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JOHN SMITH, CHESTER
June and Pat - hi, you're right what your saying. I was there for 4 years in 70s. Split up from my brother and sisters and would be grounded if I was seen talking to them. Wet the bed and did they make you pay. The nuns thought hitting you with a coathanger would stop it. Made it worse if anything. I remember being forced to eat semolina. No good memories of that place.
Tue Jun 9 08:41:19 2009
June
Pat, I was at St Clare's for part of the time that you were there. I was there from around 1945 to 1952. Like you, I remember the terrible physical and mental abuse and some of the awful routines and things that happened at night times.
Thu Jun 4 07:58:50 2009
Pat, St Clare's Convent 1947-1955
I was sent to St Clare's in 1947/8 and left in June 1955. Life at St Clare's was horrible. We were physically and mentally abused by the nuns. I came to St Clare's as a motherless orphan due to the circumstances that I had lost my mother at the age of 3 and then being abused by my stepmother, I used to suffer from bed wetting. The nuns humiliated me in every possible way they could because of this by calling me 'smelly wet bed' and in the nights they would parade me around the dormitory with a wet sheet over my head. During the hot summers were the worst as the nuns wouldn't allow me to have a drink at supper due to the bedwetting.
Tue May 19 12:36:46 2009
Lynn Spaul
I think I may have found my GG Grandmother on the 1881 census at Pantasaph Convent. I believe the rest of her family may have been in the Kirkdale workhouse in Lancashire. I wonder, could anyone suggest why she would have been there? Her parents were both born in Ireland and of the Roman Catholic faith. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Mon May 18 10:01:49 2009
Sam Booth from Southport
Hello to everyone who has posted on this site. I am trying to trace rather earlier than any date mentioned here. My husband's great grandmother was sent to St Clare's with her two sisters from Ireland. On the 1881 census, two of the sisters appear aged 10 (Elizabeth Killeaney) and her sister aged 8 (Kate Killeaney). The sisters told me in the early 1970s about the three girls, but had no knowledge of what became of them after they left (said there was a fire and some records were destroyed). If anyone can shed any light on this in any way, I would be most grateful. I note that others on the site have requested knowledge of records but no-one, to my knowledge, has yet posted an answer about the whereabouts of any remaining records. Good luck to you all in your own searches. Sam.
Mon Apr 6 10:19:21 2009
Mike Berry, Liverpool
Hi, I was at St Clare's, Pantasaph, when 1 month old in 1968 until its closure in 1977/78. We then moved to Petit House and I was fostered by a lovely Liverpool family in about 1981. I was cared for by Sr Carmel (sadly she passed away in 1997) in her flat along with Mary Fogarty and John McDonald. I have nothing but great memories of Pantasaph and in the primary school my best friend was a local lad called Jason Ballard. Sr Carmel is my 17 year old daughter's (Laura) Godmother. We regularly visit Sr Carmel's grave at Pantasaph, in fact we popped in this Saturday (28/2/09). I recall our flat having to stay in Sr Catherine's flat as Sr Carmel's father was not well in Ireland. I slept in the end bedroon (by the fire escape) and recall that the wallpaper had cars on it. In fact, about 1988 my mate and I broke into St Clare's and the same wallpaper was still visible! We even rescued some of the Disney character wall prints from my flat and took them to Sr Carmel who was living in Qeensferry with Sr Marie Therese - safe to say she told me off for entering such a dangerous building but there was a twinkle in her eye! I have also seen Sr Catherine at the nun's retirement home in Pantasaph and seen Miss Swarbrick, my headmistress at the primary school in Pantasaph. Happy memories!
Wed Mar 4 09:24:13 2009
Louise, Wrexham
My mum went to St Clares about 1956 and has no happy memories from there. My mum told me a stories of being made to eat food even when it was making her sick and also was made to walk to the toliets in the dark and there were some spiders on the floor and she had to walk over them to get there, which has affected her for her whole life - even though she tries to hide it.
Mon Feb 23 09:00:15 2009
Tamsin, Manchester
Hi, this is a message in response to the message posted by Nicola Harrison nee Jackson. Lisa is my mum and she remembers you as a little girl and she remembers your mum, David and Bernadette. She would be would be happy for you to contact her.
Wed Feb 4 10:05:50 2009
Derek, Wrexham
TO MARIE DAWSON, I Remember sr Francis if she was at Pantasaph between 1962 and 1977. I have also seen a sr Francis in the last 5 years, but I also know that there was a sr who unfortunately passed away but did live a long life. The sr Francis I knew was a real nice person (very quiet) and had something to do with helping in the chapel. She also had something to do with the nursery in the early 1960s. Also, to the person who asked about the Gizzi name I remember that name at Pantasaph in the 1960s. Eileen Hague will probably have more info. Whatever happened to Christine Martindale and David Hughes who went to Connah's Quay. Where is Anthony Henry and Mary Forgarty or John MacDonald? Still also looking for Duncan Coleville. Does anybody remember the Edwards family from Carmel by Pantasaph?
Fri Jan 16 09:30:45 2009
Derek, Wrexham
John, I think I went the second time in 1974, and I remember a group going to Lourdes after me. Did you come to Flint in 1977 and go to St Richard Gwyn High School.
Fri Jan 16 09:25:16 2009
John Smith, Chester
Derek I sure do remember you now you said about your asthma, you were quite ill sometimes if I remember. Did you by any chance go to Lourdes when myself and Jackie Bigg's brother Mark went, think it was 1977? I have a photo somewhere of the group I was with, what a strange experience that visit was. So you knew Mr Mac then, he was blind in 1 eye, you had a go at the leaves as well. I'm really happy now I know you.
Wed Jan 14 09:20:10 2009
Derek, Wrexham
John, if you were there between 1974 and 1978 you must have moved to Flint with us to Petit House. I remember Mr Mcanally the Scottish groundsman. I used to do the leaves and also clean his jag, and deliver their milk every day. If you were in sr Catherine's flat we will definitely know each other. Do you remember Joey Hughes and Duncan Coleville? These are the two lads that I spent most of my time with and I am still in touch with Joey. I am probably most remembered for always riding a bike (red chopper) or ill with asthma all the time. I was sent to Lourdes twice (did not work) I must have been a non believer!
Tue Jan 13 09:25:25 2009
John Smith, Chester
Derek, I was there 1974-78, so might have missed you. You're right about the twins tho'. Was the school right next door St Frances? I remember going there well. Do you remember Mr Macnely from the big bungalow across the road? Think he owned the farm as well. He drove a big Jag car, used to rake all his leaves all day for 25p. Used to lie in bed at night and you could see vey clearly the HTV mast all lit up in Caerwys.
Mon Jan 12 09:09:48 2009
Derek at Wrexham
John, I would need to know what years you were there. I have no doubt we probably knew each other. I was in the infants St Francis from 1966 to 1973 inc junior years and then went to Richard Gwyn in Flint 1973 to 1978. I am now 46 in age. There was 2 sets of twins. The later years was Jimmy & Andy who started in Sr Carmel's flat and then eventually joined myself and the other lads in Sr Anne's flat. Nicola, to speak to Sr Catherine the tel phone no is Bryn Mair Convent, Pantasaph. I must warn you visiting can be a bit of a lottery, depending on how long you were at Pantasaph (Sr Catherine is getting old and I do not think she remebers everybody). Let me know how you get on. I am due to visit myself!
Thu Jan 8 15:34:10 2009
John Smith, Chester
Derek, many thanks for replying, I really think I remember you. Did we play marbles in the playground? I remember the twin blond haired boys, they were older than us. I was above your flat in cartref flat with str Catherine, remember basket making and the disco in the basement, and not forgetting the sweet shop down the corridor.
Thu Jan 8 10:26:50 2009
Nicola Harrison nee Jackson
I remember sr Catherine, she looked after me too! I had assumed she was no longer alive. I would love to get in touch with her, can you help?
Wed Jan 7 16:53:53 2009
Derek from Wrexham
To John Smith and also Nicola. Who you remember will probably depend on which flat you were in. I was with all boys with SR Anne (Iona flat bottom floor). Wanda and her family came there late during the '70s while all the big families seemed to be there during the '60s. I also went on to live in Petit house, Flint, between the years of 1976 & 1978 then I returned to Wrexham once I reached the age of 16. The person I often wonder about is Robert Coogan who I shared a room with for approx 7 years. I do still visit Pantasaph and I am in touch with Sr Catherine of Catrefle flat. She is one of the few sisters who is still alive fom the era that I remember. If you still want to live there £250,000 plus will get you an apartment.
Wed Jan 7 08:21:40 2009
Tony Alcorn from Boston, Mass, US
I was born in Birkenhead in 1939 and was sent to an orphanage in Rhyl in 1944/45. We were often taken on walks to the seaside and it was from that promenade that I saw the victory parade at the end of WW2. The memories of the walks are clear enough that I could, 3 years ago, walk the road from the seaside to the orphanage. So now I can say the orphanage was on Dyserth Rd in Rhyl, and that the building is now an old age home. Does anyone have information on this orphanage?
Mon Dec 29 09:51:56 2008
Nicola Harrison nee Jackson
To Derek, I was there between 1967-71, and I remember Lisa who went into nursing, and Bernadette and David. I was only 4 then so perhaps you remember these people too. Lisa was 14ish and left at 17. I would love to get in touch with her. I looked up to her and she helped me.
Mon Dec 22 14:21:19 2008
John Smith, Chester
Hi Derek in Wrexham! At last someone replied, thanks. I just wish I could remember you. It seems that you, Wanda, Jackie are in Wrexham.
Mon Dec 22 08:24:13 2008
Derek, Wrexham
Not sure where my last comment went, hello to Eileen in Cornwall. How is John? I remember you Jackie Biggs and most people in between 1962 and 1978. To John in Chester Wanda is living in Wrexham. I remember all the big families, Johns, Baileys Hughes, Colevilles and also John Wyne. Eileen looked after me when she was young (I have not forgotten) still visit and put flowers on Annie's grave. Would like to speak to Duncan if he is out there and Eileen ring me any time, still the same just a little bit older.
Thu Dec 18 16:44:26 2008
Gwyneth Davies
Hi, it's Gwyneth here. I am replying in relation to Gaynor's comment. I can confirm as a child I lived in the area. My grandmother, Edith Connor, told me a story about Pick Pocket Hall. Until this day still wonder whether it was true or not, but here the story goes:-
My grandmother used to say that Pick Pocket Hall was haunted by the ghost of a young boy. Story has it he sang carols at the door of the house and then mysteriously disappeared. I have also, like Pat Presly, heard of the tale of the headless horseman. Gaynor, have you had any success during your time at the house finding any of the jockey's money? I find it awfully interesting. If you have any tales to tell I'd like to hear them.
Mon Dec 15 08:37:05 2008
Laura from Canada
I was just wondering if anyone on here has ever heard of Greenfield orphanage in Billinge? My mom, Kathleen Gizzi, was raised there and then sent to a convent. Not sure where, just seeing if anyone knew the name.
Mon Nov 17 08:43:13 2008
Betty Burke, West Midlands
My Great Aunts Mary and Catherine Burke were at St Clare's in 1916. Would love to know about their time there and perhaps what happened to them. Does anyone know where records might be kept?
Thu Nov 13 09:03:40 2008
Eileen Robson, Cornwall
I knew Marie, Patsy, Karen and Hazel Griffen. They were in sister Theresa's flat. I don't suppose you were still there Jimmy when we moved into the 5 flats. It was like family living - much nicer.
Mon Nov 10 08:47:19 2008
Jimmy Rowley
Hi Eileen, I vaguely remember your name. My sister, Angela, remembers you and it was my sister, Pauline, with all the dolls. I was the youngest brother and me and my brother, Tony, worked on Mr McCanaly's farm, sister Teresa was in charge of us, and I remember the Griffin sisters.
Fri Nov 7 08:05:15 2008
H [St Clare's, 1925-30s]
Does anyone remember an Ellen Price who was at St Clare's from 1925 - the 1930s? If so, please leave a message for H on this site. Do any of the ex pupils at the Orphange at St Clare's know where I might locate the records of those times?H
Thu Nov 6 15:09:58 2008
Eileen Robson nee Haigh, Cornwall
Yes, I remember the Rowley family. One of your sisters used to have lots of dolls. I don't know whether you will remember me. I was at the convent from 1955-66.
Wed Nov 5 14:47:30 2008
Jimmy Rowley
Does anyone remember the Rowleys? My brother Tony and 2 sisters Pauline and Angela. A lot of disturbing memories in there. I was in there from the age of 3, 1956-1963.
Tue Nov 4 08:07:29 2008
Margaret McGuinness
To Nik, Manchester. I have read your message, I do not recall the name but I will make enquiries among the girls I am still in touch with.
Wed Oct 1 08:14:54 2008
Knapp (nee Brown), Josephine, Bedfordshire
Stephen Johnson. I did not immediately recognise you but I was very friendly with your sister, Eileen. I was known as Jo Brown in those days. I also remember that your family used to visit on a Sunday afternoon, that was also the time when my father visited. I vividly recollect my Dad talking with your Dad, I think. Your Dad used to smoke and I was fascinated because I had never ever seen anybody ever smoke. I hope that I haven't confused you with somebody else. I have a good memory but it was a period of my life that I still find perplexing although I have developed quite a positive approach to life: managed to qualify as a nurse and now teach. I would very much appreciate it if you could convey my best wishes to your sister, Eileen.
Thu Sep 4 08:28:36 2008
Joe Mawdsley, Halifax
My mother was an orphan and was sent to St Clare's in 1907 and left in the early 1920s when she was 21. I remember her taking us back to visit the nuns but I was the youngest of her large family and don't remember much. She said that life was hard and she had to work when she should have been educated but obviously still had fond memories. She spoke about climbing to the top of "Pennyball Hill" ?? when they were allowed out.
Wed Aug 20 14:11:54 2008
Elizabeth Riverol nee Reynolds Ellesmere Port
Many thanks to Margaret for putting the photo on. I am on it, the photo shows only half of me on the far right. I have no photos of me at a younger age so I was made up to see it. Margaret you looked after the little ones and you are still looking after us. Look forward to seeing you soon.
Mon Aug 11 14:28:23 2008
Nik, Manchester
This is a message primarily directed to Margaret McGuinness, who I note has posted several times on here. I'm hoping that you (or indeed anyone) can help. For many years I've been trying to trace my mother's mother. My Mum (who's very much alive by the way - just 68 years young!) was Mary Delia Hopkins, who was placed aged just 6 months into St Clare's by her mother Kitty Hopkins towards the end of 1940, having come from Manchester. She was there for only a couple of years until 1942 when she was then placed with an adoptive family. She only found out by accident aged 16 that she had been adopted, and holds only a few letters which passed between her real mother and St Clare's around 1941/42. She does also have an early birthday card sent to her by a girl who remained at St Clare's, called [I think] Theresa Delamere. I guess its a long shot given the number of children that passed through St Clare's, but I wonder do you or anyone else have any recollection at all of Mary or perhaps any photos of that time that may have my Mum on them? It would be nice to be able to fill in some blanks of her very early life. Hope you can help, and many thanks in anticipation.
Mon Aug 11 14:27:55 2008
June Shone
Message for Margaret Scholes. Hello Margaret, thank you for posting the photo on the website - it is really interesting. I think I might be amongst the 'babies' on the front row. I would like to find out a bit more about the picture. If you are meeting up with other old girls on August bank holiday it may be there will be people who remember me there.
Mon Aug 11 14:11:32 2008
Pat Presly (nee Hall) in Adelaide, Australia
Regarding Bryn y Gwynt on the racecource in Pantasaph, what happy memories. I lived there with my family from 1956 (I was 2 yers old) to the late '70s, when I went to the US. My parents sold the house in about 1984. There is a rich history in the area and a great deal of folklaw. Regarding Bryn y Gwynt, the original rear part of the house was the betting office/etc, across the fields there is the remains of the grandstand, which supposedly had a tunnel to the house, the racecourse preceded Aintree. The story goes that one punter bet on a horse called Pickpocket and said if it won he would buy the building, it did, he bought the building and called it Pickpocket Hall. the story goes that he hid his winnings in the cellar (I and friends spent many hours tapping and scraping to no avail). The original buiding is over 500 years old and the "new" extension around 300. Ghost stories include the ghost that lights the fires on Christmas morning, the obligatory headless coachman and coach drawing up to the door, and others. I never heard nor saw a thing, but other people did. As children we all had horses and rode day in and out, winter and summer all over the district. I had an idyllic childhood in this area and will never forget or cease to appreciate how lucky I was. My good friend lived at the Pines during the same era, I do not know if they are still there.
Mon Jul 14 08:41:31 2008
Margaret McGuinness nee Scholes, Wirral
For June Shone, Thank you for the message. I was in charge of the nursery babies from 1946-1948 but I'm sorry I don't remember your name. Those concerts obviously were after I left, we also learnt to sing the Welsh national anthem years before you. It made me sad to read that you didn't get a doll at Christmas time because you were last in the queue, but children's feelings weren't considered then. I shall ask around to see if anyone else remembers you and I will let you know. I have a photograph taken in 1947/48 with 128 children plus 2 nuns(Sisters Philomena and Hubert)among the nursery babies are the 3 Savage sisters and Philomena Gill - do you remember them?
Wed Jul 9 15:15:49 2008
June Shone nee Smith
A message for Margaret McGuinness.
Margaret, one of my memories is of being in a production when I was very young and we had to sing 4 and 20 blackbirds. I remember we wore outfits made from material that changed colour with the lighting. You have written about being in pantos, so I wondered if you remember anything of this? I don't think I was very old at the time. I went to the convent around 1945 when I was aged 2. Another event I remember is when we all had to sing the Welsh national anthem, in Welsh, for the jubilee, of one of the nuns - it might have been Sister Philomena, but I'm not sure. Another memory I have is of Christmas time. Someone from a local organisation used to come to the convent with presents for the children. We had to line up in alphabetical order and choose a present. I desperately wanted a doll, but because I was one of the last in the queue there were no dolls left when it came to my turn to choose. Does anyone else remember this routine?
Wed Jul 2 08:47:36 2008
Margaret McGuinness nee Scholes
Myself and June Brown nee Wright are going to Pantasaph during August bank holiday weekend. A few other girls will also be there so we would like to see as many old girls from the 1940s as possible or even later. We will be staying in Pantasaph for a few days along with a few other old girls. Hope to see some familiar faces.
Mon Jun 30 08:01:36 2008
Bernard Kelsall from Evesham
Hi Eileen, thanks for remembering. Yes, we all wore glasses. Unfortunately, I only have a few memories of the convent as I have blocked them out. Maybe reading all the messages will bring some of the more pleasant ones back.
Fri Jun 27 07:55:03 2008
Simon
Would the surnames "Champ", or "de Capitaine" mean anything to anyone connected with St Clare's? They might have been members of the religious community.
Wed Jun 25 08:32:41 2008
John Smith, Chester
Hey, does anyone remember John, Annmarie, Mark and Rita Smith? We were in St Claires in 1973-74 in cartref flat with Sister Catherine. Had that horrible end bedroom by the fire escape. Shared with Mark Biggs. Had a sister, Jackie. I'd love to chat to them or anyone else who might remember us.
Tue Jun 24 08:36:40 2008
EILEEN ROBSON NEE HAIGH
Hi Bernard, I remember your sisters, Lilian and Jane. You all wore glasses, I think, it such along time ago.
Mon Jun 23 08:33:00 2008
Stephen Johnson, Bodelwyddan
If anybody was at St Claire's from 1955 - 1964 I was 2 - 3 yr old & was9/10 when I left. My name is Stephen Johnson & I remember Sr Anne most.
Tue Jun 17 12:13:36 2008
Bernard Kelsall
Hi all, I have just read some of the comment ref the convent. It brought back some strange memories. I was there from approx 1959-68. I was there with my brother and 4 sisters.
Mon Jun 16 09:24:32 2008
June Shone nee Smith
I was at St Clare's from around 1945 to 1952 and was placed there at the age of 2. I have mostly very bad memories of awful physical abuse, presents that were sent to you being taken away, being forced to eat food even when I was very sick, being terrified to speak in case you got into trouble. I remember Sister Anne being very kind. I don't remember many names, but I think I remember Lenita Baker, a girl whose Christian name I don't remember but I think her surname was Savage, and Pauline Toner. If anyone was there at the same time as me I would love to hear from them.
Mon Jun 16 08:27:43 2008
Eileen Robson, Cornwall
Hi Stephen, I can't recall you and your sisters but I do recall the Johns family.
Fri May 16 09:00:16 2008
Stephen Johnson
Hello to Eilleen Robson, Cornwall. Although I don't recognise your name I can relate to many of the names of some of the nuns, i.e. sister Anne Xaviour, sister Philomina. I was at Pantasaph from approx 1955 - 1964/5. I had 2 older sisters, Eilleen & Kathleen. Do you remember me or them? I can recollect some of what you've said.
Mon May 12 08:42:23 2008
Stephen Johnson (Bodelwyddan)
Hi to anyone who was at St Clares 1955/6 till 1963. I stumbled across this site when my brother told me he'd been back to Bebbington on the Wirral. He was in a home called St Edmonds, whilst I & 2 sisters, Eillen & Kathleen were at St Clares, Pantasaph. I too have many lovely memories of the place & was suprised to see something negative, but then further reading of other comments lead me to think that we must have been lucky to have been there when things improved because say I only have fond & happy times as my memories. I remember a family called Johns, they were a big family, mostly boys, 1 called Adrian in particular because he finished up living in a flat in Rhyl & I lived on the top floor.
Mon May 12 08:24:13 2008
Benet Corkill
My grandmother Margaret Laffey/O'Niell was sent to Pantasaph in approx 1914-15 at the age of 6 when her mother died in Liverpool. I too am keen to get hold of any records or registers that have her details especially when she left to go into service. Does one contact the Franciscans, Nuns or who?
Mon Apr 28 08:29:06 2008
Magaret Mcguinness nee Scholes
For Fiona Cameron and Heather Warswick
I have pictures of the Savage sisters on a group photo and also two of Kathy Bailey. I remember when Kathy went to hospital when she came back she taught us songs in Welsh. I got in touch with June Brown nee Wright through this site and she also remembers all of the below. June and I spent a few days together in Edinburgh in November 2007 and we hadn't seen each other in 59 years - we had a lovely time together.
Tue Apr 22 07:21:25 2008
Fiona Cameron
My mother was in the Covent from the 1930s through to the 1950s, she also has awful memories of the abuse, physical and emotional that the girls suffered at the hands of the staff. The same stories seem to crop up, never being allowed to keep a present that was sent directly to them, nights spent standing in a freezing corridor, being told they were bad and wicked children. My mother was 18 months old when she was placed there, what could she have possibly done at that age that was so wicked? When she had her own children she refused point blank to have us involved in any way in the Catholic church. I am glad that the children who arrived later seemed to have had a more positive experience. Her name then was Kathleen Bailey but the staff changed her first name to Geraldine, she is now 75 and living in Scotland. Anyone out there remember her?
Fri Apr 11 15:29:08 2008
Nicola Harrison nee Jackson from Stafford
Does anyone remember Sr Catherine? I was there 1967-1970 and she looked after us younger ones. I wonder if she is still alive?
Fri Apr 11 08:19:57 2008
Eileen Robson, Cornwall
I remember Sister Philomena, she was Rev Mother while I was growing up there between 1955 and 1966 and I remember Sister Ann, she was like a mother to me and all the other children in Iona Flat. She used to come down to Cornwall to see me and my husband David. We go up every year to put flowers on Sister Ann's grave. I do miss those years in the convent but I've still got my memories.
Tue Apr 8 16:05:15 2008
Elizabeth Riverol nee Reynolds from Ellesmere Port
I was in the orphanage from 1947 to 1950 when I was fostered out. I have visited the orphanage many times over the years, I don't know whether others from the orphanage feel the pull to return as I always feel I am coming home when I visit. Does anyone remember Sr. Philomena? She was the Reverend Mother. I took a photo of her in 1991, she was then 95 yrs old. She died in January 2000 aged 104. I was last there just before Easter this year and was surprised at how the new housing complex looked, I felt sad that my home was no longer there and must admit I had a cry, but times change and at least the complex does look nice. The only other nun I can remember was Sr. Anne who looked after the very young children. Sadly she has now passed away. I remember a man called Johnny Reynolds (no relation) who was very good to the children at Christmas time. I have a lot of fond memories of Pantasaph. I took all my children to see the place I was brought up in and also some of my grandchildren and was always made welcome by the nuns that were still there. I look forward to hearing about others experiences of their time at Pantasaph.
Mon Apr 7 09:45:20 2008
Heather Worswick - Preston
Savage. Does anyone remember any of the 3 Savage sisters, Helen, Dora and Judith? They would have been there approximately 1945-50.
Fri Mar 28 15:19:24 2008
Brenda Frame, Musselburgh - East Lothian
My mum, June Wright, remembers Sister Marguerithe. Her first words were that she was a very gentle spoken nun who was in the sewing room, where mum's friend, Margaret Scholes, used to help make the dresses for the girls, and also when the various theatrical productions were on, they helped make the costumes. One of June's costumes was for Princess Felicity in Aladin and again as Cinderella. Mum would dearly love to hear of anyone who has a photo of the Cinderella production - Margaret had one of the Aladin production, this being one of 2 photos of the whole of mum's early life at St Clare's. Yours in anticipation, Brenda Frame (daughter of June Brown, nee Wright).
Mon Mar 10 09:40:09 2008
Norm Davies, London, Ont Canada
My grandmother Mary Wood was a resident of the Convent around 1910-1915 when she ran away and eventually imigrated to Canada where she worked as a maid and met and married my grandfather Ernest Davies. My father Jack Davies served in the second world war and he told me once when he was on leave in England he travelled to Pantasaph and met his Aunt. I would be interested in learning of any relatives in the area as my wife has many relatives residing in the Halkyn area and we visit frequently.
Thu Mar 6 08:14:21 2008
John Smith, Chester
Was in St Clares in the mid Seventies. Was with Sister Catherine in catref flat. I shared the end bedroom with my brother Mark and another Mark. My bed was right next to that horrible fire escape. My sisters were also in the flat. Their names are Anmarie and Rita. Does anyone remember us? Some other names from the flat were Jackie, Wanda, Margret and there were twins with blonde hair below us. I cant remember their names but would love to hear from anybody who might remember us.
Tue Mar 4 09:10:18 2008
E Donachie, nr Edinburgh, Scotland
My auntie, Sister Marguerithe, was a Sister at St Clare's most of her life. I was present with the rest of her family at the Silver Jubilee of her entrance to the convent about 1951, she did most of the sewing for the Sisters, was presented with an electric sewing machine. We spent many holidays at Pantasaph as in those days the Sisters were not allowed home, this was changed about 1960 and she was thrilled to visit Scotland every 2 to 3 years until her death at Bryn Mair in 1977.
Mon Mar 3 08:51:10 2008
Clair from Flint
I am trying to find out about the history of the convent, ie when it was built and what its original use was! Photos of the old building before it has been recently converted today. If anybody has any info they can share with me I would much appreciate it.
Wed Jan 30 13:34:52 2008
David McCarthy from Liverpool
My grandmother, who eventually raised me, was placed in St Clare's when she was about 10 years of age, around 1909. Like a few others, her experiences at the orphanage, as she often recounted them to me, were quite harrowing. Reading the submissions on this site, it seems that the earlier memories of St Clare's are all pretty grim, while there seems to be a significant improvement in quality of the later memories.
Mon Jan 28 09:22:27 2008
CHESTER
I lived in the convent for a good few years. My name is Carol Gizzi. I have a lot of good memories and a few bad but mostly good - it was a good time of my life and I still go back for a visit.
Mon Jan 28 09:20:02 2008
Mary Cowie Dawson from New Zealand
My late father's cousin was Sister St Francis of Assisi who was a Sister at St Clare's Convent, Pantasaph, also a niece of Sister Francis's, called Suzanne Styan was brought up there. Sister Francis used to write to my father and us, in New Zealand in the late 1940s and mentioned her niece had been at St Clares. Just wondered if anyone knows of Suzanne please, or any memories of St Clare's or Sister Francis of Assisi. She was Florence Fenton and a convert to the Catholic Church, before becoming a nun. Thank you kindly for answering.
Mon Jan 21 09:00:24 2008
John Smith, Chester
MESSAGE JACKIE PERRETT: bet you don't remember me, John, Annmarie, Mark and Rita Smith. I remember you and Mark. I went to Lourdes with him!
Thu Jan 10 08:29:05 2008
Kevin Francis from Flint
My Gt Grandfather appears as a 21 yr old man working in a farm next to St Davids RC Church on the 1901 census. I cannot make the name of it on the sheet but it looks like "Convent Farm" Pantasaph. His name was John Waring and from family stories I believe he played a role as the gardener for years at St Davids and may even be buried at St Davids (something I have yet to prove). If anyone recalls him or has any stories about him, I would be delighted to hear from you.
Fri Jan 4 09:38:37 2008
Fran, Cornwall
My mother and 2 sisters were at St Clare's 1917 to 1921 appox; unfortunately their time there was very unhappy. They were Mary Agnes, Frances and Martha Kieran, sadly Martha died whilst there, the other 2 sisters were taken out when their father remarried. I suppose things improved in later years. I too have tried to get history of the convent but not been successful, tho I did manage to get a picture of the convent.
Wed Jan 2 10:41:53 2008
Eileen Robson, Cornwall
I wish all the St Clares sisters, staff and children a happy peaceful Christmas and new year wherever you may be. From Eileen Haigh.
Wed Dec 12 11:52:23 2007
Kenneth Faduk, South Africa
I can remember visiting my friend Jamie Davies who lived at Pantasaph. We had lots of fun playing football, riding motorbikes. Great memories. I lived in Mostyn and rode my bicycle to visit Jamie. My family emigrated to South Africa in 1982. I have since lost touch with Jamie.
Wed Dec 12 08:52:03 2007
Hazel, West Sussex
Does anyone know how I can access records of St Clare's Orphanage in Pantasaph? The years I am interested in are from approx. 1926 - 1930s.
Mon Dec 3 15:35:31 2007
Hazel - West Sussex
Does anyone know of a person called Ellen Price who was at St Clare's Convent Orphanage from the mid 1920s to the 1930s? I am now hoping to do research about St Clare's Convent, Pantasaph. Although my late mother was there, the records for those times at St Clare's seem to have 'disappeared'. No-one seems to know where they are. I would be grateful for any information about the Convent, particularly the Orphanage.
Tue Nov 20 09:29:20 2007
Nicola Harrison nee Jackson
I was in the convent 1967 to 1971 aged 18 months to 4 1/2. I do remember a girl of similar age called Bernadette and she was adopted along with another boy called David, I think. Would love to know how Bernadette is doing...
Fri Nov 16 08:42:07 2007
John Ponberth
Does anyone remember Mary Daly who was at St Clares in 1966?
Mon Nov 12 09:02:54 2007
Dorothy Hajela
A message for Jackie Walker; maybe your gran Mary Ann Brown and her sister Margaret would have known the Pierce children at that time. Their names were Lilian, Hannah, George, Michael and Richard. Would love to get in touch.
Mon Oct 22 08:18:05 2007
Dorothy Hajela
I am trying to trace anyone whose relative was in St Clares Convent, Pantasaph, about 1903 to 1912 and knew the Pierce children.
Thu Oct 18 14:28:47 2007
Barbara Tinsley from Flintshire
My mother died in 2003 and we have since learnt that she and her sisters were placed in St Clares after their father died - we assume in the 1920s. Their names were May, Margaret and Winifred Lappin and they were from the Birkenhead area. We don't know how long they were there and this information has only come to light looking through my mother's effects. It's sad that children were placed in such places as there was no such thing as widows pension or benefits in those days and my mother was obviously too ashamed to admit to us that her mother had had to resort to such measures. It would be nice to know of any records that could be accessed to provide more information.
Mon Oct 15 09:14:14 2007
Jackie Walker
My gran, Mary Ann Brown, and her sister, Margaret Elizabeth Brown, were both at St Clares from 1900. Margaret left in 1903 but no idea what happened to her, if any of her descendants look in would love to hear from you.
Wed Oct 10 07:59:12 2007
Pantasaph
Would love to hear more on the history of St Clares, as I live there currently.
Mon Oct 8 09:47:30 2007
Jill Davies, Maroochydore, Queensland, Australia
My memories of St. Clare's were not fond ones as most seem to be unfortunately. Mother managed The White Lion Hotel at Cerryg-y-drudion and she sent my sister Sheila(11) and I(7)in 1944 to the convent for a better education as she thought. I remember the large trunk she had bought with our uniforms etc. Unfortunately I became terribly home sick and quite ill and my sister and I ran away one evening only to have to return late as we had missed the last bus. Shortly after and after only six weeks at St Clare's Mother took us home. My memory of children being smacked with a wooden spade and made to stay by the bed for the rest of the night are still quite vivid. Having to get up early and attend Mass even though we were Anglican. Never receiving the goodies Mother brought for us when she visited. Not a lot of love and compassion around in those days. The experience for me was not a happy one.
Fri Sep 28 08:29:39 2007
Eileen Robson, Cornwall
Yes, I remember Eileen and Patrick McCabe. My name was Haigh and I remember the convent school - what happy times.
Thu Sep 13 08:17:02 2007
Eileen Robson, Cornwall
Hi Josephine, I have still got my chipped front tooth. I think we were playing cowboys and indians at the time. I might be wrong it's such a long time ago. I can remember sister Xavior, she was very strict. Can you remember Carol? She used to pick on her a lot. Wouldn't it be lovely if we could all meet up one day to swap stories?
Fri Sep 7 09:04:48 2007
Carer at Bryn Mair
It has been interesting reading comments posted as I worked with the retired sisters. We rarely heard how things used to be at St Claires. Pantasaph is a really beautiful place to be.
Mon Aug 20 11:38:54 2007
Margaret McGuinness (nee Scoles)
For MARIE LAMB, we didn't know you as Marion, do you remember the incident about the eyebrows/bootroom? As if you could ever forget. I would love to hear from you. I have answered June Brown's (Wright's). I'm hoping to be in touch with her soon.
Mon Aug 13 10:30:01 2007
(Winifred) Joan Houmbston, Worcestershire
I was at Pantasaph from 1938 until April 1951. I was aged 2 when I was placed in the orphanage (apparently by my father). I was born in Rhyl, never knew my parents but have spent many years searching with the help of my eldest daughter, with no result. Records seem to have disappeared! I'm still in touch with Margaret Scholes and Gertie State. I also still visit St Clare's on a regular basis, even though it's no longer the convent we once knew. I'd love to know what ever happened to Lenita Baker - we were together a lot during our time there. Although times were hard, I still have some happy memories. I also have bouts of sadness as I've never discovered who my family were - I would dearly love to know for both myself, my children and my grandchildren.
Thu Aug 2 08:54:59 2007
Brenda Frame, Musselburgh - East Lothian
What a lovely surprise! Can't wait to tell Mum. She has often spoken of Margaret, in fact, lately, conversation has be mostly reminising of times past. Please contact me directly. It would be so wonderful if Mum could meet up again with those who helped keep life bearable in her childhood years. She tends to hold back a bit, and I've tried to encourage her, hence using this website. Thank you so much again for getting in touch. Kind regards, Brenda - daughter of June Brown (nee Wright)
Thu Aug 2 08:44:06 2007
Margaret Mc Guinness - nee Scholes, Wirral
I was at Pantasaph from 1941-1949. I played Aladdin opposite June Wright's Princess Felicity. I would love to hear from her and any other girls who remember me to swap memories. I have photographs of June in Aladdin and Cinderella that I believe she doesn't and would like to have. I can forward copies if I know where to send them.
Mon Jul 30 07:43:49 2007
Margaret Scholes (McGuinness), Wirral
RE:- June Wright (Brown). June was my best friend at St Clares - many years ago in the 1940s. I would dearly like to get in touch, as soon as possible after all these years.
Fri Jul 27 12:54:28 2007
Loretta McGrath, daughter of Elizabeth
This is for Brenda Frame, Musselburg - Brenda, sorry I just saw your entry. I would love to talk and my Mum remembers your Mum! Please contact me - I look forward to hearing from you. God bless!
Thu Jul 26 08:28:02 2007
Annmarie Powell
I was in Pant from 11 days old in 1966 till 1973. Sister Theresa and sister Clair looked after me, but sister clair left the convent in 1971 to look after her sick mother. I was devastated when she left. I still keep in touch with sister Theresa who is now living in preston, also Mareen (sister Clair) lives there with her husband and son. All I can say is I loved being in Pant and was so sad when I left.
Fri Jul 13 09:21:42 2007
Brenda Frame, Musselburgh
To Loretta, daughter of Elizabeth McGrath (nee Conway My mother - June Brown (nee Wright) was at St Clare's Convent from around 1938 through to early 1950s. I have left comments previously on this page, but no replies - possibly, as there were so many girls there, they may not remember. It would be nice to be able to have contact especially as us children (albeit grown-up!) have never known Mum's side of the family. Again, if anyone out there does remember June Wright - with the very white skin (so much so, the nuns used to give her castor oil) - and black hair, who was always giggling & getting into trouble. I would love to hear from them. Brenda Frame (daughter)
Mon Jul 9 11:24:42 2007
Loretta, daughter of Elizabeth McGrath (nee Conway
My mother was at St Clare's Convent from about 1937 until 1950 (or so). She has told me many stories from her time at the orphanage. I would love to hear from anyone who was there during the same time.
Wed Jun 13 08:46:02 2007
Nicola Jackson, Stafford
I was at the convent 1967-1970. I remember Sister Catherine and Bernadette and Peter who, I think, were adopted together. An older girl, Lisa, who was inspirational to me, who I think became a nurse. I was 18 months when I entered and 4 1/2 when I left. I remember Christmases there with an orange in a pillowcase. Sadly, not many cuddles, and the whole experience has coloured my life since. Would love to see the records of my stay, milestones, potty training, medical issues, developmental issues. Would love to hear from Lisa or Bernadette.
Wed May 23 11:10:30 2007
Knapp (nee Brown) Josephine, Bedfordshire
I stayed at St Clare's and left in 1959. I remember Patrick McCabe; he used to have the end cubicle in the dormitory when we were put into groups with Sis Xavier. I also remember Eileen Haigh - I was the one responsible for chipping your front tooth. I was very friendly with Caroline Brown who I left there and promised to get in touch but never did. I would love to hear from anybody who was there at the time.
Mon May 21 10:13:58 2007
EMC
Do you remember Miss Barlow nursery class, putting down a mat to sleep for an hour in the afternoon? Sister Dolores, infants class, washing milk bottles in that great big sink and putting them in the crate? Sister Theresa in the Junior class reading "The Secret Garden" had me spell bound. Infants class, doing multiplication tables from those big posters with a green background with black type on them? Burtons biscuits pack of three, I was in charge of them at the break time. Miss Swarbrick, Robin Williams lookalike? or what? The swings in that field near what I suppose was called The Pines? Planting daffodil bulbs under the tree in that patch of grass next to the school? The rabbit run and feeding lettuce leaves to them? Singing in class to the schools radio programme "Greeen Grow the Rushes Oh"; watching Mr Pastry on telly in black and white on Saturday afternoon in the playroom with our chairs all lined up "cinema" fashion in Sister Xavier's group in the play room. She was very kind but could also be sooooo sarcastic. Lots more memories eg the dormitories; the refectory with those big urns; bonfire night at the back of the convent; the chapel and its smell of incense; calgary on corpus christi... on it goes...
Mon Apr 30 08:22:29 2007
EMC, London
Does anyone remember Patrick and Eileen McCabe 1956 to 1963?
Mon Apr 30 08:20:15 2007
TC - Home Counties
My mother and her three sisters lived at St Clare's in the 1950s and possibly very early 60s. Their surname was Henderson. They are currently interested in finding their sister Josie who they lost contact with shortly after leaving the convent and being split off into care. (My mother was only reunited with her other two sisters after 30 years). Does anyone remember them or perhaps any idea how I can help my mother and aunts try to trace their sister? If so I would really appreciate a reply.
Mon Apr 16 09:51:18 2007
Hazel, Chichester, West Sussex
Message for Ann of Chorley.My late mother Ellen would have been at the Orphanage at St Clare's, Pantasaph, roughly about the same time as your mother. She went into the Orphanage during the mid 1920s and left in the 1930s. If you do manage to find out anything about the way the children were cared for at St Clare's, please leave me a message on this site.I went to St Clare's for the first time last week and was amazed at the size of the place. I was unable to have a close look around because of construction work on the site. However, the conversion of the buildings into homes looked very good. Even the Chapel is up for sale as a residential home. I am pleased the Convent was turned over for housing and not demolished. Hope to hear from you.Hazel.2.4.07
Mon Apr 2 16:34:53 2007
June Brown (nee Wright), Musselburgh
Yes, I remember the itchy black stockings only too well! Also, punishments were many, one of which were having to kneel on the landing for approx 4 hours. However, the nuns forgot about me, and left me there all night (I was 12 at the time). I slunk into bed when I realised no one was coming after a few hours...it was freezing! BUT before everyone got up, I got back into position on the landing, and the nuns discovered me, and told me off for being stupid and staying there all night! You couldn't win!
Being Catholic has many stipulations, one of which is Benediction...the incense used nearly sent me into a coma, whether it was the back & forth motion of the holder, or the fumes, or sheer tiredness, my eyes used to go crossed & and I'm sure I swayed in unison, and the nun used poke me in the back to wake me up! Just some of the many memories in store.
Tue Feb 20 15:59:27 2007
Barbara Carr Mission Viejo, Ca. USA
My sister, Joan Barton, was in the convent from about 1935 through 1943 in the orphanage section. She remembers having to wear black ugly stockings which they had to knit themselves and some of the food was awful but most of all, it was being terrified to say anything, even when she was very ill with an abscess on her tooth, and another time, having a dreadful earache, and no one noticing.
Fri Feb 16 12:33:08 2007
Hazel West Sussex
Tricia, you can view photos of St Clare's on the Francis Frith Web site. Also, if you Google search St Clare's Pantasaph, you should come up with quite a lot of information about the place. Hazel
Thu Feb 15 12:19:29 2007
Hazel West Sussex
There does seem to be a great interest on this site regarding St Clare's Pantasaph, where my Mother went as a young child until 1934. Maybe we should start our own 'St Clare's' Web site!! Anyone interested? I would like to hear from you.
I have been in contact with Flintshire Archives to find out if there are any books about the Convent. There is very little. If anyone knows about any books etc, I would be interested.
Hazel
Mon Feb 12 11:32:43 2007
Jackie Perrett, Wrexham
Myself and my brother were put into care at St Clares Convent 1970, we were looked after by Sister Clare. I have some good memories. Also Father Francis who took myself to Liverpool Empire to dance in a show after seeing our school play. Is he stil alive? Our surname was Biggs.
Fri Jan 12 16:27:37 2007
Ros Shaw, Merseyside
I lived in Pantasaph in a house called Argoed (next to The Pines) from about 1955 to 1960. Still drive through it every now and again and the new conversions of The Fielding Arms and the convent are something to behold! I wonder if anyone has any history of the house that is known as The Pines? When we lived next door there was a family called Gabbitas (not sure of spelling) and they had a son called Warwick. Nice to hear of the village again.
Mon Jan 8 10:22:02 2007
June Brown, nee Wright, Musselburgh
My mother June Brown (nee Wright) recognises the name Marion Lamb, @ St Clare's Convent, Pantasaph around the same time in late 1930s onwards. Mum lives in Musselburgh, Scotland now, near me. Marion went into service for Mr & Mrs Whin in North Wales, and when Marion left, my mother, June Wright, went to work for the couple (who were local gentry)...there may have been happier memories for some children at the convent, but I grew up with the knowledge of a much darker side to the Catholic church. Mum had many experiences which a child should not have had any knowledge of, or suffered. To know you are not wanted by your own family is bad enough at 6 yrs old, but to be told you are wicked on a regular basis by virtual strangers, you have been put into their care, is unforgivable...penance should be carried out by those who inflicted such emotional and physical pain on those too innocent and unable to fend for themselves. Mum's experiences caused her much emotional trauma, and these still, at 73, surface on occasion. It made me even more determined when I had children myself, that they would never experience such deprivation, even though I was a generation removed from it, I could feel my mother's pain from an early age.
Wed Jan 3 10:14:39 2007
Lori Jane from America
I found an old Catholic book today, very old with the name Mary Joshephine Mooney, the date 1896, St Clare's Convent. I can't seem to find much on the history of this place except it was a convent/orphan home and home for un wed mothers. It sounds like a sad and forboding place. ANY info would be appreciated.
Fri Dec 29 09:18:24 2006
Marion Lamb, Wimbledon, London
Does anyone know what happened to Margaret Connolly who was at St Clare's Convent, Pantasaph, North Wales during the war (1939 onwards). Marion nee Lamb, my mother, would like to hear from her, or any news about her or indeed any other girls who were there at the time. Contact was not permitted once the ophans had left the Convent and she would dearly like to hear from anyone.
Thu Dec 28 10:57:00 2006
June Wright
My mother, June Brown (nee Wright) was in the Orphanage at St Clare's Convent in Pantasaph from 1938 (aged 5 yrs) and was there right through the war until she was 15 in 1948. Her life there was NOT a privileged one, never an issue with food, but not one Christmas present, birthday present (not the case with the day & live in boarders, who had birthday cakes, toys and other privileges). One of the highlights my mother remembers is 1 boiled egg at Easter! And this was not even in war time! Would be very interested to hear from anyone else, as Mum is 73 years (young...how she came through what she went through and stayed sane, I do not know!). Also, Mum had and still has a beautiful voice and played Princess Felicity in a production of Aladdin staged by the nuns in the early 1950s, and Cinderella in another production. One thing one of the nuns said to my mother when she was cast as the Virgin Mary in a Nativity play, "don't think we cast you as the Virgin Mary because you're good, because you're not, it's just that you've got the dark hair and suit the part"! I honestly think there was a huge element of jealousy, as Mum in her younger days could have been mistaken for Elizabeth Taylor, and I can honestly say, mum has aged an awful lot better! Unfortunately, I do not have one single photo as a record of Mum's life, and apparently there was a picture of her in this production. Anyone who can help, this would be appreciated. Kind regards, Brenda Frame (nee Brown)
Mon Dec 18 08:12:53 2006
Ann - Chorley
My mother was put into St Clare's Convent, Pantasaph in 1920's aged two months old, and was there until 1935. I would like any information of any kind about the convent, hope someone can help as my mother died in 1968.
Mon Dec 4 10:33:41 2006
Tricia Hughes from Kirkham
I am trying to trace any old photographic records or anything else regarding St Clare's Convent in the 1970s as I was there for six months and have fond memories of the orphanage.
Fri Oct 27 09:54:57 2006
Eileen Robson from Cornwall
I was brought up at St Clare's from 1955 to 1966. My maiden name was Haigh and I lived in Iona Flat with Sr Anne. I would like to get in touch with anyone who remembers me from that happy time.
Tue Oct 3 14:46:50 2006
Hazel Price from Sussex
Caroline from USA. Yes, I would love to hear more about St Clare's Convent, in particular the Orphanage there. How do we make contact please?
I have tried an awful lot of Web sites, message boards, etc but no-one seems to know where all the records of St Clare's are. Look forward to hearing from you.
Thu Aug 24 14:48:25 2006
Yvonne Matsu Japan
I was at Pantasph from 1969/3 years.Don't remember much but always felt very safe there. I was looked after by sister Xaiver. I remember a sweet shop. Where Miss cavana would give me so many sweets too many sweets! It is all i knew up until my adoption.
Mon Jul 24 08:33:26 2006
G WILKINSON, PANTASAPH
There is a house on the racecourse called Bryn y Gwynt, it used to be known as Pickpocket Hall, named after a racehorse called Pickpocket. It is said to be haunted. I can confirm this as I live there although there is nothing sinister about the house, it is a lovely home. We don't know who haunts it, there are a number of intersting stories about the house and I would be interested if anyone had a story to tell.
Mon Jun 19 15:18:05 2006
Caroline Hassall, U.S.A.
Hazel I was in the convent during the 50s. If you would like to get a hold of me let me know.
Mon Jun 5 11:53:40 2006
Sue from Oxford
I would like to read about the hstory of St Clare's Convent, Pantasaph. I was there about 1955-56 and was surprised to read that the site has been redeveloped. I was about 3-4 when I lived there, but I do have a few memories from my time there.
Mon May 22 10:32:57 2006
Abi McCullough, Newtown Powys
The farm to the west of the main road is called Lower Stables Farm and on the 1st edition OS map (Flintshire sheet 05.12, 1872) it just says 'Stables'. I think it likely that these were the stables for the racecourse - on the opposite side of the road there are several small paddocks shown. An interesting aside - within the racecourse is a Bronze Age henge (earthen circle) within which is a burial mound. Offa's Dyke also supposedly runs through the racecourse, though this may actually be a linear earthwork contemporary with the Bronze Age monument, and not Dark Age/Saxon.
Thu Oct 27 15:33:12 2005
Hazel
Would like to hear from anyone who has memories or a record of St Clare's Convent, Pantasaph.
Sun Oct 2 10:27:53 2005
