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Joe and Jivin' Alan

The future Joe Strummer performs in Newport with The Vultures circa 1973 - photo courtesy of Richard Frame

Last updated: 26 April 2006

Chrissie Wilson says her memories were jogged by Richard Frame's story of punk rock legend Joe Strummer's days in Newport.


I noticed from the photo accompanying the article that Jivin' Alan Jones (above left) is pictured with Joe. Well....I hope you are sitting comfortably, and I'll begin the tale.

Alan was in The Vultures with 'Woody' and was also later a member of Newport band The Mirrors.

The Mirrors was a band put together by Garry Lloyd Thomas on guitar/vocals, who also wrote the songs. Andy Smith was on lead/backing vocals and Trevor Jones on drums. Alan played bass. Garry had been a close friend of 'Woody's back in their Newport days, since he was also at Newport Art College and lived in the Pentonville House. It was also Lloyd Thomas who taught 'Woody' to play guitar.

Back in 1977, the now defunct Melody Maker sent a reporter (I believe it was Steve Sutherland) to discover The Mirrors' phenomenon. The article began... "About 150 miles west of London is the worst place in the world. It is called Newport. But it is home to The Mirrors."

The two page article was a eulogy to the bright, energised, raw yet melodic sound that had been extemporised by the rigors of life in a small Welsh border town: once Victorian and rather posh, but which had been left to deteriorate and decline with the rise of early Thatcheristic policies which saw more than half the town unemployed due to closure of the major employer - the steel industry, and a desolate mind-set that replace the creative energy that once celebrated the landscape, local industry and the arts. The Mirrors were chomping at the bit.

However...not long after the Melody Maker piece ran, some other (hitherto totally unknown) English band loomed. They also called themselves The Mirrors, so when the article appeared this lot immediately renamed themselves The Original Mirrors.

Even though this band didn't sound anything like our boys, and even though The (Welsh) Mirrors had covered a lot of ground, including support slots with The Stranglers, X-Ray Spex, Sham 69, Siouxsie, The Damned, The Jam and a coterie of the top punk bands of the day, including major gigs at The Vortex, The Marquee and The Nashville Rooms, the struggle to maintain their own identity with the young pretenders was fraught with difficulties.

Releasing the seminal single "A Cure For Cancer" jettisoned them into the charts, but, still distanced from the London scene, and having exhausted their own Giro accounts, The (real, original) Mirrors disbanded.

Fast forward...I am working with the Chiefs of Relief, managed by Rusty Egan, at Trident Studios in Soho, London. Chiefs of Relief were fronted by Matthew Ashman (Bow Wow Wow, Adam and The Ants) and Paul Cook (Sex Pistols) on drums. Rusty left, I took over. We toured with Big Audio Dynamite (twice) and our mate, Mick Jones decided to record the follow up to "B.A.D". ("10 Upping Street") at Trident.

One night Mick rang upstairs to my office and called me into the studio. I knew Joe was with him, it had been the buzz of the studio all day, as it was the first time they had been together in a studio, or anywhere else for that matter since The Clash split. Mick and Joe were each working on a mix of a track that would appear on the album and Mick wanted my opinion of the two mixes. I think Steve Osborne was the engineer that night. Anyway, I sat between them at the console and without telling me who had done which they played both versions. I preferred Joe's. Mick was bummed.

An awkward moment perhaps. But because of the nature of this amazing experience (I knew it was a unique, historic occasion) I wanted to share something of my own. Breaking the momentary silence, I turned to Joe and said, "So, Woody...! Tell me. How is Jivin' Al?"

Joe's jaw dropped open and he promptly fell off his chair. Staggering back into his seat he spluttered..."Whaaaat?? How do you know Jivin' Al??"

As I explained my connection to Garry, Alan and The Mirrors, Joe, still kinda shocked, spluttered..."Garry Thomas is a genius. He's the most creative, amazing person I know, he taught me so much...".and stuff like that. At this point I could sense Mick was feeling a bit peeved (I had, after all, dissed his mix AND he was paying for the studio time) so I got up to leave with Joe's parting shot in my ears: "If you see them, give them my best."

The last time I saw Joe was on top of a mountain in San Bernardino, California, 1992. Rat Scabies (another old friend) was there too, and I admit it was a little incongruous to see these stalwarts of the '70s punk scene pushing prams and talking about their projects for Disney. Anyhoo, it was a big shindig with The Chemical Brothers, Underworld and Orbital, Meat Beat Manifesto, and a slew of the new great Brit hopes for the '90s. It was Snow Summit and it was a fantastic US introduction to the next wave of great (albeit electronically orientated) music groundbreakers.

Chrissie Wilson works for Bread & Buddah Music & Media in Venice, California


  • Read Richard Frame's article
  • Vultures roadie Peter Haywood remembers Joe
  • Joe Strummer Obituary - 22 December 2002

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  • your comments

    Jim Wood, Clacton, Essex
    I knew Woody and Alan Jones back in Newport. Woody used to come round and listen to my band play. The band was called Albert (I used to play bass) - think it was round about 1973/4. I also shared a room with Alan in Caerleon Road, Newport in 1975/76.

    Andy Smith from Cardiff
    Yeah brings back a few momories. I lived in the front bedroom in Pentonville where Garry taught me guitar. He asked me to join the mirrors - because I had nice eyes. I see Alan from time to time and just got back in tough with Sib, who was our roadie in them days - and so much more. I was head hunted at a Sham gig by Mal Grey, who apparently was well known as the singer with The Wild Angels (?) and also by Tom McGuiness and Pete Gage, Elkie Brooks' hubby and guitarist with Vinegar Joe. I played for 2 years in a band called Battersea based in Clapham. We had a few singles but I thought we were too radio friendly. I still play every day and do open mike nights at The Toucan Club in Cardiff. If Chrissie gets in touch let me know. It would be good to catch up. I also spent many evenings with Chris Marsh, listening to his experimental music for hours and hours and...

    Chris Marsh - Newport
    I was a friend of Garry Lloyd Thomas and often stayed at the house in Pentonville. I awoke one morning and was congratulated on having beaten Joe Strummer at Monopoly. I remember the congratulations but not, unfortunately, the game.

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