your comments
Saffie, Coedpoeth
I walk in the grounds just before dark sometimes, and I can still feel the past in the present; great horses pulling grand coaches with fairly important people of the day, the sun setting behind Minera mountain, the same sights that they saw too.
Mon Jun 15 08:14:19 2009
Neil Bancroft, Wrexham
We moved to Wrexham about 1961 when my late father became manager of Palmer Bros Footwear, we lived in Hightown at Stuart Way not far from Erddig. We used to walk around the estate frequently both as a group of children or sometimes with our parents. I remember the squire on his penny farthing. I also remember watching him load an old cooker onto the roof of a car, he had purchased the cooker from the Seth Hughes sale rooms then by Brook St. We still live in Wrexham and visit Erddig probably once a fortnight at least, sometimes just to walk in the gardens or the estate and have a meal in the excellent cafe there.
Mon May 18 09:35:26 2009
Gordon, Newbury
I remember watching Squire York ride around Erddig's paths on his penny-farthing 50 years ago. We used to laugh from the safety of the woods, but we stopped laughing when he found us swinging on a rope from a tree, and threatened us with his shotgun!
Mon May 11 09:10:30 2009
Colin, Wrexham
My Nain was in service at Eddig as a young girl in the early 1920s. So the story goes that not long after she started a cook left and she was required to take over her duties - she'd had no training and found her new duties a struggle - she was a stubborn sort and as she no longer enjoyed her job quickly found work elsewhere and quit. One story she did tell me was of a room in the house that the staff thought was haunted and she and some of the others where scared to go in - she was often required to go in and close the windows but refused to go alone so her and other maids would go in hand-in-hand to do it together. I wish she was still around to tell me more (or I'd listened more as a kid!) but she died in '91.
Fri Apr 24 08:29:32 2009
Christine Madsen
For Mary B Oulellette, Polson, Montana, USA. Your mention of sheep took me back to the 1960s. Philip Yorke used to allow his sheep to wander in and out of the library! He had a big banner across the fire place saying "up the Reds". My then boyfriend, Mike, who was a vicar in later years, used to take me there. He would have great memories of the place. If you are out there Mike, please tell your memories.
Mon Dec 1 08:27:46 2008
Barrie Davies, Hull
My mother, Harriot Ene May Davies, was in service at Erddig Hall between 1925 and 1930, she passed away on the 18th January, 2007, in her 101st year. Undoubtedly if the questions on this blog were put to her she would have answered the majority of questions asked, if not all, because she was of full mind until her sad passing away. Prior to her death I believe she was the oldest living person to have been in service for the Yorke family. She commenced employment at the Hall as a housemaid and graduated to head housemaid during the time she was there. She often spoke of Mrs Yorke, Philip and Simon's mother, and what a lovely lady she was. While my mother worked there she lived in for part of the time and slept in the servants' bedrooms on the second floor. Her grandchildren were always delighted and amazed when they visited her to be taken around the Hall by her when she used to show them the bed that she used to sleep on and how she looked after Royalty and other dignitaries that visited. Her home during the time of service was with her family in the Ffrwd and she walk home on her days off and walk back (can we imagine that happening today?). I was born and lived in Hightown during all of my youth with my mother and father until work moved me on at the age of 18, but I will always remember Philip Yorke riding his Penny Farthing bike and that was not an unusual occasion. I also remember Simon attending services at St John's church, that is sadly no longer there, when he would arrive in his van, his battered old Bedford and then he would call at our house for some of my mother's home made apple tart. My upbringing was a matter of exploring and walking through the estate and enjoying every minute of it, the landscape, the beauty and the tranquility, not to mention the adventure. I have visited the area many times since leaving and despite the early National Trust "Sell Offs" there remains that permanent beauty, it would be a travesty if the NT sold more of the land for development and I trust that any application for further development will be vigorously opposed. Just let people enjoy what Erddig is, just a beautiful place.
Thu Oct 23 10:11:57 2008
Chris Madsen
For Patricia Leng. Was your uncle the organist in Rhosymedre church in the 1980s? We went(my husband and my children and I) with Vicar John Davies (now Bishop of St Asaph) to Dyffryn Ardudwy with the church for a week's camping and Mr C Barber provided the main tents. They were from the boy scouts. Mr Barber was a really good organist and a lovely man!
Fri Sep 12 08:34:46 2008
Stuart Thomas
As a young lad in the mid 50s I was summoned into Erddig Hall and told by Simon York not to fly my model aircraft on the estate.
Mon Sep 1 09:17:47 2008
David from Chesterfield
This is an update of an earlier note! I would welcome any suggestions concerning how I could trace records of Joseph Walker, who was a groundsman at Erddig Hall, & Harry Shaw, who was at Plas Power. Two shots in the dark, but any help much appreciated. Also, are there any records of evacuees who stayed with the Rodens in Poyser Street in WW2?
Mon Jan 21 09:33:23 2008
Patricia Leng nee Barber.
My father, Eddie Barber of the upholstery firm, J.E. Barber & Sons, often talked with Philip Yorke after the evening service on Sundays at Wrexham Parish Church. Conversation frequently revolved around antique funiture, a favourite subject to both of them. Also discussed was Scouting (my father was the District Commissioner for Denbighshire). I remember Phillip as a kind, gentle man.
Mon Nov 19 08:22:21 2007
Keith Pitchford, Warrington
My great grandad left the army in 1875 and elderly uncle his grandson says he worked as a gardner at Erddig for a time. This part of his life is unknown to us. His name was Joseph Price and he was born in Ireland, joined the army and left in 1875 but he then appears in 1881 at Hightown barracks, Wrexham, as a barrack sergant. Anybody any info on this? Would be very grateful.
Mon Nov 12 10:14:49 2007
Chris Madsen
I used to visit Erddig Hall in the 1960s with my then boyfriend who shall be nameless. He put burglar alarms in and was a friend of Philip and his housekeeper Miss Lloyd. The alarms were battery operated as there was no electricity in the hall, the fire service used to practice on the hall putting their long ladders up and climbing up to the roof. Philip yorke was friendly with actors as has been mentioned and often had a Mr Hayhoe staying there who would recite his lines whilst walking in the orchard. Margaret Middleton of Chirk Castle was a frequent visitor. Philip Yorke was a very charming man and greeted me so nicely that he made me feel special. He was a credit to his upbringing. I remember his dogs Mick and Rory and I think there was a third but can't be sure. Miss Lloyd was a lovely friendly person too, she kept the kitchen clean and his study, bathroom and his bedroom and, of course, her own and visitors' rooms but the rest of the hall was covered in dust. I went all over it, even the attics and climbed out on to the roof. What a view! Happy days!
Fri Oct 12 08:55:08 2007
Nick, Web Team
Of the 600,000 votes cast for UKTV's 'Britain's Best' TV programme in September 2007, Erddig Hall received 12,000 votes making it eighth in the poll behind Stonehenge, HMS Victory, Liverpool Cathedral, Tamworth Castle, Lincoln Castle, Hadrian's Wall and York Minster. What makes it so popular?
Tue Sep 18 15:07:14 2007
James Connor, Ellesmere
When I first went through the gates of the hall into the garden the large fountain wasn't filled with water, it was filled with weeds. The organised section of lawns, paths and flower beds were long gone, just brambles and nettles. The house walls were crumbling, large cracks that you could put your hand in. Windows mostly were boarded up but it was a magical place and still is.
Mon Sep 10 14:40:12 2007
Tara
Teresa in Norfolk I will find out for you off a friend of mine, he's been born and bred next to this place so he will know.
Thu Jul 12 09:38:28 2007
Teresa, Norfolk.
Tara in Rhostyllen. Thanks for the information, I have tried to look at the farm world site but it is now closed. I would like to know why it was called Anna Bonnet, who was she and did it belong to the Yorke family or was it just built on their grounds? My mother lived in this cottage in the early 1960s. If you or anyone have any ideas on how I go about researching this I would be grateful.
Tue Jul 3 09:52:28 2007
Tara from Rhostyllen
Teresa from Norfolk - having asked around about Anna Bonnet, the cottage is the one standing in the field of Farm World. I asked one of the farmers who live in that area and I'm quite sure it is right as he's in his 70s and has lots of knowledge of the area.
Fri Jun 29 08:58:00 2007
Ruabon
Teresa, Norfolk, yes I know of Anna.
Thu Jun 28 10:45:01 2007
Tara from Rhostyllen
Teresa in Norfolk asked about a cottage on the estate called Anna Bonnet. Well, I know there is a pond as I knew called Anna Bonnet. Maybe the cottage was once built by there. Anyway, this pond is just futher down the road from Manor farm right next to the road - perhaps this may be of some help for you.
Fri Jun 22 07:31:25 2007
Tara from Rhostyllen
I remember as a little girl visiting the hall with my parents on a few occasions and old Mr Yorke took my hand and gave us all a guided tour of his home and always made a fuss of me when he saw us in the village when he came for some shopping on his penny farthing, and he loved to see people enjoying his lovely countryside. I wonder what he would think now if he could see what is left of his estate he left for the people to enjoy, when the National Trust have demolished some of the smallholdings that used to be part of the estate and whatever farmland they can sell they have or are in process of doing. Farms they can get away with to do barn conversions and by them trying to build 222 houses on 20 acres of his land. And I bet he would wonder why there are no horses to be seen on his land either cause he loved horses but unfortunately the National Trust don't like horses that much and they used to be a big part of the squire's life in the good old days.
Fri Jun 22 07:30:13 2007
Tom Adams, Brighton
I was a member of the Wrexham sea cadets in the 70s. We camped at Erddig at weekends. The lake was cleared by us and we had rowing practice on it in a naval whaler. We won the area regatta through this practice. Squire York somtimes played tunes to us on a saw in the evenings.
Wed May 9 12:39:16 2007
Teresa, Norfolk
I wonder if anyone has heard of a cottage on the grounds of Erddig. It was apparently called Ann y Bonnet or Anna Bonnet? My mother lived in this cottage in the days of Phillip Yorke. I have visited Erddig and asked about this but unfortunately no one knew. Can anyone help?
Tue Apr 10 08:45:36 2007
Ian Rowley, Burntwood
I met Philip Yorke when fishing the Clwyedog one day down Sontley. He gave me some hints on how to fish the river. The National Trust look after a wonderful piece of Welsh countryside and I now take my children on walks when I visit Wrexham. Just a shame part of the Erddig Estate had to be sold for housing after Yorke's death.
Mon Mar 19 09:17:38 2007
Mary B. Ouellette Polson, Montana, USA
My husband and I visited beautiful Erddig Hall when visitng a friend in Wales. We were in awe of the fine old hall and all of the history and memories of families who had occupied it. My husband was especially enchanted by the espalliered trees in the garden as we had never seen anything so clever. I remember our host telling us a story of how as a boy his father had come to the hall to visit the last Squire York. He said the old gentleman loved his sheep and there they were in the entry way spilling out onto the porch as if they were pets! What a lovely man he must have been!
Mon Mar 19 08:26:24 2007
Cherri Copley Mott, Dallas
I understand that Phillip Yorke, who wrote, "The 12 Tribes of Wales" did a sketch of Authur Blayney which is in the book itself. It was an acclaimed sketch. Is there any website where I could log in a view the sketch. My reason for asking is that I am currently researching a painting that he could very well have painted for, his cousin I believe, the 3rd Earl of Hardwicke of the 3rd Earl's 3 first born children. If you have any information please advise.
Fri Mar 16 09:40:34 2007
Carrie, Wrecsam
I was wondering if anyone can help me. I am searching for a document that was displayed at Erddig Hall for years. It was a signed document by the Squire Yorke stating that all property on the land must be retained for local use. Could anyone tell me if this document was a will or part of negotiations with the National Trust? Also if anyone knows where i could obtain a copy it would be much appreciated.
Diolch yn fawr iawn.
Tue Feb 20 11:11:37 2007
J Phillips, Wrexham
I remember some time either late 70s or early 80s, travelling with a friend Jason Samuals down to Erddig. Around the age of 10 we had travelled what we thought a great distance "from the Gwenfro" to find my dad working on the flood defence alterations at Erddig. He was one of the bricklayers that built the wall and other alterations around the estate as you see it today. At the time it was a red hot day and we took a shower under the fall before being sent on our way for being a pain in the butt. He left his initials RKP in the wall which he had chipped away at during break times, at the exit of the fall. They also rebuilt the Sontley Rd gates and I remember him saying what a struggle it was lifting the coping stones on the top of the pillars. My father sadley passed away at the age of 44 and I often visit the fall with my children when out with the dogs. Very fond memories.
Mon Jan 15 09:14:29 2007
Dorothy Ingham, Llandyrnog.
My aunties. Maggie Roberts and Marion Roberts were both servants at Erddig Hall in the 30s, I think. One was housekeeper and the other cook. When I was about 10 years old I was admitted to the Isolation ward in Wrexham Hospital with diptheria. I remember my father bringing me a big juicy pear which he said had come from the gardens of Erddig. My sister and I spent many hours playing there when we were children.
Mon Oct 30 09:52:15 2006
David from Chesterfield
I have a feeling my uncle, Harry Shaw, was a gardener at Erddig Hall in the 1940s. Are there any records where I could check this out? Also, my cousin tells me some of our ancestors - surname Griffiths - worked there many years ago. Again, any records where I could follow this up?
All help would be appreciated.
Tue Aug 1 11:57:11 2006
Paul O'Sullivan from Vron
I can remember as a young lad going to Erddig every weekend to do the odd jobs for the squire, he would have us taking the horse and cart to the river to dig for gravel which we then had to use for filling the potholes on the main driveway. Looking back we were never going to complete this job it was endless. On another occasion I came home from school to find Squire Yorke drinking tea in our front room waiting for me to go and gather the cut grass from outside the front of the hall using a decrepit horse drawn rake. He was a wonderful gentleman but the butler, heigh ho as we knew him, was another story, he would appear from absolutely nowhere and frighten the living daylights out of us.
Wed Jul 26 16:05:46 2006
Alice, Jenny and Thelma
We visited Erddig in July 2006 and we thoroughly enjoyed ourselves. We sat in the gardens and it was really hot. It was our first visit even though we're from Wrexham (except for Jenny!). It brought back memories of childhood picnics by the 'Cup and Saucer' for Thelma.
Wed Jul 26 11:59:20 2006
Eveline Shore, Stoke on Trent
It was in the summer of 1978 that I visited Erddig. I was looking forward to meeting Philip Yorke who had stayed at my small boarding house when he had finally handed Erddig over to the National Trust. Sadly I received the sad news from his solicitor telling me Philip had passed away in church. What interested me most was viewing the video of the Prince of Wales opening the estate, Philip sitting proudly by his side. He was such a humble gentleman and loved erddig. Erddig is a most excellent place to visit, especially the 'museum' and how the servants must have enjoyed having their portraits painted by the old squire and what a delight are those old fashioned kitchens.
Mon Jul 10 10:57:40 2006
Mary Fleet, Gwersyllt, Wrexham
It was lovely to see a historical place that has not been touched, with all the original features inside and out. It was emotional to see the photos of the hard working staff who dedicated their working life for the hall. Outside it was a beauty to see how the grounds have been kept. It is a place I am certain to return to, such a beautiful untouched place, where I will be bringing the younger members of my family to visit so they can realise how, in that century, what hard work was all about, also to realise how easy life is today with technology.
Mon Jul 3 10:38:42 2006
Ruth Marshall
I am the daughter of Carl Morris of Wrexham and never realised his home held such an established connection. The ancestral hall is beautiful.
Wed Mar 15 20:37:02 2006
Ron from Deeside
I remember visiting Erddig in the 60's to plan and attend a scout camp in the grounds of Erddig which Squire Yorke let us hold. On the first visit we were invited into the house, where the Squire was living in just acouple of rooms. He showed us over the big garden which was completely overgrown and, pointing into the distance said 'I believe there is a pond or something out there'. This of course is the lake which can now be seen. When it was time to leave Squire York saw us out and explained the reason for the cannon outside the front door 'If any of the Coal Board ever drive up I will be ready' he told us and I believe he would too. Both the Yorkes were very generous to the Scout movement and I have very happy memories of our meetings.
Thu Jan 5 17:20:14 2006
Andrew Jones, Wrexham
As one of three brothers who lived within 15 minutes walk of Erddig park, we used to spend countless hours within Erddig park. As a child in the very early 70s I can recall that the Ornate Wrought Iron gates that are now situated at the rear of the main house, were in fact in a derelict state on Erddig Road. Just past them on the right hand side heading down the hill was an Estate Lodge, I recall that it was a the same design as the Lodges on the other main entrances to the estate. Unfortunately this particular building was in a very bad state of repair and was demolished sometime during the 1970s. As you reach the bottom of the hill from Erddig road, the woods to the left have a glorious display of bluebells. Crossing over the first stone bridge leading towards the main house, if you look to the left there is a small oddly shaped hill within the Estate fencing - this apparently is the remains of the Norman Motte and Bailey castle that was constructed shortly after the Norman Conquest. Carrying on you cross yet another stone bridge and then you come across a gated driveway that leads towards the main house. This driveway and the house itself was used in the remake of the Film 'How Green was my Valley' in 1979. A few yards further on is a rather intriguing feature of Erddig - the 'Cup and Saucer' which is from what I gather part of the pumping system that raises water to the main pool withing the garden of the hall. I can remember being scared out of my wits as a child by the 'thump, thump, thump' of the pump which was still working at the time (I hope it still is), thinking it was a ghost trying to get out. There is a second pump near to the weir on the river - again I haven't been down there for years, but the last time I saw it, the pump wasn't in a working condition and the pump room was flooded. Heading past the 'Cup and Saucer' you climb a hill towards the Dovecote (situated on the right hand side of the hill is a small copse of trees within a metal fence. These trees are raised on some sort of bank - which is in fact the 'Ice house' where the estate used to store blocks of ice from what I can gather. Again as a child I explored this 'Ice House' since you could if you were small enough to fit in through the trap door in its roof, I suspect that the people who were sent to get the ice out were children, since the 'door' wasn't very big. Just past the Dovecote was a bungalow, long since demolished (I believe that they now park coaches on the area it used to occupy). The lure of the estate lay for us lads, in the orchard, which was filled with apple trees and pear trees. I met Phillip Yorke a few times whilst wandering through the orchard and recall that he was a kindly old man, who seemed quite happy that we were enjoying his estate. Happy times indeed.
Wed Jan 4 19:44:19 2006
Deborah Yorke, Melbourne,Australia
My married name is Clowes now, but after reading all about poor Simon and Phillip Yorke I KNOW we are related!! Not only has my mother traced us back to them, but all the Yorkes in my family history were all eccentric!! Yes including myself I suppose. We all can be very crazy and do unusual things at times, but we all enjoy our time on our own!! My son has recently been diagnosed with High Functioning Austism / Asthbergers, maybe it's in the blood to be slightly different. My sister visited Erddig last year and said she felt like she was in our parents house - antiques, junk and in need of rennovation, but funny enough, it felt like home! I can't wait to visit Erddig myself oneday and find out more about the lovely old Squire. (I always wondered why I felt at home o a horse!)
Mon Nov 7 13:03:23 2005
Hollie Owens from Wrexham
Well I recently visited Erddig with school as part of a Victorian project. The fabulous detail and work that went into it was amazing. I recommend that anyone who hasn't yet been goes, it's really a great day out and in my mind Erddig will always be a great memory.
Thu Oct 13 19:45:51 2005
Tony Walker, Coedpoeth.
I have fond memories of the Squire riding his Pennyfarthing through Rhostyllen on Carnival days.
Sun Aug 21 14:57:10 2005
Carl Morris, Wrexham
I am not sure if there are any living decendants of the Mellor's or York families left in the area but I am married to a decendant of Joshua Edisbury. My wife Carol is the daughter of Jennie Edisbury and we are living in Jennie's late brother Stanley Edisbury's property which we bought after his death and we are only about 2 miles from the ancestral home. I never imagined when I was a child and I used to go fishing in the ponds at the rear of the house that I would be married to a member of the family who were the founders of such a beautiful estate.
I also have fond memories of the Squire, he was a very decent man to all of the children that went to the hall.
Sat Apr 30 09:27:00 2005
Rachel Bowen
Concerning the article about Erddig Hall, one-time home of Elihu Yale. The Last Philip was certainly not a recluse, he was eccentric, at one time riding a tandem with his mother (who was dressed in high Edwardian clothing in the 1940s) sitting on the back, while he shaved himself along Ruabon High street, still on his tandem. He used to organise 'Spain for 2d per mile' in his minibus. He lived at Pentre Clawdd farm for a while, and later in Henry Street, Ruabon. He was a very gentle and generous man. He was at one time very attached to Miss Marjorie Gray (whose father had been manager of The Ruabon Brick and Terracotta Company). Miss Gray led the local Girl Guide Company, and took us to camp at Bron y Garth. Philip Yorke came to visit her, and he brought melons for us all to taste. Most had never seen a melon before.
Fri Apr 22 15:54:53 2005
Steve Elliott ex Rhostyllen
I went with a friend into Erddig orchard one summer afternoon in 1959 to scrump pears. The pears were not really ripe, but it felt great to be there stuffing our ill gotten gains into our trouser pockets. Then I heard the voice of a gardener say "here they are Squire" The orchard was surrounded by a high hedge and there seemed no way out. I looked at the hedge and my friend was already at the top, so I quickly followed and jumped from the top into a swampy field. We both laughed and ran off across the field having got away with it. However.. after a few minutes we began to walk only to hear the sound of hoof beats. Looking round the Squire was in hot pursuit on horseback! We split up and both managed to reach the woods before we were apprehended. Sorry Squire, I really won't do it again.
Mon Mar 28 19:42:14 2005
David Davies from Portugal
My parents,Lottie & Idris Davies from Llys Llewellyn in Rhosllannerchrugog used to take me to visit Phil. I can remember happy days riding the ponies and the penny-farthing Bicycle in Erddig and also listening to Phil playing the "wood saw" with his violin bow! He also fought in the Spanish Franco war and was also a tour quide in Spain after the war.
Sat Mar 5 21:00:53 2005
Les Edwards from Wrexham
I grew up in Erddig Road, Wrexham, and spent many magical hours as a youngster in Erddig, fishing, bird-watching & shooting. Often chased off by Simon Yorke! Phillip Yorke was totally different, and remember once he caught us fishing in his garden (we climbed over the wall!) He just sat and watched us for a while, and wished us luck. Nice to see some of the birdlife has returned. Excellent place.
Wed Jan 5 22:00:30 2005
Mark Williams, Johnstown
Being "Down the road", Erddig was a popular place for us to go as children in the early seventies. On the park one day we came upon Squire York who, after enquiring as to what we were up to, carried on along his way leaving us to look for conkers and go to play down the "Cup And Saucer".
Sat Oct 30 15:39:28 2004
Stefan from Wrexham
Erddig. This used to be signposted as Erthic or something similar. Changed a lot over the last 30 years. I seem to remember the stone lodge on Erddig Road, not sure if there was one on Sontley Road as well. River has altered course, pond has sprouted up in the middle (mine workings filling up perhaps), kingfishers, dragonflys have returned, pair of buzzards making it their territory. I remeber Erddig before they built Coed-y-Glyn and the pub etc, Erddig began at the end of Howards field. Now there's one for budding historians, why is it called Howards field? And now that Nazereth House has been sold to the private sector, what fate beholds this patch of land?
Mon Sep 13 10:51:31 2004
Jenna Jones from New Broughton
We all ought to lobby Wrexham Museum to get an excavation done on the Motte and Bailey castle in the grounds of Erddig. It's an incredible piece of archaeology and would tell us so much about old Wrexham.
Tue Apr 6 19:55:47 2004
Mark Morgan Lloyd
I was cautiously exploring the gardens in the early '70s when I was confronted by Squire Yorke. He looked me up and down, remarked that I was obviously not a townie, and threw me off quite gently. In retrospect, I think I should have learnt from that.
Mon Jan 19 00:05:03 2004
Ron Jones from Wrexham
Philip Yorke had a great friendship over many years with my grandfather and used to come for tea regularly to our home in Trevor Street. He had many friends in the theatre who accompanied him - I remember well James Haytor (Friar Tuck to Richard Todd's "Robin Hood") and he was the original voice for Kipling Cakes. Mr Yorke was a lovely eccentric character with a variety of transport including an old BSA Bantom, a penny farthing and a horse drawn buggy. As a young lad I spent many happy hours exploring Erddig Hall and exercising the horses there. A truly wonderful man who influenced me greatly.
Sat Jan 17 03:46:01 2004
Pam Beetham, Australia
When I was a child, my father farmed a small holding tied to Erddig Hall. I remember the Squire cycling around the district, probably on the bike he's photographed with in the article. He always had some 'goodies' in the basket for the kids that would run out to greet him on his journey. He was such a nice man to the kids. My mother still walks her dog in the grounds of Erddig Hall.
Tue Dec 23 08:56:33 2003
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