Outline: Local Issues Action Group (LIAG) - made up of residents and councillors - is concerned about any health implications from the planning applications to fill Parry's Quarry and Pinfold Lane and Stoney Beach Quarries, both in Alltami, with household and commercial waste. The sites have already been earmarked for use as landfill but the group says enough sites nearby have previously been used as landfill and 'enough is enough'.
The group had a knock back in early February 2009 when Planning Inspectorate for Wales over-ruled county councillors and approved the scheme at Parry's Quarry [see BBC Local News or the tag below for related stories].
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Jackndanni
What's up with landfills? We dug these big holes in the ground for various reasons, we can't just leave them like that! How ingenious it was an idea to fill 'em up with our waste. Kill two birds with one stone!
Mon Mar 16 08:50:53 2009
John Costigane from Scoltand
Zero Waste is my interest. Wales seems to have more landfill pressure compared to the rest of UK. Do you have 100% home food waste collections yet? This is essential to reduce bin volume. Thereafter, having universal standard plastic recycling will diminish waste. Finally consumer Zero Waste shopping will help. My waste has reduced by 98% (1 binbag every 3 years). Does this cover any of the Welsh experiences?
Tue Jul 29 09:50:36 2008
Danny, Buckley
Ron from Deeside - I dislike armchair experts. If you know so much about the waste industry you would know how it has been managed over the years (with no exceptions) even councils.
Thu Jul 24 10:55:48 2008
Judith
"Ron from Deeside" - what exactly are your interests in pushing forward any landfill? Where do you live? Are you another of those irritating NIMBYs? Or do you have a vested interest in seeing this outrageous scheme to make Flintshire a huge dumping ground. Come on out the closet "Ron". Tell us all who you are + just why you feel a SUPERDUMP is all residents deserve to live in.
Tue Feb 26 09:52:05 2008
John from Ewloe Green.
WHERE ARE YOU RON? It appears there are too many questions that you can't answer about landfill.
Mon Feb 25 08:57:28 2008
Paul Davies, Ewloe Green
Ron, I applaud any new initiatives and efforts to reduce waste at the front end and thereby reduce the need for landfill, I am sure everyone agrees with that approach. I would be interested though in where these other locations you mention are are with multiple landfill sites in close proximity to residential areas, so as to make a comparison. I would also like to study the community reassurance strategies adopted in those areas. Merely by typing in ‘Health risks from Landfill’ in any search engine on the Internet you are bombarded with information suggesting possible health risks. Authorities have a positive duty to take reasonable and appropriate measures to secure local residents' rights to respect for their private and family life and home. I, and I am sure others, would like more reassurance than we have seen to date that no definitive connection can be made. I am also interested in the following extract from a planning document I read last Monday - 'The North Wales Regional Waste Plan advises' ...'that there will be a need for 1 or 2 large scale strategic sites in the region during the plan period'. Can we discount any theory that one or more of the quarries in Pinfold Lane may become a large scale regional site taking in waste from not only Flintshire but neighbouring counties?
Fri Feb 22 10:42:33 2008
John from Ewloe Green
Perhaps "Ron from Deeside" should revisit his facts. The Liaison group was for Brookhill not the Standard, and there were and still are problems. Is he also not aware that there are many reports that link health problems to living adjacent to one landfill site? If one site can cause health problems what are the cumulative effects of living with multiple sites in your locality? Broken Bank site was never refused by FCC as it never reached the stage of submission to the Planning Committee. It has never been withdrawn so it must be sitting in a filing cabinet somewhere! Any ideas Ron? Regarding your point re new neighbours at Alltami, Brookhill is less than 1 km from the new site and is clearly visible from all the surrounding areas. We know what to expect. You won't pull the wool over our eyes this time. We are ready! Living by Brookhill for the last decade is not a reflex action. If your close links with waste management give you plenty of confidence in landfill why don't you volunteer Shotton or Connah's Quay for the next landfill site? This could be a real vote puller for you Ron at the coming elections.
Wed Feb 20 10:48:33 2008
Nick, Web Team
Quick update: Council defer decision. See BBC Local News.
Wed Feb 20 10:17:41 2008
David, Buckley
Hi Ron. Perhaps you would like to direct some of your informed critisim at AD Waste. With your knowledge are you not aware that AD Waste put a late objection into FCC in relation to Robin Jones' application? Perhaps you can explain why or is it do as I say not as I do?
Tue Feb 19 15:31:07 2008
Mike from Buckley
With regard to the identity of Ron of Deeside, and his constant praise of AD Waste and his even his insistence that "A & D" should be specifically "AD" plus his inside knowledge of the Waste Industry or more specifically what he is told, and the knowledge of the liaison group at standard points to none other than Ron Davies Chair of AD Waste. Who just happens to live in Shotton, Deeside. Sorry Ron you've been rumbled. Stand up and declare your interest.
Tue Feb 19 09:56:11 2008
Ron from Deeside
Perhaps Paul Davies should revisit his knowledge of waste management before entering the fray. He talks about the neighbours and their concerns, is he aware that for several years the local liaison group have had no problems with Standard? Is he also not aware that over the years several areas have had a number of closely adjacent land fill sites? Is he also not aware that though there have been several investigations regarding health issues connected to landfill sites and that no definitive connection can be made despite many people attempting to make such a connection. He also mentions "Broken Bank" this is still a registered land fill for the steelworks and if he means the application put in by AD waste (please note AD not A and D)he should also be aware that the application for a landfill and materials recycling facility was refused by Flintshire County Council. Paul's original point about my missing the point shows that he in fact has missed my point, those near to the site about which I was discussing are new near neighbours. Perhaps I should have added that I have had a number of years close connection with the waste mangement industry and whilst this is not an absolute necessity it does give a basic induction to be able to quote with some experience rather than using a reflex reaction. Even with maximum recycling there will always be an amount of waste having to go to landfill so the main consideration must be to get the very best level of landfill available at any one time but to never be satisfied there is always something new coming out in waste management, if you don't believe this just visit the Chartered Institute of Waste Management Conference in Paignton, Devon, any year. Before blaming those who have to clear up please examine what you are doing to recycle and reduce waste!
Mon Feb 18 10:38:44 2008
John from Ewloe Green
I think Ron from Deeside is the shortsighted one! He is obviously an expert on A&D Waste. perhaps he should try living by a landfill site controlled by A&D Waste. Brookhill is a prime example. 30 feet higher than it should be. Site kept open in high winds resulting in plastic in the trees and fields (Ron wouldn't see this!). We are not NIMBYs we have just had enough. Waste has to go somewhere. I remember going to an A&D Waste exhibition in Kelsterton College were we were told that Broken Bank in Connah's Quay was the landfill site of our dreams. Nowhere near houses and with first class road access. I wonder why it was dropped Ron. Look forward to hearing your explanation.
Mon Feb 18 10:33:30 2008
Paul Davies, Ewloe Green
I think 'Ron from Deeside' has missed the point in his comments - the people objecting to the current proposals are not 'new neighbours' to landfill and can hardly be classed as NIMBYs! The great majority are residents who have put up with the inconvenience of landfill on their doorstep for over 30 years. There have been five landfill sites at Buckley within a two kilometre radius in that period. Communities from Buckley, Drury, Bryn y Baal, Alltami, Ewloe, Aston to the fringes of Hawarden have all been affected. A major issue of concern to residents locally is that whilst Environmental Impact Assessments are provided on an individual basis for sites, no one is able to tell us what the overall threat to community health is from having so many sites in such close proximity coupled with the prospect of two further sites operating for another 25 years. This situation appears unprecedented and the authorities should be conducting research on our behalf before granting any further permission to landfill so close to previous sites which though capped are still emitting gases etc. There are alternative sites in Flintshire that are more suitable than Alltami - Broken Bank perhaps in Deeside? It's time Buckley and district enjoyed some respite from the noise, dust, smells, gases, increased HGV traffic and other inconveniences connected with landfill sites. As far as Ron's comments about A & D Waste are concerned I would suggest he speaks to residents who have lived in the shadow of the present sites for their experience of how well A & D Waste have performed.
Thu Feb 14 08:23:37 2008
Ron from Deeside
Having just seen the website concerning the planned new landfill site in Alltami. How shortsighted can anyone be? When asking the question of "dumping" waste you really must ask where does this waste come from and by whom is it generated? Please own up to the situation, the same people who question the landfill site are the same ones who each week put out their bags of waste for collection and disposal. Where do they think that they go? I assure you it isn't into outerspace. New systems of disposal have put a great deal of pressure on waste disposal companies regarding the mixing of waste, the preparation of waste before disposal, the necessity of increasing recycling targets, plus the great increase in the volume of waste, the ever increasing overview of the sites by the Environment Agency, these have all made life extremely difficult for the well controlled companies whilst the "cowboys" just ignore the rules and carry on in their normal illegal manner. Flintshire are very lucky to have a company such as AD Waste because their track record is second to non in relation to their standards and innovations within the industry. All I suggest to their new neighbours is just give them a chance before condemning to join the ranks of NIMBYs.
Fri Feb 8 14:16:19 2008
Judith Hough at Hawarden
Why is Flintshire becoming the dumping ground for all things bad + smelly? Our local authority should be dedicated in trying to retain the natural beauty we've always enjoyed. Who'll want to go walking when surrounded with noxious odours?
Fri Feb 8 08:30:32 2008
Nick, Web Team
I see LIAG are to hold a public meeting to give a presentation on the "possible health and quality of life issues related to living in proximity to a landfill site".Their website says topics to be discussed include "health risks to communities living by landfill sites" and "Life within a 'supertip' area", "Why our area should not be considered for two more landfill sites". LIAG is inviting MP Mark Tami, Local Welsh Assembly members, councillors and members of the public. The meeting will be held at Hawkesbury Hall, Buckley, on Friday February 8. Time to be comfirmed but around 7pm
Mon Jan 28 13:30:24 2008
