Twenty-four years ago the man who shepherded New Zealand’s rugby team to World Cup triumph was Brian Lochore.
Now Sir Brian, he still cuts an imposing but friendly figure at 71. He is a bear of a man, his huge paws enveloping my own in a handshake.
His eyes have retreated a little with age but they are illuminated by a ready smile.
Sir Brian is a legend in New Zealand. As both a number eight and lock forward, he won 25 international caps for his country between 1964 and 1971. He was captain of the All Blacks for 18 of those Tests.