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Shotton Steelworks and Garden City

Shotton Steelworks' general office

Last updated: 10 June 2009

The effects Shotton Steelworks has had on the development of Deeside cannot be underestimated, as history now shows, including the development of a whole new subsurb, Garden City.

The effects Shotton Steelworks has had on the development of Deeside cannot be underestimated, as history now shows.

Building the sprawling factory on the banks of the River Dee changed forever an area that was once mainly marshland. It led to whole communities being built to house the influx of workers as up to 13,000 were once employed at the works. And some may say the legacy of the day 6,500 workers were made redundant in 1980 is still being felt - though much has been done to counter that like the building of Deeside Industrial Estate.

Before brothers Harry and James Summers decided to site the family's new business at Deeside, Shotton - just across the Dee - was little more than a hamlet. But as the business steadily grew from 1896, terraces were built to house their workers and the Summers family provided 30 acres of land for the building of Garden City!

It was in 1895 that Harry and James had put it to their four brothers to buy just 40 acres of Dee marshland to start production of galvanised steel sheeting. They already had a successful works at Stalybridge, Manchester, which they had inherited from their father, John, who had died in 1867.

In the end, the brothers decided to buy 10,000 acres, purchased at 5 shillings an acre, and the first sheets of steel were produced by 250 workers in September 1896 using steam-driven mills. By the 1900s, 40,000 tonnes was being produced annually. It was in 1902 when the plant began making its own steel in nine open-hearth furnaces. And six years later the imposing red brick general office was built - which is still a striking landmark.

By 1910 there were 3,000 employed at the steelworks. According to the history books it was at this time that the Summers brothers allowed two breweries to be built on site making non alcoholic drinks - because they had learned that two men were being paid 30 shillings a week to bring beer into the works for men working in the hot mills.

During the First World War 49 mills were working at capacity making 500,000 tonnes of galvanised and black sheets a year. But over-production worldwide led to Shotton refocusing on products for the car industry. However, even clever and forward thinking could not shield the factory from the American depression. April 24 1931 became Black Friday and the works was closed with 4,000 staff sacked, leaving 2,000.

Business began to recover and by the Second World War the steel sheets being made were used for air raid shelters. Up to 2,000 men enlisted for war and their jobs were taken by women. The factory was never a target for German bombers.

The 1950s saw the workforce rise to 10,000 and that figure was at 12,000 by July 28 1967 when the industry and Shotton Steelworks were nationalised by the Labour government.

Shotton Steelworks was so big that articulated buses - with benches for seats - were used to ferry staff around the works which was once said to be up to eight miles wide. There was also a fleet of cars with registration numbers from 1 to 100. And at one time there were 30-plus steam engines working on-site which, between 1953-67, hauled 17m tonnes of ore to the works before diesel locos took over.

In the 1970s computer technology led to changes. Plus, with Government plans to modernise the industry, the so-called heavy end iron and steelmaking operations were closed in March 1980 with the loss of 6,500 jobs.

The old blast furnaces site was redeveloped by British Steel and the Welsh Development Agency and turned into what is now Deeside Industrial Estate as a way to try and provide work for some of the redundant steelworkers.

In 1999 British Steel agreed a merger with the Netherlands biggest steel producer, Hoogovens Koninkliike, to create Corus and Shotton Works became the headquarters for a new business unit, Corus Colors. And in a further move a new business was set up called Corus Living Solutions designing and manufacturing prefabricated building spaces.

Written by BBC Wales NE Web Team with assistance from Corus

your comments

Alan Davis (Puza) ex Shotton
To Gav Morgan, nice to hear from you. Been up here 20 years now, working in construction. Really glad you got in touch.
Wed Jun 10 07:45:59 2009

Roy Booth, Neston
If anyone has a 8mm film of John Summers/British Steel then a firm in Nottingham can transfer it. They did a job for me transferring a video to DVD called 'Roy Singing More Memories' and it was very successful.
Mon Jun 8 10:50:12 2009

Gav Morgan, Shotton
Alan Davis (Puza) ex Shotton. I wondered what happened you, your Stephen told me you moved to Biggar. Nice to hear about you anyway.
Mon Jun 8 09:29:10 2009

Geoff Pennington, Canada
To Dave Chomacks Roberts. The reunion starts anytime after 8pm. Derek "Storkie" Jones and Edwin "Mr Ed" Smith are taking care of things. I pulled your name out of the hat so you're one of the rammming crew. See you soon.
Wed Jun 3 08:49:07 2009

Roy Booth, Neston
I remember at number 3 smelting plant John {captain) Smith well in at Manchester United with Sir Matt Busby. My good friend Jack [backerjack] Jones, Ben Parry brother of Manager Fred, Bill Powell. Ronnie Payne [the farmer] Loui Donner in the canteen. I'm 81 now but surviving. Happy days.
Mon Jun 1 08:32:59 2009

Roy Booth, Neston
When I wasn't running off to Granada TV I worked in number 3 smelting plant under Fred Parry, Roy Stanley, etc. I was firstly in the Demolition then a Steam Blower.
Thu May 28 08:11:11 2009

Roy Booth, Neston
I worked in number 3 smelting shop as a labourer in the demolition under Fred Parrty, Roy Stanley, etc.
Wed May 27 08:24:24 2009

David Roberts, Rossett
To Geoff Pennington. Ontario. Canada. Hello Geoff. Great to hear from you and thanks for letting me know about the reunion on the 27th June. If I am not "On Deck" and can get a start I will be there. I won't be able to bring my clogs as I am unable to find any "Irons" for them, although I still have my "Brat" so I will bring that. Can you put another post on this site as to what time this starts, and who is organising it. All the best, Dave "Chomacks" Roberts.
Fri May 22 08:13:17 2009

Geoff Pennington, Ontario Canada
To Dave "Chomacks" Roberts. I haven't seen you since the plant closed. Just to let you know that there is a reunion of the Melters to celebrate the 30th year of the last Open Hearth Furnace ever to be tapped at Shotton Steelworks. The "M" furnace was tapped on the afternoon shift on the 24th of December 1979. We're all getting together on Saturday the 27th of June at the "Ranch" in Shotton. I hope to see you there. Bring your clogs. There should be lots of slag.
Tue May 19 12:46:41 2009

Fred Knox
This is for Sue in California, reading your mail I see you mentioned Alf Lewis. I was an apprentice plumber who was given some "training in lead burning" by Alf. He worked in the pickling plant. The baths etc were all lined with lead because of the acid that was used. I remember he used to get a pint of milk a day to prevent lead poisining! I left in 1957 after finishing my apprenticeship to join the RAF. I was only going to do 2 year but landed up serveing for 32 years. Been back to the area many times, looked around the City as I did work there for 12months (1956) installing all the uptodate back boilers and new fire places, but how things have changed. Happy days when I was at JS&S.
Thu Apr 30 08:32:21 2009

Sue in California, born in Garden City
Thank you David Roberts for telling me about my Grandpa, Hayden. Yes, that was him. My Mom told me he worked where the steel was poured but I didn't know exactly where that was. It's great to know now. Thanks also for your kind words about him. I'm hoping to post a picture on this site of him in front of the main office with a group of men that my Mom says is the steelworks' choir.
Mon Apr 27 09:12:03 2009

David Roberts, Rossett.
Sue in California. I knew a Hayden Taylor who was a Foreman in the Casting Bay which was a department in the No 3 Steel Plant [open hearth furnaces], this dept was where the molten steel was teemed out of the ladle into Ingot Moulds. I worked on the furnaces but Hayden Taylor was on the same shift as me in the 1960s, he was a nice man as well. Hope this is of interest to you. Regards.
Thu Apr 23 10:00:04 2009

Sue in California, born in Garden City
My family came to the USA in 1956 when I was 7 and my brother, Paul, was 2 with my Dad, Dennis Taylor, and my mom, Marjorie (Lewis). We came here with my Uncle Ross Baker, a Yank from California that my Aunt, Angela Taylor, met when he was stationed at Sealand. My Mom worked in the canteen in the late 1940s at Summers & Sons and both my grandfathers worked there for many years. Alf Lewis, my Mom's dad, was a chemical plumber and glazer. My Mom can't remember where he worked at the steelworks. Hayden Taylor, my dad's father, was a foreman in the stamping mill, we think. My grandparents lived across the street from each other on Brookside in Garden City. My great uncle, Ron Jones, lived on Farm Road and was well known in Deeside as a supporter of youth sport. We went back home in 1996 but by that time they'd all gone. My mom tells me that the whistle blew ending the day shift at the steelworks on the day I was born in 1949. We have so many wonderful memories. Seeing the photos and posts on this site bring many of them back. Even though we've lived in America for 53 years we still cherish our memories of "back home."
Tue Apr 21 11:45:07 2009

Tom Barley, Shotton Lad
To Ruth, Sheffield. Yes I remember your dad. He used to come to the "Black Iron" Rolling Mill in 1A bay next to the Hot Strip Mill to have a chat with Jack Leonard about union business.
Wed Apr 15 10:29:08 2009

Ruth, Sheffield
Hi, wondering if anyone knew of my dad, Jack Garside? He worked at John Summers all his life, was brought up in Garden City. He trained the junior ops for a while and finally worked in the unions.
Tue Apr 14 11:38:43 2009

Kay from Shotton
Message for Ron Evans and David Roberts - thank you for responding to my request for info on my grandad Samuel Garner. Ron, I'm not sure where Sam worked but I know he was a forklift truck / crane driver and if David is right, he may well have worked in No 3 sheds. David, that information you have given has been really useful in helping me find records so thanks again. Any other information would be really very gratefully received. I do know that Sam loved working at the works and he spoke fondly of all the people he worked with. I'm trying to also get some information on Sam's father who also worked at the works and was a trade union rep - the photos I have of him when he was working there show him in a brown pinstripe suit with a watch on a chain attached to his waistcoat (must have been the fashion of the day!). Look forward to hearing from you, thanks again.
Tue Apr 7 10:06:04 2009

Christine Walker, Livingston
I am looking for any information at all about my grandad. His name was John Arthur Jones. He lived on Church Road, Buckley. He worked most of his days in the steelworks. He ran the furnaces during the war. He was also a union chairman while he was there. He died in 1976 in Chester.
Fri Mar 13 10:35:27 2009

Fred Knox, Carlisle
Hi Ron, still waiting to have contact with you va this link. I do remember you. Sadly, as I said previously, Allan, my brother has died, also Ron Edwards who was from Hawarden, who I met up with many years later in a village called Derham, in Cumbria. Would be nice to meet up again.
Do Summers' apprentices have a "get together" or indeed is there an Association of Ex Apprentices? I have been in contact with Trevor Boden, ex plumber. Again this was with the help of this site which, I must admit, brings back happy memories of my days at JS&S.
Thu Mar 12 09:54:54 2009

Pidge
Northern Aces now back, also Chosen Few Scooter Club, both have their own websites. You might see some old faces on there.
Fri Feb 27 13:45:14 2009

Alan Davis (Puza) ex Shotton
Pidge, I was a good mate of Stephen Griffiths (Biffo), and Gavin Evans. I also had a scooter and became a member of the Northern Aces Scooter Club in 1979. Other mates; Pete Treadwell, George Walker (carpets). Also remember youth club in Ash Grove and pub crawls from Central Hotel to Halfway House and back, great nights.
Tue Feb 24 08:28:02 2009

Pidge
Puza, still can't place you. I lived in Wellington St and started in '77 as a junior op. Still there now, lots of changes as you can imagine. Shotton is now very much rundown, the Central is derelict now - only Clwyd and Hendies open. Never heard of any reunions now. Used to be a few years back with different departments. Don't think there would be many left now.
Mon Feb 23 08:43:55 2009

John Kelly from Mold
I worked at the ore handling plant, '69-'74. My shift foremen were Mr Seaman, Alan Cunnah & Ken Iball, my friend Ray Lloyd (and best man) worked next door at the synterplant. I have fond memories and it would be great to hear from anyone who worked there at that time.
Mon Feb 23 08:10:25 2009

Jen Roberts, Australia
Hi Denise, the memory is working overtime and I think I can put a face to the name now. Yes, it would be nice to meet up when we come back. I will be visiting my relatives in Shotton and Connah's Quay. The relatives are thinning out now - only one sister left of my dad's 1 brother and three sisters. Looking forward to coming back for a month, and not too sure how we will feel leaving again especially when there is a little baby to leave as well.
Fri Feb 20 12:44:21 2009

Alan Davis (Puza), ex Shotton
Thank you Pidge for the information you sent. It was really sad news about Mark. I will have to make an effert to visit Shotton and find some of my old mates. Are there any junior opp reunions? If so when and where?
Fri Feb 20 09:54:23 2009

James Anyon (Jim) from Neston
I started at the steelworks in 1975 as a junior op.I worked in the ssw, bcs and marsh. I remember Geof Ellis, Glen Miller and Colin Evans being my main mates amongst many others. I would like to find out about the pension I paid for the three years I worked at Shotton. Was it a pension scheme or just state pension? Can anybody enlighten me on the matter as the years have dimmed my memory somewhat.
Thu Feb 19 08:52:22 2009

Denise (Harburn)
Hi Jen, I was originally from Shotton, Woodland Street, then Grosvenor Road. I went to St Ethelwolds and Deeside Secretary Modern school. I have a brother Peter who I think is a similar age to Graham. Hope this helps to jog the memory. Maybe we could meet up when you are over in August. Take care
Tue Feb 17 14:50:38 2009

Alan Williams, Bodfari
I'm an adviser with the CAB and have had an enquiry about the pension scheme at John Summers from someone who worked there as a Junior Operative in th early 1970s. His recollection is that membership of the pension scheme was compulsory but Corus say they have no record of any contributions. Can anyone confirm that it was compulsory, please?
Mon Feb 16 09:08:40 2009

Tudor Williams off Flint, now Northop
Have only recently come across this website and find it very interesting. I worked in the works from 1963 until 1998, all of this time in the rollshop (will be sending in a photo soon). Have seen a message from Brinley Jones, a former workmate in the rollshop. To Ken Parry of Morecambe, if you used to live in 4th Avenue then look through the Flint old photos for the street party of 1954.
Mon Feb 16 08:45:37 2009

Pidge
Sadly Mark Lomax died a few years ago. Dave (Biffo) lives in Oz, Rogue and Mini, his brother, I have not seen for ages.
Mon Feb 16 08:42:24 2009

David Roberts, Rossett
Kay from Shotton. I worked in No 3 Steel Plant 1960-1980 and only recently having access to the site, I noticed your request for information about Sam Garner your grandad from Garden City who worked in the steelworks. I remember a Sam Garner from the city who worked as a crane driver in No 3 Steel Plant scrapshed. I worked quite a few shifts down the scrapshed in the early 60s. I did not have a conversation with him, just a passing acknowledgment, although it was a long time ago I am sure I am right and this gentleman was your grandad. Hope this is of interest to you. Regards.
Fri Feb 13 09:43:46 2009

Alan Davis, Edinburgh, Ex Shotton
I started at the steelworks in 1976 as a junior op until 1981 when I was made redundant. My time at the works was a fantastic experience, mainly because of the hundreds of friends and the jokes we used to play on each other. I worked in the coatings department, BCS, SSW, Marsh. I lived at 2 Health St, Shotton, so I was just over the railway bridge, just up the alley from Mona Jeff's wee shop. I have been away from Shotton for a long time so would like to hear from anybody who knew me. Some names of old mates - Glen Miller, Steve and Dave Griffiths (Biffo). Mark Lomax, Nevin Adams, Dave Holland (Ash Grove), Tony Millington (the rogue) and Ray Horace Jones off Flint to name just a few.
Thu Feb 12 09:34:03 2009

Jen Roberts, Australia
To Denise. I am rattling my brain to remember you. I know I know you, where did you live at that time? My brother Graham lives in Australia also. He has been here 32 years next month. We are coming back to the UK next August, going to be grandparents for the first time. Our two boys still live in the UK.
Wed Feb 11 09:35:48 2009

Denise (Harburn)
David Roberts - What a fantastic memory you have. Unfortunately mine isn't so good but dad remembers you, your dad Les and the fishing trips fondly, in fact it was Les who introduced and taught dad the art of fishing. He also said Les was the best fitter in the steelworks. He has lots of good memories, surprising what comes out of the grey matter when prompted. Many thanks for getting in touch, dad and mum send their regards - they both celebrated their 80th birthday and 60th wedding anniversary last year.
Tue Feb 10 10:44:42 2009

Allen formerly from Mancot
Hi Philip. Yes my uncles Jim and Tom used to go to the archery with him at JS and sons' sports club and he was a very tall chap as I recall. I must have been a teenager when I last saw him and of course his son I do see now and then. He works, or used to work, for Mostyns.
Mon Feb 9 09:59:26 2009

Philip Davies
Allen, yes my grandfather lived on Hawarden Way by the Cons club and was an active member of the archery club. My grandmother, Marrie, still lives in Mancot.
Wed Feb 4 10:42:04 2009

Allen formerly from Mancot
To Philip Davies. I might have known your grandad 'Tasher' did he live in Mancot, just a few doors away from the old Cons club and was a member of the Summers archery club?
Tue Feb 3 10:28:57 2009

Darlene Ambrose, France
Does anyone remember my great uncle Bill? William (Bill) Hobbiss worked originally at Staylbridge globe Iron Works for 58 years starting work in 1905. He then went to work at Shotton (roll turning) and in 1946 was Bar mill manager until 1957 when he retired. He returned part time as a roll turner until finally leaving in 1963. At one time all his family worked at Stalybridge, father, mother, 2 brothers & 4 sisters!
Tue Feb 3 09:42:34 2009

Fred Knox B.E.M Carlisle
Ron (Keith) Evans (21 Nov 2008)
What memories your letter brought back, you mentioning those names including my brother Allan Knox, I rememeber Mr Arbury and a Mr Jones who ran the workshop. I served my time in the building department. I have a photo taken of us all in the works in the company of Mr Gray. Sadly my brother passed away in 1995. Very happy memories of those days, spent a lot of time in "Garden City" houses on the modernization of the properties. Certainly many happy times spent with many chaps at John Summers & Sons.
Fri Jan 30 09:39:50 2009

Hazel Kerr, Scotland
Hi Jen, I will try again and hope you get full message this time. Yes, I knew Suzanne and your other friends apart from Pauline Wilson. I knew all of Ivors family too. Thank you for your reply, and for taking the time to do photocopies for me.
Tue Jan 27 10:38:35 2009

Paul Hughes from Saltney
Hi Brinley Jones. Remember the works holiday in Benidorm in 1970? Then we went to meet the girls we met on holiday. We went in your white Volkswagon with Andy Geekie to Morden in Surrey. Happy days mate. Days I will never forget
Mon Jan 26 09:09:01 2009

Hazel Kerr, Scotland
Hi Jen, I did know your grandparents that had the chip shop, but don't remember your uncles that had the Ideal although it was one of my haunts. My mum and would have known your parents and my dad worked in the strip mill, o would have known your dad but sadly they have both passed away.
Mon Jan 26 08:37:03 2009

David Roberts
Denise from Connahs Quay. Viewing the pages of steelworks talk I noticed the name of Peter Harburn. He worked as a pipe fitter in the Cold Strip Mill. My father Les Roberts[fitter] worked there also. Sadly my dad passed away in 1981 aged 64. I remember as a schoolboy your dad would come and pick my dad and myself up in his car at about 3 o'clock in the morning to go and fish a lake for trout somewhere up in the mountains. I remember my dad bringing home some Devon minnows for spinning that your dad made. I still have a couple of them around the shed. I also remember you as a young girl when you visited my mum and dad with your parents and younger brother Peter in the '50s. Does your dad remember the big trout he caught there, 4lb 4oz? Incidentally, my youngest sister was named after you. Remember me to your dad. Best wishes.
Mon Jan 26 08:12:57 2009

Jen Roberts
Hi Hazel, yes one of the Ratcliffe's. My grandparents owned the fish and chip shop next to what was Lloyd Williams. My uncle then took it over before my Mum and Dad took it over in the late '60s. My two uncles also owned the Ideal between them, Bill Ratcliffe and Dennis Norbury. I have many happy memories of Connah's Quay and Shotton. I also went to the Richard Gwyn after we moved to Rockcliffe, and I must send you those photographs. I am guilty of having forgotton about those. I will photocopy them and get them to you as soon as possible. Do you remember Suzanne Norbury, Janet Eccles, Pauline Wilson, Joyce Aston, May Strong? It is my 59th birthday tomorrow and it seems like yesterday that I was 17 going to the Civic Hall dances and the Labour Club in Fron Road. Happy memories.
Thu Jan 22 08:30:22 2009

Ron Evans
To Kay from Shotton. Sorry to have taken so long but I only return to this site now and again. I have vague memories of the name (rather than the person) Sam Garner. If you could provide more information of which department he worked in and what his job or trade was it might bring back a clearer memory. Promise to look up the site more often!
Thu Jan 22 08:20:03 2009

Hazel Kerr, Scotland
Hi Jen Roberts nee Ratcliffe, I must know you if you came from the Quay. I knew the Ratcliffes from Connah's Quay. I did ask you some time ago if you could photo copy Rockliffe Hall for me, I got BBC Wales to send you my postal address that you required but have never heard anything back from you. If it's not possible for you to do that could you reply back and let me know.
Wed Jan 21 09:07:38 2009

Raymond Lloyd Dodd, Prestatyn
Hi Cath, I'm still here after thirty years, the original plan was about a year (I'm a sticker). The last time we spoke I was a landlord in housing and still I am, between stress and a strange sense of humour I am surviving. Maybe the grounding from you and wonderful family did the trick. On rare occasions I fly past Mary and Les, I try to acknowledge but they're not sure who? Please send all my love and best wishes to all the family.
Thu Jan 8 10:09:33 2009

Mike Lawlor
I met some Shotton lads on an Outward Bound course - April 1956. I enjoyed the course and the fun. I wonder where they are today? I am now seventy, with 10 grandchildren. I worked for Guinness then and followed that as a management consultant. I live in Dublin, ROI.
Fri Jan 2 10:27:36 2009

Terry Skilbeck, Canada
This is for Andrew Tyson who I haven't seen for more than twenty years. Rita has my e-mail address if you want to get in touch.
Fri Jan 2 10:23:50 2009

Kay from Shotton
To Ron (Keith) Evans, do you remember my grandad, Samule Garner? He worked at Summers's during your time and retired in the late '70s.
Mon Dec 22 08:55:40 2008

Jen, Australia
To Denise, Connah's Quay. I remember your name but can't put a face to the name. Many happy memories but some sad ones as well. Keep in touch - it's nice to hear from people from so long ago.
Wed Dec 17 08:11:11 2008

Jeff
DC from Flint. Do I know you? I lived over the road from Mr and Mrs Faulkener and their daughter, Rita. My sister, Dorothy, spoke to Rita a few months ago.
Mon Dec 15 08:44:24 2008

Denise from Connah's Quay
Jen from Australia - you asked if anybody remembers your dad, Dave. I recognised your name (Ratcliffe) and my mum and dad, Helena and Peter Harburn, remember your parents, Velma and Dave, fondly. They were the best of pals a long time ago. Dad used to go shooting with your dad over on the marshes and at Hendre where your uncle Ken (Coppack) lived. My dad worked with your uncle in the steelworks. When I showed mum and dad this site, it brought back a lot of good memories. Hope you can remember the Harburn family from Shotton.
Fri Dec 12 14:12:56 2008

John Butler - Butlers Radio & TV (retired)
During the mid 1960s, as an enthusiastic student sound recordist, I assisted with the production of an 8mm colour movie about the John Summers steelworks. The project was put together by the work's photography unit under the direction of Roy Thomas and Bill Roberts. Their skill and photographic artistry captured all the drama and vivid imagery of a vibrant heavy industry. Ivor Jones of Connahs Quay (who was I think the work's "public relations" officer) recorded the commentary. I was tasked to mix and synchronise the soundtrack. The film opened with grand panning shot of the General Offices building which features at the head of this column and a stirring music theme that bore an uncanny resemblance to that used by Richard Rogers in "Victory at Sea". The film was in glorious colour and in its 10 minutes or so running it featured fabulous, possibly unique, footage of the workings of the coke ovens and hot strip mill when the works was at its peak. I understand the film was touted around the UK and beyond, whenever there was a need to promote the benefits of a "fully-integrated steelworks" to students and potential customers. Where is it now? Can anyone throw any light on its whereabouts? As an ongoing retirement project I film and document for posterity, personal recollections of these fascinating times whilst the folk who were at the heart of them are still around and able to recount their experiences first-hand. Their stories are an invaluable contribution to the industrial heritage of Deeside and we must conserve the memory whilst we are able. If anyone can help with archive film/tapes or suggest any old-timers who might make good interview subjects, then please contact me via this site. Happy memories of many friends and former customers.
Mon Dec 8 08:54:35 2008

Philip Davies
Heard many stories about the Steel Works, does anybody remember my grandfather Philip Davies (Tasher) who worked at Shotton for many years?
Fri Nov 28 13:03:58 2008

Jen Roberts, Australia
Alan Pearson. What a shock. I didn't know Suzanne had passed away. My auntie who is also her auntie didn't tell me. Anyway, when you see Ivor please remind me to him. Been out here only two years! Husband offered a job out here so moved out lock stock and barrel with the dog. My brother lives about 2 hours away. Enjoying it very much and no desire to go back even though our two sons are still in the UK but they visit whenever they can. Planning to spend Xmas day on the beach with the dog and sun shade. 40 degrees here last year on Xmas Day and Boxing Day so why would we want to be in the cold of North Wales! Anyway keep in touch and remind me to anyone else we were in school with and who may remember me.
Thu Nov 27 09:25:01 2008

Alan Pearson
Hello Jen Roberts. Suzanne passed away over 2 years ago. Still see Ivor now and again for a drink. Ivor took it bad, they were a good couple together. How long have you been in Australia? Keep in touch, Alan.
Wed Nov 26 10:28:29 2008

Geoff Strefford, Connah's Quay
Jen Roberts, Australia - Susan sends her best regards and is keeping well. Her father was a bricklayer on the furnaces at No 3 Steelworks for many years and they all remember your father and family at Rockliffe.
Mon Nov 24 16:30:00 2008

Jen Roberts, Australia
Geoff Strefford. I used to be your wife Susan's best friend when we were kids. I remember you in the choir at St Mark's where your father played the organ. I was Jennifer Ratcliffe then. Tell Susan I often think of her and how she is going on. Give her my best regards.
Mon Nov 24 10:17:37 2008

Jen Roberts, Australia
Alan Pearson. Happy Days at school. Do you remember Suzanne Norbury and Ivor Davies? If you ever see them give them my best regards. Life is good over here - not feeling the recession yet. Perhaps it won't get this far down what with us being at the bottom end of the world!
Mon Nov 24 10:17:01 2008

Kenneth Fitzgerald
Hi Alan & Phil, yes I am keeping fine thanks. Still see Sam Hallows regularly walking round Buckley. Lol Roberts as well. Les Powell runs the Cross Keys here. Best of luck to you both.
Mon Nov 24 10:13:13 2008

Ron (Keith) Evans
Hi, does anyone remember me from the steelworks? I sarted in 1948 working for a very short time in TYPS until the brand new Apprentice Shop opened in 1949. I started with 7 other new apprentices, I was an apprentice Boilermaker, the names I recall are George Hewitt, Alan Knox, Phil Cotterill and Peter Dawson, all apprentice fitters and Ron Edwards an apprentice armature winder. I stayed in the works until 1961 working in No 1 steelworks, Cold Strip Mill, Slab Mill, No 3 steelworks, blast furnace and coke ovens.My father was Albert Evans who worked as a crane driver in the Z mill and was also a soprano cornet player in Summer's Steelworks Band. My father in law was Captain Joe Fellows who served on the Staleybridge. Hope to hear from some of my old colleagues and workmates if there is anyone out there.
Mon Nov 24 10:00:55 2008

Alan Pearson, Connah's Quay
Hello Jen Roberts, I do remember you in school, good times, Mr Evans, Tonto and all. I hope life is good for you in Australia. It's a small world, it's 45 years, time flies. Good luck Jen.
Fri Nov 21 09:25:14 2008

Alan Pearson, Connah's Quay
Hello Ken, this is a turn up for the book. Must be 30 years. We will have to get together all of us it. Would be good. I remember all of them - Wishbone - ha, ha, ha. Good mates all of you. I hope you are well.
Tue Nov 18 08:28:57 2008

Phil Smith, Flint
Hi Ken Fitz, yes I remember all the characters you mention. John Jimmy's grandson worked with me in my last job at Warwicks Mostyn. Still bump into Wishbone occasionally in Mold, still the same wind-up merchant. Have a drink in Flint Legion and often meet Big Stu and Jimmy Thompson who both like to reminisce about the old days. I also see Cyril Wilson quite often, he's still as fit as a fiddle and playing a good standard of golf at Flint. Nice hearing from you Ken take care and hope to see you in Mold some time.
Fri Nov 14 13:41:29 2008

Ken Fitzgerald from Buckley
Hi Phil Smith and Alan Pearson. Due you remember some of the characters in the traffic dept like John Jimmy the Judge, Tom Powell, Wishbone, Roy Evans, Bill Jenks?
Thu Nov 13 09:01:40 2008

Rita Ratcliffe, Cheshire
To Vincent in Canada and Catherine from Deva Avenue (both McKeowns and both my cousins). Seen your messages and would love to contact you both. I remember grandad and uncles worked at JS.
Wed Nov 5 14:46:33 2008

Dewi Woodward, Treuddyn
Where are they now? Geoff Jones, Connahs Quay, & Roy Edwards of Flint, & Brian Harrismith of Mold, who worked with me, Dewi Woodward, in the B.C.S foundry 1957 to 1961. Would like to hear from you.
Wed Nov 5 08:40:48 2008

Graham Bellman - Buckley
Re note from Myles Povey (Feb 08), seems we were around the works at the same time, riding in various trucks. I remember a few of Parrys drivers; Jimmy, Malcolm, Emlyn who I recall was also the fitter for Parrys, also David who drove the ERF, and later we worked together at another local firm. I have a few photos of Parrys trucks if you are interested. Too right we would not get away with walking round the bays putting timber on coils to identify them to the crane drivers, no Hi Vis vests in those days. Bet you also spent hours in Tern Hill cafe, or giving the Shotton drivers lifts home from Whitchuch when they were on a night out. Happy days.
Mon Nov 3 09:16:57 2008

Jen Roberts, Australia
Does anyone remember my dad, Dave Ratcliffe, who worked in the hot strip mill until it closed in 1979? He loved the place! Alan Pearson, I was in school with you in Shotton and Ken Povey I remember you also. See your name a lot on the various pages.
Thu Oct 23 09:49:29 2008

Graham Harris (Warrington)
I was born in Garden City. When 16 started an engineering apprenticeship from 1968 to 1972. From there I worked in the General Engineering dept, worked there til 1976 when I moved to a new engineering job in Warrington. I had many relations work at John Summers, including my father, Jonathan, and my sister, Brenda.
Mon Oct 20 08:19:04 2008

Mansel Ingman, Buckley
I worked at the steelworks from 1962 to 1974 serving an engineering apprenticeship. I played crcket for the apprentices and would like to hear from anybody that remembers me.
Thu Oct 16 10:13:19 2008

Andy Tyson ex Connahs Quay
T C, yes I was there 22 years in the Cold Strip Mill (known as Fonz) but who are you as I can't guess from the initials sorry? I much prefer working on the railway and it seems a shame to think 13,000 men used to work there compared to current numbers? Peace love and happiness to all of you!
Thu Oct 16 10:00:42 2008

Ian Haigh, Heswall
I worked at Shotton in the late 70s as a junior op on the blast furnaces and remember well the story of George Jacob being told to me by men who knew him, he had become a bit of a legend by this time. The story was that he was working by the blast furnace skips (used to load iron ore and coke in the furnace) and may have slipped whilst clearing a blockage. If I was sent to work in that area I was always told to keep an eye out for George Jacob! Hope that's of some interest.
Wed Oct 15 10:00:47 2008

Steve Jones from Connah's Quay
For Jason Messham, hi your dad was best man at my wedding going back to 1972, also we all knocked around with Steve Faulkes, Elwyn Jones, Billy Butler, Eddie Davies, the preacher etc.
Thu Oct 9 13:36:56 2008

Phillip Davies, Torquay
Jean Thompson please please if you can help in any way about the death of my dad who was killed alongside your dad I would be forever in your debt.
Wed Oct 8 10:16:08 2008

Lisa Russell (Gardiner) from Shotton
Some interesting stories. My grandfather was at JS & Sons, and went missing in the early '60s (presumed in a furnace), his name was George Jacob. If anyone out there has any memories of him I'd be interested in hearing from you
Thu Sep 18 08:16:14 2008

Jacques Cartier, Cambridge
This article begins with the words "The effects Shotton Steelworks ... cannot be underestimated..." That sentence means the exact opposite of what the author thinks. If a thing cannot be underestimated, then any estimate would be an over estimate! What the author should say is that the effects cannot be overestimated. Thanks.
Mon Sep 15 08:25:59 2008

A Roscoe, AKA Rocky
Re Tom Barley, hell of a nice fella keep writing.Re Phil Sawyer, how about an invitation to stay, I could do with a cheap holiday. Re Jay Somerset, I used to work on the horizontal boring machines in the gen eng, and would walk the whole length of the bay to find big Tom to give me a lift because he could place the biggest loads with pinpoint accuracy onto the machined blocks, thereby saving me loads of spanner work and messing about unlike his counterpart lovingly called the Horse, and he made a great brew. Re billy bang bang, I turned the shackle pins for his home made side car, and he still owes me a pint. Ah well, no doubt I'll catch up with him one day, unlike Tim Summers for whom I bored out his kingpins for his classic sports car, him being a gentleman although he put the job and my time through the books, he came and thanked me personally and gave me 2s and 6d for my trouble when my wages were £3 17s 6d. This went down very well with the apps in the sports club. Well, enough rambling for one day. Anyone out there interested in writing a book? I thought we might call it 'foreigners wot i have done, all very discretely of course'.
Tue Sep 9 13:40:39 2008

Terry Roberts, Warrington
I joined the labs in 1966 and took a metallurgy diploma at Flintshire Tech. I was always grateful for the way the steelworks encouraged and funded my education. After leaving in 1980 I did 25 years with British Nuclear Fuels as a metallurgist and now do consultancy work.
Mon Sep 8 08:42:47 2008

David Roberts from Shotton
I worked in the labs from 1966, later at Shotwick. Very fond memories of the works and definitely the best place I have worked. The whole area had a community spirit that has been lost to the modern world. Whenever you met someone in the area, they would ask whether you knew so & so and you had to tell them there are 13,000 people there. Everyone seemed to either work there, know someone or provide a service to the works.
Thu Sep 4 08:04:10 2008

Phil Smith off Flint
Hiya Alan Pearson, nice to get a mention, as you say we had a good time in the traffic dept all those years ago. I still see Alan Bennett on a regular basis in the legion. He's still working on the post and is due to retire in about two years I think, he still hasn't spent any of his redundancy from the works! Good luck Al, I hope you are keeping well.
Mon Sep 1 08:57:46 2008

Alan Pearson, Connah's Quay
I worked at the steel works in 1965 to 1976 - traffic dpt. I have a drink with Charlie Jones, one of my foremen. Nice to see Phil Smith on this site. The good old days, great mates to work with. How is Alan Bennett?
Tue Aug 19 08:18:43 2008

Peter Chester from Shotton
To Louise Thomas nee Hodson. I remember Tommy Hodson from Green Lane. I was in school with one of his sons, Mike, who now lives two doors away from me. I will tell him to look on this site.
Sat Aug 16 15:10:56 2008

Bruce Towers
I was born in Alexdra Street in 1939 moved to Terrig Street 8 years later. There must something about Deeside in those days, look at the places around the world we have settled.
Fri Aug 8 10:19:15 2008

Eddie Newton
Re Alan Oortwyn, I remember your dad Jackie when I was a lad he used to take me eel fishing where Shotwick site was built. Then we would go to Land & Marine site hut where the MOD shooting range is now. He had a friend another Dutchman called Yan. If my memery serves me right both married local girls. To Gareth Wyn Moules the welder's name was Charles sorry cannot remember rest he came from Liverpool. I worked Marsh Fin/No3 melting shop/Security 1959 to 1994.
Mon Aug 4 10:23:36 2008

Louise Thomas nee Hodson
Hi does anyone remember my grandfather Thomas (Tom) Hodson? I'm not sure what department he worked in or what years he was there, think he worked there for about 40 years. He moved to Shotton from Wolverhampton with his father and 4 brothers and all believed to have worked there. He lived on Green Lane Shotton and had 8 children! Any help is much appricated as I am trying to look into my family history.
Wed Jul 30 11:14:00 2008

Gareth Wyn Moules
I was interested to read in the Evening Leader about the possible move of the statue, "The Steel Man" from the County offices in Mold to Deeside. I was an apprentice welder in the works in the early 70's and was sent to work with the sculptor [whose name now escapes me] at Shotwick when the statue was being commissioned. He allowed me to build up one of "Steely's" feet with weld before he put in the final touches. I believe one of the proposed sites is the top of Jubilee St. in Shotton. I used to live quite near there when I was an apprentice so it would evoke a few memories for me.
Fri Jul 25 08:13:16 2008

Peter Rixham, London
Fantastic reading - I was doing some research and this came up - very interesting indeed! Thank you.
Fri Jul 11 09:12:28 2008

Kay, Flinsthire
Message for Steve, Deeside. Hi Steve, Who was your grandmother Thomas? Was she Janet or Lily Thomas? I am doing my family tree so any info would be great! And if your grandad has any memories of Sam, I would be happy to hear them. Also, message for Steve Williams - I have a Rowden Peers on my family tree! Was your Rowden the son of Mary Thomas and Rowden Peers? Any info would be great!
Wed Jul 9 15:11:05 2008

Kristen King (nee Ovesen) from San Francisco, CA
Jonathan Aylen, I would be thrilled to receive a copy of "Construction of the Shotton Wide Strip Mill", Transactions of the Newcomen Society, vol.78, no1, February 2008, pp. 57-85 regarding my grandfather's role in the strip mill project. I would also like to be in touch with the person who corresponded with my grandfather when my grandparents lived in Poland, Ohio. I don't have any photos of their memorable garden, which was patterned after a well known garden in England and admired by my grandmother. I am one of the few direct descendents of Sir Henrik Ovesen and am very interested in our family's history. I'll eagerly await your reply.
Wed Jul 9 11:04:59 2008

Alan Chard, Chester
My grandfarther worked for JS&S at Shotton. His name was Walter Sidney Chard but was known as Tony. He came from Staffordshire in 1909 to work at Shotton as a shearer.
Mon Jun 16 08:24:48 2008

Cedric Bryant, Canberra, Australia
We are researching the family history of which part of it revolves round John Summers Steel Mills. My Mother's Sister, Letitia [we knew her as Auntie Tish] Jolley married Albert Jones [Uncle Ab] in 1921. They lived in Shotton. She was the daughter of Sidney John Jolley a career army officer. Uncle Ab worked at John Summers to my knowledge all his life. He took me on a tour of the works I think in about 1954/55. They had one daughter Marjorie who married a fellow in the RAF and was posted at one stage to Malta. Anyone that can throw any light on any of these relations would be great.
Fri May 30 08:17:55 2008

Bron Todd (Roberts) from Mold
Does anyone remember my dad, Crad Roberts, shunter in traffic dept between 1960 and 1970?
Thu May 29 08:56:26 2008

Colin from Flint
Does anyone know of the Dolman family from Deeside? Any comments appreciated.
Thu May 22 07:51:42 2008

Janet Tildesley from Moffat in Scotland
My aunt, Helen (k/a Nellie) Birks (from Buckley), worked as a secretary at the Steelworks for many years. She was secretary to a Mr Stobart. Any recollections of my aunt would be greatly appreciated.
Mon May 19 08:49:07 2008

Jonathan Aylen
If Kristen King (nee Ovesen) from California would like to get in touch I'll send a copy of "Construction of the Shotton Wide Strip Mill", Transactions of the Newcomen Society, vol.78, no.1, February 2008, pp. 57-85 which discusses the role of her grandfather in the wide strip mill project. He moved there because the head of Mesta came from Schleswig-Holstein and so was a fellow Dane. I can also put her in touch with someone who corresponded with him when he moved to Poland, Ohio and has photos of his back garden there! I have been trying to track down his descendants without success.
Wed Apr 23 08:22:04 2008

David Davies from Chester
Does anybody have any information, number of cars, photographs etc of the red Minis which were used by staff to get around the steelworks site? These cars were some of the first Minis to be manufactured in 1959.
Tue Apr 22 11:13:35 2008

Richie Pemberton
Me old man, Jack Pemberton, (wacker) as he was known was a plumber in the west end bays as far as I remember. Myself, worked in the power house for some time in the early '70s.
Mon Apr 7 10:01:11 2008

Steve, Deeside
To Kay from Flintshire. Hi Kay. My grandad remembers Samuel Garner, I think we are related through my great grandmother Thomas from Connahs Quay.
Tue Apr 1 10:08:04 2008

Steve Williams
To Peter Rixham. Hi Peter, Sam Thomas was my grandad's uncle as my grandad worked in the foundry, moulding. His name is Rowden Peers, he has fond memories of working at Shotton Steel.
Mon Mar 31 10:25:20 2008

Chrissy & Jen Blythin
Does anyone remember Phil Blythin - our father? He worked at Shotton Steelworks in the '70s. He retires this April, and it would be great to surprise him with news from anyone who remembers him. Many thanks.
Fri Mar 28 14:49:49 2008

Netta Rowlands, Northop
I was brought up next door to Lower Soughton Hall and Mrs Reith Gray was so kind to us. Stephan Gray died and I don't know about Robin, but Miss Anne had four girls and a boy and she lives in the Ceiriog valley near Chirk, I'm sure she would love to meet you, so when you come over please get in touch and we will meet up and visit her. I have had a lot to do with her over the years through the riding for the disabled, she was the pioneer in that field in North Wales.
Tue Mar 11 09:35:49 2008

Dilys Jones from Hawarden
For Monique Roscher (nee Sheldon).
I lived next door to your grandparents at Brookside with my mother, Alice Coppack. I remember your grandparents, they were lovely people and I also remember them going to live in Australia. It was great to see your name after all these years. Best regards.
Mon Mar 10 09:21:06 2008

Darren Peacock
Hi, good comments on Shotton steel works. My grandad used to work in the scarfing bay or slab mill (Joseph Andrew), nickname Gypsy Jo, did anyone know him? He passed on in 1977. I have worked there on fire and security in 1999 but would have loved to work there in its hey day.
Fri Feb 29 15:12:37 2008

Jean Thompson from Rhyl
To Mrs Davies From Torquay, my dad Joseph Davies was killed in the same accident as your husband. Unfortunately I have no details of the accident itself but I have a newspaper cutting in my possession. If you want to get in touch please do so.
Tue Feb 26 09:31:18 2008

J Jones, C Quay
F Knox, have spoken to T Boden and if you let us know when you are in this area we will meet you.
Mon Feb 25 09:10:05 2008

Myles Povey from Shotton (originally)
Just found this site and was reading a comment from an ex shoney driver called Graeme Bellingham. My dad is Emlyn Povey for the Alf Parry squadron and I am/was the boy who used to load the trailers in the very early '80s after school. I used to run around, in school uniform, the loading bays finding coils and putting the wood on top for the crane driver. Try doing that now, eh! Dad would love to chat to those who remember him.
Fri Feb 22 10:43:27 2008

Jack Jones, C Quay
To F Knox, I will contact J Lloyd @ T Bowden and get their thoughts on meeting up and will let you know via this site.
Thu Jan 31 08:20:04 2008

Fred Knox B.E.M
To Jack Jones, Connah's Quay. We must try and meet up in the near future, as you say we could always meet in a "telephone box". It would be great just to meet and have a good old chat, how about meeting in a local pub or the likes, a date and time could then be arranged via this site.
Wed Jan 30 09:16:18 2008

Jack Jones from C Quay
F Knox BEM, The only plumbers still with us are J Lloyd from Buckley, T Bowden from Q ferry and myself. We would not require a big hall for a reunion, would we?
Mon Jan 28 09:05:19 2008

John Lloyd, Connah's Quay
Does anyone out there remember the Cotterills from Garden City who used to work in the works? Ben, Bill, Fred, Harry, Frank, any recollections would be nice...
Wed Jan 23 10:08:14 2008

Flynn late off Flint
Fred Dolman; Well, Fred I did 42yrs chasing furnaces Cairo to Capetown, Denmark to Dudley. Built 'em all, couldn't tell the ups from the downs, still some fun along the way. Anyway, when I stopped I thought Flint was a bit too rich for me so I went up road a bit to MOLD! Well, I can still visit.
Tue Jan 15 07:58:06 2008

Fred Dolman, South Australia
Flynn late off Flint, Pat like all people lots of ups and downs but still in good health & enjoying a few beers and a glass or 2 of good SA wine. What part of the country do you live in now? Do you still dress well? Good to hear from you and a Happy New Year, Fred.
Mon Jan 14 09:31:01 2008

Alan Oortwyn
Geoff Strefford :- Thank you for the link, the years just rolled back seeing that photo. I remember you very well and all the others in the picture, I have very fond memories of that time, it was good to have had that time with my dad. Sadly I would imagine most of them are no longer with us.
Mon Jan 14 09:20:19 2008

Peter Rixham, Shotton
What a joy to behold reading all the chat about Shotton and the steelworks. I started in 1947 in the top yard packing shop, Sam Thomas was the manager, his right hand man was Alf Duffield. Started on the clock on the moon machine and the circle m/c. Then took a staff job in the shipping office as tea boy. Edwin Davies was the boss and George Mciver. Served 3 years in the RAF in Malta and middle east, and returned to the works as a weighmaster on the hot mill,then foreman in the slab yard, and ended up as shift manager on the slab mill, ko in 1980 with the rest of the lads, ended up as thk/manager of Chester town hall.Best days of my life in the works, no dog eat dog, it was help each other all the time and it was without doubt the good old days, hard, dirty, poor pay, but still a lot better than life today.
Wed Jan 9 15:26:33 2008

Fred Knox B.E.M
Message for Jack Jones, Connahs Quay, please contact me via this site. Kindest regards, Fred.
Wed Jan 9 10:02:13 2008

Allen formerly from Mancot
Does anyone remember the graphite floating in the air, furnaces being tapped, molten metal breaking out under the furnaces, climbing into hot ladles to get the metal out, fire engines being called (send all you have got), and many more. How did we survive? Where are we? Of course, the casting bay.
Tue Jan 8 13:41:35 2008

Fred Knox B.E.M
Message for Jack Jones. In reply to your letter dated 22 Oct 07, thanks for the info, next time I am around the area I will make contact. Are you in contact with the other "plumbers" you mentioned in your letter? As most of the comments relating to JS&S they were the good old days.
Mon Jan 7 12:21:37 2008

Flynn late of Flint
To Fred Dolman, got it in one pal, forty seven years, well I hope they've been good 'uns! Well happy new year and plenty of um goog luck Freddy!
Mon Jan 7 11:36:56 2008

Kay, Flinsthire
Does anyone remember Samuel Garner from Garden City who worked at the steelworks from mid 30s until about the 60s? Also, does anyone have an idea where I can find out information on what jobs people had in the works as I haven't been able to get much information from Corus. My great-grandfather, Samuel Charles Garner, also worked in the works from about the early 1900s and was apparently a big trade union person and I am trying to find out some info about this also. Any information would be gratefully received.
Thu Jan 3 09:31:57 2008

Fred Dolman from South Australia
To Flynn late of Flint. I only remember Pat Flynn. It's been 47 years, please enlighten me. Fred Dolman
Mon Dec 31 09:35:31 2007

Flynn Late Off Flint
Freddie Dolman - that's a blast form the past!
Mon Dec 24 09:35:39 2007

Phil Smith from Flint
Hi Chris Jones, Please pass on my regards to your mum who I met when I worked for the Brittannic Assurance when I finished at the works. Your Dad introduced me when I was collecting at their house in Mancot. It is almost thirty years ago but she may remember. I played for the apprentices in the Flintshire youth league 1966/67 although at the time I was a Junior Op. Mr Norbury ran the team and he would always get me time off to play whenever it was required. Some of the apprentice names I remember from those days are Brian Massey, Steve Roberts, Alan Webb and Keith Wilson. There was also a lad named Graham Jones who played for a short while before leaving and going on to play centre half for Wrexham. Great days!
Fri Dec 21 14:09:51 2007

Chris Jones, ex-Mancot
Thank you Phil Smith for your comments about my dad. My sister has printed it off for mum who will truly enjoy reading it. As for his football days, I played for Summer's Apprentices from '60 - '65 and was actually signed by Holywell Town for a season purely on the strength of being "Charlie Jones' lad". Never got a game though!
Thu Dec 20 16:41:47 2007

Simon Peters, Chester
Does anyone remember my dad, Joe (Joseph) Peters, an instrument mechanic in 1958, think he worked there 50s and 60s, maybe even earlier? Married my mum, nee Williams, when employed there.
Thu Dec 20 11:32:20 2007

Apprentice Boilermaker '77-'81
Re Allan Robinson. Being an Apprentice between 1977-81 I remember Mr Mitchell who passed away in early 1980 during the strike when the apprentices tributed £5 a week to the strike fund and were given a chit to get past the Pickets daily on the Marsh Rd. Glad to say I am still there. I bet an awful lot has changed since then.
Mon Dec 17 08:21:17 2007

Phil Smith from Flint
Worked in JS&S from leaving school in 1965 until 1980. I didn't realise it at the time but it was the best job I ever had. Worked in the traffic department (shunting) for most of the time. There were some great characters there and we would have some great laughs. Recognise some of the names on this site. Worked with Chris Jones's dad Charlie when I was a young kid, he was one of the nicest men you could ever meet. I played a lot of local soccer and Charlie would always reminisce about the times that he had played for Flint Town. I remember the streets of Flint being packed with men waiting for the bus to go into work at 05:00, 13:00 and 21:00 hrs on their respective shifts. As someone has previously stated we thought we had a job for life but the Tory axe put an end to that. Nice to read so many people posting about the old days!
Mon Dec 17 08:01:20 2007

BD off Flint
Andrew Tyson and Elvis Snicker were the reason the steelworks was one of the funniest places you could ever work. Andrew (aka the Fonz) was a crane driver in the cold mill and Snicker was on transport. And you could tell by their nicknames what type of characters they were. You could fill a book on what the Fonz used to get up to and is still remembered riding his bike home in just his underpants in the pouring rain to keep his pants and top dry in a carrier bag!
Fri Dec 14 08:27:04 2007

Jay, Somerset
Bill Tyrrell. Thanks Bill, never thought of trying TGW, will give it a go, thanks for the info. I do have a couple of photos which may be of interest to you all. I will add to this site ASAP. Cheers.
Wed Dec 12 10:47:07 2007

TC off Flint
I met Andy Tyson on Chester Railway Station the other week. Do you remember him?
Wed Dec 12 08:46:47 2007

Buckley
Nice to read some of the comments. I worked in the works for about 10 years with fond memories of all there. I worked for J. Shones then on the shunting for about 5 years before moving on to Shell Bitumen. All the best to everyone. Elvis Snicker.
Mon Dec 10 15:05:33 2007

Bill Tyrrell
Jay Somerset, I worked with your grandad 'Big Tom' in the general engineering in the 60s. He was a very popular man and shop steward with a great sense of humour. He was a Slinger in the Top Yard GenEnge, maybe TGW Union may have photos.
Mon Dec 10 14:15:49 2007

Peter Wright
The General Office celebrates its centenary in 2008.
Mon Dec 10 08:10:10 2007

Jay, Somerset
My Grandad and Dad worked at Shotton Steel, my grandad was involved with the union during the 70s, his name was Tom Roberts, also known as Big Tom. Does anybody have any memories of him or any photos?
Fri Dec 7 13:20:19 2007

Geoff in Connah's Quay
Message for Kelvin Povey. Hi Kelvin, you can get my number from the Deeside phone directory.
Thu Dec 6 13:30:01 2007

Fred Dolman, Australia
Hello Holywell Girl, Yes I do remember that night, how could I forget! Spoke to June last night, she now lives in Chester and sends regards. It's amazing that the event was over 50 years ago and we can still remember it. It was nice to hear from you and have a good Xmas.
Wed Dec 5 07:58:43 2007

Michael Hunt from Chester
Does anyone remember my dad, Philip Hunt, who worked for about 10 years on the blast furnace in the 60s? He lived in Kingsway Chester but his family originate from Newtown Chester (Tower Street).
Fri Nov 30 16:25:38 2007

Holywell girl
Freddy Dolman, Australia, do you remember we couldn't get on the Ritz bus to Rhyl one Christmas Eve. We went four of us in a little two-seater MG. Freddy's feet were sticking out of the back window. He was tall.
Wed Nov 21 10:03:38 2007

Graham Bellman, Buckley
Whilst I didn't work at Shotton, I worked for one of the many hauliers that carried steel products from the works. I worked for J. Shone & Sons, Buckley, and remember being in the works between 1976 and 1985. The drivers from Shones were Tommy Wilson, Ken "Snicker" Peers, Brian "Curly" Hughes, Trevor Antrobus, James "Jimmy" Shone, all great characters, along with drivers from Alf Parry, George Mayers, Harris, Linfields, Waltons, Burnholme (Hardshoulder Haulage!) Springfield etc etc. I recall good fun things like "Check Weighs" at the weighbridge, fantastic breakfasts in the canteens, having to look for coils in the bays and putting wood on the top to identify them for the crane driver...happy days...now I drive a desk! Any photos of these hauliers trucks would be great.
Wed Nov 21 09:43:46 2007

Tom Barley, Cadole, Mold
To Denise Lloyd, Chester; I remember "Billy Bang Bang" very well. It was said that in his younger days that he was a lumberjack in Canada, with his very bushy beard he certainly looked like one. I remember him as a welder in the cold strip mill in the C.A. bay. He once repaired a broken handle of my mum's sewing machine. They say that you can't weld cast iron but Billy did. The one story that I remember of him was...Being a welder he made a small sidecar to go onto the B.S.A. Bantam motorbike that he used to come to work on. It only had a wooden box fitted to it to transport his guns and his dog when he went shooting on the marsh of Neston. Anyway, one cold winter's morning he was coming to work on the outfit and being a cold morning with just a couple of feet of mist on the marsh road he climbed into the sidecar and used his hand to change the gears, he was going along very well until a car came from the other direction, Billy ducked his head down as the car went by giving the driver a terrible fright. The incident was reported to security as there being a riderless motorcycle going like a bat out of hell across the marsh! Mr Knight, security (Mr McKay the prison officer in Porridge must have been modelled on him) knew exactly who was to blame but couldn't prove it. I'm sure there are lots more stories of Billy, a great character like so many at Shotton.
Tue Nov 20 08:51:02 2007

Phil Williams, Houston,Texas
I joined J.S.& S as a commercial trainee in 1968. I remember Paul Adamson as we were in the same intake that year. I hope you are doing OK Paul. I left in 1978 and have lived in Houston, Texas, since 1998. I worked in the Cold Strip Mill, Marsh Mill, and then on the project team that built the colorcoat line. I also helped to run the football team with Alun Evans and Vince Chesters. I enjoyed my time there, and a lot of my family, including my father Bert Williams, also worked there most of their lives.
Tue Nov 20 08:40:26 2007

Geoff Strefford from Connah's Quay
Jackie Oortwyn. If you visit the Welsh Crown Green Bowls website wcgba.com, (images, memories of Connah's Quay Bowls Club) you will see a picture of Jackie and his son in the Quay crown green bowls team circa 1968.
Thu Nov 15 08:49:58 2007

Denise Lloyd, Chester
My dad Wilfred Lloyd known as Bill or Bang Bang, used to work at Shotton Steel works in the cold strip mill as a welder, his friend was Ronnie Moulton from Flint. Does anyone remember him? He died in 1999 from Ellesmere Port. He used to shoot and fish. Please reply if you have any stories to tell, he was made redundant in 1976 or there about.
Mon Nov 12 09:26:32 2007

Davies, Torquay
Can anyone please remember my husband who was killed whilst working at Shotton? He was killed by a train on a crossing there on December 18 1960. Any help will really be appreciated to pass on to my children. His name was William Davies from Wrexham. Thanking you in anticipation.
Mon Nov 5 14:31:14 2007

David Allen from Bedfordshire
To DC from Flint. Thanks for your message in August, regarding the Faulkner family. Yes, my mum Rita (now widowed), used to live in Kings Road, with her dad Arthur and mum Doris. We moved down here when my dad got a job transfer from Vauxhalls in Ellesmere Port. My mum is delighted at your response and would like to get in touch. Email me direct if you prefer. The web team have my address. Thanks
Wed Oct 24 10:36:53 2007

Sue Jones from Chester
My Dad worked at John Summers from 1935 until 1980 when he was made redundant. His name was Joe Harrison. His father and his grandfather moved from the West Midlands to work at Shotton. There were other Harrison family members who also worked there. Does anyone recall them please?
Wed Oct 24 08:58:27 2007

Jack Jones, Connah's Quay
Message for Freddie Knox: We might be a bit thin on the ground for a reunion. As far as I know, sadly only three plummers are still around. Johnny Lloyd from Buckley, Davey Ellis from Wrexham and Jack Jones from Connah's Quay. I remember you serving your time and leaving to go in the airforce. Look me up if you're down this way.
Mon Oct 22 08:34:05 2007

Mike Lamb
To James Messham of Flint, I remember Richard (Dickie) Messham, and his brother Haydyn Messham. I worked in the steelworks myself and went to the same scool as Richard and Haydyn. We were all keen anglers and the last time I saw Haydyn, he was working in Deeside Fishing Tackle, Shotton.
Mon Oct 1 08:18:12 2007

Fred Dolman, Australia (formerly Flint)
My grandad Tom Jones from Flint received his gold watch after 50 years' service in 1954. My father Fred Dolman and his brothers Phil & Len all worked in the steelworks. I was in the second junior operatorative scheme 1956 after the six months training. I worked in the BCS then later worked for contractors Holsts before migrating to Australia in 1960. Remember the steelworks well.
Mon Sep 24 09:07:25 2007

Paul Adamson from Chester
To Allen formally from Mancot – I worked at John Summers & Sons on leaving school from 1968 to 1973. I was a Commercial Trainee and was employed on attachment in offices all over the works. One of my jobs in 1970 was collecting the record cards of the ingots/slabs rolled in the Slab Mill and collating them. These were completed by the operators and stored in 'The Pulpit'. The men there worked shifts and I worked days so I got to know most of them by sight and of course we would chat occasionally. They only got 15 minutes break during the shift for 'snappin' so it is not too hard to understand why many a sandwich was taken back home uneaten! Particularly at busy times and there was always the bonus to worry about. By modern standards it was a dark, filthy, dangerous place but it fostered many interesting characters. I remember a 'Tom' who was the turn manager – was he your granddad I wonder? Interesting he and a number of others in 'The Pulpit' had a big Pools win about that time. Their syndicate had used a 'Sun Plan' and they all later featured in that national paper when the news broke. I remember the organiser handing out the individual cheques to the participants – they were all congregated in 'The Pulpit' at the time. Not retirement money but certainly enough to make life a lot more comfortable. There was a story circulating that a crane driver had pulled out of the Pools collection only the week before – but I don't know whether this was true. I often wonder what happened to them all – happy days.
Thu Sep 13 15:07:28 2007

Luke McLoughlin's wife
Regarding your question "Dot", I remember Luke well as I was married to him 30 years. Anything else you want to know?
Thu Sep 13 08:26:16 2007

Kelvin Povey
I spent some time in Connah's Quay as a youngster and went to school with Geoff Peters, and we later worked together at the steelworks and I lost touch with him prior to the closure of the melting shop. Can you put me in touch with him?
Wed Sep 12 08:27:40 2007

Allan Fellows, ex Northopian
To Kristen King, the address which you have for the Gray family is incorrect. They lived in Lower Soughton Hall (aka Lower Sychdyn Hall) in Northop, North Wales - but the family no longer live there. I believe that the Hall is now owned by Michael Owen, the Newcastle and England footballer.
Mon Sep 10 09:37:09 2007

Geraldine Coombs, Manchester
I am searching for anyone who worked at Shotton Steelworks in the 1950s or 1960s who can help me with information about asbestos being used in furnaces there. I am searching as well for anyone who knew the late Mr Grenville Howarth who worked at Shotton steelworks in 1957-1968 for Holst & Co in the 'black gang' clearning up debris from men who had knocked out blast furnaces. I am writing on behalf of his widow Jean Howarth. Thanks for your help.
Thu Sep 6 13:04:09 2007

DC from Flint
Hi David Allen, Bedfordshire. Did your grandad live in Kings Rd, Connahs Quay? I remember we lived over the road from a Mr and Mrs Faulkner, they had a daughter called Rita. They were a lovely family.
Wed Aug 15 10:03:55 2007

Kristen King (nee Ovesen) from California, U.S.A.
My grandfater, Henrik Ovesen, worked for John Summers and Sons during WWII. He was an engineer and designed and oversaw construction of the mills in England as the war approached. He was a very close friend of Reith and Catherine Gray. Reith Gray worked for John Summers as did Lord Richard - also a friend of my grandfather. I do not remember Lord Richard's family name. The last address I have for Reith and Catherine Gray is: Lower Sutton, Northop, Mold, Flintshire, North Wales. He also had a hunting lodge in Aberdeen and a flat in London. I am searching for the family. The Grays had several children and grandchildren. A son was named Stephen and, I believe, lived in London. The last time I saw the Gray family was 1963. The Grays were elderly, but I'm certain that family members remain. I am coming to England this fall and want very much to locate them. Is there anyone who can help? I'd be most grateful.
Mon Aug 13 10:42:48 2007

Allen formally from Mancot
Does anyone remember Tom Nichols (my grandad)? He worked in the slab mill in the pulpit in the 50s and 60s before he retired. He use to bring home his "snappin" home, did not have time to eat it. He also lived in Mancot.
Tue Aug 7 10:15:29 2007

Patricia Lomax
Would anyone remember or be able to confirm my grandmother Emily Jane Lomax working as a manageress in the canteen at the steelworks? She died in 1969 so I'm guessing she worked there in the 50s and 60s (possibly 40s). Thanks.
Fri Aug 3 08:44:27 2007

Paul Clays from Wrexham
I worked at the coke ovens from 1975 to 1981 when they finally closed. My father Ken woked at the sister plant up until closer. I remember those times well and made many good friends there. For many it was the only job they had ever done finding it hard to go out into the very depressed job market at the time. Does any ony have any photos of the coke ovens as I am finding it hard to track any down?
Mon Jul 30 07:45:25 2007

T.C. Flint
To Bryan, there is a photo of Don Evans on another page on this site. It is about Taffy Evans's crew breaking a shift record on the temper mills. If you need more info leave a message.
Tue Jul 24 08:56:54 2007

Jackie / Jans Oortwyn
My dad, Jackie Oortwyn, worked in the steel works for contractors Land & Marine, he came from Holland after the war and worked all over the steelworks until his death in 1977. My brother, Jans Oortwyn, started as a Junior Op in the early 60s and eventually was employed in the Hot Mill. He was killed on his way home just before Christmas 1975 after a roll broke on his afternoon shift and the shift was sent home early. It would be great to hear from anyone who remembers either my dad or brother and has memories from their steelworking days, and, I know it's a lot to hope for...but if anyone has any photos they could forward a copy to me I would be very grateful. Also hello to anyone who remembers me (Alan) from the short time I spent there in the Slab Mill.
Fri Jul 20 12:23:51 2007

Derek Harmes off Flint
Hi Jacinto, Rouly Bonner is a friend and neighbour. I saw him today he remembers you well. Best wishes, DerekH
Thu Jul 12 09:43:26 2007

Geoff from Chester
I worked in the steelworks from 1962 for about 8 years. After joining the "Junior operative scheme" I worked in the BCS until I eventually became a crane driver. Many happy memories of my time there.
Mon Jul 9 08:44:02 2007

Glyn Cooper, Connah's Quay
Hi, my late grandfather John Griffith Jones worked at Shotton from 1936 to 1976 in the old marsh department working the hand mills. I've been lucky to work with some people who remember him fondly as "Johny Northop", a real character by all accounts. He always had a story to tell about the good old days at Shotton. He lived in a cottage on the top of Mold Road as a young man and used to walk to work and back from there! I remember him telling me that work was slack at one time so he and his friend George Henshaw rode to Liverpool Docks on their pushbikes one day looking for work nowadays that would be considered a days work in itself! I would love to hear from anyone who worked with him or knew of him. He is very sadly missed.
Mon Jul 2 08:35:05 2007

Mary Williams, Rhyl
Re HENRY SUMMERS (LONDON). My Father was a manager at Summers. My parents went to Peter's wedding and I used to go to Cornist Hall to play with Judith. What relation is she to you?
Mon Jun 4 08:02:44 2007

Jacinto
I live in Argentina. I try to find the address of ROULY BONNER who worked in Shotton.
Tue May 29 09:08:00 2007

Dot from Connah's Quay
My grandad worked in the steelworks - Luke Mcloughlin. He was one of the leaders of the march in London against its closure. Anyone remember him?
Wed May 16 08:15:33 2007

Rosemary Collins nee Jones, Kinnerton
My dad, Emlyn Jones, worked in the Cold Stripmill for over 25 years. My sisters Aileen and Marilyn and myself all worked in the punch room. When dad died the company employed my mother in the catering department. What a brilliant place it was in the days of John Summers and Sons, a real family based company, not only a good place to work but the social facilities would take some beating today as we were lucky enough to have a bowling green, putting green, tennis courts, and outdoor swimming pool to cool off in during the summer. The punch room consisted of 32 girls and one supervisor. That would be a challenge today. Good old Mrs Moore. And I, along with Pauling Walker, arranged a very successful reunion 2 years ago in the John Summers sports and social club. And the office Christmas parties - well...
Thu May 10 08:46:14 2007

Derek Roy Griffiths
After Deeside Mod School. Worked S.S.W [J.S&S]. Went on OUTWARD BOUND Course no. 42 Then N.S. in R.Signals in Cyprus. Back to J.S&S but left after got married. Now retired and single. Did you know me?
Thu May 3 16:21:16 2007

Dominic Black
I would be very interested if anyone remembers any information regarding the Fox family who farmed at Ferrybank farm Sealand. I believe another part of the family also ran a brewery in about 1850 and supplied local pubs.
Mon Apr 30 07:53:38 2007

Jason Messham from Flint
My grandad was Horace Messham from Shotton. He worked as a chargehand on C rota as a bricksetter in the blast furnace.My dad Richard Messham, also from Shotton, worked there as an electician's mate. Does anyone remember them?
Thu Apr 26 07:31:18 2007

Dave Evans, Wrexham
For Bryan Dixon, Flint: Bryan, I have only just read your message and it was really nice and brought back memories of my dad Don, 73 crane, the Mill and the years and times he worked at Shotton. I showed my kids the message and we had a laugh and a tear. My dad loved working in Shotton and always said it was the workers who made it great. I sometimes went down with him for his wages and he showed me parts of the works and I remember the articulated buses. It was a sad time when he, like many workers, were made redundant. By chance I found his crane driver's Code of Conduct book today which includes hand signs and details for riggers and slingers dated 1963. So I thought I'd just return your kind message, all the best mate to you and your family and to all the ex-Shotton workers, you must all have fond memories which we need to record for the historic record. Best wishes Dave Evans and family.
Tue Apr 24 08:44:32 2007

Cyril Dodd, Australia
My father worked in The Strip Mill as a welder, Arthur Dodd, also my brother as a crane driver. Does any one remember them?
Mon Apr 23 09:15:42 2007

Sue from Connahs Quay
My father worked as a crane driver, Malcolm Morris, he is 74 now, always talks about the good old days at the steelworks. Does anyone remember him?
Thu Apr 12 12:18:05 2007

Brian Leighton off Flint
I used to work on the pickle line 1976-80. Tom Prichard was the manager. I put the button in one night as Tom had fallen over. I took him to his office and cleaned him up. There was no medical kit, so I ripped the pull down towel to wipe away the blood, which oozed from a gaping hole in his nose and called the ambulance. A week later I was called to the office, he said sit down, he said I have got to suspend you for 3 days for ripping the towel. Ha, ha. I could not believe it. I thought he was going to thank me. Good days, made a lot of friends, miss them all. Does anyone remember this story? True as the day is long.
Tue Apr 10 09:20:46 2007

Paul off Flint
I worked in the sister plant for many parts of the blast furance from 1976 / 1980. My father worked in the stripmill, his name was Tommy Leighton. He stated before the war and after until 1980 so he put is time and got the watch.
Mon Apr 2 09:16:58 2007

Bryan Dixon, Flint
To Dave Evans. I used to work with your dad in the 70s. He was the driver of Crane number 73. He use to tell brilliant stories and jokes. They were great times and I always have a thought for the likes of your dad and other crane drivers and slingers when I walk down 7 Bay, which is a lot quieter now that all the mills have been dismantled.
Mon Apr 2 08:10:22 2007

Phill Davies, Torquay
Re Lindsay Norval. My sincere apologies to you, long time but just realised you have submitted a message.
Mon Apr 2 08:03:59 2007

Phil Davies
My dad William Davies was killed in a railcrash nr Shotton Steelworks in Dec 1960. He was in a coach on his way to work Dec 18th 1960 when a train crashed into the coach on a level crossing killing two people both called Davies. I was born in Wrexham Trevalyn Hospital and would love to find out about my dad.
Fri Mar 30 08:26:51 2007

Tom Barley, Cadole, Mold
To Henry Summers, London. Further to my earlier memories, JS&S was a good company to work for I went on an Outward Bound course in Eskdale Cumberland as did a lot of the young lads in the steelworks. It was four weeks of hard graft, cold showers at 07:00 hrs in FEB! Celebrated my 18th birthday in the Wasdale Head Hotel but no alchohol - the rules were very strict. We had one instructor who was one of the Summers family. He was a great guy. Do you know which of your family he is? As well as your gradfather everyone was always pleased to se Mr Peter & Mr Tim whenever they came around the mill.
Mon Mar 12 08:58:21 2007

Charlotte Dawson (11)
My grandad worked in Shotton Steelworks and it's good to see what a massive success it was.
Thu Mar 8 08:45:18 2007

Vicky Perfect
To Henry Summers from London, you should feel very proud of what your grandfather achieved. My father was a packer leader at Summers and Sons (Frank Aldridge - Sandy to his friends) I don't recall him ever saying a bad thing about Summer's although I am sure the work was very hard. I have a good picture of Cornist Hall when your family owned it which says Henry's new home on it. I would be willing to send you a copy if you have not already got one. I am a local historian and have studied this area for over 30 years. Summers played a big, big part in the development of the area, from the nail industry in Stafford which encouraged people to move to this area to the production of steel. Feel proud your family played such a big part in the development of Flintshire.
Thu Mar 1 08:30:10 2007

Tom Barley Cadole Mold
I was born in Shotton. Both my grandfather and father worked for J.S & S. During their employment they were both "Rollers", my father on the reversing mill in the cold strip mill. I started work in the mill on my 16th birthday in 1957 and worked with some of the best men in Deeside: Jack Middleton, Ken Peters, Shilling Roberts, Sid Norwood, Tiny Bennett, Frank Roberts, Taffy Evans, Aubry Pearson, Bernard Butler and Jack Leonard to name just a few. I left in 1969 to work in the petro chemical industry and worked my way around the world. But once a Shotton lad...
Thu Feb 15 12:08:16 2007

Henry Summers from London
My Grandfather was "Dick" Summers. I am the son of Mark. I keep in regular touch with Peter, Tim and Bill as well. I have wonderful memories of great holidays staying at the "Hall". I loved the Works and the steam engines, and have inherited my Grandfather's enthusiasm for all things steam. I was greatly saddened when JS&S was nationalised. There is one name that always comes up and thiat is Georgie "Mendit". Anyway, a grteat site and really enjoyed reading all the stories. From what I can gather my Grandfather was a good employer who cared about his employees. I recall his memorial service and the tremendous turnout of staff both retired and current. I am proud to be part of the history of Shotton.
Wed Feb 14 10:44:47 2007

Fred Knox, Carlisle
Hi Gang, I served my time at JS & Sons, I was in the building dept. My trade was a plumber. The dept was managed by a chap called Frank Cotterill, Ernie Oxton was the charge hand plumber. My time was from 1951/57, then I joined up for NS which lasted 32 years in the RAF. I would love to get back to my old village of Hawarden and have a "get together" with all the old gang. Local fireman in the village also a keen member of the scout movement under Mr & Mrs Bonnewll. I worked for 12 months in Garden City, carrying out various plumbing task, talk about happy time. Has any one tried to get a reunion going for the Building Dept? I know we had quite a number of apprentices at the time, my brother Allan also served his time there in the top yard fitting shop.
Mon Jan 29 09:58:25 2007

Julie Maddock (Frizzle)
My dad worked in the steel works from the age of 14 and retired in 1998, he was there for 46 years, am interested to here from anyone who knows him? (Geoff Frizzle) Also my uncle, Arthur Frizzle, and my grandad, Arthur Frizzle, and uncle Tom Frizzle and their family.
Thu Jan 18 15:30:06 2007

Tina, Midlands
My grandad, Don Roscoe worked at Shotton steelworks up until government intervention and redundancy forced him and many, many Quay men out of a job. Would be interested to hear from anyone who remembers my grandad.
Fri Jan 12 10:39:08 2007

Sam Evans, Connahs Quay
My grandad used to work in the works as a driver he was also Sam Evans. He built a boat which was in the works news paper in about 1972. I am happy to report my grandad is still well and so is the boat. I would love to hear from anyone who remembers him or the boat.
Fri Jan 5 09:33:24 2007

Monique Roscher (nee Sheldon)
My Grandfather, Frank Cotterill, was a Manager of the Steel works and I think most members of my family (my Nana was Emma Cotterill, nee Jones) worked there. My father, Bill Sheldon worked there. I have fond memories of Grandie taking us to the Manager's pool and to play putt putt near the offices. On many Sunday afternoons we would stroll along the riverbank. I know the Steel Works was my grandfather's life. He retired at age 65 and he and Emma joined us in Western Australia in 1977. He died 6 weeks after their arrival.
Tue Dec 12 08:02:33 2006

Nev George, Mynydd Isa
With regard to the comments by Wyn Jones, Shotton, I played cricket for the steelworks for a number of years. We did have a reunion a few years ago and are due again next year.
Thu Nov 30 16:07:55 2006

Keith Marsh
I escaped in 1986 and moved to America.
Mon Nov 20 10:23:35 2006

brenda morgan
My dad worked in the steel work 1914-1965.I have been looking at the photo,s and have just seen him in the canteen.He died in 1971.
Thu Nov 16 12:05:31 2006

Ken Povey, Connah's Quay
I remember being at Deeside secondary modern school in the late 50s to early 60s and wondering why I should try and do my best. Everyone at that time who had fathers working at Summers had their name put down at the age of about 11 or 12 to carry on in the steel works. The first 6 months was a holiday because we wandered round the works in groups of 5 or 6 and we were called "junior operatives". We had to stay in each department for approx 1 week and at the end of our time of wandering we were asked to select which department we wanted to work in...3 choices were asked for and nobady e! ver got their first choice...memories.
Tue Nov 14 13:45:35 2006

The name Shotton Steelworks
The name Shotton Steelworks was derived originally because the main entrance and the main offices (postal address) was within the borders of Shotton. This was before the "back road entrance".
Fri Nov 10 14:08:09 2006

Povey twin from Prestatyn
As far as I can remember, the works were called Shotton steelworks. I worked in no 3, as did my father (Harold) for 48 years, as well as my grandfather (Bob). His father was one of those who originally came from Stalybridge. I went there as junior op in 1963, but what wonderful times, hard very hot, dangerous, but what good mates, hope whoever is left are all well.
Fri Nov 10 12:21:57 2006

wynjones shotton
has any past members of shotton steel works cricket team 1968-1980 got any team photos and would they be interested in a reunion
Fri Nov 3 07:36:54 2006

Tony Jackson
I worked in the Traffic Department from 1960 until 1980, I live in Connah's Quay.
Wed Oct 18 13:44:38 2006

Mike George, Hawarden
My Uncle and Aunt, Peter and Freda Bailey, worked in the offices 1945-1970 ish.
Mon Oct 9 10:04:03 2006

June Moseley ( Mostyn) now New Zealand
Louise Watch, Kent; My Father was also a plate layer and worked for LMS/ Summers' on the railways. I do not know what he did or what his work entailed. My Father was also from Bagillt, although he married a Mostyn girl and lived in Mostyn. I live in New Zealand.
Mon Oct 9 08:11:52 2006

Dave Evans, Wrexham
My Dad Don Evans worked at Shotton, he was a crane driver and he worked on the Cold Strip Mill. He had some great times there with all his mates and often spoke of the fun they had and the characters. I think he worked with an Irish man named Spike and I met a former workmate of his who now lives on Angelsey. He used to take old pennies and half pennies to work and put them on the over head crane track and strech them for us kids, a great Dad, dearly missed who enjoyed working with a broad spectrum of interesting people. He always said it was like a university of life at Shotton.
Mon Oct 9 08:10:34 2006

phil sawyer
i was in the steelworks from 1963 to 1989. i worked in the top yard until it was moved to the centre. my main job was to renovate coatings 3 conductor rolls. many other things included. i have just printed a photo of tank corbett& co. good friend? i live in brittany now.
Fri Sep 22 07:41:45 2006

jess jones form holywell (16)
my great grnadad used to work in shotton steelworks and so did me grandad
Thu Sep 21 08:10:08 2006

Alan Robinson from Buckley
I served as an engineering apprentice at shotton works from 1969 - there aren't any apprenticeships like that any more! Does anyone know what happened to our glorious leader Bill Mitchell?
Tue Sep 19 08:20:03 2006

Lindsey Norval from Prestatyn
Re Philip from Torquay. My grandad was sadly killed in that accident also. My mum was only 17 at the time. He was Joseph Davies from Connah's Quay. Please get in touch.
Thu Sep 14 14:15:47 2006

Greg Jones from Chester
Sept 70 to June 80. I worked in the time offices around the site. Marsh time office was my first job, and Bert was in charge. Dave, Tony, Kenny, Reg and Tom were also in the office. There were gorgeous ladies everywhere, super short skirts in the early 70s were all the rage. Great times...
Mon Aug 21 12:12:19 2006

Garry Hughes, Chester
As an ex employee of J.S & S & B.S.C.(1968 - 80)and now working for Flintshire C.C. I can tell Brenda Morgan that the General Office became a Grade 2 listed building on 24/08/2005. Details about it can be obtained by contacting Kirsty Martin of the Conservation Section in County Hall, Mold on 01352 703215.
Mon Aug 21 11:09:15 2006

Brinley Jones, Flint (Shotton born and bred)
Main office and main gates in Shotton, that says it all. Used to sell papers for walls to steel work morning shift early sixties, eventually worked in steel works 1973-1980 roll grinder, what a place. My grandad James Jones worked in coke ovens, died 1963.
Thu Aug 17 09:36:03 2006

Carol Hughes (nee Armitage), Leeds
My great grandfather Joseph Armitage came from Stayleybridge to work at Shotton steelworks. He came with his wife and 4 children, they lived in Church Street, Connah's Quay. My grandfather (James) and my father (Percy) both worked at the steel works.
Fri Aug 11 16:23:54 2006

Sylvia Roberts from Hawarden
My father, Arthur Thomas of Hawarden, worked for John Summers and Sons all his working life and was Foreman Storekeeper of the Top Yard Stores. He collapsed and died there on Sunday October 18th, 1964 aged 59. Does anyone recall the incident or remember working with him? I would appreciate it so much if anyone who knew him could share any memories of him with me.
Thu Aug 3 10:19:45 2006

Pete C Quay
Does it matter where it is. It was work for the majority around C.Q., Shotton, Mold, etc. and it's in Wales. The government was the demise of it. Anyway I would say as it's north of the river it's more likely to be in Garden City or Sealand.
Mon Jul 17 10:07:11 2006

Paul Hughes from Saltney
I served my apprenticeship at Shotton Steelworks from 1965 until 1969, I have fond memories of the place. At the time there were 13000 employees and everyone used to say it is a job for life. Unfortunately the world has changed and nothing is guaranteed any more. I was one of the 6500 made redundant in 1980. It was a shock at the time. luckily there is life after British Steel. I have lived in Thailand for six years and am an English teacher in a private school in Bangkok. Sometimes I look back to the days of John Summers and wonder how I ever put up with working in such a dirty and dangerous environment as the Blast Furnace Engineering Department.
Mon Jun 19 10:48:02 2006

phillip, torquay
hi i wonder if any one can remember my dad who was killed on december 18th 1960 whilst on his way to work at shotton steelworks he was killed when the coach he was travelling in was hit by a train on the crossing any information on my dad will be respectfully appreciated his name was william gordon davies aged 33 thank you for any help
Tue May 23 08:19:29 2006

JOHN ROUND BOLTON
I learnt to swim in the open air swimming pool which used to be behind the general office when I was in 1st Shotton Boys Brigade.
Tue May 23 08:05:29 2006

Louise Watch - Kent
My grandfather, Joseph Thomas worked as a plate later for British Rail / John Summers. Are there records of workers as I am keen to find out more what he did but he sadly died before I was born in the later 70s. He was a Bagillt man. Was there ever anything set up for ex-workers to keep in touch in its long history?
Mon May 22 10:46:03 2006

alan hansom connahs quay
i was employed on the blast furnace 1972/80. we have had two reunions 2005/6 with a good turnout at the sports club. we will be arranging another march/april 07 let me know if interested
Mon May 22 10:45:38 2006

Darren Somerfield
My father worked as a lorry driver for G W HARGREAVES of CANNOCK, he loaded out of shotton most days. I used to go with him when i was a kid. Although i was not supposed to, i used to have to duck down in the cab. I remember the artic buses quite well although they were blue when i used to go there. I also remember that there lorries were also blue. I learnt to rope and sheet a lorry at shotton. the thing i remember most was the egg on toast sandwiches, out the canteen, other hauliers i remember was GEORGE MAYERS; CADWALLADER and southalls I had many happy days travelling with my dad in is ERF lorry but shotton i remember the most, Like most of the 1970s/80s a lot of things disappear but not the memories PS my dad was named DON just in case anyone knew him
Thu May 18 11:34:27 2006

Gwyn Lewis
I worked at Shotton, my first job at 16 to 23 yrs old what a place! I didn't realise at that age what a great experience it was to be there. Late 70s until 81 ish.
Mon May 8 10:55:13 2006

Mike George from Hawarden
My father Eric George worked there 1935-39. In the ARMCO. He's just come back from a 4 month holiday in Madeira. Not bad for 88.
Mon May 8 10:31:39 2006

elizabeth
my dad joe griffiths worked at john summers for many years, my brothers trevor and alun griffiths also worked there in the late 60's and 70's. my dad used to play cricket for them occasionally
Wed Apr 12 08:12:49 2006

Ken Davies (ex. Speakman -hence Spike from Ancaste
I worked in the Metallurgical Lab. from March 1943 until I left for Canada in April 1956. Would be interested in exchanging messages with any of my peers at that time. Thanks in anticipation.
Sun Mar 19 19:38:11 2006

Alan Courtman, Rugeley, Staffordshire
My Dad, Frank, worked in the accounts office at J S & S from about 1921 until (about) 1972. I well remember being taken around the site on a number of occasions and still have a souvenir booklet from a visit in 1947 giving a brief history of the company and containing several photographs. The cover of the booklet is headed JOHN SUMMERS AND SONS LIMITED. Hawarden Bridge Steelworks, SHOTTON, Deeside. Established 1851. Both of my grandfathers also worked in the steelworks, one having followed the firm from Staleybridge, and the other moving from Tipton in Staffs.
Fri Mar 10 19:20:47 2006

Rita in Cheshire
My Grandad, Uncles and Cousins all worked at John Summers and I would be interested to know if there are any photographs of workers or records of workers employed there. Web Team replies: Hi Rita, we have viewed the photographic archives which are not in any order. Sadly the majority of photographs do not contain captions with workers names.
Fri Mar 10 19:10:24 2006

Chris Jones, originally from Mancot
My dad (Charlie Jones) worked as a platelayer at Shotton Steelworks for many years and I followed in his footsteps by becoming an apprentice from 1961-1965 after which I transferred to the new Computer Dept. This was built from Stelvetite as a demonstration of that new product's capabilities. My overriding memory is of Dad looking from our landing window on a Monday morning and counting how many of the chimneys were smoking. This, he said, qave an indication of how the order book looked and thus the potential for short time working. Ah, those were the days!
Fri Mar 10 13:43:48 2006

Brenda Morgan from Holywell
Can anyone tell me whether the old John Summers Head Office (pictured) is preserved as a listed building? I always liked it as a child, and was happy to see it still there 30 years later.
Wed Feb 22 15:44:22 2006

Gareth (Gary) Moules
I served my apprenticeship at Shotton works 1969-1973. I was then employed in the Hot Strip Mill Eng. until 1980. Are there any ex-workmates out there who want to get in touch?
Mon Feb 13 14:57:03 2006

Ron from Connah's Quay
This is mainly to Edwin Duggan from Shotton, although this latter piece of information is obvious, who else would question if it matters if Hawarden Bridge Steelworks is in Connah's Quay or Shotton? His later points are also incorrect, the decision about closure goes back much further than he thinks, if he worked there he would know that the up to date steel-making processes (such as the oxygen furnaces)had not been facilitated in the steelworks so the plant was sadly out of date and slow by the 70's bringing about its demise in 80's. Can I also point out that Deeside is a postal area designating those areas with a CH5 post code only.
Thu Feb 9 19:55:37 2006

Edwin Duggan, Shotton
I would like to say that it does not matter if Shotton steel works lies predominantly in Connah's Quay or Shotton's boundaries. The legacy of the work is surely the growth of what is now deemed as Deeside (Connah's Quay, Shotton, Queensferry, Garden City, Sealand, Hawarden etc). I never worked at Shotton Steel Works, but I know that the general feeling amongst those that did was that it closed because the Tory party had nothing else to do so they decided to just close the plant, and nothing else! However, this is not the case and in time historians will deliver the true cause for its decline, which was the nationalisation of the works by the Labour party. It was because of this that the plant gradually worked at a loss which could not be prolonged for ever. (How many of you readers would put all your wages on a three legged horse every week? Not many, I bet.) Although the area was hit hard in the '80s, it was the right thing to do. The last twenty five years has been a learning curve for all types of people in the area, and the fact that unemployment is at an all time low in the area demonstrates that the people of Deeside can do something else than make steel, and the future looks bright.
Wed Feb 1 02:46:56 2006

Dave Antony
Hi there, I worked at Shotton 69 to 74 served my apprenticeship before leaving for Canada. Shotton and the people will always have a special part in my heart. I will visit the plant Jan 2006...I can't wait.
Tue Jan 10 22:56:28 2006

Ron from Connah's Quay
In the photographs from Hawarden Bridge (Shotton) Steelworks Nos 10 and 11 were taken in the General Engineering Dept and No 12 showed coke being discharged from the Coke Ovens.
Mon Jan 9 11:36:23 2006

DAVID ALLEN (BEDFORDSHIRE)
my grandad(arthur faulkner)worked at the steelworks for 50 years, from 1913 to 1963, and was given a gold watch from john summers and sons for long service. i grew up in connahs quay, and can remember looking out of my grandads bedroom window and seeing the shotton steelworks in the distance. the decline of the steelworks was a great tragedy for the local community.
Sun Jan 1 08:36:40 2006

Paul from Connah's Quay
Ron is correct, if you look at the boundary maps used for election purposes showing local ward boudaries. You will see that most of the land occupied by whole site is, and was, in Connah's Quay.
Wed Dec 28 14:04:08 2005

dennis hughes from mold
i worked there for 38 years, coating dep.
Sun Dec 25 15:20:03 2005

Ken Parry, Morecambe, Lancs
Yes I remember the steel works very well, although I never worked there, but I lived in Fflint (Mount Pleasant) and remember the night sky lighting up, when they tapped the blast furnaces,giving off marvellous views over the river into the Wirral and Cheshire, it was a sight you would never forget, better than any firework display. This would be in the fifties and sixties. Later the area would be decimated by a tory government who destroyed the area with their policies, causing many factories and work places to close putting thousands out of work, people leaving the area because of lack of work.
Wed Dec 21 12:54:17 2005

Ron from Connah's Quay
Re Margo: your comments about British Steel Corp being more in Shotton than Connah's Quay is incorrect. The vast majority lies in "the Quay" This is the reason for the rapid growth of the town, during the time that non domestic rates went to the local council Connah's Quay's income was vast and helped with the build of the baths, civic centre etc whilst still keeping domestic rates down. Apart from the top yard all across the river lay within Connah's Quay right up to the border with England, whilst the boundary of Shotton barely crossed the Dee before meeting up with Garden City and Sealand. Trust this clears up this matter.
Wed Nov 30 12:00:16 2005

Margo now living in Denbigh
Hi Ron, my husband said Hawarden bridge was known as the halt. Railway lines going to Birkenhead & Liverpool & Chester, the Hawarden bridge was in Shotton if you look at the old map. B.S.C. was more in Shotton going towards Chester rather than Connahs Quay. He was born & brought up in Shotton, worked in B.S.C. for many years, his dad & grandad before him.
Sun Nov 20 14:48:55 2005

Ron from Connah's Quay
Can anyone explain why the former Hawarden Bridge Steelworks is now referred to as Shotton Steelworks when the majority of it lies in Connah's Quay?
Fri Nov 11 19:46:02 2005

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