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Memories of Rhos and Rosemarie Frankland

Thomas Jones

Last updated: 27 April 2009

Thomas Jones, now living in Germany, shares his memories of growing up in Rhosllanerchrugog and meeting the then Miss World, Rosemarie Frankland.

The Gornel
Before I tell you about meeting Rosemarie Frankland, I would like to set the scene by telling you about 'The Gornel', the part of Rhosllanerchrugog where I grew up.

Translated into English the Gornel means 'The Corner' in other words the corner of the village. After reading Derek Rogers' article, and I know him very well, I would go one step further and say that the Gornel, as Derek says, that was bounded by Hall St and Mountain St was in fact an area of Rhos that was unique to the rest of the village. There were no other nick-names given to other parts of the village that I knew of. I would say that the Gornel covered an area that started from The Sun Inn going along Hall Street to the Gerddi. Then along the Gerddi across Campbell and through Entry Tunnah to High Street to where the old Eagles pub used to be. Then left along High Street to where I would then go left down Mountain Street. Then I would take a right down Pentre Dwr down to Maesenion. At this point I would turn left along Maesenion to Gornel bridge 'that is no more' and I would then turn left along Hall Street back to the Sun Inn. That is my memory of the Gornel with Mountain Street running through the middle.

The Gornel kids
In the Gornel there were two gangs, the Austin gang which lived in Mountain Street and the Maesenion gang on the outskirts of the Gornel on the Llwynenion side. This was my area. The Austin gang had two senior figures, David Austin, and his older brother Gwilym. Then there were the younger ones. Arwel Morris, Tony Fields and Glyn Austin. The Maesenion gang had also senior figures, brothers Cyril and David Evans. The younger ones being myself Tom Jones, Brian Davies, John 'Goodrick' Jones, and Roger 'I'll be guard' Ford-Little.

Other kids from the Gornel who were never actually regarded as gang members but were often seen with us were the brothers Allen and Graham 'Twisty' Jones, Selwyn 'Balla' Hughes, Terry and brother Malcolm 'Mokey' Jones, David 'Anthrax' Jones, my brothers David 'Pen Coch' Jones and Derwyn Jones, then there was Eifion 'Pentre Dwr' Jones.

The two gangs were never rivals and never had fights and would often spend a lot of time together. We were just mischievous kids, but ones who never lost respect for our elders. One never passed anyone by without saying hello. The only rivalry came on Bonfire night on the fifth of November when there was always a challenge to see who could build the biggest bonfire. We sometimes ran raids on the Bryn-y-Brain gang's bonfire and sometimes managed to set it alight before Nov 5th. And then we would have to stand guard to prevent them attacking ours. This would be the time when serious fighting would sometimes take place.

Then there were other Gornel kids like Derek Rogers, David Charles and Tudor Jones, who is the conductor of Rhos Male Voice Choir, who never ran with us and was looked upon as being the Intellectual of the Gornel kids. There was also a family that lived next door to Fanny Green [grandmother of Rosemarie Frankland] and they were the Morrises, their nickname being the 'Berks or Burks'. But that is another interesting story.

My learning of the Franklands
'I was born in Rhos', we would say but probably we were all born either in Wrexham Hospital or like myself in Trevalyn Hospital in Rossett. If we went further afield, like say Liverpool, we would say that we were born in Wrexham as none would have heard of Rhos. I was 14 years of age when Rosemarie won the Miss World contest and I must honestly say that I don't remember her growing up in the Gornel. I was also not aware of the name Frankland until the day I was called into the home of Fanny Green. In those days people would pass hand-me-downs from family to family and this was sometimes done by giving a parcel to a member of a family to pass on to the mother. So if a coat or a jumper got too small for you, you would find it missing only for it to show up again on someone else's back a few days later. It was an accepted thing and no one got any ribbing or flack for it.

On this day as I was passing Fanny Green's cottage, I heard a knock on her window, and as I turned, the door was already opening and there stood Fanny in her familiar apron dress beckoning me to go to her. She asked me in and told me that she had something that I should give to my mother, it was a parcel. As I was in her house I noticed a gathering of people in her front room and sitting on the couch was this beautiful girl. She looked at me and I looked back at her, she was stunning. As I left the house, with Fanny giving me strict instructions to go straight home, I couldn't wait to tell my mother about the girl that I had just seen.

I got to the house and gave the parcel to my mother and told her of this good looking girl in Fanny's. She asked me 'Don't you know who that is?' I said no, she said 'Why that's Rosemarie Frankland'. I asked, 'Rosemarie who?' and she then explained to me who she was by telling me of her having won Miss Wales and Miss Universe and so on. This left me confused as she looked far too young to have won all those titles.

Anyway, I then went walking up and down Mountain Street in the hope that I would run into this beautiful girl. I didn't have to wait long for as I was turning the bend, for maybe the sixth time, by the Sun Inn, I came face to face with her and I said hello. She said hello back and added 'You were at my grandmother's house earlier, your name is Tom'. I said yes and you are Rosemarie. She laughed and said 'No that's my sister, I'm Sheilah'. I thought she looked too young to be a Beauty Queen. Anyway, from there on whenever she visited Rhos we dated. Nothing serious just the little kiss and cuddle and walks with my dog, honest! Whenever she visited Rhos it was mostly on her own. I suppose it was due to her mother having to run around with Rosemarie.

Then came the day when Rosemarie was a contestant in the Miss World contest. Sheilah had asked me if I would like to watch it on the TV in Fanny's. I turned it down as I was a little afraid of her grandmother as she was a strong looking woman and I didn't want to upset her in any way. I saw Rosemarie win Miss World and thought how wonderful she looked. Derek is right there was no other better looking than Rosemarie on that night, and I have never watched a Miss World contest since. I didn't get to see Shielah very much in the next few weeks that followed, as you could immagine, but we did see each other whenever she was in Rhos.

Miss World in my house, and that phone call
When Rosemarie visited Rhos as Derek said it was amazing to see so many people there just waiting outside Fanny's house. I was with the rest of the boys standing inside the small garden in the house directly across the road which belonged to a really nice Indian woman whose name was Gwen. She was also there with her daughter, Judith. I remember Rosemarie as she came out of the door and she had to duck down a little as the door to the cottage was low and she had this backcombed hair that was a normal hair style of the time. In the days she stayed in Rhos the village was buzzing and many of us wore down shoe leather just walking past Fanny's.

Then one day I was not feeling too good and went to bed early. I was deep in sleep when my mother entered my bedroom to wake me up and tell me that I should come down stairs as there was someone who wanted to see me. I wasn't in the mood to get up but when my mother said that it was a woman, I thought instantly of Sheilah whom I had not seen for a while. I slipped something presentable on and hurried down stairs only to stop half way and go into this slow-type funeral walk the rest of the way to the bottom of the stairs, because at the bottom waiting for me was a beautiful woman. As I got to the bottom tread this woman said to me 'Hello Tom, I'm Rosemarie I believe you are going out with my sister'. She then gently got hold of my face and gave me a kiss on the cheek. My knees were knocking. My mother asked her if she would like a cup of tea and she said that she would love one.

Thomas in his suit The next thing I remember was that Rosemarie and I were sitting in the living room. We must have talked about fashion because she asked me to show her my new suit that my mother had bought me. I rushed up stairs got dressed and came down with it on. Rosemarie looked me up and down and told me how handsome I was. I can't remember much about what happened next only that there was a knock on the door and a very good looking blond man came in and whispered something to Rosemarie.

Then Rosemarie kissed me once more on the cheek and said that she must go and hoped to see me again. My mother told me that she would be going with them. I watched them go down the long path to the road and together with my mother they drove away in a red sports car.

The next morning at breakfast my mother told me of the phone call from Bob Hope. I am not sure if Rosemarie was told of the call in our house when the guy came in or whether she first went home to Fanny's and then got the call. But the call did happen, that I am sure of. After Rosemarie left my home I never saw her in person again. The next time I saw her was in the Beatles film 'A Hard Day's Night'. As for Sheilah, we met only a couple of times after that before learning that she had got married to her next door neighbour who was a policeman.

As for Bob Hope I heard that it was written in a contract that all Miss Worlds were to meet Bobby boy, I don't know how true that was, maybe someone out there has more info on that.

So, to quote a Bob Hope song to Rosemarie, I say 'Thanks for the Memories'.


your comments

Bruni Nolan, Manchester
Does anybody remember a Pretoria house in Rhos? My relative lived there in 1921. Probably knocked down now, but just wondered if any one remembered it.
Mon Apr 27 09:11:41 2009

Tom Jones (Thomas )
To Marion. How nice to read your mail and thank you for reminding me of the little things that had slipped my mind like raiding the Coppi for the little bricks to play hopscotch. I do remember your family but please excuse me for not being able to remember you personally. I have been away from Rhos for sixteen years and before then I had spent time working overseas spending a lot of time away, so this old head of mine has gone into semi forgetfulness. If you you would like to contact me you can do so by visiting my private homepage www.bike-talk.de which has a link back to this page.
Mon Apr 6 10:21:06 2009

Thomas Jones, Hamburg
Hi to Marion Jan 27th. This is my second try at answering your mail. I do remember the Llawchwith family, but I just can't put any faces to the name, sorry. You have brought back some nice memories in what you wrote. I hope one day when I get home to visit, that I can somehow "through the BBC website" arrange a get-together, that would be nice.
Mon Apr 6 09:30:02 2009

Sue Cole Roberts, Wrexham
Born in the mid 50s in Cemetery Road. I remember going to the Stiwt to see the Applejacks and the Honeycombes and I am sure that the person introducing was a young Jimmy Saville, I remember he had tartan coloured hair! Summers in Rhos were great, I remember the old railway station on the 'bonc, picnics on the old legacy hall ground where there was a wishing well with inscription and being a member of the 'tennis club' on Ponciau Banks. I also remember going to the Hafod Club where every Wednesday (or every other) there was a dance costing 2/6- that was for entry and a packet of crisps and a bottle of Coke - your hand was stamped to allow re-entry. My best memories were of picking winberries up on Rhos mountains with my brothers and sister. My primary school was Wern School with Mr Charlton, Mrs Hughes (standard 1), Mrs Hughes (standard 2), Mr Dodd, Miss Taylor, Mrs Gosling, Miss Davies. I remember doing plays in the Stiwt and singing with 'Tampa' on stage. A great place to grow up in!
Mon Mar 2 10:23:43 2009

Marion originally from Rhos
My nephew told me about this website and I am so glad he did. It didn't half bring back memories. Tom - I remember you very well. I don't know if you remember me. I used to live behind the Eagles and went to Grango School around the same time as you. My family's nickname was Llawchwith. I used to hang around the Gornel with my friend Sarah. We played a lot around the bridge and used to go to the Coppie for the little bricks so that we could play hopscotch. I also used to hang around with the Jarvis family in Butcher Street. I remember Des Lloyd and his brother Keith. Keith was good at sport and I remember him trying to teach us how to pole vault on the piece of waste ground in front of the Ambulance Centre in Butcher Street. I also remember Rosemarie Franklyn. I caught sight of her as she walked past our house down Tunnah's Entry shortly after she won the Miss World Title. Happy days.
Tue Jan 27 08:59:46 2009

Mark, Johnstown
Thomas Tom are you Thomas Hamburg? I used to work in the joiner shop in Alsamex with you (I think) and Graham
Mon Jan 26 08:28:35 2009

Delwyn Davies, Johnstown
I grew up in Rhos. I lived in Campbell Street. It was good to hear some of the old names and brings back memories of how it was, thank you.
Mon Jan 5 10:07:28 2009

Thomas
To Sharron Wren from Australia. Thank you Sharron for your kind words, in fact I have written a little book about happenings in Rhos but it costs money to get it published. So what I have planned to do is make it available to my family as a reference. Thomas "Tom" Jones.
Fri Aug 1 09:24:34 2008

Annie (nee Adams) Isle of Man
Oh how homesick I feel! My Mam & Dad had Rosemarie's double bed. No idea how or why they were given it but it was a large springy thing (that my brother and I used to jump on!). My great Nain & Taid (Jones) owned the general stores in Australia Lane, Ponciau (no 17). I was born next door and I still have a photo of them with 'Dirty Mary Ann' standing outside. My Naini (Annie Downes) was a seamstress and made trousers for the young lads out of their dads' old coats and I will always remember being first to get a pair of hotpants (bright green!). We'd go to the Beast Market on a Monday buy some cloth and she could make anything my cousins and I asked for & the day out wasn't complete without going to Marubbi's for a meat pie (gosh no pie has ever tasted so good wish I knew the recipe!) & a hot Vimto. My Taid (Sam Downes) was famous for his 'bible', an encyclopedia that would answer all questions in the pub. After living in the Rhos (& my Taid dying at 59 of 'coal miner's disease') My Naini went to live in Afoneitha. I loved going to the Wheelwright Arms for a jug of cider for her! My Mam married a well known Wrexham lad, Les 'Kid Basham' Adams who was a drummer who backed one of Rhos's Male Voice Choirs on an LP - can't remember which one now - amongst a stack of other things he had done. And does anyone else remember all the big bands in the 'Stiwt'? Must stop rambling now...think I'll just have to take a look at the other bits on this site and day dream by myself!
Thu May 22 09:41:46 2008

Shaaron Wren from Australia
Thomas, have you ever thought of writing a book about your childhood village - just what you have written here was so interesting. I too thought that Rosemarie was the most beautiful girl I'd ever seen (I was born in England and about 18 when she was crowned Miss World) and actually still think so. Thanks again for making your story of Rosemarie Frankland so interesting.
Fri May 9 10:11:36 2008

Dafydd (Dave) Edwards
Interesting to read of Rosemarie Frankland's grandma being called Green. My great great grandfather Edward Edwards lived in Mountain Street and his son, Charles Henry, married Hannah Green of Roberts Lane, Moreton Above. Probably too much to hope for, but I wonder if they were related to Fanny Green of Mountain street? Was Green a common name in Rhos?
Thu Dec 6 08:17:46 2007

Des Lloyd, Butcher Street (Penrhos)
How's things Tom. Nice to hear from you. Do you remember the kids from Butcher Street and at the back of the Ambulance centre? There was my brother Keith, Alan "Colley" Davies, Tony Jarvis and his sisters to name just a few. P.S. We had the best bonfires. See you for a pint next time you're home.
Wed Nov 21 15:44:15 2007

Chris
Tom, it was good reading the story about the gangs in the gornel, and knowing most of them! David "Anthrax" is a Williams, he's my Uncle. I'm his brother Barrie's lad. Still drinking with Sel Bala and son Simon. Good to see you keeping in touch with us "Jackos"!
Fri Dec 1 15:07:46 2006

Tracey Prydderch
Loved the story of your childhood "dad" and you meeting Rosemarie Frankland. Maybe one day I will follow in your footsteps and write about my life growing up in the village of Rhos.
Thu Oct 26 09:17:38 2006

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