concerned. You might have noticed me offering you a drink when we first met. This was more a test than anything. You don't know how happy it made me when you turned it down and stuck to cups of tea for the evening. I've should also confess that I've been making a note of the levels of all the bottles in the drinks cabinet before and after the nights you stay over. I'm so relived you're not a drinker. This is a big tick in the box.

    Cassie seems to like you and that's a big thing. Maybe even the biggest. It's hard to tell with a child that young, but I'm sure she's been affected by the rows I had with Ray. I call them rows and that makes them sound quite mild. They were anything but. Her crying was a constant background to his shouting. After he went to sleep I would go in to see her. It's really horrible to see your own child flinch from you.

  • Comment number 15.

    could also be the inner lining of a casket


  • Comment number 16.

    12. I definitely think The Woman has something to do with his return. I thought Lia said that you could only return if you didn't go through your own door, perhaps thats what happened to Kirby.

  • Comment number 17.

    @mrsbarrowboy 6- i wasnt even a twinkle in my dads eye! (im 30yrs btw) but its great that this show appeales to every age.

    i dont think its going down the pervy route-that might be a bit too much. why would TW do that? as a mum of 2 little boys i hope it doesnt go there. so kirby had a shop. could that be important? mabe not but cassie could be alive and kirby needs to find her. i think ray just killed kirby and jane.

  • Comment number 18.

    16. I was only joking!

  • Comment number 19.


    deep curtsey

    What would FW connection to Kirby? kill a perfect stranger who happens to be possibly quite a very nice guy?
    but during visits of AL corridors, she meets this very dodgy guy who seems from preview hitting each character raw nerve or inner predicament

    Hal being a wish for a family? because he never had one? because he had one and lost it? before Orsha?
    in the prequel, he sounds quasi-suicidal going to this battle?

  • Comment number 20.

    or mabe ray just killed kirby, and jane and cassie are still alive? prehaps in the end kirby meets up with them and they can live together as a family. no...because they wont be able to see him will they! and he already went through his door. im off to bed now night night everyone x

  • Comment number 21.

    I'm dwelling on the past more than I intended to in this letter, but my point is Cassie's acceptance helps your case a lot. I've had boyfriends in the past that she wouldn't even look at. It sounds silly but I think that the fact that you look so different from Ray really helps.

    And you are good with her. You play with her because she wants to play, not just to kill time or wheedle your way into my bed. There's a big difference and believe me. I can see it. It means a lot. If you move in, you will be moving in with both of us, not just me.

    And I won't deny it, the toys certainly help! She loves them. You've become her own private Santa. We don't have a lot of money, as you know, so you being so generous with your stock is wonderfully kind.

    I've gone around the houses a little in this reply, but I suppose I wanted to let you know exactly why I've been so cautious so far. This might also go some way explain my hesitance in other areas. Maybe I can try a little harder there too.

    So in answer to your question, (it seems so long ago now doesn't it?) I would love it if if you would move in with me and Cassie!

    I'll see you after work. I'm nipping to the butchers so I might be a little late.


  • Comment number 22.

    if cassie and Jane are alive we are looking for a woman in her early 40's and one early to mid 60's

  • Comment number 23.

    So did Kirby own or Manage a Toy shop?

  • Comment number 24.

    23. he could have any shop. it doesnt have to be a toy shop. newsagents sell small toys. it might still be there!

  • Comment number 25.

    Now it the stationary used important in understanding Jane or did it belong to Cassie after all flower backgrounds.

  • Comment number 26.

    that writing paper is just very seventies - i was there

  • Comment number 27.

    The Toys were refereed to as 'stock' generally stock refers the major product of the store. if toys were incidental the wording might have been different.

    Still it could have been.

  • Comment number 28.

    26 - Really, it was a different time.

  • Comment number 29.

    What are the rules for going through doors? Would he be able to come back through that old lady's door if that old lady was Jane or Cassie?

  • Comment number 30.

    29. I wondered that but as I worked out earlier, I think that woman was too old, at least 70

  • Comment number 31.

    It could be that that is where he went through his door and unlike Annie he had to wait till a door appeared where he died.

    Which will be a bad thing if anything happens at an abandoned Farmhouse.

    This could also be due to the woman who if she is Eve being raised by Annie would know everything Annie knew about Nina as Annie would have told her everything she knew about her mother.

  • Comment number 32.

    Sorry guys but who's Kirby?

  • Comment number 33.

    the 70's ghost we saw in the trailer for next week

  • Comment number 34.

    Oh right. I haven't seen the trailer for next week yet.

  • Comment number 35.

    Look's like Jane's taste in men is as bad as Annie's. Violent alcoholic ex and an incredibly creepy, teetotal toyshop owner(possibly).
    Anyone else think Kirby must have spent some time as a ghost before going through his or a door? It seemed that way to me from how he said "feels good to be back"
    First time I read the letter I thought he may have commited sucide because he had been waiting too long for a reply, but now I think Ray probably murdered him. If Ray did murder Kirby, I imagine he got some kind of ghostly revenge.
    Still no clue as to how he connects to HH, Nina didn't send him I'm positive of that.

  • Comment number 36.

    Can somebody please transcribe it? I'm not a native speaker and it's hard for me to read this handwriting. Pretty please?

  • Comment number 37.

    I personally suspect Kirby's agenda may surprise a few peeps, me included. The preview suggests he knows a lot about the three housemates
    one person OK, but three weird

  • Comment number 38.

    I'm thinking this letter is bait, something he 'allows' Annie to find so as to give himself a sympathetic backstory and a reason for wanting to stay and be a 'family' with our trio and eve. It would be particularly aimed at Annie as a de facto single mother, (and you could almost extend the metaphor to include her violent ex-partner, even though Mitchell was never violent towards Annie herself). However even if the letter is something fabricated, Kirby couldn't stop his innate creepiness coming through, because that focus on the little girl, seems like he is either grooming her or her mother. I work in a related area with victims, so maybe I am hypervigilant, but people like that do attach themselves to single mums they see as vulnerable. They are also very charming and manipulative, and Kirby seems to be both of these things.

  • Comment number 39.

    @mrsbarrowboy I was just coming up to my 3rd birthday, so you're not the only post 40 BH fan. :o)

  • Comment number 40.

    36 - see 7, 14 and 21.

  • Comment number 41.

    That's been preserved well for nearly forty years! :D

    I don't think Kirby forged it, it sounds very much like it's written by a lady to me. I agree with the above posts though, I think he was a creeper back then (and now!). Also think Future Lady sent him (they probably met in Purgatory?)

  • Comment number 42.

    I have a feeling this guy is going to appear a little strange but from that letter and the being human fairytale theme i am gona guess he is going to have some peter pan qualities and from the Annies rota clue and the letter may be a bit of a Willy Wonker .I was thinking Brothers Grimm because of the typewriter Hanzel and Gretal jump to mind . May this guy is like a fairy God mother granter of wishes or may be not ??? Just the feeling I am getting from the clues being given.
    How did he die ???and at whos hand ???

  • Comment number 43.

    I've been thinking about how the vampires die, when they get dusted, I wonder if there's a difference relating to how old they are? Fergus was older than Mitchell and Herrick so maybe that's why he was gravellier! It may also be why they are more affected by Werewolf blood, because as people have said, the younger vamps didn't seem that bothered about being splattered during the caged fights, but then Hal was involved in those too, maybe you have to ingest quite a lot for it to havean effect, but then why would that make the vamps who killed Nina need to wear visors? As someone said the script needed it. It may have just been a recently added plot device. Ah well, I'm enjoying this season so much I'm in a forgiving mood!

    I'm interested in Hal's counting, when Tom takes a stake to him when they first meet, Hal says he will count to ten. When Hal is about to eat the Pawnbroker he tells him to count back from ten. It's important enough for him to need the shop guy to carry on counting even though Tom and Annie are already there. I'm wondering if this is a thing Leo taught him to do which has since become a compulsion. He didn't need it for killing fergus or his cronies though, so maybe I'm overthinking it.

  • Comment number 44.

    I have an idea about the werewolf blood and this could be the reason that the Chinese vamps didt eat gummie bears and why Hal cant drink Kia-ora . Garlic contains sulfer a few things do and may be george knew this and ate loads and loads of food containing sulfer.May be its not the garlic that repel a vampire but the sufer and too much ingeted would kill them
    or added sulphites that would explain the gummie bears and the Kia-Ora.And too much of this ingested would turn them to ash either way george knew this and they knew george knew because they could smell it coming off him may be this works for humans too they would never bite someone smelling that bad .George changed his diet May be ???

  • Comment number 45.

    Oops - just read the comments above and realised the letter was dated the day before my eldest son was born. So much for the BBC Three demographic - Being Human fans can be any age!

  • Comment number 46.

    Morning everyone! Finally a sunny day here in weeks. It's really mood lifting. And a new blog as well :)
    Sooo, we learn more about Kirby. Uhmmmm.... I totally agree with everyone who said that he sounds like a creep, both from the trailer and from this letter.
    And I think Nina could really be the one who sent him. He could've fooled her into believing in his good intentions. After all, Nina was really the best at taking the worst possible decision, in almost every situation; I mean, how could she possibly believe that a guy like Kemp actually wanted to help her? she could've made the same mistake with Kirby.

  • Comment number 47.

    @mistress denton

    Good Thank God It's Friday Morning

    Been thinking. Yes, it does happen. sometimes... We have seen 3 seasons whcih could be interpreted as some sort of... Iliad. Overcoming one's odds. Mitchell got redemption, George got his family, Annie learnt that one can love and not be blind. The results were not perfect but Troy/Fate fell/did not win.End of this story. the story died; the chapter is written and closed.

    New storyline, new chapter. Odyssey?. Coming home? To what? TW is good at providing false clues. We all look for the biblical. hence it must not be that. Coming home to form a family, to one's family?
    Tom certainly wants a family, Annie may be looking for a father figure for her doubly orphaned Eve, Hal looking for another trinity/family? or is it more personal for him this family thing???

  • Comment number 48.

    44. I like that idea! That George cottoned on to the idea of lacing his blood with something he knew to be fatal for them. However, I don't think that fits well with George telling Tom "Did you know werewolf blood is toxic to vampires?" I feel if it was something he did specifically, he would have given Tom more of a heads up so he didn't go around thinking his blood was toxic without doing anything to make it so.

    Tom: *bites own arm and shoves in vampire's mouth* "Thanks for the tip, George!"
    Vamp: "Er, what are you doing? You taste horrible by the way." *stab*

  • Comment number 49.

    48. Min ROFL! you had me laughing like crazy. That'd be a very funny scene (in a tragic way, actually... Tom would be killed!)

    I think you're right though, werewolf blood must be toxic per se, but I really hope they tell us more about this piece of mythology, cause at the moment it seems just like something hastily made up to let George kill Griffin. Maybe George killed Wyndham by accidentally making him drink his blood, and that's how he managed to kill him? As Annie is the only one left to tell, I hope she'll say something about that episode, even if only a passing remark.

  • Comment number 50.

    Morning everyone...well, I'm finding this letter very interesting, and for me, so much more interesting than Michaelas's diary or Annie's rota.
    Agree that Kirby is coming across as quite creepy in the trailers....he seems to be able to 'seduce' Annie and Tom by telling them whatever they want to hear...Hal seems the only one wary of him. I think the letter was probably sent and received by Kirby....there's nothing in this letter which makes Kirby sound pervy ...I'm so feeling for Jane...having been a single mum with a young child myself many years ago, I'm so understandng her caution and applaud her wanting to be absolutely sure that the man she's allowing to move in is right for her and her daughter. So..i'm wondering if Kirby in 1973 was an ok guy.....but that whatever happened to him was responsible for changing his personality. If that's the case, possibly Kirby has kept the letter all these years and rereads for solace....maybe he really does want to find a family that he lost for some reason and sees it in our trio and babe.
    Mind you, many unanswered questions there regarding how did he know Nina or her name, and her connections with Annie, the babe and HH? if he's 'met' Nina behind the door wouldn't he also have met George and yet no mention of him.
    And of course there are so many scenarioes as to how Kirby went through his door in 1973 or whenever it was....Jane and Cassandra could still be alive...or Jane could have kiled Kirby ( not wanting to think about why she would have done that!) ..then there's Ray.
    And how cute are those babies are playing the role of Eve!

  • Comment number 51.


    George - accidentally- killing Wyndham? or accidentally giving him his blood to drink ?
    No, does not sound right at all.
    I do not see Wyndham being killed accidentally by George, as for George being to kill an OO sounds about as right as being able to kill Herrick...
    It was not an accident either in the kill or in the knowledge
    But how was it done... and just like Mitchell got George to kill him... I am ready to imagine W asking the same for Mitchell for an unknown reason. Plan B sounds more likely.
    Wyndham wanted Mitchell as his 'attack dog'... for what real reason, and to protect Wyndham from whom?
    Let's say Wyndham wants Mitchell, Mitchell is not available. For ever. Wyndham needs a default position. Crossing to AL may be a way to achieve his plan, and giving the info to George might give G a weapon if in dire need.
    That I could believe, but not the rubbishing lies we are being fed on since the beginning....

  • Comment number 52.

    well we all know that kirby isnt going to be very nice. i think what might happen is that he met nina in the ghostie waiting room (as ive said b4) so he knows all about the situation. he might be naughty because he wants a bit of love? teenagers do that dont they, play up for attention? then annie, tom and a reluctant hal will help him find jane and cassie.

  • Comment number 53.

    do you think that going to AL changes your personality?
    a 'good' person would accept the passing over, and 'move on'
    but a bad person or a person w/ unfinished business?, we all have and will have unfinished business. yet we have known family members, friends accepting their passing even if we - the peeps who are still here- felt they left the scene too soon.
    Good peeps accept to cross the door willingly, but bad peeps... or peeps like Kemp and the BcH teacher- they passed unwillingly? Is Kirby going to give us the answer regarding Kemp or at the very least what happens to peeps like Kemp when they cross and it is not their door

  • Comment number 54.

    ive just read a little teaser on cult box for this next episode and one part says ''dead 100 years and still crazy about you, even though you broke her heart and ate it!''
    could annie or tom be saying that to hal and we get to meet someone from hals past?

  • Comment number 55.

    It is the 'it's good to be back' which is worrying. Peeps who die- peacefully- would not be bothered to think about coming back. Mitchell had no plans to come back, Sasha and Gilbert were at peace and Rufus mom etc etc
    That is when alarm bells ring. Kirby is a no-gooder...

  • Comment number 56.

    I am going with sulfur and added sulphites because of gummie bears and Kia-ora may be any natural occuring minerals could they be a vampires kryptonite ?
    Leo said something about kryptonite while cutting Hals hair .
    As for this letter i have reread it and jane seems to have granted Kirbys wish she set him tests and he passed with flying colours .
    Now this kind of thing happens in fairy tales well me being me wanted toknow if they was a name for it under some fairytale character law well blow me down if the is there is such a thing in fairy tales. There is what is called In fairy tales, a donor it is a character that tests the hero and sometimes will test other character too then they provide magical assistances to the hero when they succeeds.Jane wants kirby to move in he passed the tests (A good example being a fairy godmother cinders had to be home at 12 this was a test )
    Well i was more curious i thought it would be called something more that Donor not very magical or may be it is ? i will explain welldoner i have always thought giver blood donor organ donor ect can you see where i am going with this ?? so thats when i started thinking how werewolf blood is toxic how hal cant drink kia-ora how the Chinese vamps could not eat gummie bears .
    Blood doner came to mind well then you got the date on the letter ect ect single mum ect kirby will be step daddy ? if he moves in so googled 1973 blood donor ect an found out in 1973 saw the first successful transplant between unrelated donors - previously, matches had only been made through
    relatives 1973 you dont need to be related to donate .Tissue Typing ect ect could you dont need to be related to be a family

  • Comment number 57.

    @saint im not convinced we will see kemp, think hes gone now. but ive heard (my auntie went to a medium when my nan died a few years ago) that (this is what the medium said) that when we pass over we change our personalitys and grow. my nan was very quiet in this life and the medium told my auntie this and said in AL she changed and was telling my grandad off! so i suppose we can change. you get to see outside the box dont you in AL if you believe in that.

  • Comment number 58.


    - just a nice friendly hint

    when you write about a spoiler, please- flash ahead warning sign, so blogers who do not want to read spoilers are spared

    just for next time , you know....


    yes, that is plainly wrong
    a friendly ghost would not know about that woman
    and why would he mention it to Hal... unless Hal feels guilty about that woman... because he preyed on her affection or because despite being really attracted to her he killed her none the less hence getting the guilt of the kill and the pain of the loss
    Hal, like Mitchell may be easy on the eye but feels that his way with ladies is anything but right.

  • Comment number 59.

    @I do not mean we shall see Kemp I think we may learn about what exactly happens to peeps who - like Kemp and the BcH teacher - cross to the AL, by the wrong door. Alive. Annie was dead when she went through the policeman door and Hennessey door...
    sorry, it did not come out as I wanted the first time

  • Comment number 60.

    @saint 58 oh my gosh i didnt realise!!! so sorry everyone x

  • Comment number 61.

    mabe people who go through the door and are not supposed to get spat back out at some point. is that what you ment saint? if thats the case then we could see the people again. and what if kirby didnt go through his door and it was jane? ray? or cassies? door if they were murdered and he went through because he was nosey and came back out again cos he could?

  • Comment number 62.

    Afternoon my fellow vampires

    "Stop being such a wally"

  • Comment number 63.

    @saffz 62. i laughed when tom said that cos thats my catch phrase! and my little boy has got those books too.

    got to go, check in later bye bye.

  • Comment number 64.

    63 - I also had a little giggle,

  • Comment number 65.

    I think this letter is about about an organ/blood donation read my previous entry .I think Kirby might be an organ/blood donor or needed one ??? some one in that house is related to Kirby through him receiving or donating an organ or blood

  • Comment number 66.

    Lets have no more talk of a Willy Wonka nature, this is Being Human and there are no Oompa-Loompas around the corner with stakes,fangs or even in the spirit form.

  • Comment number 67.

    I'm guessing that we will learn that Kirby was killed by Ray. But maybe Ray, clearly untrustworthy as he was, had a reason other than the obvious.

  • Comment number 68.

    possibly not coughed back as after this being AL, once you know what is in store for PURGATORY - important word, there is a purgatory which implies a Hell and some Pearly Gates at one point, right? - if you were to come back, you woud tell, then everybody would be on its best behaviour and free will would become inexistant. You do not act good because of fear, you act good because you want to be sincerely good.

    So, not spat back, but eagerly checking on doors likely to open at one point. Checking on elderly relatives, likely to die at one point.

  • Comment number 69.

    Kirby is not an old man, but looks older than Hal for example. Let say he died between 40 and 45ys of age in 1973, he would be in 2012 39ys old... right. A friend, a sister would also be if alive 39ys older and likely to die right. This sibling would possibly be being one of his door, because thousands of reasons: he was bad, good etc and this episode would be a turning point in each of their lives. If we accept each room intersects w/ someone else corridor, then all you have to do is to wait till this person corridor sorts of closes when said person dies and get out as they close their corridor door for ever...

  • Comment number 70.

    Kirby died or did not die, but over 39years has learnt how the system works and is planning to get out. most peeps accept death even if they were bad, becasue it is in the nature of things. Kirby might be a creep who did not, Like Lia, he had unfinished business and wants revenge? Maybe we are going to get belated answers. Because loads of deads have unfinished business...

    Who may have known Kirby in 1973. Not Hal - was dry in 1973. Not Leo ???
    George, Nina, Annie, Tom not born. Mitchell is now dead so Kirby is not looking for face to face apologies. Pearl already dead. McNair Sr was not yet a werewolf.
    Herrick? other vamps? and why would he be interested into the supernatural household. if I was dead and could come back to Earth , i would have much better things to do than go to Barry, visiting my descendants comes to mind, visiting Egypt, Beijing, Machu Pichu spring out too. And I would expect millions of AL souls would like to know about their own families...so why Barry HH?

  • Comment number 71.

    @66 is that a nice way of telling me i am way off idont think so . this is all relevent as stories and legends are based on truth and then twisted .In these stories there will be clues to answers why is vampire blood toxic cant explain what imean

  • Comment number 72.

    @ oletyolyta 43:

    I think when Hal starts counting while Tom's threatening him with the stake, it's because he's giving him time to rethink, as in "I'll give you time to change your mind, otherwise I'll have to kill you."

    However, when he tells the pawnbroker to count, I imagine it's because he wants the time to relish the kill, the fear of his victim before he rips his throat out.
    That's why he didn't count when he killed Fergus, it was just a necessary action, nothing to savour. At least, that's what I think. I doubt that in this case the counting is about compulsive behaviour.

  • Comment number 73.

    Kirby I think has come to help them he may test them but i think he will turn out to be a good guy (fairygod mother type person may be even like the three ghost from christmas carol )

  • Comment number 74.

    (blood disorders bone marrow ) maybe cassie died or need a donor jane was not a match her father was not suitable drinker ect ect Jane had other boy friends also meaning others were a match but she rejected them .Kirby ticked all the boxes kirby had something else going for him she said the toys helped what could the toys mean and the trust thing could mean she is losing hope she trusted in hope last time could trust in hope be enough this time .
    MY way of looking at the letter if it was a clue to something else .

  • Comment number 75.

    First we had grammar guru George getting his tenses wrong with: "They killed your mother and probably killed me". Then Hal with his stray apostrophes: "one of it's star attractions". Now this from Jane: "I've should also confess".

    Do any of the BH characters proof read their letters?

  • Comment number 76.

    I know Manc asked this before but was there ever an answer as to why the goodbye blogs to Sinead and Russell are now closed to comments, but the ones for Aidan are still open?

  • Comment number 77.

    or it could be that jane was ill and she can play with cassie because she wants to play and not kill time could mean jane was well enough to enjoy playing and the bit about not wedling his way into her bed could be what the illness does makes her bed ridden .
    Kirby is her cure he andshe granted each others wishes now that just leaves what happen to Ray now if ray represents the illness then he will want to destroy the cure /Kirby

  • Comment number 78.

    @75 i think its all to with the clues Regus left on his comic strip two negatives make A postive and i dont think he just meant blood but that statement is not true in grammer

  • Comment number 79.


    .... unless it is one of these subliminal clues
    we generally miss when they are given and later on we just sey
    .d**n it, how could we be so blind???

    but really, does it make such a difference???

    Alexandre Dumas pere, used to write some rather interesting bits in his serials which have been probably- mercifully corrected whilst being translated... I'd say if Dumas achieved international recognition despite grammatical mistakes, well TW could do worse.
    Beside, the story is good. Not everybody is as demanding as you Edward.

  • Comment number 80.

    @as for the mystery as why the goodbye blogs to RT and SK are closed but not the one for AT

    another mystery

    chill out Edward, just chill out

    Life is way too short to be remembered as the woman with an imaginary panda as a friend or the man who moaned about grammar on a BBC blog dedicated to a supernatural program.

  • Comment number 81.

    I just googled this is this what you are on about (Two negatives will equal a positive"I do not disagree" could mean "I certainly agree". Further statements may be necessary to resolve which particular meaning was intended
    Because of this ambiguity, double negatives are frequently employed when making back-handed compliments. The phrase "Mr. Jones was not incompetent" will seldom mean "Mr. Jones was very competent")

  • Comment number 82.

    For anyone still interested...Chapter Twelve of The Seer is now up. Should be here:


    Now I'm off to catch up on Ruby's... :)

  • Comment number 83.



    visiting England 1611, see above The Seer
    highly recommended for Wyndham Widows and Wenches alike

  • Comment number 84.

    Hello everyone! I have to say I much enjoyed your musings on the scrolls yesterday, and today - who knew there could be so much to a letter...?

    @edward_george I will look into the comments issue - probably just a setting I didn't or did use!

    Have a great day everyone! I'm off to the seaside to eat my body weight in crustaceans!


  • Comment number 85.

    Had a lot of fun on twitter this afternoon. If you tweet and your names don't match the ones here, please introduce yourself. Take care xx

  • Comment number 86.

    What is in a name a rose by any other name will embed thorns into your hand if you grab one without looking, causing you to do the Owey Owey hand wave.

  • Comment number 87.

    Good afternoon/ evening! OOh I'm not liking Mr Creepy Kirby. Someone said back in the posts that he may be related somehow to one of the HH peeps?
    Interesting thought, but I'm more inclined to the idea that he has been 'sent' , albeit not by Nina. More likely sent by Wyndham or someone with a stick and a rope...............

  • Comment number 88.

    @saint 68- you said 'people do not act good because of fear, you act good because you want to be sincerely good.'

    well religious people act good dont they because they fear going to hell? (some dont) also about coming back from AL and telling all. people say they have been on their death beds and seeing a 'bright light' and their relatives. so hearing that people still aren't on their best behaviour. did i get your drift on your comment saint or not?

  • Comment number 89.

    my twitter name and my name on here aren't the same. My twitter name is @lauren_1701. Loved the Hal's dating profile you made for him
    'Single vampire 500+ years withNsoh, OCD, unpredictable temperament seeks Red Shield?'

  • Comment number 90.

    i ment to put 85 Rebecca on post 89. opps!

  • Comment number 91.

    I wasn't even thought about when this was written, considerig my mum wasn't born until a month after this was written.

    Im not sure what to make of Kirby, he seems very creepy to me! I don't know what makes me feel this way, the first time i saw him in the preview of sundays ep, i just thought 'oh dear theres going to be a lot of trouble'.

  • Comment number 92.

    Its a little bit quiet this evening.

    'Are you sure you haven't killed me already, it really feels like hell'

  • Comment number 93.

    Okay, I have just thought of an odd theory re: Eve "Saviour" theory. Probably wrong but interesting nonetheless.
    Eve is human, but child of werewolves. Is her blood toxic to vampires?
    If it is, there are two ways this could work:
    1) Less likely: samples of her blood are injected into people around the world who then act as bait for vampires -> dead vampires. Bit risky and lots of volunteers would die of blood loss anyway, so not likely unless in a hurry to eradicate vampires.
    2) More likely: the gene for Anti-Vamp Blood is passed down through the generations, spreading through the population - by being vamp-resistant, people with the gene have an evolutionary advantage. The supply of snacks for the vampires dwindles, leading them to either go clean out of necessity or kill each other in fights over the last remaining blood sources. Eventually, all humans are vamp-resistant and the surviving vampires are clean (I never said they were nice, they might still kill people for kicks and hold dogfights, but they're clean because they have to be). This one would explain why the scriptwriters named her Eve too - all vamp-resistant humans would be descended from her.
    Sorry for ramble. Note-writing is boring and my mind wandered.

  • Comment number 94.

    @lozzie or anyone else on twitter. im not on twitter and i dont really read it (once in a blue moon i will) would you do us ones who aren't on it a favour and pop any juicy bits that we might like to know on here please? any spoilers, clues etc. thanks much appreciated.

    p.s im not on it cos the husband will have a fit-he hates it! ''if you want to talk to your friends pick up the phone'' hes a bit armish! hee hee

  • Comment number 95.

    ooohhh im just watching new tricks on bbc and the fella who played ivan is in it playing a psychic!!

  • Comment number 96.

    @Leanne. Of course I will. Not much is put on twitter. All that is put on it is that there are new blogs up etc. Some of the crew put pictures on of behind the scenes. But rest assured all 'juicy' bits will be put on the blog

  • Comment number 97.

    Its getting late. Is it nearing the time for a new blog?
    Are the vamp moderators at the BBC checking it over to make sure it doesn't give away alot about sundays ep?

  • Comment number 98.

    @lozzie thanks!! not sure we will get a new blog, those letters are still fresh.

    i wonder if we might see some flash backs of ivan and hal? ivan was mentioned twice in the last episode, mabe its a little hint.

  • Comment number 99.

    Theres 2 new blogs --->

  • Comment number 100.

    New blog


    and to find me on twitter - good luck with that


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