your comments
Tony Jordan, London
Was at Kinmel 67-69 A coy Imphal plt. Names I remember... John Mills, John Crisp, Jonas, Baker, and drill sgt Lynsey RMP, sgt Cliff and sgt Wilf Button.
Wed Jun 17 07:41:54 2009
MIck Barker, Framlingham, Suffolk
I was at Kinmel Park from middle Dec 58 to 1st week March 59, training as driver. My intructor was L/bdr Baker, lived in a flat on Rhyl seafront, had toast and tea every morning with his wife, just like home. Also left a mate Tony there as driving intructor. He was from Oulton Broad Suffolk 25 mile from where I live. I got posted to 47 Gw regt fld RA in Dortmumd until demobbed Dec 60
Wed Jun 10 07:45:21 2009
Peter Oliver from the Isle of Man
I remember well Kinmel Camp where I did my National service with the 67th Regiment Royal Artillery, I was a driving instructor, and battery Clerk from 1950/1952.
Fri Jun 5 07:46:54 2009
Gerry Knight from Market Drayton
I remember Paddy Carroll from my time as a Junior Signalman at JTR Rhyl. We also had an Irish Platoon Sgt in Cambrian Coy, but cannot remember his name.
Fri May 29 08:35:54 2009
Alex Patterson, Motherwell, Scotland
Doug Baptie, I was a clerk in 7 (Sphinx) Battery office. Bdr Len Bailey was the clerk in charge of the office. The BC was Major AH Wigram RA and the BSM was called Rainford. The CO of the regiment was Lt Col Whittaker RA. If I remember correctly Ormesher was a matador driver and a Scouse. Lt CC (Chris) Betts was one of the troop commanders. I was in for National Service from 21 May 1959. I would have signed on but the regiment was being disbanded. A lot of the lads eventually ended up in Plymouth as I remember visiting the barracks at a later date.
Tue May 26 08:12:37 2009
Doug Baptie Edinburgh ex gunner
I was at Kinmel Park Camp from March 1960 to Nov 1961. Must have met Eddie Ormesher and Alex Paterson as I was also in 7 Sphinx battery 21 Med. Regt. Other names I remember; Harry Knight, Pete lawton, Mel Burns, Joe Brown, K Mckelvy, l/t Alford, Arthur Madison.
Tue May 19 12:38:10 2009
Ron Armstrong from Thornaby on Tees
Re John Humby's letter I also started my signals training in Feb 1955, then posted out to Germany, celle herford lipstadt, enjoyed my stay at Rhyl. Maybe we did know each other John, keep in touch.
Mon May 18 08:52:13 2009
Michael Ward
Hallo Roy Williams, we were in the cross country team and athletics team that won the Army Championships. Great room; you, me and Pricey.
Tue May 12 08:12:14 2009
Jim Bruckshaw in Sydney, Australia
Imagine my surprise when I read Tom 'Taff' Jones letter. I was in the same intake at Oswestry Nov 1956! And yes sewing on buttons by candlelight while some ironed out the wrinkles in their brown issue boots. It was freezing both there and in Kinmel camp. I remember Taff teaching me how to say that long Welsh word 'Llanfair---blah bla-gogogoch'. You taught me well Taff! Thanks mate. During training at Kinmel I got the flu bad and was eventually posted to 18th Med regt right by Stonehenge, at Larkhill.
Mon May 11 08:51:47 2009
Mike Wallis
Hi Roy Williams (KOYLI), I was 66-68 imphal platoon A company but I remember you from the athletic team. I was fortunate enough to pick up the record for the x-country course after they changed the route though lost it the following week to a long legged guy named Barnes. Hope everything is going well.
Tue May 5 09:12:03 2009
Keith Griffin, Lincoln
To all the chaps of my intake Sept 62 Jan 64, Hi mates [I think] there must be at least one, snigger. Names are scribbled rather quickly on the backs of some old b/w photos, Gravestock, Richardson, Bill Wooton, Bill barlow, Smithy, Jock, Terry, Sandy Wells, Mcintyre, Burnside, Abbeley, Gravestock, Sandy [B], and finaly Magarth. Apologies for any misspellings. We were all mucking about outside our spider when the pictures were taken. I found this page by accident, although I have in the past viewed the old camp on Google earth, wondering what happened to all of you.
Wed Apr 29 08:20:44 2009
John Gregson, Wigan
Hi Taff Edwards, you have the wrong John Gregson sorry, I was there in 1967-68 I didn't play football and I wasn't a driving instructor.
Wed Apr 22 07:58:08 2009
Taff Edwards, Wrexham
Hello John Gregson. We played football in the regiment side with Jack Hardman. We were driving instructors. I went there 1959 till 1961. I came to watch you playing football for Shrewsbury Town.
Tue Apr 21 11:37:19 2009
Terry Joll from Cornwall
Hello Paddy Carroll. I remember you very well. I was in B Company and the Skill at Arms Wing. I am visiting Bodelwyddan in two weeks time, I will make enquiries at the Ty Fry pub. Terry Joll. Light Infantry.
Wed Apr 15 10:19:30 2009
Provo sgt Paddy Carroll
Hi all out there. I was provo sgt Paddy Carroll in the 50s til 70s in Kinmel camp, Bodelwyddan. I am still hanging on here, I am now 80 yrs younger, ha! I would love to hear from as many of you out there that can remember me. I hope to hear from someone soon.
Tue Apr 14 10:06:00 2009
John Gregson
Bill Elliot, hi Bill I remember you, you and me used to throw the javelin for JTR, I seem to remember you always being better than me at it (LOL), have you not joined the JTR website?
Tue Apr 14 09:36:28 2009
Alan Lawler
To Les Hoyle of Yorkshire, my old man was in 1 RHA in 56 57 then got posted to 3rd RHA. I wonder if you remember him Joe Lawler? He was in the boxing team back then, don't know what battery he was in, they were the days when there was no stay bright buttons and I think it was the old 303 rifles before the SLR came in.
Thu Apr 9 10:04:50 2009
Les Hoyle, Yorkshire
I was at Kinmel Park from October 1956 to Feb 1957 doing my signal training before going to Munster to 1 RHA. Great memories of the Ty Fry and the dance hall above Burtons, having to take our boots and belts off. No drinking on Sundays too. Happy days, I was in 19 Golf in the spiders, when it was frosty, keeping in step and not slipping over marching down for the dreaded muster parades, I could go on and on.
Mon Apr 6 10:25:17 2009
Phil (Manfred) Mann
Glad to report that Phillip Williams (Asten Platoon, B Coy 65/66) and I met up at Kinmel Camp for the first time in 43 years as a result of this forum. Spent a very enjoyable time in the Ty Fry pub, Bodelwydden, exchanging memories and photos. Smashing experience. We've both recently celebrated our 60th birthdays! Phillip still looks like he could run up Engine Hill backwards, but I'm not too sure about me.
Tue Mar 31 07:56:07 2009
Terry Joll, Troon
It appears that most of you lads enjoyed yourselves at JTR Rhyl. Yes, you were chased around from before dawn to after dusk and all throughout the day but most of you came through it all smiling and in good spirits. I cannot recollect ever seeing a J/T depressed, you never had time for those things. I am pleased to relate that I had a lot of wonderful chaps under my care during my two years there and although it was hard work and I did not volunteer to get posted there I am glad I did do so. You lads gave us a challenge and I think we overcame that challenge and had great satisfaction ourselves.
Mon Mar 30 08:37:06 2009
Bill Elliott, Newcastle upon Tyne
Hi John, I also knew Boggy Brown Concho and Clive Evans. I was the junior platoon, sargeant for cassino platoon.
Mon Mar 30 08:36:09 2009
Alan Lawler
Hi Gary Moore, your memory does serve you well. I remember the incident in the gym. Thankfully I was lighter on my feet in those days. I often wonder where we all got the energy from to get through the training, I think it must have been the great lads who were there, the genuine mates we had and the laughs that kept us going. I still laugh to myself thinking about some of the escapades we used to get up to, the staff were tremendous too and shared in our enthusiasm to do well. So glad you're OK Gary I wish you well, they were special days and I wish I could turn back the clock and do it all over again, all the best, Alan Lawler.
Thu Mar 26 10:24:03 2009
Nigel Grace, BEM - ex J/Cpl
Hi, I was one of the 1967 Sept intake. Have read sites about JTR Rhyl. Fabulous place, I enjoyed ever minute (except the cross country runs and bunny hops up the hill). Left in 1969 - continued to serve in the RAOC until 1991 - Warrant Office Class 1 (Conductor). I have great memories of the Camp and and my favourite memory was going with Sgt Dickie R Sigs to Lowther College and instructing fencing to the girls - how cool was that!
Tue Mar 24 08:05:52 2009
Al Pinckard Sileby Leics
Gary Moore, you've got some memory mate, obviously time hasn't caught up with you yet.
Fri Mar 20 09:04:06 2009
Gary Moore, Barwell, Leicestershire
Hi Alan, I am sure it was you that had to deal with a small jock who was determined to win at all costs in the practise boxing sessions we had to go through in the gym. I drew Lester Lindsey as our weights were equal, he'd done quite a bit of boxing before as my headache afterwards told me. I remember you and the jock lad decided to complete your bout in the barracks when we returned to them, this was when we were in Cambriam company. My name is Gary Moore and I ended up in Barossa Plt C Coy. There was a guy called Pete Revell and I remember Pete Joyce too, he ended up in 49 Field regt RA in Hohne Garrison as well as me. Hope you are well, I am sure my memory serves me well, the jock deserved it as he was losing in the ring and stuck the knee in to get you off.
Wed Mar 18 09:27:42 2009
John Gregson, Wigan, Lanc's
To Boggy Brown, Bury St Ebmunds. Hi Boggy, I knew you quite well. You were in Cassino platoon and you mated with me, Chris Whythe, Concho Butler, Clive Evans.
Fri Mar 13 10:38:28 2009
Reg Fearman, Henley on Thames
Please see my posting of Monday December 24th 2007 and Wednesday February 6th 2008. The small group of us had a super time at the Ty Fry reunion. We are having another reunion at the Ty Fry Monday April 21st 2009 at 12 noon. All that passed through Kinmel in the 1950s are welcome. I hope to see you there.
Mon Mar 9 09:49:48 2009
Bernie Gudgeon
Worth 18 months out of anyone's life. At least that's my guess - the old grey cells aren't what they used to be. Can just about remember some of the guys I shared a room with: Tazzioli, Byford, Key, Major...
Thu Mar 5 07:59:00 2009
Robert Jones
I was at JTR 1966-69, was in the RAOC but transfered to the Queens Regt. Cannot remember much of the old days there, but remember there were 2 girls' schools there one by the main gate and one at the back. Of course we were told they were out of bounds, and if we ever went there we would not come back, they had ghosts. At 15 years you believe what you were told, but remember the discos in the camp, had a good time there. Left the army in 1982.
Mon Mar 2 10:40:03 2009
Tom Mchale, Redcliff, Alberta, Canada
Just browsing and came across this brilliant site. I was stationed at JTR Rhyl in 1964, remember it like it was yesterday. My drill sgt in Cambrian Coy was Sgt Payton, of the Welch regt I believe, I met up with him again when we both had returned from a stint in Borneo. I did my trg in Arnhem platoon, c coy. Also went to 4pet dep in Germany for about 9 mts then posted to Borneo, followed by Hong Kong, then a few years in Northern Ireland. Then 3 int & sy coy in Berlin for a couple of years. While there was detached to Suffield Alberta where I met a girl and got married, finished off at Sandhurst, and returned to Canada, where after all these years I still work on security at CFB Suffield (batus base). Some guys I remember from Rhyl were O'Dowd, Etherington, Farmer, Caton, Pembrington, Brooks and Cox to name a few.
Mon Mar 2 09:58:11 2009
L/C Nimmo Scotland
Hi, Found this site very interesting and was wondering if anybody remembers my Dad L/C Donald Nimmo. I think he did his National Service around 1956/57. He was a driving instructor. (All his children passed their driving tests first time without the aid of a driving school!) I think he shot at Bisley once and another time managed a day stewarding at a point to point meeting! He was friends with somebody called Tony? Sadly my dad passed away in 2002 but had happy memories of Kinmel Camp.
Thu Feb 26 08:18:37 2009
Roy Williams, Dewsbury, West Yorkshire
I joined the Army on the 3/1/66 and my first posting was to JTR Rhyl. I was in Barrossa Plt C Company and I was also in the athletic and cross country team when we won the junior athletics and cross country in the same season. My nickname was Koyli after the battalion I had joined. I left Rhyl and spent 8 weeks in Shrewsbury at LIBD before going to Berlin to join my Bn. While there we went to Sennelager [Germany] training. While there I met some of the lads I had servied with at Rhyl, Phil Blackbrun, Steve Parker and the Kemmery twins.
Tue Feb 24 08:37:11 2009
Van Betts (Dutch)
Was stationed at Kinmel Park in 1958. 58/15 Foxtrot squad, don't remember my signals instructor but my drill sergeant was Sgt Jennings. I remember how they used to march us down the hill to dinner, KFS and china mug behind your back and lord help anyone who slipped when the instructor shouted HALT. Would love to hear from anyone who might remember that intake.
Mon Feb 23 08:56:52 2009
William Charlton
My father, who sadly died last year, served at Kimnel and amongst his posessions is a small booklet called Khaki Street, illustrated by him. I would be interested to hear from anyone with memories of Mike who I would imagine would be remembered by his humour as much as by his art. We are holding an exhibition of his life's work at the Salisbury Arts Centre Feb 25 - Mar 14 2009.
Fri Feb 20 10:35:01 2009
Alan Lawler, Crewe
To Al Pinckard, we must have trained together in the gym under Sgt Maj Wilkinson. You will remember Dave Sharkey, Lester Lindsay, Dave Church. We had a tournament end of '71 against JL Reg, they brought a strong team from Bovington I think it was. We all won and showed them the way home. Do you remember Sgt Adams? He was our drill sgt when we first arrived. I was in the top billet of Arnhem Platoon by the road and the last bunk on the right. A guy called Pete Joyce was in that billet. Another guy from L'pool we called Sticks was also in Arnhem. I have to tell you they were the best days of my life and I often think of them. Glad you're well Al, all the best, Alan Lawler.
Wed Feb 18 09:27:06 2009
Al Pinckard, Leicester
To Alan Lawler, I also boxed in 1970 for Arnhem platoon. It was the inter platoon contest and Carl Gizzi was a judge. I thought I'd won easily because the other guy kept kicking me and hitting low. However Carl Gizzi gave it to this other guy and I wasn't very pleased. But I thought it may not be wise to argue with Carl Gizzi.
Tue Feb 17 10:51:11 2009
Neil Wyatt, North Yorkshire
I Joined JTR Rhyl as a Junior Sapper, travelling by train to Rhyl Station on 12th September 1972. My first contact with the Army at Rhyl was being met, along with lots of other boys, by Corporal Sheldon. I believe this was one of the largest intakes and second to last as I remember. I was there until the junior training unit closed down in December 1973. I remember Paddy Carrol very well indeed, as I believe every junior solder of my time in Kinmel Park Camp would! Whether marching to the NAAFI or the Cookhouse, all eyes would be out looking for Paddy, where on first sighting our squad would turn into something resembling a mobile windmill! Many a break time would be spent from the safety of the NAAFI window, watching less observant squads spending their NAAFI break marching up and down that hill. Fantastic to know that Paddy is still about, and God willing, it would be nice to see him again. There were of course other characters at the camp I recall; such as the civilian PT instructor, Mr White, Drill SGT Guthrie of the Scots Guards, Lt Nalepa, (with eye patch) RSM Broom and Q Blakey of the ACC at the Cookhouse. I played guitar in the camp's beat group, The Junior Tradesman's All Star Band, The Wayward Wind and the DMS (Durable Moulded Soles). We played in the SGT's Mess, Rhyl Methodist, British Legion, the Village Fete and many clubs in North Wales. During 1973 we had the addition of two girls helping with the vocals; they were Lynn Derbyshire who lived locally and Sally, who was the daughter of CSM Smith of the Royal Anglian Regiment. I went back to make a personal visit in summer 1974 and to visit the camp but never got past the Guard Room. Those days will never come back again that's for certain.
Tue Feb 17 10:26:28 2009
Alan Lawler, Crewe
Joined JTR Rhyl, Sept 1970 in Arnhem platoon. Had a great 14 months there. Loads of laughs, joined the boxing team. People like Lester Lindsay and another guy called Sparky were also in that team. Sgt Major Wilkinson was the coach there when Welsh heavyweight champ Carl Gizzi came to the gym to help us along. Went from Rhyl to Germany then Ireland. Finished up in Hong Kong. Came out in 1974. Happy days guys. Went back there to have a look in '79 - one or two billetts were still up including my old bunk. It has since become an industrial park, pass it frequently. Fond memories always.
Mon Feb 16 09:00:56 2009
Charlie Williams from Llanelli
I have two photographs of one of my unknown relatives.He is nt/ne/nr Abergele n.w. If anyone knows of him please contact me via this site.
Mon Feb 9 10:19:01 2009
Petersen Bob from Hull. E.Yorks.
Served with 38 Signal Training Regt. 1958 to 1960 managed to get one stripe recommended by Sgt Sherwood to become a RSI. I become involved with training new recruits with Sergent Holloway. I remember B.S.M. Scott very well, as he kept us all in order. It was coming to the end of National Service. Shame! Overall I enjoyed my 2 years, close to signing on. Remember the friends I made vividly still in contact with 3 friends from those special days.
Mon Feb 9 09:53:48 2009
Tom (Taff) Jones from Llandyssul now Gloucester
I reported for National Service to Park Hall Oswestry on 7th Nov '57. Got kitted out there and I remember sewing all the buttons on my overcoat upside down, what did they expect in candlelight? I think we spent about two weeks there and then on to Kinmel Park where we did our basic 8 weeks training and an extra 4 weeks Radio Signalling course. Very happy memories of the area and all my comrades except for the two weeks in a tin hut on Trawsfynnydd Mountain in January! After all that I was posted to Malta and joined the 37 Royal Artillery, 171 (Broken Wheel) Battery at Tigne Barracks where I spent the rest of my National Service as Driver Operator to the Battery Commander. Happy Days.
Mon Feb 2 08:42:21 2009
Bob Dunford, Monmouth, South Wales
I was a Z boy at JTR (Rhyl) 63/64 trained as Dvr/Op, started in Royal Artillery but changed to South Wales Borderers, was in A Coy, Imphall Pl. also in Corp of Drums.
Mon Feb 2 08:18:54 2009
Jacqueline McDonald, New York, USA
My father, Richard McDonald, was at Kinmel Camp from 1957 - 1960, we lived in 4, Artillery Row. He was a sergeant in the Royal Artillery, an MP. My brother was born in St Asaph, my sister and I attended St Mary's Convent in Rhyl. I remember the camp quite well as I was 9/10 yrs old, we used to play in the woods and visit farms in the area. I've enjoyed reading all the comments from those who also spent part of their life in a place I long ago remember. My father passed away in 1976, he would have loved this website!
Thu Jan 29 10:16:47 2009
Phillip Williams, Derby
Aston Platoon, B Coy 1965/66. I just have to add to my comment. I have a copy of the photo at the top of this page! It's Phil Mann, a chap called Cummings and one called Mathews. I remember Phil shouting 'Fire! Fire!' in the middle of the night to get us all outside on the night of the big fire, as I said, my bed was next to your bunk Phil. I remember the fire piquet from c coy ( green ) the L/cpl who was in charge did a great job! I saw them in action! I also remember a few weeks later the L/cpl lost his stripe. Was that you Terry? Phil you left that term. I took your job in Aston Platoon only cpl though. Watched Bobby Moore lift the world on black and white TV in the Naffi! Names- Tug Wilson, Alan Morris, Bob Wall, Jack Warner. A tough start in life but no regrets at all.
Mon Jan 26 08:47:16 2009
Phillip Williams from Derby
To Phil Mann, Hi Phil, I remember you well. I was in that fire with you. I was in the top room next to your bunk when the fire started. I remember you raising the alarm right next to my bed. Hope you are well, would love to see you.
Mon Jan 26 08:36:18 2009
Terry Joll Camborne, Cornwall
I have been reading all the posts here regarding jtr Rhyl and I have persuaded my dear wife to make a return trip to the area to see our old house and what is left of the camp as well as visit the Snowdonia National Park.
Mon Jan 26 08:31:09 2009
Craig from Bolton
Hi there, I am just wondering if anyone knew my late father Frank Gerrard Jones who was based there in the '50s whilst he was doing his National Service. I've just found a photo of him whilst he was there and i'ts dated 1953-54 and he played rugby too. Just wondering if this could jog anybodies memory who may have known him.
Thu Jan 22 08:22:26 2009
Frank G, Nottingham
Hello Vincent Murray. With regard to your project of taking the bodies of the four 'forgotten' soldiers back to Canada. I admire your sentiments but don't agree with them. The four soldiers and all the other soldiers buried in the marble church are not 'forgotten'. Irrespective of how these soldiers died, killed during riots, influenza, RTA or any other cause, they are part of the legend that is Kinmel Park Camp. Certainly in my time at Rhyl their graves were visited on a regular basis by the junior soldiers from Kinmel. Everyone knew of their existence and when spoken of were held in great respect. These soldiers have rested in peace for over ninety years and should not be disturbed. You say that any soldier that fought in WW1 deserves to be brought home. Does this include the many thousands of British, American and Commonwealth servicemen buried in France? Also what about all the other thousands of servicemen and women buried in cemetries all over the world? No Vincent, these four soldiers have rested alongside their comrades peacefully for so long and should be left alone. I notice you are now a member of the JTR forum. If you look back at previous posts you will see the affection held for all those soldiers in the marble church by ex JTR boys.
Tue Jan 20 09:29:10 2009
Jack Williams from Newcastle, Staffordshire
I have just found this site by accident...I was looking for something else! I joined the Boys Battery at Kinmel Park Camp in 1950. Like J. Horner from the Isle of Wight, I well remember Bombardier, later Sergeant, McGoldrick of the "McGoldrick Arms" otherwise known as the Detention Block, where naughty boys were sent to be shown the error of their ways. Luckily he was on leave when I spent a couple of days there for going AWOL! The Battery moved to Bradbury Lines, Hereford in January 1952, but my time spent at Kinmel Park is better remembered, because of the NAAFI, YMCA and the "Gaff" (cinema). Sadly, it's all gone now.
Mon Jan 19 09:41:12 2009
Harry Greenwood, Lancashire
I was in cable section 38 Tr Reg RA 55 TO 57 as a driver on permanent staff under capt Parton, Walley bombadier, Dan Archer lance bombadier.
Thu Jan 15 10:04:51 2009
Vincent Murray, Ottawa, Canada
Hi again to all those who served at the Rhyl camp. I believe I made an error, I served in the early sixties as a medic in training. I have started a project to have the 4 men forgotten and left in the marble church to be returned to Canada. I believe anyone who survived that war WW1, deserved to be brought back to their home country reguardless of the riot or what caused it. I know some have showed an intrest and would like to hear from those who would support this and maybe help me get further information on these men. They fought that war and won it let's bring these men home after 90 years of being forgotten.
Tue Jan 13 10:13:06 2009
Terry Joll. Camborne. Cornwall
Have just joined this site and have been reading all the postings. Many names that are familier to me have cropped up, Sgt Tug Wilson was in Cambrian Company but worked on the RAMC Team along with WO1 Dickie North.Sgt Norman Job RMP finished up as RSM, as did Sgt George Stewart RPC, Sgt Ted Furneaux-Harris RAOC ended as Lt Col.The Para CSM Cambrian Coy was WO2 Assenti, a scot.Clearly remember Provost Sgt Paddy Carroll.Great days and happy memories. Soneone must remember me?
Tue Jan 13 10:00:38 2009
Frank G, Nottingham
Hello Terry Joll: your name is mentioned a couple of times on the JTR Rhyl Forum. As an ex instructor I believe you would be welcome to join the forum and contibute your memories, anecdotes and you may be able to hook up with people you served with. If you scroll down to the post left by Stuart Martin on this page you will find more information. Good luck.
Tue Jan 13 09:19:58 2009
Terry Joll, Camborne, Cornwall
I was an Instructor at JTR Rhyl from November 1967 until November 1969. I was Platoon Sergeant, Asten Platoon, B Company, and worked at the Skill at Arms Wing before posted temporarily to Cambrian Company. Would like to find J/CSM Griffiths who tried for RMP but ended up RCT. I finished my time there as a Colour Sergeant in the Light Infantry pt.
Mon Jan 12 08:53:38 2009
Mike Vowles, Cardiff
Hi guys & gals, JTR Rhyl April 63, Sgt Levi's platoon. One of the "Z" boys trained as a Dvr/Op. Memories are almost nil due to a stroke but the JTR forum site and links like this one are great for guys like me. Really enjoy reading your memories which can trigger stuff for me so keep it up. I was awarded best at Trade and Drill/turnout and had a little bowl and silver ash tray given me on pass out. Does anyone out there remember being given something similar? A re-union is happening in August 2009 at Boddie Castle so have a ganders at the JTR forum site for info as we would love to see/hear from ANY EX Kinmel guys. Cheers for now and stay well, Taffy.
Mon Jan 12 08:45:21 2009
Vincent Murray
I was at JTR Rhyl in the fifties. I was the junior cpl in charge of the fire picket the night the TV room went up. Got mentioned in dispatches, a lot of good that did me, shortly after was busted back to private. I remember Paddy Carol, CSM Rodgers, Tanky, Brea, Thackery etc. They were tough times but I have fond memories, ended up in Ottawa, Canada and retired from the prison service as a correctional officer. I think back on my Kimnel days many times. Anyone rembering me send me an email, would be very glad to hear from them.
Thu Jan 8 09:58:24 2009
John Black from Bristol
Message for Shaun Carrol. I am very pleased to learn that your father is still very much alive. Sgt Paddy Carrol RA. The BEM must have come after I graduated from Rhyl in 1964, but it was a just reward. When I first arrived at Rhyl in Jan '63 Paddy was a platoon sgt in A Coy. Unfortunately I now forget which platoon. I believe that he may have originally come from County Sligo in the Republic of Ireland. Paddy was one of those Irish soldiers that made the British Army a great institution. He used to take us on Sunday afternoon treks around the Kinmel Park area and show us tools of the trade as it were, such as how to deal with insurgents, as he had experienced in Malaya during the 1950s. He even supervised us getting coal out of one of the storage bunkers for use in his quarter! Paddy was elevated to the post of provost Sgt sometime in 1963. He fitted into this role like a hand in a glove, very firm and fair! I remember more than once standing outside the guardroom for show parade under his 'tender' care! After leaving Rhyl I served in RAMC units until leaving the Army in 1975 to train as a teacher. I have never been back to Rhyl but intend to do so this year. I doubt if your father remembers me, one amongst hundreds of Rhyl boys, but I would be grateful if you could pass on my very best wishes to your father Shaun, and wish him a happy new year and may his God go with him (as another great Irishman would have said, Dave Allen!). Kind regards, John Black, ex RAMC.
Mon Jan 5 10:19:55 2009
P. Oliver, now on Isle of Man.
I served with the 67th Reg. Kinmel Park in 1950, I would like to contact anyone of the chaps who were there at the same time. I was a driving instructor, and Battery Clerk. Where are you Russell Hollingshead from Leek, Staffs, Bert Pimblett, and all the other National Service lads? I would love to hear from you.
Fri Jan 2 10:17:52 2009
Frank G from Nottingham
Hello Shaun Carroll, son of Paddy. If you scroll down to the posts of Stuart Martin, you may be able to access the JTR Rhyl Forum. Your father is mentioned quite a few times on the forum and is remembered with a lot of affection. I am sure there may be a lot of interest in what you are planning. I think I remember your dad, but you must understand, from the viewpoint of a boy soldier and a Provost Sgt, he was one to avoid, if you know what I mean. There are one or two of the ex Rhylbillies who, at one time, were guests in his hotel and got to know him better than others. There is a re-union planned for 2009, which your dad may be interested in and I am sure he would be welcomed as a special guest.
Fri Jan 2 09:59:35 2009
Paddy Carroll/Shaun Carroll/Bodelwyddan
My dad was the Provo Sgt (Paddy Carroll BEM) of Kinmel Camp Bodelwyddan from the 60s until the the camp closed in the 70s. I'm asking to hear from any person who knows my dad or served in Kinmel Camp in the JTR Regiment. His 80th birthday is in March 2OO9 and I'm hoping to arrange a special party for him in Bodelwyddan. Please contact me via this site ASAP, Shaun Carroll.
Mon Dec 29 10:42:25 2008
George Leadbitter from Brecon S. Wales
Great reading all the comments, and stirring up some happy and some not so happy memories. I was in JTR like George Field from 65-67, 'C' Company although the Platoon name evades me at the moment. The Sergeant Major you were thinking of is Assenti. To Donald Brake, I also remember both Sgt Everett, a great character although a little scary when you first arrived, and Sgt Jed Thackery, we were told as young lads, his was the only voice you could hear on the battlefield. Great memories, and if anyone remembers me get in touch. Some names I remember are: John Mogford, Mick Hilton, Terry Pledge.
Fri Dec 19 14:23:33 2008
Peter R Smith N/Yorkshire
I arrived at Rhyl station on the 9th Jan 63 to train as a dvr/Op RE. I left in Dec '64. On arrival at Kimmel Park I went to 3 platoon top room. Sgt Leeve 2nd sgt was Sgt Pritchard. Plenty of laughs, never forgot. Then up to C Coy Souel Plt bottom room, Sgt Pullin then a group of dvr/ops got posted to B coy. I went to Astern plt bottom room and my first impression of room was it had never seen a brush or bumper in its life. It was horrible. Stayed for a few months then moved across to Minden platoon as J/Cpl center room. PS. Was Sgt Andrews Lt Daniels troop officer was also canoe hobbie officer with Capt Crossily? Raced in lots of army regattas and completed a D/W race from Wiltshire to Westminster over 4 days because we were junior entry. Also, completed Dover / Calais canoe race and back in mid '64.
Mon Dec 15 08:43:59 2008
Tony Nuttall (ex Artillery)
On 30 April 1963 I arrived at sunny Kinmel Park Camp to join Junior Tradesmens Regt! After recruit company was in A Coy Imjim Platoon. Think we had Sgt "Tankie" Bray and a Sgt from D&D (who we called back in half an hour and then you can go to the NAAFI maybe)! Had a girlfriend in Abergele! They were really tough days, but great, many happy times up and down Snowdon and across Denbigh moors. Am sure you all remember inter room/platoon/company, high spirits and how about the ghosts (marching boots) in the dead of night! Did full career and retired W02 in 1987.
Mon Dec 8 08:21:52 2008
Phil (Manfred) Mann, Abergele
Joined JTR Rhyl in 1965. Asten platoon, B Coy - J/Sgt. I remember Capt. Jennings and Lt. Greatorex who were fanatical about the regimental shooting team (I was team captain). And the 'Cavern Club' on Thursday nights and the local girls arriving on the coach. The battle marches up Engine Hill and AAJLR Cup competition. I discovered the TV room fire that 'TERRY' mentioned and remember seeing the flames roaring down the corridor. Very exciting! So many memories crammed into such a short time. Wouldn't have missed the experience for the world! I now live a couple of miles from what's left of the camp.
Thu Nov 6 08:44:13 2008
Boggy Brown, Bury St Edmunds
Hi, I was at Kinmel 1966 1968, can't remember plt, that's where I got my nickname - stuck with me til I left in 72. Joined when I was in the RAOC, but made mates in the Royal Anglians, so I transferred. Got told I was in RAR the night before passing out, took me and my mates ages to sew the buttons on, had some good times there though. Good luck to you all, fellow inmates.
Tue Oct 21 10:53:37 2008
Gary Moore, Barwell, Leicestershire
I signed up in August 1970, following which I found myself on a train to Rhyl in September. On arrival almost all of the lads were in a long line at the barbers. I'd followed the advice on the joining instructions and had a nice hair cut "to save time", but I was still in the queue regardless. The barbers were knee deep. My time was Sept 70 to December 71, I was in the Queens Own Hussars, not too many tankies or cavalrymen went to Rhyl as I remember. Trained as a Dvr Op and went to Catterick after as a regular, then off to Hohne - Germany to my Regiment. I was in Barrossa Platoon C Coy in Rhyl, and I enjoyed my time, except if we went on a run and turned left up the St George hill, instead of right towards the back of Boddelwyddan. Seems like yesterday reading your stories and remembering my days there, I did the Corp of Drums as my 'hobby', I chose that as the band used to stand at the back of the Saturday rehersal for pass off and didn't do a great deal of marching around and we used to have a laugh at all the local carnivals and fetes we would play at in the summers. I used to go to the Catholic Church too, I'm not Catholic though, there were always some girls from Lowther College there at the services so it was worth the effort. If anything, JTR Rhyl grew me up fast and it has a great experience.
Wed Oct 15 10:12:21 2008
Smudger Smith, Shropshire.
Hello to Del King who has posted here, a member of Arnhem Platoon I think! This is the Weed from Leeds - well I was way back then, in I think January 1963. What a great place and we received a great grounding in most things military. Bulling, Blancoing and Buffing - but what a life! Out on The Moor, and up Snowdon more times than I can recall. Went straight up the side, bottom to top in Winter with heavy snow on the ground. Trained as Drv/Radio Op. After JTR did over 12 years regulars and later some months full time with a T.A. unit. Long back in civvy street and retired.One incident stands out at Rhyl from all the rest. Platoon Inspections carried out by Platoon Commander and other training staff. On one occasion it seems we could not get it right - just not good enough so we had to suffer others in the evening. It didn't go down very well with the lads and some of them got together, went outside the spider, picked up the Platoon Commanders Mini and carried it, via the double fire doors into the TV Room. When discovered missing the baloon went up and those responsible had to own up or we would all have faced collective punishment - but what a laugh!
Mon Oct 13 09:17:51 2008
John Dougherty, Madeira Island
Went to do my Signalers training in Feb 1957. Then on to Malaya in June that year.
Thu Oct 9 10:14:21 2008
June Huckvale (Bodfish)
My dad was in the 38 regiment and we lived in married quarters - Artillery Row 1954-1960. Staff Sergeant Bodfish was in the REME. We went to school for a time in army billets then moved to village school opposite Marble Church
Mon Oct 6 08:05:38 2008
Jan Martin, London
Have vivid memories of Kinmel camp as my grandparents' council house abutted the camp - some of my early memories are of the hoarse shouts of 'who goes there - advance and be recognised' by the sentry on duty virtually outside the house. We children loved following the soldiers marching L/R L/R down the road and watching the raw recruits doing PE just over grannie's fence. I always hoped one of the high jumpers would vault over the fence & land in the garden. The army cinema was a big drawer for the local kids (In the '50s). We used to lurk outside & ask a soldier 'can you take us in mister' and they usually did. Poor things would be had up for it now in these PC days. The mention of Ty Fry inn reminds me of how my Irish grandad loved to pop down there after work for his evening tipple & roll back home to do an Irish jig in the kitchen. Lowther College was still a school in the late '40s & '50s when I was a child and a happy memory is going with my gran to pick mushrooms in the fields there in the early morning. Returning to this part of Wales in the late '80s was appalled by the giant A55 cutting right through the little village of Bodellwyddan.mThe camp had gone and beautiful Kinmel woods looked shabby and uncared for. The catholic chapel (a Nissan hut I remember) was where we went on Sundays. As a tiny child I remember the very young German POWs there. Their expressions showed, it seems to me in retrospect, defiant embarrassment. The camp and its soldiers and martial bugle calls and military bands seemed tremendously glamorous and exciting to me then and I have great memories of it all.
Mon Oct 6 08:01:46 2008
Pete Stacey, Swindon
I am trying to contact a Peter Horne who was in the Signals from 1971 till 1973. We where both in Imphal Platoon. We had a great time at Kinmel Park. Been back to visit many times. Shame only half of the camp is still left. Can remember a Paul (another good friend).
Thu Oct 2 08:14:43 2008
Del King from Kent
I was a junior soldier at Kinmel Park Camp 1963/4, went on to serve for a further 9 years in men's service then out into civvy street - fond memories of Kinmel Park, especially the AKC cinema.
Tue Sep 16 08:30:42 2008
John Pritchard from Deal
I was posted at Kinmel Park Camp, 1964-1965. I was in Imphal platoon, under Sgt Ward. Corporal Jones was in charge of the platoon. Some of the lads I knew were Peter Purvis, Taffy Jones, Paul Clegg, & many more. Left the army to concentrate on farming & playing in numerous pop groups. Also remembered Cooper from Dover area.
Mon Sep 15 08:33:43 2008
Ken Garner from Wamphray, Scotland
I was at Kinmel Park in 1949. Four months signal training, learning about Don 5 telephones, SUC 10 line exchanges and the 22 set radio. Passed out second in the class and was posted to an Ack Ack Regt. They don't have signallers! It was 46(M) HAA Regt at Bulford.
Mon Sep 8 09:21:06 2008
Alan Rotherham - Canada
Was stationed at Kinmel Park 1951-2. Finding it hard to remember names but come to mind are Joe Carr, Dick Crooks, Davie Kennard, a Williams from Chester one or two Taffy Joneses, Sgt Gaze, Capt Pickard, Major Lee, a Jenkins from Aberystwyth. Great days. Knew a girl there who worked at Lowther College, regretted that I did not keep in touch. Name was Lavinia, a local girl.
Thu Sep 4 08:25:26 2008
Reg Winn.From Barry.South Wales
To Douglas Howeld of Wangford, Suffolk. As late as September 2007 there were about 12 billets left. I have some photos.
Wed Aug 27 14:56:07 2008
John Kelly
Hello, I was conscripted in Feb 1952 for 2 yrs National Service. I plumped for the Royal Artillery, because my grandfather had been a "Rough Rider" in the Artillery when the guns were pulled by horses. At first we did 2 wks at Oswestry for kitting out, and to decide what Regiment we would be suitable for (or chose). King George had just died (in January), and all the Officers were wearing black armbands. Elizabeth was then the uncrowned Queen. She was crowned in 1953. I was then posted to Kinmel Park Camp, near Rhyl, for three months training as a Signaller. I am not sure, but I think that Bodelwyddan was the nearest town. The Troop Sergeant used to flip his fingers across his lips very fast as he tried to tell us how to pronounce it! After the three months some of us opted for a further month there in Holding Troop, to do the chores to keep the camp running. We used to go into Rhyl regularly for entertainment. As a holiday resort there were always plenty of girls there! I was then posted to Essen Kupferdreh, on the Rhur in Germany, B.A.O.R 4, where I completed my training as a Signaller. In 1953 many of the older soldiers from our regiment, and from other regiments, were sent back to Blighty to assist with sea defences, because of the flooding on the east coast of England. Later many of them were sent back to Blighty for the Coronation. Later that year my regiment, the 42nd Field Regt. were sent to Korea. I didn't go with them because I was then the Regimental Mail Orderly (a key job), and I did not have enough time to do to go with them; I stayed behind and joined the new regiment, the 48th Field Regiment as their Mail Orderly, until my demob in February 1954. It always surprises me when I look back to 1953, so much happened in that year: Elizabeth was crowned Elizabeth the 2nd, I think Blackpool won the FA cup that year and Stanley Mathews won his FA Cup medal, Hilary climbed Everest. Lots of other events occurred in that year. It was a great year for the Brits. Whilst I was on a scheme in Germany (Exercise Spearhead) in 1952 I received a message for a sergeant in our regiment to inform him that his wife had just been delivered of a baby girl. Fifty two years later I was in touch with that sergeant through the 42nd Regiment Old Comrades Association. I have just received my "Veterans Lapel Badge" from the MOD. I like it and feel very proud to wear it.
Mon Aug 25 19:42:59 2008
Roger Hughes
My Granddad was a RSM in the South Lancs Vols. I was told that he used to drill the regiments men on the prom at Rhyl. Can anyone confirm that this was the camp used by the South Lancs? There has to be a connection with Rhyl as my Gran lived in Rhyl till her death in 1974. My granddad died in a hospital in Derbyshire of, believe it or not, the flu. I personally remember a RSM at the camp whose name was Bullimore. I would be interested to hear from anyone who could provide me with any information. My granddad was RSM RA Hughes.
Mon Aug 18 09:11:34 2008
Paul from Lancashire
I was at the Junior Tradesman Regiment from 1973 till 1975 I was a driver radio operator in the RCT I have very fond memories. I can even remember my army landrover it was a short wheelbase and before we could take it out of the mt sheds we had to do what we called a W.O.F.T check: water - oil - fuel - tyres.
Wed Aug 6 10:35:33 2008
John Humby
To Don Allen, Canberra, Australia. I was at Kinmel Park in Feb 1955, I did sixteen weeks training as a regimental signaller. After completing the course I was posted to Bedford, and then to Hong Kong, I served three years. I hope this info is of some use.
Tue Aug 5 09:54:12 2008
Mick Smith (Hull)
I was posted to Kinmel Park camp in 1966 to 1969 on the permanent staff. I was the Medical Reception station cook, and also had a spell in the main kitchen. I have very fond memories of the place. Had some good times in the Ty Fry pub and also some very long walks back to camp from Rhyl when I missed the last bus after visiting the local hostelries. Happy memories.
Mon Aug 4 10:45:16 2008
Ray Butler. Knighton. Powys.
As a collector of local postcards (Knighton, Radnorshire) I come across various other postcards. This one may be of interest to anyone who served some tme at the Army Camp at Rhyl. The card is a photograph of Cromer Beach and was sent to :
228029 Lcpl T.W.Davies.
1st Mon Res Reg.
3 Hut. 13 Camp.
Thinmel (should be Kinmel) Park.
Rhyl
N.Wales.
The card carries a postmark dated 22 May 1918. I just thought someone may be interested.
Tue Jul 29 09:50:02 2008
John Black from Bristol
Hi guys, John Black ex RAMC compulsory transferred from RAMC Apprentice College Crookham along with other rogues, Phil Brooks, Ken Lewis, Attwood and Ellis (who I later saw in Munster as RMP). JTR Rhyl Jan 63 to Sep 64 cassino Platoon Ptn Cmr was a Lt Nolan OC A Coy Maj Routledge RASC and of course and how could one forget CSM Mustard RASC. I served in Regular RAMC until Sep 75. Rhyl was my education, and when I left the Army I became an undergraduate at Bristol University (75-79). I kept my hand in though and joined the TA but RAPC, was commissioned in 84 and retired from the TA in 94. Helped to supplement my beer money as a student. The BA was followed by a master's then a doctorate in 2000. Currently I am a research associate at the University of the West of England and am researching the Army Pay and record services during WW1. If anyone remembers me please get in touch. Also if anyone could assist me with my research I would be more than delighted. Did any of your ancestors serve with the Army Pay department (officers) or Army Pay Corps (WOs, NCOs and soldiers), or civilian women staff? I am attempting to trace the post 1918 life of one Dorothy Lunt from Rhyl. Her father was a sculptor, and her mother ran the Liverpool Arms. Dorothy was a civilian clerk at RPO Preston from 1916 to 1918. I share the comments of former colleagues who have contributed to this site, that JTR Rhyl was where I left boyhood for manhood, it was also my educator; this is where I gained my first O levels God bless you all. Regards, John Black.
Mon Jul 28 11:07:18 2008
Douglas Howeld from Wangford. Suffolk
I just found Bdr Ray Williams of Treorchy after 54 years. He became Pay Clerk and stayed with 38 TRRA because he was a youth international rugby star. I went to 5 RHA BAOR. We were 54-02 draft both joining on 21 Jan 54. I came out of the Merchant Navy. I went back once to find the old camp, but there was nothing that I could see. We have exchanged lots of group photos.
Wed Jul 9 15:27:40 2008
Roy Stephenson, Manchester
In July/August 1956 having finished Cookery Training at Penicuick we went back to Aldershot, we were then told that there were two camps we could be sent to, one was Salisbury Plain, the other was Kinmel Park Camp. Every year up to going in the Army I had been to Towyn or Abergele for holidays, my Gran and Grandad lived in Abergele and my Mum and Dad were going there for 2 weeks' holiday. I did not believe I was at Rhyl until I got off the train. We were to be cooking for Cadets from Wythenshawe, Manchester. We were all under canvas just up from the main Camp. I had a mate called Wally, remember the caravans at Towyn and the walk back to camp at 3 o'clock in the morning. Anyone who remembers those few weeks let me know, Steve.
Fri Jul 4 08:06:32 2008
Doug Quigley, Ffostrasol, West Wales.
I entered Kinmel in the middle of February 1957 and was put in 39bty 38regt. After a training as a wireless op which was a love hate experience that, if I am honest, never hurt me one bit. I voluntereed to go as a regimental cook {Did anyone notice how the food improved April onwards?}. Towards the end of that year they were going to post me elsewhere, and because I had started to go out with a local girl, this was not what I wanted. I managed with a bit of creeping to get a job in the garrison telephone exchange, and worked with Bdr Jack Jackson, gunners Mundy, Troman Mackie. A great job for me as my girl friend was receptionist switchboard operator at St Asaph hospital. In the middle of '58 there was an IRA scare at Bovingdon camp and as a result all camps were on a high state of alert. Shortly afterwards I had a call in the middle of the night and found myself turning the entire garrison out of their beds and onto the square, those with pips just testing us. I enjoyed my time at Kinmel and finished with 5 weeks in the mobile defence corps at Millom with demob on New Year's Day '59. Next year celebrate my golden wedding with Jacky my local girl!
Mon Jun 30 10:23:46 2008
Ivor Panting, Gloucestershire
I was based at Rhyl 1965 to 1967 - enjoyed my time there. Joined the main service and left army 1972 after injury in Ireland. Nice to see photos of our army camp. Because of the time period names are hard to remember but memories remain strong. Remember Dick Priest (R.C.T) Yorkshire and Jeff Pettifor from Bristol. We got up to some tricks together. Would like to hear from them to talk about old times or anybody that remembers me so all keep well and healthy.
Wed Jun 18 08:45:06 2008
John Davies, Essex
I was at Kinmel Park Camp beginning my army career from 1964 to Dec 1965. I was in Asten Platoon and also a drummer in the Corps of Drums. I was leading drummer for my final term. I went back to the camp some years ago only to find a dual carrageway running through the drill square! My son was also there for training in the '90s.
Wed Jun 11 09:04:12 2008
Kay Barrett
Please could someone help, my dad has bought a landrover lightweight and it served in the junior tradesman regiment between 1966-1974 but he hasn't got any info on this regiment on what they did. Any info gratefully received...
Mon Jun 9 08:09:06 2008
Bill Elliott, Newcastle
To Al Pinckard, I was the goalie in 1967 against the ACC at Aldershot.
Wed Jun 4 09:00:21 2008
Gordon (Geordie) Fenton
I was at Kinmel Park in 31 Trng. Regt. from July 1953 to July 1955. Following passing my test on a Morris 4X4, I became a Driving Instructor in 89Batt. 2MT Troop, we had "Civvy Austens", my waggon was 75BD30 and we had two trainees a time as the passenger seat was a two seat bench. I was promoted and moved up to become a Troop Instructor and ended up as a Bombadier. I am still in contact with two of my pals, Frank Morris from Wrexham and Bob Grove from Gloucester - they were both Bombadiers in the "Troops". Bob and I were in the Regimental Rifle Team and we were at Bisley 1955. I can remember so many names and can connect memories to them:- Capt. McGreggor at the MT lines, Sgt.Dempsey, Sgt.Minter, Lt.Reynolds (Rifle Team), LT. Widemere (Rifle Team) 2/Lt.Baker (Rifle Team) ,2/Lt."Nobby" Clark. Lt. Halfpenny, QMSI Warmsley (PTI), Bdr John Hughes (Con Troop), Rodger Holden, Stan Walker, Ron Oliver, Jock Hazeldene, Jonny Bastard, Jonny Cox, Jonny Roberts (Mold), Jack Roberts. Happy days.
Wed May 21 11:25:43 2008
Terry
I was in Arnhem platoon C Company from around 1965/67. A lady called Maureen in one of the posts mentioned Paddy Carrol. I wonder if he remembers me as I was arrested along with another lad on a trip to Liverpool. We were accused of stealing cars (found not guilty). Paddy had to take me to court, made me wear my bloody hat all the way there and back. On arriving back at JTR both of us were thrown in the Guardroom. The Guard Commander was a SGT "Jock" - he used to teach Signals - got a right telling off. Was also on fire piquet the night the TV room in either A or B C ompany went up in flames. The regiment was mustered on the parade ground in the early hours of the morning whilst myself and others battled the fire till the Fire Brigade arrived. Still had to start work at 7.30am though. Here are a few names I remember: -
Paddy Carroll Perm Staff Sgt RA
Ivor Panting JTR shooting team C Coy
Alan VENTRESS RMP Arnhem Plt C Coy
J/pte MOXON RCT
Andy SARSONS Arnhem Plt C Coy KSLI
Sgt BEAMSON RCT Perm Staff Sgt
Lt ENSOR SWB Perm Staff rode round the camp on a blue motor bike.
Wonder what happened to them all.
Wed May 21 08:39:32 2008
Ruth, Nottingham
Interesting to read all your comments about Kinmel Park Camp. My great-uncle, Fred Whitehouse, was a PT instructor at Kinmel Park Camp 1959 to 1960. He would like to trace his colleague from that time, James/Jim Williams. James was born around Wednesbury area, had the nickname Brom, had a girlfriend called Gail, and would now be aged in mid-70s. Does anyone remember Fred or Jim?
Thu May 15 08:17:50 2008
Taff Johson now living in Cambridgeshire
I was at JTR from Sep 68 to Sep 70. I was four foot and a bit when I joined and started eating meat for the first time and grew to a staggering 5 2". Looking back - it was great - at the time - it was hell - over and over again. I was in Anzio pl A Coy. Our CSM was W2 Smith (looked like Tommy Cooper). I started in the SWB but came to my senses and transferred to RCT.
Wed May 14 08:53:12 2008
Stuart Martin
I would like to invite you all to the JTR RHYL forum. Come and join us, you could meet old mates there so see you there - jtrrhyl.10.forumer.com/
Tue Apr 29 08:49:53 2008
Brian Cooper, Hitchin, Herts
I was a signals instructor at Kinmel camp, 1956 to 1958. Had a great time and would like to hear from any other squaddies who were there at the same time.
Fri Apr 25 09:31:56 2008
Al Pinckard
I don't know how many times JTR won the Junior joint services cup in those days but I was part of the team that won in 1970. We had a goalie called Tait
Tue Apr 22 07:42:00 2008
Eric Woolley, Bilston
I was stationed at Kinmel Park, training as a regimental signaller late April to May 1951. I played in the Welsh 3rd division cup final on Prestatyn's ground and remember scoring twice as the 38th regiment won the cup. I would like to hear from anyone who remembers anything about the match and also I would like to hear about the Naffi girls who were there during this period.
Mon Apr 21 09:46:29 2008
Bill Elliott
John Brown Jarrow. Good to remember old memories of the Army Cup Final. I was the goalkeeper! Remember the reception we got when we returned to camp. Seems like yesterday - where have the years gone? Hope you are keeping well. Have you heard from any of the old team?
Wed Apr 16 09:18:47 2008
Dave Rainford
Hello Alex, my dad was a RQMS just before he retired, 26 years' service. The regiment was getting posted back to Germany. I think they were the last regulars before the junior leaders took over Kinmel camp. Just to let anyone know, his RSM Norman Angus - past away a few weeks ago.
Mon Apr 14 08:24:43 2008
Ronnie (Jock) Waugh, from Dumfries, Scotland
Was at Kinmel Park camp around September 1956 and did my driving course in 3 ton Bedfords. I have happy memories of these days, and the mates I had back then. I wonder what became of them all. I remember one of our drill sergeants, I think his name was Brownlaw or Brownow, and there was a bombadier whose real name escapes me, but he was known as Black Jack, and was a terror to us all. Would love to hear from anyone who was there at that time.
Tue Apr 8 08:17:32 2008
Brian B Conwy
I had a very interesting day at the TY FRY pub - four ex Kinmel Park camp members had a little get together. Thanks Reg from Henly. I actually served with 72 Bty 38 TRRA, the other Bty was 39 Bty at the top half of our side of the camp. I arrived one Feb day in 1957 having spent two weeks at Park Hall camp, Gobowen, nr Oswestry. After 'passing out' as a 3 star signaller I was retained to train as an instructor rather daunting as I was only 17yrs and 9months. The average age of the squads was 23 yrs, most having completed their apprenticeships. I stayed there with 38 until Dec 1960 when I moved across to 31 Regt and joined 'F' troop - anybody heard of it? They were good days. I met my lovely wife Rene there at the dance hall above Burtons. I heard lots of stories about the JTR lads whenever I went home to visit. The only bit left of the camp is at the top of engine hill - the 30 metre range was moved further up the hill so that they could build the A55 through. It is still in used by the TA and Cadets.
Mon Apr 7 09:28:59 2008
Reg Fearman, Henley on Thames
To Reg Winn and other interested parties. The Royal Artillery Reunion of 80/81 and 89 Battery will take place at the Ty Fry Inn, Bodelwyddan, at 12 noon on Saturday, 5th April. All those who passed through Kinmel Park Camp in the 1950s are welcome. There are plenty of B&Bs in the area for those wishing to stay over.
Tue Mar 25 09:54:57 2008
Eric Wilson, Newcastle upon Tyne
I haven't got a good memory, but I joined the junior leaders in the seventies. I was in the core of drums, and remember the Cavern Club and my very first girlfriend. From the stack of local girls that used to come. Went on to join 32 heavy reg ra at Hildershiem, Germany, best years of my life which will never return.
Tue Mar 25 09:39:04 2008
Reg Winn
Reg Fearman, can you advise what time table you plan for your meeting and have you sussed out any accommodation?
Mon Mar 10 09:39:37 2008
Reg Winn
Reg Fearman, just been informed that I will not be at the reunion due to a family wedding. I am gutted.
Mon Mar 10 09:17:29 2008
Ken Phoenix, Adelaide, South Australia
To Keith (Geordie) Sayers. Hey Geordie we had to be part of the same intake. I was in 5 Platoon under Sgt Jack Newby RA. Then I went to A company where I was J/Sgt, and the CSM was WO2 Mustard RASC. I was Royal signals and trained as Driver Op. Mates were Ken Pearson, Al Pidgeon,Alan Pearce, Keith Proctor, John Pond, Benny Hill to name a few. Happy to hear from any of the old lads.
Mon Mar 10 09:17:04 2008
Susan Gibbs, Sutton Coldfield
Hi there, I have just been looking at my father's marriage certificate and under the residence section is the name of the camp that my father was stationed at. The address is: Sunningvale Camp, Kinmel Bay, Abergele, Rhyl. I hope this helps.
Mon Mar 3 08:50:06 2008
Brummie Wright
I arrived in Rhyl in Sept '68 for my start in the army and never looked back. After Cambrian in 4 platoon with Sgt Stewart RPC who was a great guy, I joined the Champion platoon imphal platoon a coy. Had Sgt Don Clift as troop Sgt and later Sgt Martin Choke RCT. This was when I learnt the meaning of comradeship and never regretted a day of my time at Rhyl. At times it was hard but you always had your mates to help you along. Thanks to all the permanent staff and civvy instuctors who gave me a purpose in life. JTR RHYL WHERE BOYS BECAME MEN.
Fri Feb 29 07:57:07 2008
Trev Galtress, Grantham
Dave Godwin.
You had probably left by the time I got there but some of the names you mentioned lived on. Mr White in the gym conned me into joining the boxing hobby, my record was 1 fight, 1 win, retire and move to rugby. Your Lt Griffiths went on to be a Colonel, I played rugby with him when he was a Captain and he later became my CO at 1 Ord Bn.
Al Pinckard.
It must have been a trait of the RCT PSIs cos mine was Sgt Jock Robertson RCT and Cpl Paddy Cavanagh RWF and they used to take anyone feeling a bit homesick round to their quarters for a meal and a bit of home comfort. I was on the receiving end of their hospitality when I collapsed during a room inspection, because I had been so busy doing mine and others' room jobs that I missed breakfast. Happy Days!
Thu Feb 28 11:20:40 2008
Ian McDonald, Walkerburn, Scotland
Get up you miserable bunch, welcome to JTR Rhyl. I went there in 1970, cold, hard but very enjoyable times. Hard to believe it is 38 years since I stepped off the train at Rhyl wondering what I had let myself in for.
Wed Feb 27 09:04:58 2008
Brett from Battersea
1955 in Oswestry then driver training at Rhyl. No, not good days but I did sign on for 3 years and went to HQRA I HERFORD BAOR15 where the good times started. Germany was great. Sad time for me when I left for demob in 1958.
Wed Feb 27 09:03:16 2008
Reg Fearman, Henley on Thames
In answer to Reg Winn, Feb 18. The 31st 80/81 Battery was the accepted driver training outfit and the 38th 89 Battery for Signals. We hope many ex Gunners will turn up at the Ty Fry on April 5. I can only be contacted through this website due to the rules of no email addresses. Hope you will be there. Reg Fearman, 22496767
Mon Feb 25 09:09:31 2008
Reg Winn, Barry, South Wales
Ray Fearman can answer a question for me. I was at Kinmel Park from mid November 1952 for the 8 weeks training as a National Serviceman. The second half I trained as a driver, passing out as a driver B4 before being posted to the Canal Zone. Can you please remind me of which battery was used for driving and which one for signalling? How are the arrangements going for your reunion? Reg Winn 22735868.
Mon Feb 18 10:40:01 2008
Dianne Clay from Hinckley, Leicestershire
I've just come across a photograph of my (late) dad Peter Lord pictured with other members of 81 Battery 31T.R.R.A at Kinmel Park. Can anyone help me with more details please or remember my dad? Thanks.
Mon Feb 11 09:24:15 2008
Reg Fearman Henley on Thames
Further to my e-mail of 24th December there will be a reunion on Saturday 5th April at noon. We plan to meet at the Ty Fry Inn, Bodelwyddan. "We" - four of us hope to meet up with former Gunners of the 1950s who served or passed through the 31st and 38th but all welcome. Bring your photographs.
Wed Feb 6 11:21:50 2008
Dave Godwin from Stoke on Trent
I was at JTR Rhyl from Sep 68 to Sep 69 originaly RCT but transfered in adult life to RMP and did my full time. I was in Tofrek Pl. Pl Comd Lt Griffiths RAOC. CO Lt Col Squires Queens Regt. PS I remember were Sgt Smith in the stores who always warned us about 'smelly nelly from Abergele', Sgt Smith's sidekick Charlie from the Anglians. Cambrian intake sgt was Sgt Stewart RPC who even now at 57 years old I will always be grateful to for his guidance and direction, not to mention extra drill on a Saturday night. Other PS Mr White and Cpl Bostock in the gym, SSgt Westwood and WO1 Cooper in the Clerks wing. Sgt Harding Hampshires and Colour Tutty D & D Regt. Great days.
Mon Feb 4 09:48:51 2008
Al Pinckard, Leicester
Thanks for the reply Maureen, I vaguely remember you. Your ex husband was our platoon Sgt for the first few weeks of our training and I think his and no doubt your contribution put us far more at ease and made us realise that the permanent staff were human after all. Notwithstanding I had a wonderful time at Rhyl. It was a fantastic way to start life and a great basis for the future, I learned so much. Having said that, I'm still wondering what that brass implement we received when we were kitted out, was for, we all used to stare at it with awe thinking that some day they would tell us. Something to do with cleaning buttons I believe? But our buttons were Staybrite!
Fri Feb 1 15:14:02 2008
Maureen McAllister from New Zealand
Al Pinckard asks do you remember Sgt McAllister, RCT, from C comp. I do, I was married to him and was with him at Kinmel Park Camp. Now those were happy days, when you first arrived he used to say I am your new daddy and this is your new mummy. I have never cried, laughed and been so proud, as when we saw you arrive with your bundles and leave looking so smart on your passing out parade. I used to come to the office on a Monday night and any of you feeling homesick etc would come and talk with me. I remember one laddie who came when you first got your uniforms and you had to sew your buttons on and he couldn't get the needle through the material, he was trying to sew with a darning needle which don't have a point on them. I sewed his buttons on for him and the next week he came to see me and gave me a little box of chocs (I cried). We had the flying fox at the back of our quarters, used to feel sorry for those who used to be petrified of using it being screamed at to get on with it. I remember cleaning my bedroon windows and I could see you all doing an exercise running up the hill, 3 of you hid at the bottom of the hill and when all was clear get the fags out, and when they came running back down you joined in (I laughed) and I never told on you. We used to sit with you all at the Catholic Church on a Sunday, hoping you had put the 3d in the collection and not taken it out! A lot of names I don't remember now, but Easby MP lived next door, was friends with Mark and May Haddock (Irish Regt), and still keep in touch with Paddy Carroll (from the guard room) and his family. I was out shopping in Germany (where we posted after Kinmel) and someone called my name and it was Tony Rice all grown up and handsome. I wonder if any of you remember I used to break the rules, and sometimes when the going was tough I had a few of you around to the house at times, and get a loaf bread and A10 can of baked beans and do you beans on toast and you watched the tele until nearly lights out. And proud at the passing out parades and the church service after when you marched down the aisle to the beat of the drums, your parents and relatives turning to watch you, your mums and me having a few tears. Lowther college was the girls' boarding school across the road. I also ran the childrens nursery for a while at the camp. My cousin Dave Redpath RA was at Kinmel Park in 1960, I visited him there little knowing we would be back 10 years later and living in a quarter next door to where he lived. McAllister and I divorced in the 80s and my daughter and I have been in New Zealand for 20 years. Happy memories.
Tue Jan 29 11:55:24 2008
Reg Winn, Barry, S. Wales
Craig Jones from Bolton. To find Kinmel Park Army Camp, see my comments on October 1st 2007.
Thu Jan 24 08:41:55 2008
Dave Curzon, Watford now Stevenage
I was posted to Kinmel Park camp after two weeks in Oswestry from June to October/November 1956, training to be a driver perator. I may try to get up there this year just to see if I remember any of what's left, especially Rhyl where we had quite a few good outings. After training some of us were posted to the 24th Medium Regiment R.A. Stationed in Luneburg, Germany, where I picked up the nickname of Pez. Having developed a terrible memory for names over the years the only ones I can remember are Walley from Fyffe, Jim, another Scot who worked in the shipyards and Arther Curtis from Truro. I apologise for all the names I've forgotten but I do remember a lot of faces.
Wed Jan 23 08:27:09 2008
Craig Jones, Bolton
Could anyone tell me exactly whereabouts the Kinmel army camp was please?
Tue Jan 22 09:00:20 2008
Eddie Ormesher, Bodelwyddan
I was stationed in Kinmel camp in 1960 after moving from Hereford as the SAS took over the camp I was a Matador driver in the Sphinx battery. Geordie Foster was the sgt in charge of the 55 gun. It was the 5 med regt RA7 Sphinx battery.
Wed Jan 16 08:06:40 2008
Al Pinckard
Was at Kinmel Park 1970-72 in C company huts just the other side of the road to the girls school, it may have been Barrosa not sure the ole grey matter! Had a girlfriend called Queenie whose dad ran the pub in St Asaph, had lots of run ins with Sgt Pritchard. Can anyone remember Sgt McAllister RCT? Nice bloke.
Tue Jan 15 16:36:13 2008
Keith (Geordie) Sayers
I was at KP 62/62 Imphal Pl A Coy, the Platoon Sgt was Jack Newby RA and the CSM was WO2 Mustard RASC. Trained as a clerk and really enjoyed my time at Rhyl. Had a great time there! Used to pass myself off as a footballer.
Mon Jan 14 14:36:41 2008
PETE STACEY FROM SWINDON
Joined the royal green jackets and went to Kinmel Park. I had some great times in and around Rhyl. Had some great friends and if Pete Horne reads this, please get in touch
Mon Dec 31 09:24:22 2007
Reg Fearman, Henley on Thames
I was in Kinmel Park Camp June 1951-53 having done my initial training at Oswestry. I was in 80/81 Battery, 31st Training Regiment, a Lance Bombadier working in the MT Office issuing the work tickets to the driving instructors who took the trainees in Bedford 3 tonners and Morris Commercial Quads towing gun and limber. I had a number of trips with the trainees driving the quads and towing the guns and limbers down to Sennybridge near Brecon to the live firing range. The trip was was hair-raising. Most of the intakes were heading for Korea. The 31st Regiment and also that of the 38th had an excellent combined motor cycle trials team led, I believe, by Lt. Miles which included David Weeks, Graham Beamish and Geoff Ward. Graham and Geoff became International Scramble stars in civvy life. I have seen on this page the name Sergeant Lasky who I remember well. Does anyone remember Sgt. Major Fisher, Sgt Cox, Lt. Bird (the blond-haired, blue-eyed one)? There was another Lt. Bird who came later. I am still in touch with David Weeks, Ron Evans, Taffy Roberts and, until recent times, Bill Bartlett. Frank Cartledge, who became my brother-in-law had a cushy job at the Camp as a plumber. In November this year, I visited David Weeks and we went up Engine Hill and viewed what is left of the spiders. Most of the Camp area has been privately developed as industrial units. We are planning a reunion in Bodelwyddan (maybe at the Ty Fry Inn) in April 2008. Anyone interested, please contact me via this site.
Does anyone have an aerial photograph of Kinmel Park Camp before most of it was developed as an industrial park?
Mon Dec 24 09:06:52 2007
Terry Garner, ex Royal Signals 1976-1982
Well, well you old gits...lol. The park was still there up until 2 months ago, it is now flattened ready for re-development. It consisted of approx 12 pre-fabricated buildings and there were a few brick built buildings one of which still stands. It is known now as Stafford Park holiday park but I believe it was previously the Derbyshire Miners Holiday Park or something very similar. It's a shame to see places disappear after people having so many memories within them but alas it's known as progress. I hope this twitches some of your grey matters into acton again and someone can add to this thread. It's been very interesting reading your stories and entertaining too. I wish your generation was still the backbone to this once great British Empire. Incidentally, Kinmel Camp is still there albeit changed somewhat and I believe it's not in Army hands anymore since 2 years ago. Yes, it is next to Bodelwyddan Castle and it is the place many of you remember but not actually the one referred to in the initial question. I am glad it was not just us that got up to no good but you all seem to have your wicked streaks. I believe it's what makes us ex Soldiers unique and kept us somewhat sane...lol. After all we have kept many an RSM, RP, Provost Sergeant in a job. Yes, we deserve some thanks for actually making sure the Military had such a good and understandable Policing Unit. We salute you.
Thu Dec 20 08:48:11 2007
Alex Patterson
David R, there was a Rainford when I was stationed at Kinmel Park Camp in 1960 during my National Service when we were moved from Hereford to make room for the SAS, but he was my Battery Sergeant Major in No 7 (Sphinx) Battery RA, not a RQMS unless he was promoted before I went to Rhyl. He ruled with a rod of iron and everybody had a very healthy respect for him. I remember a BONCO (Battery Orderly NCO) asking him in the battery office where I was a clerk, if he could smoke. The BSM replied, "You can go up in effing flames if you like."
Thu Dec 20 08:36:56 2007
Lyndon (George) Lewis, Newport, S Wales
Joined Jan 1966 with messrs Rogers, Webber and Harrington. J/sgt Arnhem platoon, boxer with Tommy Baker (Scouse). Phil Blackburn & j/sig Pritchard should remember epic battle between myself and j/gnr Bill Mammatt. Pl sgt was Sgt Beecham rct pl comd lt bonallack ra. Trained as a clerk. Joined South Wales Borderers (24th). Great years that will remain in my memory forever.
Mon Dec 17 08:03:39 2007
Derek Knight, Weymouth
I was at Rhyl from Jan '68 until Sep '69, spending most of that time in Tofrek Pl, C Coy. It was a great start to the Army and to adult life in general. My highlights were being awarded Best Clerk, playing football for the Regiment, competing in three AAJLRs and 3 months as a holdee.
Fri Dec 14 08:31:04 2007
Taff Francis from Gilfach Goch, S Wales
I was in the 38th as a driver radio operator from 57 to 59. A better bunch of boys you could not wish to serve with. Once a month we would take the (sprogs) up to Trawfynydd training camp and in the winter it was freezing we used to stay in old nissan huts with just an old stove in the middle, and no heaters in the cabs in those days. But it was still something I would not have missed. I remember driving from Kinmel to Sennybridge (Breacon) at 20 mph with an officer standing on the passengers seat with his head sticking out of the turret all the way down. He must have been bonkers as it rained nearly all the way. We lived in wooden SPIDER billets. I often wonder if they are still there. My memory is not so good these days and I lost my precious photos and address book of all my old buddies, but I was glad to keep in touch with gnr Harry Pate from Burscough Lanks, but sadly Harry passed away. Just a few shared memories. Taff GNR Fancis.
Thu Dec 13 08:09:17 2007
J Horner, Isle of Wight
Hi, I was at Kinmel when it was the home of the boys battery RA in Sept 1951. It was hard but great fun. It stood a lot of us 15 year olds in good stead for the years to come. Anybody out there in cyberspace remember Sgt. Magoldrick MM?
Mon Dec 3 11:23:11 2007
Tim Coveney, Macclesfield, Cheshire
In KPC Jan 71- Jan 73 ended up in Barrosa Platoon C Coy. Big Ivor Weeks from Bristol and Ollie Cromwell, where are you now, or anybody else that remembers Sgt Jones? We had one of the smallest pass out parades cos they introduced Donaldson report and a lot bailed out. Went to 21 Sqn Duisberg.
Mon Dec 3 11:07:14 2007
Jeff Stevens from Papua New Guinea
Joined JTR Rhyl in Jan of 69. After Cambrian went to C company Seoul plt. S/Sgt Job and a short RA Sgt were the plt Sgts. A great place in the summer and murder in the winter. Left in Dec 70 and joined 25 Fld Regt until demob in 76. Be glad to hear from anyone from the 'Good old days'
Fri Nov 23 08:24:24 2007
Dave Jones, Tenbury Wells
Hi, was at Kimmel Park 1964 to 1966 in A company. Passed out best boy in driving wing. Went on to Worc Regt left Army in 70s went back to JTR camp not long ago, very sad to see it now. Good time when I was there. Nice to see others miss it too.
Mon Nov 12 09:32:07 2007
Stuart Martin
Go here for the JTR Rhyl forum. Come on lads and join in the fun.
Thu Nov 8 09:22:14 2007
Terry Morland - Winchester
Went to Kinmel Park Barracks in 1964 as J/T Driver Radio Operator - I seem to remember it rained most of the time - especially on exercise on Denbigh Moors! left in 1966 and joined the RAF! Now living in deepest Hampshire.
Mon Oct 29 08:58:24 2007
Kev Billinghurst
My father was an RCT instructor at the Junior Tradesmens Regiment Rhyl, late 60s early 70s. Anyone remember a Sgt Merv Billinghurst?
Mon Oct 22 08:42:38 2007
Peter Fairless, Durham
To Neil Shaw, I have a photo of Seol Plt. with maj Penn centre, Tug to the right. I am straight above maj P. Back row, Royal Sigs with glasses, also one of 1 Plt. Champions.-Sgt Brae to left of cup I am 2nd row, 3 from right. You might have the same photos - Peter, Geordie, Hank or Fred, 1962.
Wed Oct 17 08:24:48 2007
Frank Gibbons
Hello Tommy Jones, although I remember you as Tom. You were in the Tank Regiment as I remember. We started in Cambrian on the same day in the same room, and we ended up in Imjin, but not in the same room. My best mate was Jed Forsythe who eventually ended up in the R Sigs. I was RE. Do you know what happened to Jed? I lost contact with him after leaving for BAOR in late '65. Do you remember Ron Carruthers and Ginge Richardson. I also came across Fos Fosbury and Scouse Stewart years later in Germany. Our Platoon Comd was Capt Barnes R Sigs and our Platoon Sgt was Sgt (Chunky) Wadsworth, fantastic guys who treated us like we were their own kids. I believe they were ex WWII, so had nothing to prove. The only other Imjin lad I have come across recently on the JTR posts is Tony Nuttall. By the way, I was a clerk, like yourself, Tom, I believe. Anyway, nice to hear you are doing well and God Bless.
Tue Oct 16 09:35:14 2007
Trev Galtress, Grantham
I did boys service at Kimnel 1970 to 72. Great memories. Interesting to hear so many talk of the RA being there because we had a Provo Sgt Paddy Carol (also Regimental Barber). The other permanent staff used to say he had been left behind by the RA. We had a mass escape when I was there. Some locals in Rhyl had beaten up a couple of young recruits so about 30 of us went into town looking for anyone who wanted a fight. We got dragged back by RP Staff after we'd had a go with some in a pub. RSM (Broom RCT) gave us a hell of a rollocking, threatened us all with discharge, the room was silent as he walked out then he paused at the door smiled and said "I don't want a repeat, but well done". We got 7 days RPs. That was bizarre, almost a whole platoon on punishment parades for a week. Happy days.
Fri Oct 12 08:52:39 2007
Bob Fowler from Grimsby
I was a driving instructor in 2 Troop 38th training Regiment R.A. at Kinmel Park from 1954-56. We trained in 3 ton Bedfords and lived in first world war "spiders". Would be great to hear from anybody who served there at that time.
Fri Oct 5 08:41:46 2007
Reg Winn
To add to my earlier comments about Kinmel Park Army Camnp, I have today returned from North Wales. I found what is left of the camp, about 12 billets remaining, the rest has been turned into an industrial estate, but as a training driver the hill/slope we marched up and down in the freezing snow and ice in November/December is still there, and so is the rifle range. It is now a cadet training camp. I hope the photographs I took turn out OK. If anyone wants to find it, come off the A55 at Bodelwyddan Castle and follow the signs for the industrial estate. Go up the hill and take the 2nd right and there you are back again and "get fell in"!
Mon Oct 1 09:10:26 2007
George Field, Rhyl
I joined Junior Tradesman Regt in September 1966 and left 1968. I was in the Durham Light Infantry, whilst there I was being trained has a Driver/Radio Op. I was put into B Coy and remember all those runs up Engine Hill in full kit. Do you remember the log runs up through the woods? Can any one remember the Trimnazium, all that scaffolding to get over then to the top of the tower told to hang onto a wooden handle then pushed off to fall 50ft hoping the Fan Assisted Brake would slow you down in time? Could you imagine what the Health and Saftey would have to say about some of the things we got up to in those days? Chakie White was the PTI at the time and there was a CSM, a small chap in the Paras, cannot remember his name. He was part of Passing out Coy. I too remember Tug Wilson. On leaving I went onto join my unit in Colchester the DLI Disbanded after a few years so I transferred to the RCT, left after doing 15yrs invalided out. Now live in Rhyl with my wife Carol who I met whilst at Kinmel Park Camp as an instuctor. I still go up to what is left of the camp with the Marine Cadets who are part of the Sea Cadet Corps so you see it's one big circle.
Mon Oct 1 08:54:01 2007
Geoff Wheeler, Dorset
To Jack Smith in Perth W.Aust. Hi, Just read your comment Re Sgt Lasky etc. Wonder where you went after.
Mon Sep 24 08:59:16 2007
S Hughes Colwyn Bay
Does anyone remember or have any information about a Radio Relay Station in Upper Colwyn Bay during WW2? It was located in the old Golf Pavilion also known as Victoria Bungalow. I have seen a photo of it with 4 tall masts.
Thu Sep 20 16:19:43 2007
S Hughes Colwyn Bay
Does anyone remember or have any information about a Radio Relay Station in Upper Colwyn Bay during WW2? It was located in the old Golf Pavilion also known as Victoria Bungalow. I have seen a photo of it with 4 tall masts.
Thu Sep 20 08:41:11 2007
Mike Jones from Perth, Western Australia
Joined JTR Rhyl at Kinmel Park Camp in 1972 as a sapper. Ended up in Soul Plt C Coy, still got the old photos.Great 2 years, we were the last lot to pass out before the regiment closed down, leaving Troon to continue on.
Tue Sep 11 08:18:28 2007
Mac Northall, Walsall
Hi Don was in the 38th Royal Artillery in 1956 training as a driver. Lots of fond memories but cannot remember where the camp was situated. Can you help? Thanks, Gunner Northall 23400419.
Mon Sep 10 09:42:44 2007
Don Allan, Canberra, Australia
I am interested in contacting people who trained as signallers at Kinmel Dec '54 - August '56 and rememeber any other gunners. As I recall there were were two camps: the 37th and 38th: one camp was for people training as signallers one for people training as drivers.
Mon Sep 3 09:49:00 2007
Tommy Jones, Runcorn
I was at the JTR Rhyl from May 1964. I was platoon Cpl in Imjin Platoon, the RSM was Mr Morgan, who I met again in Aden in 1966, he was at this time a Captain working in Brigade HQ. I remember the Dolphin Cafe in Rhyl. I have a lot of fond memories of my time there.
Tue Aug 28 12:03:28 2007
Neil Shaw from Boston, Lincs
Arrived at Kinmel Park Camp January 1962 to start training as a Dvr OP with the Royal Engineers. Worst winter for years and it was a real shock to the system. I will never forget learning how to cook compo (mutton and peas) in a mess tin over a petrol cooker in one of the drill sheds because it was to cold to do it outside! Adventure training on Denbigh moors, Church every Sunday. Happy days! I was in C Coy then later B Coy. I remember some of the permanent staff. Bombadier Heyho from the Guardroom. Tug Wilson was CSM C Coy. Sgt Brea RTR with no hair or fingernails (rumour had it that a tank had blown up under hin in WW2). Maj Penn was the OC B Coy and I met him again many years later when he was head of the Military Transport Museum at Leconfield. Lovely fella. Looking back, being at Rhyl was the best thing that could have happened to me as it straightened me up from being a total waster, gave me a second chance to improve my education, and led to a full career in the Royal Engineers.
Thu Aug 23 12:58:06 2007
Mac Northall, Walsall
More on Kinmel Park Camp Royal Artillary. I wish I could remember where it was located. I would love to go back. National Service was a shock to all of us teddy boys, especialy the hair cut. I think Park Hall Camp, Oswestry, was where we were kitted out then on to Kinmel Park. My time there was 1956 not as stated in my last comment - 1955. All the best, gunners Mac Northall.
Thu Aug 2 08:42:53 2007
Reg Winn from Barry South Wales
I reported for National Service on 6th November 1952 to Oswestry. After 10 days "induction" we then went to Kinmel Park Army Camp. We did 4 weeks "square bashing" then to the Driving School for another 4 weeks where most of us passed our driving test and a course on minor fault finding to become "B4" drivers. I was one of the unlucky ones that had to stay in camp over Christmas 1952 to guard the vehicles, armed with a pick-axe handle. They did allow us to go into Rhyl for a few hours on Christmas Day. Oh happy days.
Tue Jul 31 09:29:33 2007
Mac Northall
Did my National Service at Kinmel Park Camp 1955. Is it still there? Anybody out there remember August 1955 onwards?
Mon Jul 30 07:46:56 2007
Peter Fairless from Durham
Hank or Geordie-Seoul plt.c-company, 1st intake 1962, under Sgt. Brae and Sgt. Pullin. Our c.s.m. was nicknamed Tug. Friends I remember where Somerset Nicholls from Wells; Tom Draper, Cliff Salisbury, Hodgy, Twister, Colin Howe. I was the money lender. My teddy boy suites did't go down well on my first locker inspection. I remember the fire picket duties, haircuts and inspections at the guardhouse before we could go out. But we use to go through the hedge and not book out. What about the girls' school?
Fri Jul 13 09:16:53 2007
Jack Smith from Perth Western Australia
Re GEOFF WHEELER DORSET 14/6/2006. I was also at Kinmel Park at the same time. I well remember Sgt Lasky, Sgt Major Kent, Sgt Bert Butler and his sidekick Bdr Jack O'Shea. The night driving in Bedford QLs with skind chains on the wheels in 8" of snow - and the naffi girls.
Tue Jul 3 08:59:09 2007
Declan Watchorn from Dublin
Trained there 1970 in jtr regiment - very fond memories. Would like to hear from old comrades.
Mon Jun 25 08:30:22 2007
Ken Phoenix, Adelaide, South Australia
I also joined the Junior Tradesmens Regiment in 1962, and was the second intake. One of the best experiences in my life on reflection, re-educated, well prepared for the good life that followed. Trained as Driver /Operator Royal Signals. Didn't enjoy the big boys army did my 6 and called it a day. But it led to good things in the communications industry and a good life here in Australia. Hope it was as fortunate for all the other lads. There is a JTR Rhyl website running, check it out.
Mon Apr 30 08:32:10 2007
Donald Brake
Great to read the comments below. I was there from 65/67. I trained as dvr/op. I well remember Sgt Everett and his oppo Sgt Thackery. Happy days.
Mon Apr 30 08:18:08 2007
John Brown from Jarrow upon Tyne
I joined as a Junior Trademan Medic in September 1966 till 1968. I have great memmoirs of my time there from the IJLR runs they seem to get harder each year up Engine Hill and the run to Sealand Ranges, to the tree rope walks in our best studded ammo boots. Climbing up Snowden and the river crossings to being keel hauled under an assault boat on a lake near Snowden, bring back great memories. My platoon Sgt was Sgt Tug Wilson who lived on Engine Hill, I wonder what ever happened to him I would like to know if anyone knows of him. I went to the house to help with the gardening, it got us out of camp. The experience of the camp gave me good grounding in what the Army at that time was all about. To this day 26/04/2007 I still have very fond memories of the friends I made and the staff that taught you. I left to join the Regular Army at Catterick Camp and then served 27 years before my retirement in 1992. I was very sport mad and I was a member of the football team that went all the way and won the Junior Army Cup Final at Aldershot against The Junior Army Catering Corps Aldershot. We played at the main Aldershot Stadium. It was not possible to bring any supporters due to the foot and mouth outbreak at the time in North Wales, so the Royal Signals training wing sent a radio relay to camp and all the trainers and junior tradesmen could get a ball on ball account of the game. I was very proud to be associated with that team. We had great players. On return to camp we were met by the Corps of Drums and escorted to the cookhouse for our cup winning meal. All along the road stood the training staff and junior tradesman and they clapped and cheered us. The meal was provided by the Army Catering Corps but for once they were on our side. I remember the team manager was a Capt Smith ACC. It brings a lump to my throat even now. Finally, there was a large article in the local Rhyl paper of our victory. If anyone reading this remembers me I would love to hear from you about our time at Kinmel Park Camp 1966 to 1968.
Fri Apr 27 08:50:59 2007
CAPT BILL BARLOW BEM ACF - Bury
I arrived at Kinmel Park on Sep 11 1962, and if I remember correctly, we were only the second batch of Junior Tradesmen. I remember that the Camp was huge, with both a large NAAFI and a St Andrews Club. There was even a cinema. At that time, I think the Junior Soldiers were being trained as Clerks (like myself), Drivers, and Driver Ops. As a lazy 16 year old with attitude, Kinmel Park was a shock, but looking back, it was a character building experience. The most difficult thing to get used to was the fact that in Junior Company, we only received 10 shillings of our pay each week. The rest was kept in our "Credits" for when we came on leave. Learning to type was a nightmare. I seem to remember a Mr Binstead as the main instructor, and I remember quite clearly, being sent out of the class for swearing at the typewriter! We never seemed to have a minute to ourselves, for even in the evenings, there was "Hobbies". Mine was canoe-building, and although it took about 6 months to build the damn thing, at least we got to go on a D of E Canoeing Expedition down the Avon. Linked to this though, was the fact that to go on the Expedition, one had to pass a swimming test. This was conducted in the boating lake in Rhyl - in November! No wet suit either. I don't think Health and Safety considerations had kicked in then! There are so many memories of my time at Kinmel Park, almost all of them good. Climbing up Snowdon in January snow, NOT roped together is one that still makes me tremble. My saddest experience is of our Platoon Commander being killed in a Road Traffic Accident during the end of term Exercise. That was in November 1963. For almost 7 days solid, us young lads that volunteered to be on the Firing Party, were put through our paces in one of the Drill Shreds by the RSM. On the day of the Military Funeral, I was staggered to see so many people in attendance. The coffin was laid on a gun carriage, and the Regiment's Band, with drums covered in Black were at the rear. As we stepped off, I don't think that I have ever been so nervous in my life. We slow marched down the hill and out of the main entrance, directly onto the old A55, and along the road to the Marble Church cemetery. Once there, the committal took place, with the Firing Party firing volleys over the coffin. I struggled to stay on my feet, my knees were shaking so much. Anyone visiting the Church, will find the grave close to the boundary wall. It has the usual Military headstone. I have been back to Kinmel Park many times since I left, due to being a member of the Permanent Staff of Gtr Manchester ACF. On my last visit, the old Driver Training Circuit was still there. Goodness knows how many times I drove around that. Only a few of the "Spiders" are left, and they were for small TA and ACF Units training at Weekends. Clwyd ACF has its County HQ there. Although 80% had gone, I still had a tremendous feeling of nostalgia. I think it is true to say, that my life really began to have meaning on the day that I arrived at Kinmel Park Training Camp.
Fri Mar 9 09:32:13 2007
Chris Best, North Yorkshire
Joined up as a Junior Tradesman at Kinmel Park Camp in Sep 64, left May 66. A Coy. My recruit company sgt was one Iccky Ward Royal Fusiliers (met him in NI some years later when he was his battalion's RSM). Great soldier. Pl Sgt in A Coy was Sgt Cranny, Grenadier Guards, Platoon Commander, Lt Ransome-Williams RA (retired as a lieutenant colonel). Can't remember company commander, nor CSM. BQMS was a gunner. CO was a jock (Black Watch I think) - Lt Col Johnston (I think). MO was Lt Col Grey (or Gray). WOI in charge of Medics Training Wing was WOI Jones (retired major - still keeps in touch with the Corps at Keogh Bks, Mytchett) replaced by Tom Duffy (Irishman, retired as a major, now dead). I think the RSM was RASC (RCT) called Hedges. Great couple of years and a solid foundation for 35 years subsequent service. A hobby for life. Fond memories.
Tue Mar 6 08:19:18 2007
Colin Stray (ex RAMC) Now in Mexico
Arrived KPK in April 65. Remember Ivor Panting (Glosters) Bob Wall (RCT or REME) Anthony Knowles, Roy Dando. My CSM (BSM) was Stumpy somebody in B Coy, Roy Hales in Intake. Never had constipation the 2 years I was there. Must be something they put in the food. Of course, I fell in love with a local girl who I met in the cafe in town. Her name then was Sheila Warren. Great time.
Mon Mar 5 07:34:12 2007
James L Stanley, St Helens, Lancashire
I have a copy of my Uncle William Ellis Stanley, Marriage Certificate. Dated 14/7/1917. His Address was Kinmel Park Camp, Bodelwyddan, North Wales. This should settle the argument of where the Camp was.
Wed Feb 14 10:52:31 2007
David R
Between 1959 and 1962 my father was the RQMS. We had just come back from Malaya on the SS Navasa, we lived at 21 Coronation Close. One funny thing near bonfire night a truck load of stuff turned up for the bonfire, we took some toy lorries made of wood and painted in army colours home. When RQMS Rainford saw them he hit the roof. Next day two soldiers in a lorry came and took all the 'junk' back, I was 5 yrs old at the time.
Wed Jan 24 09:34:08 2007
Bob Russell, Buckinghamshire
In my National Service in 1957 I had the great good fortune to go with my platoon to Kinmel Park for 3 weeks to demonstrate patrols in action to the Army Cadet force. We were blacked up for night patrol demos and were excused virtually all kit cleaning, formal parades and were even allowed to sleep in. Some of us borrowed a rope from the QM store and in the evenings went climbing on some inland cliffs about 2 miles from the camp where there was also a marvellous isolated little pub run by an ex London policeman. One of the most enjoyable 3 weeks of my life. A year or two before then, Kinmel Park was on maximum security because the IRA had broken into an armoury in Berkshire and all army camps were on alert. The officers' mess at Kinmel was at the top of the hill above the camp and a dark and narrow road led up the side of the camp to the entrance where a sentry was posted. A 2/Lt friend of mine was stationed at the camp and one evening went to a pub in Rhyl with some friends and walked up the hill to the mess at closing time. When they got to the entrance, one of them said to the sentry "begorrah and where's the armoury" whereupon the sentry dropped his rifle and fled! Poor kid had only been in the army 2 or 3 weeks and this was his first guard duty in a remote and dark place. My friend and the others decided to go on to bed in the mess and to say nothing but when they woke up in the morning, there were destroyers in the bay and the press en masse. The guard had tied himself up and got into the back of a lorry and told a tale of sparring with the IRA and the press ran a story about the heroism of the young soldier in foiling an IRA raid. Evidently the CO when he was told the truth took it in good part and the event was quietly hushed up.
Tue Jan 9 10:11:04 2007
Tom. Clarke. Carlton near Selby
Just to say hello to John Trend as I did my two and a half years boy's service in Kinmel 1965-1967 the best two years of my 24yrs service some of the names of the staff are legendary Sgt (puke) Everet. Sgt (Hicky) Ward SSM Assenti and many more. Have been back a number of times but very little left of the place, shame really but that's progress for you.
Mon Dec 4 09:23:33 2006
Brian Hughes Prestatyn.
The 'Army Camp' in Rhyl is not the same site as Kinmel Camp which was very extensive alongside the A55 at Bodelwyddan. The Derbyshire Miners site on Marsh road may well have been the Bolsover camp. My own memories are of Kinmel camp as I lived in the house opposite which my father purchased from the Headmistress of Lowther college. Her ownership followed that of Randolph Turpin. I worked in Smokey Joe's green hut(ww1 relic) next door to the new Primary School.As I progressed through my teenage years in the 1960's I worked for the naffi as a grocery delivery boy, and in the camp cinema selling sweets in the interval. They wouldn't allow girls to do that job! The army camp was a marvellous playground for village boys with security very lax we played in derelict tanks and all had some odd item of uniform. Helmets, water bottles, webbing, cartridge cases and more lethal munitions were swapped like trading cards. As an adult I purchased the old post office down in the old village and ran a small pottery next to the wayside cafe. Happy memories.
Fri Nov 17 08:14:13 2006
Peter Peech Horsforth Leeds
Yes I remember Kinmel Park in 1946. Learning to drive first 15cwts then 5 tonners on the road to Abergeli. A large camp huge parade ground. Music over the outdoor loudspeakers. The David Rose Orchestra among others. Mountains of spuds to peel. Good food and seconds for us growing lads if wanted. Good friends good memories. I still have a picture of Bodelwyddan marble church. The Font was a large sea shell held by two little girls. a story there I guess but I dont know it.
Tue Sep 26 10:02:29 2006
Geoff Wheeler from Dorset
I did nine weeks driving course at Kinmel Park camp at end of 1947 national service. Remember the threat "you don't want to be in sergeant Lasky's mob". Guess where I landed...wonder if anyone else out there has memories of this sergeant of dubious parenting?!!
Thu Sep 14 12:13:15 2006
John Trend
I was posted to Kinmel Park Camp in 1966 as a member of the permanent staff, as the camp was a boys camp for all Regiments it had a school and a small military museum plus a driving school which is where I learnt to drive. I got posted from there in 1968. I went back in the early 80s, most of the huts had gone and it was overgrown.
Thu Aug 24 13:43:15 2006
