White House Chiefs of Staff
What's it like to be the US President's right hand man, to be privy to his darkest times, and his moments of glory? White House Chiefs of Staff perform that role.
They are known as the President's gatekeepers, and the second most powerful men in Washington. Owen Bennett-Jones meets four former White House Chiefs of Staff - John Sununu, Leon Panetta, John Podesta and Andy Card.
Together they've worked through the last three American administrations, and have witnessed some of the most important historical events of the past 20 years.
Find out what they think of the job, the Presidents they served under, and how close the goings on in the popular television series The West Wing are to life in the White House.
Listen to the programme (49 mins)
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