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Extreme Lives: Lord Of The Skies


Adrian in his winged suit

Transcript of Live Chat with Adrian Nicholas
our special guest in the"Extreme Lives" Chat
on Monday 25th September 2000

BBC Host: Here's the first question.

Bob Roberts: You must be a nut!!! But, great program ...

Adrian Nicholas: Thank you very much indeed! Go and do something that you really love, or you've always wanted to do!

Scott Peddie: Was it scary when you looked over the edge of the aircraft?

Adrian Nicholas: In the aircraft, no. It's one of the most exciting moments. Actually stepping out of the plane is one of the best bits of all. You feel so safe, that first step is bliss every time.

Ray Sparkes: Why do you risk your life?

Adrian Nicholas: The biggest risk in life is not seizing your chance of living it.

Ben Archer: Why did you jump in the USA rather than the UK?

Adrian Nicholas: 1: Weather. 2: UK airspace is very crowded. Maybe next time.

Andrew Maitland: Hi Adrian that was a great program, I’m 23 and always wanted to chuck myself from a plane but never seeked the opportunity

Adrian Nicholas: If you contact me five times, and if you really want to do it I'll help you. The most important thing is doing something they really want to do. Go to the TalkWales message board and leave your address there.

Liam Guy: Where did you learn to skydive?

Adrian Nicholas: Three static line jumps age 17, in Peterborough. Six years ago, I learnt AFF - restarted sport, because I didn't jump since I was 17. So learned to skydive in America doing AFF.

Bob Roberts: What plans do you have to press on past 34K and to what height next?

Adrian Nicholas: It's a secret. Shh! Don't tell anyone! I've been working on it for three years. Keep your fingers crossed me.

Sally Reardon: Just seen the programme. You must be off your head! The suit seems such a simple idea - why has no-one else thought of it?

Adrian Nicholas: They did. People have tried to fly with wings throughout time. Patric was the first to really make it work.

Robin Lindsay: In one sentence please describe that feeling what it is like to fly!

Adrian Nicholas: In one word: Bliss

Ben Archer: where is your favourite place to jump?

Adrian Nicholas: That's impossible to answer. To train: Sweden or the USA, for opportunity and pleasure I've been lucky. The North Pole, Great Wall of China, Grand Canyon. 30 countries. Actually it is often the cloud formation that excites you most.

Ray Sparkes: Do you ever think about death?

Adrian Nicholas: Yes, I have to all day every day, which means I value and try to seize every moment of my life.

Peter Adrian: I would really like to know can you do spins or rolls ! I know daft Q!

Adrian Nicholas: Everything. You have a flexible fuselage. You can go 300 mph, you can move wherever your imagination takes you. And this is still just the beginning

Jez Attewell: Have just watched the programme. I've skydived, but how did it FEEL?

Adrian Nicholas: Bliss, as I said before

Darren Gray: Adrian, Just seen the program...congratulations on the record. How well did the wing suit hold up in the cold conditions?

Adrian Nicholas: Wingsuit: no problem. I just got a little frostbite on my neck. My fault.

Andrew Maitland: what do you think as you are falling do you think just about the flight or do you ever think things like what’s for dinner?

Adrian Nicholas: It's better than that. The first man to fall stable was Leo Valentin. He died trying wings. In his book he says "Will the day ever come when a man has time to dream in freefall?" Yes - I had time to dream. PS, I'm now training Leo's grandson to fly!

Nick Christian: Adrian, I've never before come across someone who seems to have such passion. Do you ever fear you'll lose it?

Adrian Nicholas: No. Look around you, I'm sure there are people that care about you even more.

Joe Archer: Adrian , that was totally rad......how long did the suit take to develop?

Adrian Nicholas: Patric's first design worked immediately. But it got better and better. Katerina did a fantastic job.

George Stoker: All of my life I have been looking for something , the programme, and yourself has inspired me...

Adrian Nicholas: There's no pleasure like doing something as well as you can.
But sometimes it's even better if you get the chance to do something for someone else while you're making up your mind what you really want to do. There to dream.

Jonny Gush: I Think what you are doing is wonderful - do you think this is the beginning of man learning to fly?

Adrian Nicholas: The research scientists at Onena aerospace research in France tested me and Patric in the wind tunnel. It's official. We really can fly.

Hamish Thomson: Where was the fiord in Norway where you were jumping?

Adrian Nicholas: Lyse fjord.

Mike Balaban: How did you eventually breathe when the breathing apparatus stopped working?

Adrian Nicholas: We are checking, but we think some air was forced out through my tear ducts. Small amounts I managed to get out through the edge of the mask, but I'd done the mask up as tight as I could. Aren't I clever? My mask filled up!

Dusty Rhodes: So now that you've done all the easy stuff - what's next?

Adrian Nicholas: We have a big project to try and use the Da Vinci parachute to encourage a big project in schools around the world linking them to everyone from NASA to Formula 1, museums to universities. History, maths, science, computers, water balloons. And then I come and jump at your schools. We're very excited. Kids are the future. They'll be looking after us.

Charles Collis: Is finance a problem when you pursue something you love so single-mindedly?

Adrian Nicholas: Huge. I've no sponsor. There's always a way. I funded the whole Da Vinci project on my credit card.

Rob Pratt: Adrian, great programme. Given the choice, how would you divide your skydiving between RW, FF and wing-suit?

Adrian Nicholas: I would try to make tandems too, jump with the people most interested in finding out what we can do rather than criticising their friends for what they can't. Whoever they are, however many jumps they have, I just want to fly.

Jez Attewell: Did you ever want to change your mind?

Adrian Nicholas: I'm not sure about what! Make your decisions on the ground.

Mark Gilroy: What is the fastest speed you have attained while freefalling?

Adrian Nicholas: Over 300 mph, we believe, chasing a jet. We can't prove it, but well over 200 mph is normal.

Dave: What does freefalling feel like?

Adrian Nicholas: Bliss! You should try it!

Mike Osborne: Hi How are you? Remember me Mike Osborne (Capital Radio)?

Adrian Nicholas: How could I forget? I can't believe how kind Tarrant and Annie were this morning. I'm really overwhelmed. Best wishes to you all. I had the time of my life at Capital, and think of you all often. Please keep in touch.

Julie Denter: OK, can you answer me this.... you jump out of a plane (mad), with wings (mad), fly about 200mph (mad) head 8 miles in the wrong direction (nuts), you cant breath (scary).....and you want a cup of tea ????

Adrian Nicholas: There really is nothing like a nice cup of tea!

Neil Thorpe: Will wing suits be available, eventually, for any skydivers who want to try it?

Adrian Nicholas: Yes. But it isn't a normal skydive. A bad skydiver will not fly in a wingsuit. A good skydiver can fly without one. But it's great, thank you Patric! Incredible

Geoff Buck: A fantastic program. I really enjoyed watching it. Where is the best place and also the worst place you have jumped?

Adrian Nicholas: Most memorable: Hard to say. North Pole, often it's the company. One of the best has been the most overwhelming, jumping in a tandem on their first jump.

Athol Strachan: Do you have any special dietry requirements to prepare yourself for such extreme circumstances

Adrian Nicholas: Yes, before i ask you to jump, I take everyone to eat sushi, which is perfect. I wanted luxury, so I had two oysters, and had the worst food poisoning of my life. Who's a clever boy, then?

Alastair Chapman: Adrian, Why not use more of a lift surface with your wing suit to get more lift.

Adrian Nicholas: Size of wings is limited by your strength. To go bigger is a hang-glider.

Mark Stewart: I did my AFF level 1 today any top pointers ???

Adrian Nicholas: Breathing. Learn to be impeturbable. When in doubt, breath out. Practise every jump a thousand times in your head while breathing deep and slow. Learn muscle memory, ask lots of questions, go though it in your head again and again and again. Make everything as automatic as a golf swing. Breath out first. This is incredibly important advice. If you have any problems, contact me on the TalkWales message board. Good luck!

Mat Kinn: I want to ask you have you ever had any bad injuries and if so have you found it harder to go skydiving again?

Adrian Nicholas: Yes, while my shoulder was a bit broken, jumping was rather painful. Other people had to open the door. When your ribs are cracked parachute openings aren't much fun. Should have been more careful! I jumped for four days with a broken shoulder. Daft!

Lewis Vorenkamp: I'm 14 now and was wondering if there was an age restriction on skydiving??

Adrian Nicholas: I've jumped with someone as young as five. I suggest that you learn everything about everything. While you're at school learn how to learn. Then you can learn anything once. You must find what you want to study.

John Nunn: I would just like to say 'thanks' to you Adrian for being a positive public figure for our sport...thanks again

Adrian Nicholas: I'm so glad that it came across like that, and so grateful that you took the trouble to tell me. How nice it is to hear. Thank you.

Simon Maltby: I think it was incredibly brave of you to make the decision to pursue your love of skydiving in the first place. You say you parents were very supportive, but did you ever feel pressure to conform and take the job in the city (or wherever)?

Adrian Nicholas: Never a pressure to conform. My lifestyle has taught me a different opinion on death. I've seen so much of the agony, for the people that are left behind. But I know they would find it easier to bear you dying than having never had you live. If one person does something tomorrow, wouldn't that be nice!

Matt Millard: On the base jump, it looked like at first you were very close to the cliff face. was this a calm moment or a deep breath

Adrian Nicholas: I stay close to the cliff while I gain speed. I'm looking back between my feet. It looks beautiful. I'm actually breathing out very slowly. Strange to think you're not looking where you're going.

Danny Bishop: Great, great jump! Been watching attempts on Kittengers record - but he was so high! Do you think it could be done from 100k?

Adrian Nicholas: I have been working towards it for three years. I just need someone to believe me, and to give me some financial help. I'm ready.

Graham Taylor: Does your suit have an airfoil section ..can it stall at High AOA?

Adrian Nicholas: It is a wing shape, and like any flying thing, do it wrong and it stalls. Strange sensation!

Colin Knowles: Hi Adrian, where there any friction effects from jumping at 35k?

Adrian Nicholas: No friction. Small frostbite on my neck.

Tim Skilton: Are you planning to coach wingsuit flight?

Adrian Nicholas: Yes, I'll coach any type of skydiving if the person is safe and sensible.

Andy Cunniffe: I've just court the end of your show i gotta say it was fantastic, when is your next jump?

Adrian Nicholas: Not for a week or two, sadly.

Michael Brandon: The program I have just watched was just sensational, inspirational, I felt more alive just watching. I felt my knees buckle as we looked over the edge of the fjord. How do I get started ?

Adrian Nicholas: Decide what you really really want to do, and work towards it. If you want to skydive, of course I'll help, but only if it's the thing you most most most want to do.

Peter Adrian: Sorry I missed a bit but is ordinary skydiving boring now to you?

Adrian Nicholas: Every type of skydiving and flying is wonderful. I was playing with boomerangs and model aeroplanes yesterday and it was brilliant. I love flying.

Paul Tipping: Since the programme was made how much farther have you got in your quest??

Adrian Nicholas: The Da Vinci project was the last job we did. A real labour of love. There's more to come.

Dan Marchant: Adrian it's great to see Patrick live on - the programme was fantastic - I only wish I could have flown with him myself!

Adrian Nicholas: Thank you. If you want some video of him, get in touch via TalkWales. He was a special guy

Simon George: How did you manage to avoid hypoxia when your oxygen system failed because of the cold ? Were you worried at that point ?

Adrian Nicholas: No. Patric taught me a lot about preparing for high altitude. You must be very calm.

Tony: what do u think of while flying?

Adrian Nicholas: Many things. I feel incredibly alive. It makes me appreciate everything more.

Matt: You mentioned on the programme that you don’t consider yourself brave (although i disagree) how have you taught yourself to overcome fears?

Adrian Nicholas: One: I'm definitely not brave, Two: I know people who are brave, and I know bravery. This isn't just modesty, it's fact. Three: If I kid myself, I'll kill myself. Four: breathing controls heart rate, which keeps your mind able to function. When in doubt, breathe out.

Shimon Cregor: what was the best piece of advice ever given you?

Adrian Nicholas: You can do anything you like if it's really done for love.

David Thompson: Hi Adrian, nice one! Did you look at the possibilities of jumping from a greater altitude, somewhere near Joe's height maybe?

Adrian Nicholas: Most of the time that I'm awake. I've been working on it for three years.

Ruth Clarke: Adrian: how much freefall training did you have to do before being able to fly like that?

Adrian Nicholas: I'm still learning.

Andy Earnshaw: Fantastic achievement! Makes me feel more alive just watching it The record that you set - is that a pure freefall record @ 4m55s ? Or are there higher military ones?

Adrian Nicholas: It's 4 mins 55 secs. Your first sentence couldn't make me happier, and actually, no, nobody has come close. Aren't I lucky!

Geoff Buck: Is base jumping illegal or legal?

Adrian Nicholas: It depends where you are.

Gareth Nicol: Adrian, just watched your programme, FANTASTIC. I am into sailing big style, how do you finance your adventures as this is always the challenge I seem to run up against time and time again ?

Adrian Nicholas: I used to race a 420. The wonderful wonderful sport. Yes it's a terrible problem. There's always a way.

Mike Tuppen: do you have trouble getting insurance?

Adrian Nicholas: Jumping onto the North Pole, I was fully insured as soon as I bailed out of the Jumbo Jet above the ice cap. They refused to insure me while I was in the aeroplane. That was too great a risk. Outside was fine. Isn't that funny?

Beerworld: why jump from a cliff rather than a plane?

Adrian Nicholas: Different sensation. Self launched human flight - bliss.

John Gabriel: Is it worth learning to skydive in the UK or is it better to go somewhere where the weather is more reliable? Any recommendations for locations?

Adrian Nicholas: Yes. Contact me via TalkWales. Good weather, cheaper jumps is easier. I'll give you all the contact you want, in England and abroad. But yes I went abroad.

Danny Bishop: Zimbabwe Skydivers say hi! Blue skies.

Adrian Nicholas: Long Pete in South Africa made everything happen for me. I hope we get to jump together somewhere soon. Thank you. Drink a toast to Patric for me.

Rik Greenland: Any plans to go for the 40,000m record or has Per and co given up?

Adrian Nicholas: I have thought about little else for three years.

Silver Surfer: I love snowboarding, surfing and wakboarding I have often dreamed of riding a board on air, how difficult is it and how much will it cost :)

Adrian Nicholas: You firstly have to learn to skydive. Yes it's different. Only you know if it’s better. I think all these sports are brilliant. Have a great time.

Richard Fornara: Adrian, would you like to see your suit used in a competitive event in its own right?

Adrian Nicholas: If that meant people were therefore having even more fun. But only if. Let's learn to fly before we start inventing rules.

Paul de: Have you considered adding bubbles to the top side of the suit to increase lift (Bernoullis principle)?

Adrian Nicholas: Interesting thought. We're trying all sorts of things. I know we can make it better. Any ideas you have, let me know!

Tarantula Jack: What kind of music do you listen to?

Adrian Nicholas: Pink Floyd is the soundtrack of my imagination. But every type of music from pipes in Bolivia to Gregory Isaacs, flamenco to whatever's coming next.

Nick Christian: Would you ever jump out of a plane to experience something new, if you thought you were putting yourself at risk?

Adrian Nicholas: It might be said there's been an element of risk already. The greatest risk in life is not seizing your opportunity for living it.

Geoff Tothill: Hi Adrian - although part of the UK skydiving community and having heard all about the record I thought the program excellent and an excellent representation of the sheer joy of the sport. Thanks. What are you planning next?

Adrian Nicholas: I can't thank you enough. So happy that you feel like I do. In the next two week a little more Da Vinci, and then more fun!

Colin Alton: You seem incredibly calm all the time. Has there been any moment of real panic/fear during a jump?

Adrian Nicholas: No. Not because I'm brave, because I know I'm not. I train and control my breathing.

Daryl Start: Adrian, beyond skydiving there are many things that you want to do but do not know how to. what else would you like to do, what else do you dream of doing?

Adrian Nicholas: Going into space. Having the courage to sing out loud once in my life. And a thousand other things!

Kevin Richardson: Adrian, yet again you have inspired me - one day when I have learned to freefly I would love to jump with you. Hi to Katarina too.

Adrian Nicholas: You don't need to learn to free fly. It's the people not what we do. I look forward to jumping with you and doing whatever you like.

Viv Offord: Without the special wings you developed how far could you travel horizontally before having to deploy the 'chute?

Adrian Nicholas: I'm not sure. Patric was an incredible tracker. I've been training hard. I want to find out now. Your body is still the main part of the flying machine.

Eddie Mansfield: Adrian, can't think of any questions, but what a brilliant programme - congratulations on your achievement, I admire your determination and bravery. Do you think that you will ever get an opportunity to improve upon your record, and when ?

Adrian Nicholas: Daydream about what you really want to do. Then tell me so I can enjoy it. I don't know, lets try and be all we can be.

Jonny Gush: How do you see this sport evolving?

Adrian Nicholas: Exploding, if we're careful. And work as hard on making it safer and more available to people as well. I can't wait to find out. The sport has been reinvented twice in the last few years. It's incredible.

John Williams: Did you use Advanced maths to calculate the height you needed to go to break the record?

Adrian Nicholas: No. How high can I afford to go? I have no sponsors. We made it work.

Alec Byrne: In your experience, does the mentality to do something like this exist in Britain?

Adrian Nicholas: It exists in everyone. You just have to know where to find it, and make sure the society doesn't become an environment which surpresses it. Great Britain as a country is the great eccentric

Steve Longmoor: Do you use a CYPRES when you do the suit stuff?

Adrian Nicholas: Yes, but it won't work because my vertical speed is so slow. I actually travel faster towards the ground while landing than in freefall with the wings.

Ben Malfroy: Is it better than sex?

Adrian Nicholas: I'm sure it's better than sex with me!

Mike Brand: Do you think that one day, the Ram-air parachute will be a thing of the past & skydivers will be landing wingsuits?

Adrian Nicholas: The ram air parachute is too much fun to go away, and in the wing suit my face would be the first point of contact. One day, but not today...

Richard: Hi Adrian. Great programme! Some of the shots made my stomach turn even tho' I fly Hang gliders and PG. What sort of glide angle do you get and what are the net slots for?

Adrian Nicholas: To allow air to help keep the wings in an aerodynamic state, rather like a ram air parachute. I'd love to learn more about your sports. Don't let it turn your stomachs. I'd rather it made your heart soar

Paul de: Was the original inspiration from Flying Lizards?

Adrian Nicholas: Everything. Who hasn't looked up? Spitfires to sparrows.

BBC Host: Just time for one more question ...

Steve Hammant-Stacey: Hi...thought that the programme was great and that your attitude is inspirational. As someone who has experienced skydiving , my biggest problem was fear...does focus really overcome this to allow such 'bliss'?!

Adrian Nicholas: I guarantee it. Contact me via the TalkWales message board. I'm a bigger chicken that you are. I'll help you overcome it.

BBC Host: That is all we have time for. Here's Adrian with a final word ...

Adrian Nicholas: Thank you so much for contacting me. I'm so thrilled. I promise to reply, but it'll take a couple of days. To spend two minutes a week doing something you've always wanted to do, whether it's learning a language or getting fit. If nothing more, at least two minutes a week, feel really alive, and enjoy right now. I promise to reply if you leave your questions on the TalkWales message board. I'll reply to everything people write to me.


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