Down on the farm...
By David Frost
As a schoolboy I was directed to contribute towards the war effort by collecting waste paper from the hospital archives. I remember hundreds of huge wage ledgers dating from the mid-1800s, with each attendant's name written against the entry 'one pound' (weekly or monthly, I can't recall) and each payment receipted by signing over a penny postage stamp.
Then there was another ledger, dated 1840, which was the subscription list for the construction of the hospital, and the very first entry in beautiful copperplate handwriting was 'Her Majesty Queen Victoria, 50 guineas' (That relic did not go for waste paper, I wonder where it is now?)
They used to say that the branch railway line from Rhyl served three bastions of Victorian Britain - St Asaph, the workhouse; Denbigh, the hospital; and Ruthin, the gaol.
My brother Robert was born in Parc-y-Twll, opposite St Davids, where we lived for a year until Mr Barker retired, aged 80. My father and Mr Barker put in nearly 100 years service between them in running the administration of Denbigh Hospital.
Robert mentioned in a separate article on this website that Pat Wilde, a patient, worked in our house. Pat was born deaf and dumb, but he could 'feel' music, and, in fact, was usually the MC at the weekly hospital dance in the Main Hall, keeping perfect time.
He used to take us through the Gary Gordons with military precision, and ensured that we all finished at the same time (more or less).
In those days the hospital was almost entirely self-sufficient. We had own water supply from our own private lake high on the Denbigh moors on the road to Betws-y-Coed. We had our own laundry, and our own electrical power station, and that provoked memories - it generated power 110 volts DC, but most available appliances were 240 volts AC.
The problem was overcome by complicated and fearsome looking electrical equipment that converted 110v DC to 240vAC in your own living room. It was a sight for sore eyes to see my mother pulling switches, adjusting rheostats and tuning condensers for several minutes, then triumphantly turning on the radio and getting BBC light programmes.
And of course the Hospital had its own farm, right next to main buildings, and supplied nearly everything to feed 1500 patients plus staff - vegetables, potatoes, wheat, milk, meat. The farm included several hundred pigs (fed on swill from the kitchens), and had a licenced slaughter house, where we children were not allowed to go.
The farm and market garden were especially useful to the hospital as they provided occupational therapy for hundreds of patients, many of whom came from farming backgrounds. Mr Evans, the farm bailiff at that time, used to boast that our farm had the highest potato yield in the Vale of Clwyd - not a single potato was left in the ground.
It is sad that when the Ministry of Health took over hospitals in 1948 from local councils in terms of the National Health Service, one of the first things they did was to close down all hospital farms, as it was believed that it was cheaper to buy food on the open market. That may be so, but it was a pity to see the patients who used to work on the farm being locked up all day in the wards.
Denbigh was never bombed during the war, but Liverpool and Merseyside were, and I can remember listening to the German planes flying at a great height right over the hospital night after night, on their way from Dublin to Merseyside. (Ireland was neutral in this war, so there was no blackout in Dublin which provided a beacon of light for bombers heading for Liverpool). We would see flashes of bombs and guns beyond the Clwyd range. Sometimes there were great grass fires on top of the hills, especially around Moel Famau, and some said they were set by soldiers to deceive the enemy, others said they were caused by bombs that fell short of their target.
The future of the hospital buildings appears to be in doubt. It is interesting to recall that when the hospital was built in the 1840s much of the stone came from the ruins of Denbigh Castle, blown up by Oliver Cromwell 200 years earlier. Maybe somebody will recycle these ancient stones again, leaving behind another ruin that future visitors will pay to see. Or maybe the hospital will go the same way as St Asaph workhouse and the Ruthin workhouse and Ruthin prison. What happened to them?
David, now living in Harare, Zimbabwe, submitted this article in September 2006
Remembering the workers & painting the blacksmith's shop
By Robert Frost
My father became the clerk and steward in 1938 taking over from Mr Barker. I was brought up within the grounds and spent much of my time with Tommie Davies the cobbler (and the earlier Mr Hughes); The entire works department (I personally painted the blacksmith's shop walls in one holiday break).
There was Joe Bartlett the Porter; Melvyn/Myrvyn one of the chauffeurs (in the bomb disposal squads during the war); Maldwyn the electrician who brought me back coins from his wartime experiences in Malaya(?); Mr Bumby the farm bailiff; the two farm horseman who looked after Captain and another horse which competed with the tractors for work - one of the horses injured one of the farm hands; the day the hay/straw barn burnt down and I had to hold a hose for hours and soaked the fire chief by accident.
I remember Mr Basil Evans, my father's number 2; Auldina Jones his secretary; Dr John Roberts my godfather; Dr Schwartz (nee Simmonds); Dr Wilson who lived up at the reception; Dr Gwyn Davies, Mr Pritchard and his daughter Gwynno (!); Mrs Chisholm the pharmacist; Tom Davies the head male nurse; Miss Smith at the laundry; Mr Humphries the head electrician; the wonderful 'engine room' where the electricity was generated; the coal hole which fired the boilers and drove the turbines; cleaning inside the (ship's) boilers during my holidays; Mr Moore the head cowman; Mr Pearce the head painter; Mr Griffiths the Head upholsterer; watching them all playing dominoes at lunchtime.
There was 'Major someone' the catering officer; Mr Middleton the joiner; Mr Hughes the head Gardener assisted by Tommy Davies's brother; their little tracked tractor that had handles instead of a steering wheel; the fire station and the wonderful mobile unit kept in it (still to be found at the back of the hospital on the female side I wonder?); the land girls during the war; Pat Wilde, a patient who worked at St David's some mornings and took me for walks; the head seamstress (we have a chicken named after her to this day); the blacksmith who gave me the dirtiest jobs possible when I worked with him - lovely man.
All these memories have come flooding back simply by entering "webcam Denbigh" on my computer! I now live in Tasmania and would be delighted to assist in documenting any further recollections.
Robert, now living in Franklin, Tasmania, submitted this article in August 2006
your comments
Mark from Cheshire
Just got home from today from taking a walk around the ground and such a shame it's left in bits with no slates on roof and floors all gone as it's all caved in and left in a bad way. So much for Prince Charles in 2004 saying he would get it fixed up and looking good.
Mon Mar 30 09:14:13 2009
Bruce Kirk, Wolverhampton
I'm interested in the reference to Sidney Frost, Clerk and Steward at the hospital. Was he discharged from the army (possibly the Leicestershire Regiment) during the First World War and lived in Leicestershire until 1923?
Mon Jan 5 08:39:03 2009
Clwyd Wynne, Denbigh
To Sue Welsby re Mr Bumby. If you would like to send your request through the enquiry section or guestbook on our website www.northwaleshospital.ik.com we will try to find an answer for you. There are still people around who remember the Bumbys and would be able to give you some information.
Tue Nov 25 11:55:46 2008
Sue Welsby
Could anyone give me more information on Mr Bumby the farm bailiff. My maiden name is Bumby.
Tue Nov 4 13:49:50 2008
Robert Frost
Denbigh 7 was of course its phone number! At St Davids (at the entrance to the drive) we were Denbigh 258.
Sat Sep 27 10:16:07 2008
Liz Crosbie
My father's mother spent most of her life as an inpatient at Denbigh from 1917-1953 having been admitted with melancholia. I so enjoyed reading about the nice things about the hospital such as the garden and the good food they must have had. I never knew her or even knew of her existence for years and would love to think that she had some happiness in her life and I would so dearly love to have a photo of her. Many thanks for your memories and as I grew up in Africa and have connections with Australia and of course Wales, it had a special meaning for me.
Wed Sep 3 08:26:37 2008
Robert Frost from Tasmania
It is eerie to read such comments as have been made by Cate, Sandra and Elinor! Sandra - Denbigh 7 was of course its phone number. The phone would ring in the porter's little office and the likes of Mr Barclay would answer it. Wonderful memories. Cate - fancy you living in Parc Y Twll. Give me your email address and I will send you some pictures taken there by my family at the time - 1938/40. Elinor - I have passed this to my sister Chritine who you refer to. She lives in Chalfont St Giles and would love to hear from you. I did indeed spend 3 years at HMS Conway, the Merchant navy officers' training ship in The Menai Strait before going to sea.
Thu Aug 28 15:12:11 2008
Sandra Hodgetts, Southampton
I believe this hospital was known as "Denbigh seven" by locals. Does anyone know anything about this and if I'm correct, why was it called this?
Mon Jul 28 10:11:06 2008
Cate
We live in Parc-y-Twll, the house where Robert was born! We found the website while researching a project for one of our three children, who have all grown up very happily here!
Thu Jul 10 08:27:08 2008
Sharon Clutton from Wrexham
My mum worked at the hospital for many years as a carer. My siblings and myself used to play in the hospital grounds as I lived just across the fields at Bryn Stanley. My mother's name is Mona Roberts, my father's name was Dennis Roberts. He married a woman called Linda.
Wed May 28 08:08:06 2008
Elinor Richards (nee McLellan)
It was fascinating to see the pictures of the hospital and St David's. In the 50s I used to visit my primary school friend Christine Frost there. I remember her older brothers, particularly Robert, who I think was at naval college at Menai Bridge? I remember going to see Mr Frost in his office at the hospital and also Pat in the kitchen. Auldina Jones was a neighbour of ours in Castle View. The last time I saw the family was at Christine's wedding in 1964!
Tue Aug 21 10:14:31 2007
Jeannette Aubery from Leeds
I spent 18 months in Denbigh Hospital and I can say that I was so very grateful to the staff for all they did for me during those very difficult months. How sad to see the buildings that stood so beautiful now delapidated.
Thu Aug 9 09:55:48 2007
Lexi Cooke from north Wales, Mold
Went to visit 'the mental hospital' today with my boyfriend. At first we were wary of going actually around the grounds and inside the building but plucked up the courage. It was huge and took us ages to walk around it. There were so many rooms. Saw a patient's trolley in one of hundreds of hallways which freaked me out. The sad thing was that a lot of the windows had been smashed by vandals and graffitied on a lot of the out buldings. What a beautiful building which should be left to stand in peace forever.
Mon May 21 10:00:40 2007
Nigel from San Francisco
My stepfather was self admmitted there in 1990, he could only stay for a week because it was so depressing. I went to visit and everyone was walkng around like zombies. My stepfather committed suicide two weeks after he left. I went back to visit last August and took some photos, my wife and I were chased off the property by a caretaker and his son! In one of my photos I'm convinced there's someone looking out of one of the windows.
Tue Nov 21 09:12:16 2006
Barbara Findlay, Melbourne Australia
Just been looking at Denbigh Mental Hospital site. My Mum worked there, must have been around 1958. I have a wooden clothes hanger from the hospital, someone wrote on it: 0590 Denby. Any idea what the 0590 stands for?
Thu Sep 14 09:00:06 2006
Nigel from Zimbabwe
Amazing that these 2 brothers from Denbigh now live on opposite sides of the world - from each other and Denbigh!
Mon Sep 11 09:13:29 2006