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5 live Rajar figures Q4 2011



Hot on the heels of the publication of the service licence review, today we’ve got the latest radio listening figures.

5 live’s weekly audience stands at 6.23 million – virtually unchanged on the 6.24 million of last quarter. Our share of listening has risen slightly to 4.3%.

Year on year there’s a significant drop from what was a record-breaking time for us when for the first and only time in our history we had more than 7 million listeners a week.

Inevitably the nature of 5 live means that listening levels are to some extent influenced by major events and this time last year we undoubtedly gained huge benefit both from the Ashes series and a number of talked about news events such as the snowfalls of November/December 2010.

The last quarter has been quieter but we still have over six million listeners for the twelfth quarter in a row. Of course we know that what really matters to our listeners and ultimately determines how many people listen is the quality of our coverage.

This morning’s story on 5 live Breakfast about male “slavery” is a great example of original 5 live journalism, whilst I think our coverage last weekend of the Australian Open showed radio sports commentary at its very best. Next week Aasmah Mir will be live for Drive from Moscow to look at the state of Russia ahead of the Presidential elections while on February 15th we’ve got a major debate on youth unemployment presented by Victoria Derbyshire.

In terms of the service licence review which was published on Monday, we’ve started work on responding to the detailed recommendations and actions. It’s a very positive and helpful report about 5 live which recognises the strength and value of what we currently do.

But we know there are always things we can do better and we know that the media landscape in particular is constantly changing. The review gives us plenty to consider including how to raise awareness of our news programmes, the overall balance of certain news programmes and our coverage of minority sports.

It’ll take a few weeks to complete the thinking but once we’ve developed our plans we’ll share them widely including on this blog.

Adrian Van Klaveren is the controller of BBC Radio 5 Live and BBC 5 Live Sports Extra.

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  • Comment number 1.

    When is 5 live going to discuss the BBC Trust report on the balance between sport & news coverage & when will they be following the recommendations?

  • Comment number 2.

    To quote the same story in The Guardian with a different spin:
    'BBC Radio 5 Live, which has just completed its historic move out of London to the corporation's new HQ in Salford, lost nearly a million listeners to fall to its lowest audience since 2009. The rolling news and sport station pulled in 6.23 weekly million listeners on average in the final three months of last year.
    It was marginally down on the previous three months but 12.2% down on the record 7.09 million that it drew in the final quarter of 2010.
    The latest figures are the lowest since its audience of 6.11 million in the final three months of 2009.
    The year-on-year fall of the station's share of the audience was even more dramatic, down a fifth to 4.3% from 5.3%.'

    I'd like to know if last year's RAJAR story had an acknowledgement that the rise in audience was attributable to The Ashes and why TalkSport's audience has gone up, despite the fact they were also covering the Ashes last Winter.

  • Comment number 3.

    Way to go! as the station's favourite nation would say. Nine months of losing listeners and then the big one - a million off to radio 4 or somewhere else.

    It's just the listeners way of reminding you we don't like what we hear.

    A few days after the trust said everything was fab, the bombshell. A week or so ago Patten said don't dumb down and respect your audience! And Tim Davie said radio is going to be more visual. But this will be difficult with half the station hiding behind the masthead "Not available in your area" in London.

    So much wrong, and for so long. Salford could have been a new start. Time to get rid of those who won't move or have become tired and demotivated. But no, the same programmes, tired formats and presenters. The station has become the talk radio equivalent of muzak. We're not listening.

  • Comment number 4.

    Get rid of the old guard and the usual clique of Campbell,Derbyshire,Fogarty,Bacon,Nolan,Livesey etc.Day after day the same old over paid presenters with the same sleep inducing format.They don't sound remotely motivated to me.The whole station needs freshening up by bringing in some of the very good ' fringe ' presenters who hardly get a look in and get back to a serious news agenda without the dumbed down celebrity obsessed trivia.Unless changes are made more and more will just turn to the excellent Radio 4 for their news as I do.

  • Comment number 5.

    Proof that listeners are moving to Radio Four's Today Programme is that their listening figures have gone up to within 100,000 of Chris Moyles on Radio One.

    Ginger is right, there needs to be a big refreshing sweep through the comfortable style of journalism that has settled down and shows signs of smothering the idea of what the station is about. There has been no difference in puns, jokes and trivia with Nicky, an unlistenable to voice with Rachel which completely ruins your digital reception, Victoria is a shining light apart from her music bit, the programme known as Shelagh Fogerty taken over by bonhomie and joking with guests for half of it, the ultimate in celebrity trivia for two hours, then some sparks of life, but not many, in Drive. Leading on to sport with some serious drawbacks, and at weekends really terrible programming which I expect people do not want to listen to at all. I do not include Danny Baker in that, but Double Take and Seven Day Sunday are just not the kind of programmes that a national broadcaster should be allowing - rechurning of stuff we all know about and for what? Naturally the constant repeating of stories from during the week in Northern Ireland on Nolan, and the stupidity of Tony Livesey's programme has mutated in to, means switch offs will become even more frequent.

    This is the reality of the station, and although we all have favourite bits of it even now, AV-K needs to stand back really far, and listen to it as if he is a new listener, then talk to some really professional journalists and ask them to help him revamp it all. He also needs to be open with the licence payers, who are sitting back seeing exactly what we thought would happen, come true. Virtually no jobs for local people at all, in fact it is costing licence fees and ratepayers of Salford an absolute fortune for this piece of lip service vanity. Sorry but these rajars are proving so much of 5Live is a wasteful and seriously mad waste of resources.

  • Comment number 6.

    Mistered5 does us all a service by quoting from the Guardian to give us a spin-free interpretation of the Rajars. What a pity the Controller couldn't also be as transparent.

    As usual in the propaganda post the extent of the fall was not highlighted: 1 MILLION listeners, around 15% of your audience and the greatest fall in three years.

    Something is seriously wrong.

    Perhaps it is not surprising for a station, which has an increasingly warped sense of what news is, to neglect to reveal the most newsworthy numbers from the Rajars.

    The most comical part of the Controllers post was the reasons for this enormous loss in listeners. Was it the Salford-centric bubble? No! What is the dumbing down? No! It was the snow ladies and gentleman.

    5Live lost a million listeners because of the weather.

    Have you ever heard such nonsense in all of your life?

    The weather and the lack of the Ashes (even though they are heard on 5Live Sports Extra not 5Live) were the reasons for fall.

    It's always external circumstances. The programmers, producers and talent are never responsible. Have you ever noticed that?

    Then we have this gem, "Of course we know that what really matters to our listeners and ultimately determines how many people listen is the quality of our coverage."


    So, if you've just lost 1 million listeners it must mean that the quality the your coverage has fallen significantly. Hung by your own petard methinks.

    Time to loose the lightweight nonsense, like "what things have been stuck on you when you leave the house", which Tony Livesey was soliciting last night.

  • Comment number 7.

    My long lost friend. You are correct.

    Two people featured on Bacon, selling their wares.

  • Comment number 8.

    As a home/office worker I used to love 5 Live and had it on pretty much 24/7. It still has a number of strengths but is losing it's way and having spoken to many other listeners and ex-listeners who, like me, now listen to other BBC stations for much of the day, the powers that be at 5 Live really need to wake up and smell the listening figures.

    On the bright side, Breakfast and Drive remain consistently good, as is Danny Baker's Saturday morning show. For insomniacs or the occasional sleepless nights, Up all Night is superb and exactly what 5 Live used to be about - interesting slants on news, sport and current affairs from around the world with intelligent and amiable presenters such as Rhod Sharp and Doton Adebayo.

    In fact 5 Live has many very good, likeable broadcasters who seem to be locked away in cupboards for the odd 'fill-in' appearance or at silly-o-clock on Saturdays and Sundays. Phil Williams has that 'intelligent bloke on the street' charm that works very well for a news and sport station, while Colin Paterson seems utterly wasted hanging around on red carpets waiting for 30 seconds with Johnny Depp when he has all too seldom shown himself to be a fine studio-based presenter.

    Sports commentary and coverage of live events such as Wimbledon and football (Alan Green? - well let's not go there) remains, I think, the best anywhere in broadcasting, but I think people are switching off in droves thanks to the endlesssly repetitive Premiership-obsessed drivel that seems to pour from the mouths of numerous pundits and presenters. As a case in point the recent Transfer Deadline coverage had me reaching for Radio 4 quicker than you could say 'personal terms' or '2-year deal.' An obsession with Manchester City and what such-and-such player said on Twitter does not make for the sort of quality sports journalism that used to be the jewel in 5 Live's crown.

    I couldnt agree more with Carrie (above) about Sunday mornings. This should be a really good spot for talk radio but despite numerous attempts at finding a formula that works, it just doesn't, and certainly not in the way that Danny Baker and Fighting Talk do on a Saturday morning.

    Double Take simply doesn't 'click' and the numerous 'topical comedy' formats are about as funny as an Islington dinner party, which, funnily enough, is exactly what 5 Live seems to be trying to replicate for much of it's airtime despite moving (at least partly) Up North, and having the aforementioned FT as a template for what 5 Live listeners actually want from weekend radio rather than the 'chattering class' guff we seem to get on Sunday mornings and late at night.

    For brevity's sake let's not even mention Tony Livesey, Victoria Derbyshire, Richard 'The Ego' Bacon or Stephen 'I'm Not Obsessed about My Mother, My Weight or Northern Ireland' Nolan - this would be a very long polemic indeed.

    But I would love to love 5 Live again. I suggest the 'gaffer' a) takes a long hard look at those Rajar figures b) listens to some archive material from earlier days c) checks out who listeners like and don't like from the current crop of 'star' presenters and d) has a few Expressos and tunes into Up all Night.

  • Comment number 9.

    How could I forget about UAN? Excellent all week long for different reasons depending on presenter. But there are supposed to be cuts coming in this area which haven't been spelt out yet.

    I also like Adil Ray, he does great fill ins when someone is off.

    Livesey was a mockery of a programme last night, it is such a pity because for a while he was funny occasionally, but now he is just too quippy.

  • Comment number 10.

    This guy is impossible,he is virtually saying that the record high listener figures for just over 12 months ago and which were then greeted with such a fanfare by all at 5live, is now saying that that figure was a one off.How does the controller respond to losing a million listeners ?.....with more of the same back slapping culture that made a million listeners turn off and go elsewhere.I am beginning to feel as though 5lives rapid decline is apparently the fault of me and the other listeners who had the good sense to walk away from it, rather than the blame being put on present broadcasters and management.

  • Comment number 11.

    5 live bores me less now than it used to. Many changes for the better. Thanks to whomever has been responsible!!! But please please sort out Up All Night. It's so dull and often embarrassing.

  • Comment number 12.

    Can I also suggest that a move from 5 live to Radio 4 could be due to baby boomers getting even older and gaining a taste for the radio equivalent of a pipe & slippers? Less of us dynamic whipper snappers to go around.

  • Comment number 13.

    Well carrie that will be a great shame if cuts are made to UAN.Rhod Sharp is the most affable of presenters on the station and compared to some of the blandness on daytime 5Live, some of the most interesting news items get tucked away on the overnight show.

  • Comment number 14.

    i am not sure that I agree with previous posters. For one thing surely you will agree that the same people were there with same programmes when the audience went up to seven million. Therefore it may well have the temporary factors such as the Ashes that caused the rise.

    However, I agree with the BBC Trust report that some changes are needed if 5 live is to sound like a 75% news station. Perhaps previous posters agree with that.

    Apparently in the year 2000 Greg Dyke then BBC Director General decided that 5 live should be moved from the remit of BBC News and go to the remit of BBC Radio. I wonder if this is something that should be looked at again.

  • Comment number 15.

    I have a reference here - hope it works

  • Comment number 16.

    View full schedule

    Wake up to money: where a cheeky-chappie, right-wing, eastender talks to others

    Breakfast: (the problem starts right here as millions reach for radio 4). A face for radio, sure. But a voice for the Sign Zone.

    VD live in London: where VD's chauffeured to a demolition site to read the Daily mail aloud with the empathy of a Saudi court.

    Foggy: n/a. As she's off more than Gabby Logan. Had she been there - Martyn Lewis plugs his website and a sports bloke talks sport to other sports blokes. Plus trails.

    Bacon: What can anyone say that he hasn't said himself a thousand times. A legend in the 5-live's management think-booth, who's never knowingly held a conversation with anyone who wasn't on the make and thinks he mates with stand-ups.

    Drive: Digestive biscuits, tea cosies (today), odd-shaped vegetables; an over indulgence of an old photo copier and a vending machine having a fit.

    Footie: where a bunch of mates recreate an empty pub....

    Livesey:pornographer, professional northerner and "Hey, Look, ...Listen...Yes...Right..." Toilets and what goes down them

    UAN/Dotun. The only shining star. London or Salford, Xmas or New Year's eve, he's there and gives everything - in-depth foreign, world sports, music etc. a flavour of what you should expect elsewhere.

    For the weekend - well that was commissioned by soemone who never lsitens. Like everyone else. ('cept Poogie)

  • Comment number 17.

    Under no circumstances should Rhod Sharp be removed. His show is practically the only reminder of what Radio 5 used to be like.
    To be subjected to radio's equivalent of the Daily Star each afternoon is obviously a complete turn off and I do hope that the two adverse reports this week will bring those "in charge" of this once fine station to their senses.

  • Comment number 18.

    Welcome2theMachine - u r funy. u shood b on a 5 live comedee show!

    Methinks someone's not been given their cookies before bedtime. Grumpy grumpy.

  • Comment number 19.

    As far as I know the enjoyment of good quality doesn't depend on being old. Or the dislike of poor quality on being either young or old.

    Can't be bothered any more. UnallocatedB reminds me of everything I dislike about 2-4 in the afternoon.

  • Comment number 20.

    Quite right and I really do wonder whether AVK realises what kind of listener/character the dumbed down 5live now attracts.

  • Comment number 21.

    You're only as old as you feel and act. For all I know everyone posting is 23 years old! But there is certainly a lot of elderly-like, life-is-rubbish-because-I-don't-understand-it-anymore thinking about. I know a very special 70 year old who enjoys 5live. She is positive and refusing to shrivel.

    "Dish it out - can't take it" comes to mind. 5live does have quality, it's clearly just the kind of quality that's to your taste anymore. Another sign of age is a reduction in acceptence in the thoughts, ideas and tastes of other people. Nothing is ever as good as the old days. But that kind of thinking just prevents one from enjoying anything in the present.

    I feel pity for the kind of listeners/characters that can't enjoy 5live's joie de vivre.

  • Comment number 22.

    Hey look - here's an olive branch. I don't like Richard Bacon's show either. I'm more like you that you might think! Scary thought.....

  • Comment number 23.

    I don't think that a station that is supposed to have high majority news content should be bothered to feature stuff like the future of England's football captaincy. In the lesser part of a programme on sports updates but surely not a phone in? For about 20 minutes this morning, rugby and football totally sandwiched out Huhne and that is a subject that even before the news was released about him, should have had more weight.

    Ageism doesn't really have anything to do with this, as you point out you know someone of 70 who likes the station, and of course I know lots of people who like parts of it, which is the point people are making with their retuning buttons. More people are going elsewhere for radio programmes because there is less to like than in the past. It is interesting AV-K never releases listening figures for individual programmes, as they are obviously passed on to the programmes' team because they get quoted, yet this would answer lots of people's criticisms straight away. If someone is so fantastic they have to be kept on despite their show being rubbish, let us know about it. And station detractors would have to stop making those points, if they are proved wrong.

  • Comment number 24.

    AV-K is always saying programmes need time to bed in, but as they have not had any real changes for at least 3 lots of rajars with main weekday shows, why not bite the bullet and prove detractors wrong?

    Olive branch accepted - this is a debate after all, not a battle.

  • Comment number 25.

    I personally think the capitancy of England's football team is more news worthy than Huhne. One story references British society and how far (or not) we've come in the fight against rascism. It speaks to the nature of top British institutions, as the FA has again dragged their feet on an issue that should have been dealt with long ago. It addresses what we think about each other and how we deal with each other on a personal level.

    The Huhne story is a grubby tale about a D-list polititian who allegedly tried to get out of a speeding ticket by telling fibs and who's ex-wife, whom he left for another woman, is also involved.

    I'd argue one of these stories is much more 'dumbed down' and sensationalist than the other. Guess which one I'm talking about.

  • Comment number 26.

    Oh dear sounds like someone is rather grumpy himself and having a bad day but thank you so much for your erudite comments.If you think that just because other posters have a different opinion to yourself about some of the poor quailty of broadcasting on 5live and that there is some twisted connection and woeful generalisations to be made about age and that ' all life is rubbish ' then I think we should pity you.I hear just as many, if not more ,young people moaning about their ' lot ' than you could ever imagine.So your spurious argument and sweeping statements you equate with growing older is without foundation and I think that goes for the many who take the trouble to post on here, whatever your particular obsession with age is.You really do need to think more about what people say and post rather than ranting away in some personal attack on other contributors.Definately enjoying life, old or in the present and btw you definately need to chill out more man.Regards GT.

  • Comment number 27.

    Actually the most important thing today in terms of England and Wales at least, is probably the NHS reforms issue. That Terry thing will drone on and on, he will be either fined the max. £2500 or he will be found not guilty and that will be that. Who could care? The fight against racism in society is the issue but it seems to focus on one rather unpleasant character in football as somehow representing attitudes in the UK. I live in an incredible multicultural area and if one person around here said what he is alleged to have said, he would have been charged and in court before you know it. But him being him, it is put off for absolutely months. What's that about? Deal with it quickly, show racists it is unacceptable, and stop making overpaid unpleasant people exceptions. Or have a phone subject "Do you think the British are innately racist?" instead. It is just pandering to football fans to listen in, to wrap it up like that.

  • Comment number 28.

    As I've stated in another post, I'm a 37 year old (which only just puts me outside the age bracket that the trust report said they need to aim at) who is getting turned off the current output of Five Live. I agree with UnallocatedB that a change is listening demographics isn't purely an age thing.
    For example, this week Livesey prologued his programme with a trailer for a 'massive news story that was embargoed until 'til Midnight' It was only about an actress reappearing in Eastenders! This came straight after a discussion on the football deaths in Egypt and seems completely trivial. Whilst I found this completely trivial, a soap fan of 18 or 80 may have stayed tuned for it.

    Whilst I was resigned to the fact my dislike of trivial/showbiz news put me in a minority heading away from Five Live it would seem the RAJAR figures suggest I'm literally one in a million!

  • Comment number 29.

    One of a million!

  • Comment number 30.

    This comment has been referred for further consideration. Explain.

  • Comment number 31.

    I've been modded! I feel like I've truly arrived :) I still like 5 live tho. In fact, I'm off to listen now! Who's with me?!

  • Comment number 32.

    I refer to post 1. Is it possible at all to have a phone in or two on something relevant about the way the station is moving rather than endless stuff on the future of the England captaincy. Surely you want a station people want to listen to as opposed to one that forces constant retuning throughout the day for listeners?

  • Comment number 33.

    Ginger's views on the Trust Review 5 Live section were just read out on Radio Four's Feedback programme.

  • Comment number 34.

    Peter Allen's opening salvo tonight .... The big story is the weekend weather (oh dear its a bit chilly), also John Terry and Chris Huhn.

    Have they heard possibly that Jeremy Bowen is back today from the tinderbox Middle East. Why not a detailed leader? Or an inciteful interview? After all, if we have no car / heating fuel this is the real story. Not a newsperson on the editing team. Disgraceful.

  • Comment number 35.

    I heard a very affecting interview with a woman in Egypt earlier in the programme. Not at all disgraceful.

  • Comment number 36.

    A V-K : Just 3 of the 35 posts here are supportive of 5live. Nice attempt at glossing over the loss of a million listeners. Are you not listening or do you just not give a stuff? The whole station needs a complete overhaul and if you're not prepared to do it, then step aside

  • Comment number 37.

    It looks like there's only a response by the management on relatively unimportant subjects like Twitter usage instead of concerns over quality.

    It's time to get really worried when I had to switch over to TalkSport last night for a better quality of sports coverage with Danny Kelly. Colin Murray's questions to Roberto Di Matteo included 'what do you and AVB drink when you go out?' and 'who's the best dressed?' Even the irritating adverts on there couldn't tempt me back to the inane & vacuous boys club on a Friday night.
    Such a shame as I think Pat Nevin is the best pundit when he's given a serious platform to discuss his views.

  • Comment number 38.

    I was listening as I made dinner last night and it did what so little sports journalism does - it made me smile. The questions you refer to came at the end of the interview in which the expected questions about Chelsea's season, their upcoming match with MU and the effect JT's situation is having on the team his reaction to settling into the backroom structure as no2 after having a taste of no1 management. Why not have some silliness at the end of that? What is everyone's issue with having fun? It's sport. It's fun. It was a Friday night. It's only a game.

  • Comment number 39.

    Also, I'd be seriously worried if the top management of a national channel took much stock in a tiny number of habitual complainers (myself included as I'm complaining about the complaining). Face it, we're mere specks of sand in an ocean of methodologies to figure out what people think. Messege boards are hardly known for attracting reasonable debate or opinion. I for one hope that AVK is currently having a jolly time with his family.

  • Comment number 40.

    You are quite right post 36, I think this place is a good cross section of how the majority feel about 5live at present but hopefully given AVK's encouraging last paragraph on this blog and the recommendations by the BBC Trust you never know things might just be about to turn around for the better and claw back some of the listeners they have lost.5live have obviously been told that they can and must do better and not settle for just mediocrity.

  • Comment number 41.

    In response to 36, since when has this Blog been an accurate representation of what the majority 5live listeners think? 5 or 6 angry regulars posting there rants on a daily basis would not be my idea of a reliable overview of majority 5live listener thought, you are more likely to get a balanced picture on 5lives Facebook page, thats the reality, to even suggest that the anti 5live brigade on this Blog have such a hold on public opinion is quite frankly laughable, i am in stitches!!!

  • Comment number 42.

    Hey Fedster - no long time no hear. I was thinking you'd morphed into UnallocatedB

    I'm not an angry regular ... just so happens I have opinions on good and bad radio and am prepared to air them. I have a mate who curses Five Live day in, day out. But he just doesn't do blogging. Many like him I bet.

  • Comment number 43.

    Stumps you were the poster who initially accused me of being a BBC Mole now you are insinuating that i am UnallocatedB, just goes to show how childish, bitter and unreasonable the regulars are on this board, no wonder we dont get a wider range of contributers on this blog, when the regulars unleash their baseless allegations.

    Also why would someone who curses 5live day in, day oout, continue to listen to it? There is no logic in that, life is to short, why waste your time in listening to something you dont like.bizzare!!!

  • Comment number 44.

    Yes I am so angry I could crush a grape.

    Sounds like Feds anger has reached a stratospheric level over the anti 5live crew and the BBC Trusts recommendations of more news.Lets have more !!!!!!! on here as well.

  • Comment number 45.

    Honestly don't understand why people are moaning so much about 5live on here? Can't say I enjoy every programme but if I hated it as much as a lot of people in this thread seem to then I'm pretty sure I'd consider some crazy course of action like errr actually listening to another radio station.

  • Comment number 46.

    :-) Ginger i am not angry at all, i only post on this Blog on the odd occasion, getting angry over negative missives on this blog is a bit ott imo, theres more worthwile things in life to get angry over.

  • Comment number 47.

    I hereby officially absolve Fedster of having anything to do with me and my views.

    But I'm curious why there's a certain someone in the room who seems to have a habit of labelling someone as angry, when they clearly aren't, in order to belittle their opinion. Can't we all just get along?

  • Comment number 48.

    Quite right.Its absolutely disgusting people complaining all the time on here about 5live.Reading between the lines, even AVK as as much said that there will be some changes for the better in the near future, so lets give the guy a break and get off his back.These people who complain don't give anyone a chance to make the new adjustments , they make me sick !!!

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  • Comment number 50.

    Well they're all doing their best aren't they ? .Why would you listen if you can't stand this station ? .......go and listen to Absolute Radio.

    Btw before anybody asks, no I am not an employee, past or present, of the BBC or do I have any connection with them.

  • Comment number 51.

    Ginger tbf i dont think anyone really cares if you have any link to the BBC, and yes i think maybe its time if you and the other i hate 5live but i will listen to it anyway types did find a new station to listen to it, not sure about absolute Radio maybe talkSPORT is more down your street?

  • Comment number 52.

    I find it even more disgusting that people even waste their time coming on here complaining day after day,haven't they got anything better to do ? I mean just because they pay a licence fee doesn't mean that they have some divine right to criticise and have an opinion on a radio station that others love.Why do they bother ?........beats me !!!!!! These licence fee payers should hang their heads in shame and if I had my way, I would have Robbie Savage and his wisdom on every programme,he is wasted on 606. I propose doubling the licence fee to pay more for some of the 5live jewels in the crown presenters so they don't jump ship !!! AVK I'm right behind you.

  • Comment number 53.

    Calm down mate - you'll give yourself an ulcer with all those exclamation points. They just replayed that DiMateo interview from last night on Sports Extra. In case anyone wanted a second listen.

  • Comment number 54.

    I am so angry.... ( give some more of these ) !!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment number 55.

    Re.post 39. " I for one hope AVK is home with his family have a jolly time." Almost certainly you would know

  • Comment number 56.

    Oh, and another thing unallocated - if you want, as you seem to, vapid, manufactured personalities and lite-weight content, suggest you try cbeebies or radio one

  • Comment number 57.

    Breathtaking,amusing,edge of the seat stuff, yes you got it in 1 its the fantastic 606, which is on right now with Chappers, hopefully 606 will not be cut to make way for more news.

  • Comment number 58.

    Chappers? Why do sports people have this damn annoying habit of making names end in 'er'. It's childish.

  • Comment number 59.

    Welcome2 - "Almost certainly", based on wha? Nothing more than sticking up for a station I like. Are you suggesting there are over 6 million members of AVK's family listening? I'd give the man a trophy if that were the case. As it happens, you are also wrong about my having a taste for vapid, manufactured personalities (doesn't even make sense) and lite (correct spelling: light) weight content. You're track record for making correct assumptions is woeful. Hope you're not wasting your money on the pools. Why are you bullying me?

  • Comment number 60.

    Gah! Anyone who spots my own (obviously intentional) spelling mistake, quick on the heels of gently mocking another, gets a gold star. Night night.

  • Comment number 61.

    Fedster, if you only post on this forum "on the odd occasion", you sure gave it a battering today. As for those saying why don't you listen to TalkSport, the figures show WE ARE. Another year on year rise for that station. And since when was Facebook a source of balanced opinion?

  • Comment number 62.

    Got to admit that 5live is funny though.All those cheeky presenters coming out with hilarious quips about stuff and who doesn't smile at those text messages and tweets sent in by listeners and of course where would this station be without the ' stand up comedians ? ' , gosh they are so funny, I find myself rolling around on the floor, grabbing my sides with laughter.Please no more 5live I think I can feel my face are aching.

  • Comment number 63.

    To quote Fedster, my sides split. I always tune in to the 'Moan-in' or the 'Help' section with Richard Bacon and i love it when Richard Livsey gives a big 'shout-out' to us in the small hours. And who can cast aside Victoria Derbyshires astute observations of modern music?

    Is it true that when Wikipedia went offline the other week, 5live also went off air as its journalists were unable to work?

  • Comment number 64.

    I must say, I'm finding this new found positivity immensely refreshing. Bravo chaps or chapettes.

  • Comment number 65.

    Oh yes 5live is on is our house non stop now.I can't live without all that ' whizzo/cheeky chappie ' type humour and whatsmore they don't even sound smug about what they say in their delivery.What jokes are they thinking up next,I can't wait.Who needs all this news and sport clogging up the airwaves when you can have comedians/presenters laughing themselves silly ? This station goes from strength to strength.Well done to you all.

  • Comment number 66.

    Still intrigued as to why you come on here to complain about 5live rather than just not listen to it? I don't like Radio 1 or 2 (or 3), but you know what, I don't bother to go on a message board complaining about them. What would be the point.

  • Comment number 67.

    I do agree that fun and laughter should not be allowed on the radio though, this is very much not the medium for such frivolity; news and sport is a serious business for serious people and should seriously not be taken not seriously.

  • Comment number 68.

    Well Barbara, the point about complaining about content of 5Live is simple: it should be news and sport. There wouldn't be any point of complaining about radios 1, 2 or 3, or 6 for that matter, if you didn't like music yes go somewhere else. But news and sport are not found anywhere else on the BBC radio national network, and that is why we would like to hear news and sport, and not soap news, dancing on Ice updates, or X Factor and Strictly, or someone's comedy tour, or new book or even dare I say it, Help! or the Moan in.

  • Comment number 69.

    Carrie i suppose it boils down to what the definition of News is in the context of 5live Progamming, your defintion might be different to theirs, indeed even the recent report stated "Radio 5 Live was "greatly valued" by listeners who appreciated the "breadth, depth, wit and intelligence" of its news programmes, so you and others might not like sections of the News Programmes, but quite clearly large numbers do.

  • Comment number 70.

    Quite right Fed give the public what they want I say.I mean I can remember one time when Vicky Derbyshire announced that she was going to have Coleen Rooney on her programme ( I think it may have been to do with asking her opinion on NPT ) and I was so disappointed and let down when it turned out that 5live couldn't get hold of her.Completely ruined my day.Why would you get listeners hopes up only to be dashed ? Is this a news station or what ?

    Btw another outstanding phone in this morning with a discussion about John Terry.I can't get enough of this subject.More of the same please !!!!

    Anyhow I'm off to get my latest copy of Hello magazine before they sell out and I am so looking forward to the monday music review.

  • Comment number 71.

    Mmmmm. John Terry versus should we do more to help the ordinary people of Syria? No brainer.

  • Comment number 72.

    Yes literally, no brains.

  • Comment number 73.

    You should listen to World Service/Radio 4 if you want more international news. As Fedster has pointed out your definition of news might be a bit narrow.. Yes the ongoing situation in Syria could no doubt be considered a more 'important' story, but the John Terry situation is certainly of a lot of interest to a lot of people. Are you really suggesting that you should be the arbiter of what is and isn't newsworthy?

  • Comment number 74.

    A large chunck of our society care, maybe even the majority care more about the John Terry situation,than they do the Syria situation, the majority of people will find more talking points in the John Terry situation than the Syria situation, thats just a fact, it may seem shallow, it may seem selfish, but thats the reality, hence 5live catering for what the people want to talk about.

  • Comment number 75.

    Fed your whole post 74 makes me incredibly sad.

    No I don't want to be the arbiter of what is news and what isn't, that is ridiculous. Neither do I want only world news, although I do listen to the World Service quite often. But churning over Terry is even more ludicrous - no-one is saying anything new and the case is ongoing, so sack Fabio, and then lets have a discussion about the morals of the number one candidate to replace him, once his trial has finished. This is a discussion about what the station is for, and I think it is for news, and so apparently do the BBC Trust.

  • Comment number 76.

    By the way I was trying to be ironic about future discussions about the England manager. It's just difficult to take England football seriously.

  • Comment number 77.

    Quite right Fed,5live knows its audience and always delivers in that respect.The John Terry situation is far more important and definately more newsworthy to loyal 5live listeners than people being massacred in Syria.I mean what is going on there ?Also I was most heartened and I must say I think 5live has surpassed its remit today by not only spending hours discussing John Terry and Fabio Capello but it was good to hear 5live give a mention and shout out ( on Vicky Derbyshires monday music review ) to the nations and 5lives listeners favourite national treasure and sweetheart, the one and only Cheryl Cole.I am most encouraged by the standard of todays broadcasting and will continue to listen advidly throughout the day !!!

  • Comment number 78.

    Good man Ginger.

  • Comment number 79.

    thank you Ginger for your wonderful posts brought a smile to my face. is it just me or does Vicky's music review have similarities to an embarrassment like yr drunk uncle dancing at a wedding? it's soooooooooooo awful our Vicky trying to get down with the kids - yuck

  • Comment number 80.

    I would agree that a lot of people would rather listen to (yet another) programme on John Terry than a discussion on Syria.
    However the drop in listenership of a million people over the last couple of years has coincided with the general 'dumbing down' of their topics. It may be a coincidence that this is the case, but I know it's definitely one of the reasons I listen less than I used to do.

  • Comment number 81.

    There is some belting irony on here that has given me a good old chuckle ... seems to have passed over Fedster's head alas. I await the insults.

  • Comment number 82.

    Aasmah is doing real reporting from Russia. Very interesting indeed. And Peter spoke to someone in Homs. Millions over here must be bored to death.

  • Comment number 83.

    dubdee 1000 (comment 63) a worthy co contributor to/with? Ginger. at last someone else who appreciates the 'prestigous' help and moan in slots on Bacon's 'prestigious' (sic) programme and the entertaining and truly informative music review on Monday mornings; without which I would stop listening to talk radio and listen to R1 instead!

  • Comment number 84.

    When 5live broadcasts things you like, there are sneers. When 5live broadcasts things you don't like, there are sneers. When there are 10 minutes of something you don't like, you insult the entire programme (and the people who work on them). When there's one show per day (or even 2) you don't like, you condemn the whole station. The changes at this station started many many years ago. You cannot attribute a loss of listeners oer the past year to those changes alone, without acknowledging the previous year's increases to those changes as well. Everyone deserves a news station for them. Most of you have stated that you're much happier with the World Service or Radio 4, why then do you continue to insist you must also have 5live catering to you as well? 5live is clearly looking to offer news to listeners who aren't offered something by any other BBC news station. You love throwing out terms like dumbed down, low brow, Hello readers, down market in order to belittle the tastes of a significant portion of this country's population. It all smacks of a nasty elitist attitude that suggests people who aren't 'your sort' don't deserve to be delivered news by the BBC. The time and effort you put in to being derogatory towards the people who spend their working lives making these shows and the listeners who obviously like the station, is surprising.

    Well done 5live for being different to other BBC stations. Just what the BBC has promised us it should be offering. I don't like every programme you make, in fact I actively dislike some, but then I really love others. That's enough for me. Sadly, some people are never satisfied.

  • Comment number 85.

    Carrie, i'm confused - I thought you said there was no interesting (well, what you consider interesting) news and yet apparently there is? So are you suggesting that there is a mixture of different news? Some of it you find interesting some you dont? Because to me that sounds like balanced output.

  • Comment number 86.

    I think I may just be making the point that at last they are fulfilling a remit to supply news rather than stuff that churns on and on all day about Terry.

    Read the Trust report in full.

  • Comment number 87.

    If you are referring to my comment that millions must be bored to death, I am talking of the high priority most important thing in the UK today (sorry regions) that Fabio has said something that may revoke his contract affecting millions of people. There was no balanced output, just football which is about to restart...................

  • Comment number 88.

    If you listen to 5 live you hear pretty often an excited voice telling you about some sporting event coming up on the station. It may be football or 6 nations rugby for example. It seems to occur just after the travel news, and probably at other times.

    However, what about the news? Is there ever an exciting publicity trailer for news subjects? Is the news just the sort of stodgy stuff that goes between the exciting sports items?

    According to the BBC Trust's report the public think of 5 live as a sports station. The report says that more effort is needed to make the public aware of 5 live's news output.

    So how would you do that? Well will sports reporting it seems that everybody who listens can have an opinion, can be an expert. With news items the public is served up a cut and dried piece of journalism by somebody, say, who hangs around Westminster. Where is the opportunity for the public, the listener, to get involved?

    Politics and the world of business, is like a competition with people jockeying for position. Take this business with Syria, it is about jockeying for position. One point of view is not right and the other wrong, any more than one football team is right and the other wrong. We are given the William Hague version. You are permitted to criticise it or support it, or neither.

    I think that the public like a bit of historical information. In football you have people who know the history of teams and competitions. It is the same with politics. Knowing a bit about what has happened before helps you to form a judgement about what is happening today.

  • Comment number 89.

    I remember when 5live first started and some presenter or another was always babbling on about some important or serious news item,which went completely over my head.I don't want 5live patronisng me or trying to educate me with out my consent I thought, so I sent a letter off to the then controller asking for more high jinks and gaeity on 5live. My god that Mr.Shennans appointment was a stroke of absolute genius !!

    We are all happily made up of different molecules so we all have differing opinions.One mans news is another mans Dancing on Ice.I apologise for that rather offbeat analogy but I do so enjoy that programme, mainly because it is totally bereft of any news content whatsoever.However if 5live were to lead its headlines about who had been kicked off the show the sunday before, then that would grab my attention.

    Vociferous insinuations of a personal nature on are very unbecoming.If you prick someone do they not bleed ? Wah Hey the footies on.......come you spurs !!!!!!!! Goo on ,get in there my son. 5live is bostin......!!!

  • Comment number 90.

    ..btw great to hear from Sarnia again and I do hope you are keeping well.Thank you for your lovely comments.

  • Comment number 91.

    coreze - Finally! A constructive comment. I reckon it's harder to promote news in the same way as sport as you can't predict when something big is going to happen. Not in the same way as something like a big game. Altho I did hear them promoting drive in Russia before the programme today. Thinking about it, I don't think I've ever seen an ad for the 6 o'clock news or News24, unless it's talking about something like the royal wedding. Victoria's programme does a fair number of public debates on issues. One's coming up about unemployment according to the website. Maybe they need more with the other news shows too.

  • Comment number 92.

    By the way coreze, I didn't mean "finally you made a constructive comment", I meant finally _someone_ makes one on this thread. But I believe you've made a couple of good points already. You're an example to us all.

  • Comment number 93.

    By definition news is something you don't expect, but commentary on the news is what is needed, it certainly isn't that we are fed one side, but like yesterday on Drive, firsthand reportage from journos and people in the thick of it.

    No matter what people think, you shouldn't report to the lowest level of understanding but try to expand someone's knowledge, like teachers do from Year One, otherwise we would all be using words of one syllable for our whole lives.

  • Comment number 94.

    I don't hear anyone reporting to the lowest level of understanding on 5live. I hear a station giving us news, be it world affairs, local and global politics, sports news, entertainment news or national talking points. All that while including some fun along the way.

    The tired old critiques here have always been about entertainment news and the gall 5live has of reporting on a heavy weight topic one moment and then lightening up in the next. Neither of those things are inherently unintelligent. Things do not become unintelligent just because you don't feel they have value. Unless, as previously suggested, you believe yourself to be the arbiter of what's worthy on a BBC station. Entertainment news (I am thoroughly amused by how evil you all find it) I can ignore it as it's not my thing, because it actually doesn't take up that much of 5live's reporting over the course of 24 hours, 7 days per week. And that lightness, which some like to disparage, well that's exactly what I like about the station. Something they're offering that outher BBC news channels aren't. Which is exactly what they should be doing.

  • Comment number 95.

    Of course you are quite correct UnallocatedB. How stupid, old fashioned and ridiculous of me, I must be so old I don't really get radio for young people, thank goodness you and coreze have been here to put me right. Now I must get back to the fascinating phone in on people of school age who have had their lives ruined by social networking. It is so interesting. I am glad you have started posting because this is what I have not understood, that fun is important.

  • Comment number 96.

    "Hi for me the internet has been great. When I retired I went back to music. Since being on the net I was signed by. Record company, had music in a film, been on BBCRadio Kent. Radio Caroline . It is not all good we know, but it has also set people free. Ron New Eltham"

    Seems to me to be a multi-generational, current topic. Which appears to be drawing lots of comment and discussion. Such sneering appears, again, to be misplaced and based simply on being a topic that does not interest you personally.

  • Comment number 97.

    That was a great late night monday show presented by Tony Livesey last night.I especially enjoyed the item about texting in if you have ' urinated in public '.That was alot of fun and quite informative as well.Marvellous radio again and I don't in the least find it low brow broadcasting.I don't know how 5live think of these things and keeping us all entertained again and again ? Looking forward to another days rivetting radio.Well done to you all.

  • Comment number 98.

    Did that tiny item come after checking in with Homs at the start of the show, or after the discussion of Father's Rights? Or after larking about with Dickens names? What's your Dickens name GT? Oh wait WAIT - does Dickens fall under 'entertainment news'? Cuz that changes everything....

  • Comment number 99.

    Sadly anything of any quality is immediately diminished by a text in about public urination, but hey, that's because I'm old and I was brought up badly, I was taught to believe that it was offensive even if not totally an offence. How ridiculous I am, actually I think that I will tell my children to do it if they need to.

  • Comment number 100.

    If you truly believe what you've just written, any sensible person would come to the conclusion that this station is not really for you. In which case, why keep listening to a station you deem low quality for 12 hours a day? Just to complain about it on a message board later? Negativity is addictive, so I guess I can see why people keep moaning here. Fair enough I suppose. Just seems like a waste of time to me.


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