He became known as the arch enemy of apartheid during the years when key figures such as Nelson Mandela were in prison. And he's since worked on the process of reconciliation in South Africa.
He's known for his jolly laugh but behind it is a steely toughness which helped him stand up to oppressors -- whether it was intervening to stop a black lynch mob or standing up to the white rulers of South Africa. On The Interview Owen Bennett-Jones asks him where his strength of character and conviction come from.
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First broadcast 25th July 2008
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