your comments
Andrea Preston, Glastonbury
I agree with Anthony Morgan Jones, Wirral, and I have embarked upon an effort to demythologise Welsh history. I am of Welsh descent, both north and south, my ancestor being Dr William Price. Currently, I live in Glastonbury and am getting fed up with the way Welsh history is being presented, likewise my Welsh cousins. We have just returned from beautiful Llangollen and today am about to meet a distant relative. Hopefully I should just be about to prove that Prince Athrys (King Arthur) existed and may well have been buried in Glastonbury. I am also unravelling the mystery of the Nanteos cup, also known as the Glastonbury cup.
Wed Jul 2 08:28:49 2008
H Pimborough, Llangollen
As with all the 'Arthurian' legend its origin lies in the conversion of the Welsh tribes to Christianity. The holy grail is the cauldron of life (see Mabinogion etc..) That is why all the christian events, Easter, Christmas co-incide with Druidic times of worship. What better way to convert people to a new religion by incorporating their old one. Incidently the legend of Saint Collen (then living around Worlds End in a cave) is invited by a messenger of Gwyn ap Nudd (the ruler of the underworld), Saint Collen meets and banishes Gwyn ap Nudd and his castle by refusing his hospitality. An allegory of the power of the early Christian faith over the Druidic beliefs... perhaps.
Mon Apr 21 09:20:30 2008
Anthony Morgan Jones - Wirral (UK)
Someone must correct all these errors, for the benefit of those Celts who genuinely want the truth. Sadly, Celtic history has degraded to myth & legend over time, &, like Chinese-whispers, is a pale imitation of the original truth of one of mankind's great historic tales.
Mon Jan 14 15:10:33 2008
Nigel Davies, Wrexham
RE comments made about king Arthur. Ask the Queen of England if she will recognise king Arthur or in Wales Arth. The queen will not comment on this question. The reason being her land does not belong to her nor her reign in Wales. Welsh is the pure language of this whole island called Britain. Just to let you know I have also heard stories about the holy grail in Llangollen as it was meant to have been kept here for a few years. Llangollen is a mystical place indeed. Merlin's name is the English name and his real name is Merddin. Maybe Hollywood should do a film in Wales about Merddin and Arth.
Thu Dec 13 08:14:16 2007
Shadow from the Ethereal Realm
Ah...another happeneing here? I witnessed it as well...I have seen many things like this. I am a guardian, protecting those who travel at night. I witnessed these strange events getting closer. Upon closer examination I witnessed Arthur on a throne, and his servants were doing this. It disappeared for they saw me. An ethereal cannot be invisible forever. So what you witnessed was for real.
Fri May 25 09:29:02 2007
Rita DiCarlo
I've had a grail vision. Over the past few decades it has been revealing itself to me. I was amazed when I found it. If you spell the months of the year vertically the grail reveals itself when you close the door of June and July placing May and August next to each other. The Y of May is the base of the "cup" which forms from the other months around it. The G of August, The R of April, The A of May the i and l of April form a curve or cup around the Y of May. There is much more to it. I am writing the book now. I hope you will join me at my new yahoogroupgrailvisioncodemaps@yahoogroups.com to explore the entire "map" that is the months of the year. Please read my opening statement. There is a Grail. It is Holy and it is revealing itself to us now in many ways. Visit www.merufoundation.org and take a look at Dan Winter and the Implosion Group's work.
Tue Apr 10 09:40:42 2007
Breanna, Virginia
Where are the origins of the Holy Grail? I still have no idea where the idea first appeared. I have read a lot about the Celtic origins, but when and where is it first mentioned of the HOLY grail. And how do you decipher the myths from legends? Is there any easy way? You cannot say that it is insane for people to think they see ghosts and what not if it's what they believe, then it is what they believe. Perhaps it is stupid of you to not believe in it. Nobody knows for sure. The human mind is actually more of a restriction. We cannot think outside of our own abilities.
Thu Mar 1 08:18:03 2007
Christopher Young, New Y
The "Grail" will always be what one makes of it - or not...much like Curly's words in "City Slickers": " The secret of Life is this ONE thing... and that's what YOU have to figure out"... as for me, I visited the Abbey this past spring (inspiring place), as well as the lovely town of Llangollen. I had my own mystical experience at nearby Castell Dinas Bran. I trekked alone up to the castle, pressing on despite lightning and a thunderstorm passing overhead, and reached the summit just in time to duck under an overhang of the ruins as a hailstorm of some 10-20 minutes duration poured down. I had come "home" to the land of my ancestors after an absence of around a thousand years, and a voice inside told me that each falling hailstone represented an ancestor or relative welcoming me home.... Back down the hill in Llangollen, it was confirmed that no hail had fallen, only rain. The mystical is what you make of it, the Grail as tangible and real as you choose it to be. I choose to treasure this memory. Oh, and "J from Shropshire," perhaps we have relatives in common!
Thu Jan 11 08:03:18 2007
Dai Williams
I studied fair hard in school, took part in most things, u know just tried, got to uni to do Applied Physics.
5 years later ended up in stone masonry, the past ten years I've been lucky enough to work on a lot of historic & ancient sites and buildings,
Mow Cop, Dinas Bran, Shrewsbury Abbey, Chester Cathedral. Many many old churches most of which have been buit on already sacred 'pagan' sites. I am in absolute no doubt what so ever that there is some energy associated with this world that we live in which is responsible for anomilies we don't understand in a scientific way. Man is lustful for taking apart everything he encounters, I hope he never unravels those things which are best left, just look what he's done with fossil fuels and splitting the atom.
Energy cannot be created only converted, energy is finite, simple deduction, if we want to survive as a race, we better figure out a way off this rock before it's too late.
Try Nant Clwyd House on Castle St, Ruthin, if ur inclined to this sort of thing, most continually inhabited house in Wales (until the council got their greedy little mits on it in 80s). And as for those who dis the power of life and earth, I got a message for ya. WAKE UP.
Thu Dec 28 12:14:02 2006
Sean Edwards, Coedpoeth
In 1984 I rough camped at Valle Crucis alone & can safely say I had one of the best nights sleep I've ever had camping rough (no shelter).
Mon Dec 4 09:24:14 2006
Miss White, South Wales
I'm sorry but anyone can say that they are seeing lights and that they can see people with hats on?
Tue Nov 28 07:47:36 2006
Martin Gillard
I have no idea what this lady saw, and with so little information at my disposal, don't feel I have the right to comment. However, the Arthurian legends are known, beyond all reasonable doubt, to be total fiction. The person probably did exist, but the legends are provable bunk. For so many people to continue to have so many deep spriritual experiences based on these legends is about as likely as meeting Goldilocks in the woods. This is not opinion, it is historic fact. I recommend you read "Pendragon, the origin of Arthur" by Steve Blake and Scott Lloyd.
Mon Oct 23 09:59:32 2006
Lauren Lathbury
I believe this lady was probably in an altered state of consciousness. She may have been picking up on beings of light that are there all the time, but on such a different vibration to us that we don't pick them up with our senses ordinarily. She may indeed have been looking 'through time' or looking into a 'parallel universe'. Quantum physics is telling us that time is a human construct, that everything is made of energy, even apparently solid objects and that really the universe is holographic in nature with infinite possibilities played out simultaneously. Science is coming close now to explaining why people experience paranormal phenomena that 'can't be real'. If quantum physicists are right the truth is much weirder than fiction and experiences such as these are quite possible!
Tue Sep 26 09:49:56 2006
Dai Williams (N Wales)
Well so many have opinion, does belief perpetuate belief, as a world we are connected. As a race, evolved yet disconnected. The Re-connection I believe has begun. If we all came from the same seed then there can be only one religion. It is in our own evolution that other religions have evolved. Devolve and accept one faith. 'Holy' 'places' have always existed, their ability to lend energy to a particular religion comes from human need/greed to harness it. Those who see 'need' it, those who see them getting it, get greedy for it. We are on an exponential in more ways than one. A phoenix is upon us. Positivity rules.
Mon Jun 19 10:44:38 2006
Jane Hayes
It is so sad that some gullible people will believe in ghosts, boards and so on - things like this are not real, to believe in such spooky goings on shows a gross misunderstanding and underestimation of the human brain. What we can conjure up for ourselves in sight and sound, especially if we are predisposed to do so, are what these people see and hear (and well a lot of the comments don't show an open, intelligent mind capable of clear thought, they show a heavy predisposition).
If someone believes X to say therefore X exists - stupid or wot? These gullible people people should learn about psychology, but of course they don't want to know, they want to put on their own little predisposed fantasies and take as 'proof' what is actually some extraordinarily laughable flawed, woolly thinking. Oh yes and err - they ought to learn about history too if they lap up that whole King Arthur thing - but as they haven't got much in the way of a brain and their thinking is a bit woolly to say the least it wouldn't be a surpise if the light never dawned for them. How stupid they would feel if it did though - so I suppose it would be the last thing they would want.
It is so sad - people like this need most protection, but they are most vulnerable. Feed 'em a line and they are hooked.
Mon Jun 19 10:23:14 2006
Benjamin Lewis, Bristol
I cannot believe in a god or the bible given evidence that science has produced. But there was a Jesus and he may have had a child. The blood line of which may continue today. However, there are only individuals in life, every individual has their own strengths and weaknesses. Jesus had his, which were amazing to those who met him at the time! But I see Jesus as a good man who cared, perhaps like a Robin Hood of 2000 yrs ago! His legend and the stories far outcry the truth.
Tue May 16 14:07:49 2006
paul North wales
I think rebecca from Lancashire has got it right. Neither the holy grail nor the bible can be proved or dis-proved. I think Billy Connolly has also got it right, he once said," IF YOU BELEIVE GOD THEN THERE IS A GOD". In situations like this, You can only beleive in, what you believe in!!
Wed May 3 08:03:44 2006
Dave, Jade & Bill from Yale
I went to the Abbey to do my Duke of Edinburgh and it was very scary. I heard the chants of monks and at first thought it was one of my friends trying to be funny, only to realise that they were all sleeping next to me. I saw shadows moving across the side of the tent, which could have been a fellow camper but didn't have the form of any other people on the trip. The Abbey is definitely haunted by restless spirits.
Mon Mar 13 10:56:21 2006
j from shropshire
Llangollen feels special if you've been there (good enough for Harrison Ford!),Crow Castle too,See Monty Pyton there! But I have an open mind, and a family tree from 840 Eliseg Pillar Princes of Powys. The old ways never die.X
Fri Mar 3 22:44:32 2006
Mike, Manchester
I belive in the Holy Grail, I don't believe it is a cup I think it may be the blood line of Christ, I think that the chuch know about it and are tring to hide it.
Mon Nov 21 14:41:09 2005
Brittany from London
The comment that was last left by Sophia only proved how incredibly ignorant and unintelligent people can be. There IS proof of where Christainity began, specifically the Catholic Church. Maybe if she would open up a history book, she would know better.
Fri Nov 11 19:28:21 2005
Sophia from North Wales
I don't think that the Holy Grail is actually a cup but I do believe it exists. I don't think it has anything to do with christianity either. In my opinion chrisitanity is just a manufactured religion because no-one has any proof of where it all began. As Rebecca from Lancashire said it's like a game of chinese whispers with everyone putting their own beleifs in. I will NEVER read the bible, it was written by men, for men so whether or not it says anything about the Holy Grail, I will never know. As far as i'm concerned, the Da Vinci code is all the bible i'll ever need.
Tue Nov 1 16:29:56 2005
Rebecca from Lancashire
Stories like that of the holy grail can never be either confirmed or denied. Neither can the Bible for that matter. Whatever your belief these are stories, whether true or not, that have been passed down through thousands of years. Even if they did originate in fact how presumptuous is it to think that these stories haven't been made all the more colourful by their tellers? Like a game of Chinese Whispers each story teller will put his or her own interpretation into the mix. History itself is merely a type of faith - a telling of tales upon which we have based our entire basis of human existance. Perhaps the true Holy Grail is to realise that religion is not a hardened fact that can be used as an excuse for man to begin wars and judge his peers, but is instead a metaphorical telling of a powerful HUMAN individual who lived as we do 2000 years ago.
Wed Jul 6 15:42:29 2005
Sue Lelliott, Surrey
The concept of a mystical or magic vessel predates the Christian tradition by many centuries, particularly in north-west Europe and the Celtic tradition (eg, Ceridwen's cauldron). Certain symbols replicate continually in belief systems and represent archetypes recognised by the human psyche. cf Jung's concept of the collective sub-conscious.
Mon Jul 4 15:00:56 2005
Sarah in St Albans
Sorry to disappoint those of a romantic bent but the holy grail was not the cup from the last supper, not that old chestnut about it actually being Mary Magdalene but a memorial cup that was commissioned after the death of Jesus, not an unusual practice in those days among the wealthy. Plus the grail does not appear in folklore until Mallory writes about it. It does not appear in any other Arthur tales before this version even though the legend had been flapping about for years.
Wed Jun 29 16:09:21 2005
Anonymus from Harrow
I think it's silly that the 'holy grail' is a legend as well as people thinking that it is religious.
Wed May 25 20:35:32 2005
Ali and Hayley Rippon from Wrexham
We were sleeping one night then all of a sudden the curtains started to move, i felt a cold shiver run through my body so i sat up to see a large tall shadow moving swiftly across the room. It stood there looking at us for a few seconds, then vanished through the bedroom wall.
Thu May 5 21:31:20 2005
Timothy, Texas
I have agree with Richard from York. Quite so. This is absurd to think that a cup would be made into a legend. The Grail is the Holy blood Mary Magadelene.
Sat Feb 19 08:18:49 2005
Sathya, Leeds
It's very difficult or sometimes impossible to prove or disprove an incident, person or a thing that existed several thousand years ago. The Holy Grail has never been mentioned in the Bible or any early documents written during the time of Jesus. Rather it surfaces somewhere in the 12th century. So I think it would be safe to assume that it is just a myth.
Wed Feb 9 17:20:25 2005
Karin from Cologne/Germany
I don't think the Holy Grail is a 'real' thing, but a kind of code for something else, something spiritual. But never mind, if someone really 'saw' something, and the other didn't then I wonder why this person saw something...something that is not in this reality. I guess, that time and distance are not really existing - only in our lives, because we need it, otherwise we don't exist, and that some people can see a glimpse of the world behind the 'curtain'.
Sun Jan 30 20:29:48 2005
Mark C, Bradford
The Holy Grail does not and did not exist. It is not referenced in the Bible or any early Hebrew text. The earliest known reference was in a poem recounting the King Arthur legends written by Chretien de Troyes. He was a French poet and fictional writer, and he wrote his poem "Le Conte du Graal" in the latter part of the 12th Century, almost 1200 years after the death of Christ. It was written as fiction. The poem does not have a Christian aura. It is Arthurian legend based on Celtic/Pagan beliefs. Don't waste your time on the Holy Grail, instead research the Ark of the Covenant.
Mon Dec 6 16:11:07 2004
Paul Stevens, Oxfordshire
Those who are interested in the Holy Grail ought to read The Ultimate Quest. For information,it pre-dates the Da Vinci Code. Ask your local bookseller or check out.
Fri Nov 26 13:29:17 2004
Drew Moran in Yorkshire
The book the da Vinci code details the history of the Grail and what it may be in some easy to read detail. It`s also a damned good read!
Sun Oct 24 09:17:07 2004
Mary Hoyt, Connecticut, USA
The description of golden robes and helmets sounds very much like a scene reported by an individual involved in the U.S. government's Remote Viewing program, as quoted in Jim Marr's book: "Opening his eyes, Moorehouse found himself in a large chamber of light. He was standing directly behind three huge golden throne-like chairs covered by strange hieroglyphics, but what really caught his attention was the three giant beings that occupied the chairs. They wore golden beards that flowed to their chests. They each wore large golden helmets. They looked to him like Greek gods..."
Tue Oct 5 21:47:30 2004
Roger Williams, New Jersey, USA
It appears that people whom are somewhat
more spiritual seem to have these type of
encounters. Maybe the rest of us should look at ourselves. Some people are blessed.
Sat Jul 17 22:22:59 2004
Sarah from Wrexham
Hi, I camped out at the Abbey on and one night my friends and I tried doing a Ouija board. We had bought a piece of wood, and a 1/2 pint glass to do it. We were only messing about and a lot of us were taking the mick, so we gave up as nothing had happened. One of the lads took the glass home with him. A few weeks before Mathew had broken a thick glass in his kitchen, which had smashed into the smallest pieces, but only from a small height. He said he was in his kitchen (which has hard tiled flooring), and dropped the glass, expecting it to break, but to his amazement...it hadn't. It spooked us out, so we may break it.
Sun Jun 6 22:42:50 2004
Peter Williams
What heppened to the supposed Holy Grail that was kept at Nant Eos? (Wagner stayed there at one time) It was kissed by pilgrims for centuries and became quite worn away.
Thu Apr 1 16:00:30 2004
James Frankcom
I read an article in the paper a couple of years ago about a lady in London who inherited from a barely known Welsh relative some items in a will. One of these items, apparently, was a map to some caves on the Powys/Shropshire borders. In one of these caves was found a cup which appeared to date from the 1st Century AD. The story goes that the cup was the Holy Grail - or at least considered to be - and was moved from Rome to Britannia in the 4th Century AD as the Roman Empire began to collapse. When Britannia was invaded by the English the cup was moved from Londinium through the Ap Vortigern family and hidden somewhere in their homeland for safe keeping...and was eventually found. Can anyone else confirm this story?
Tue Jan 27 13:48:32 2004
Pinkie, Llangollen
I live in Llan and I've seen and heard some strange goings on. It's a weird town.
Mon Nov 17 08:59:31 2003
Richard from York
I read that there was no actual object called the Holy Grail and that it was simply a name for Penitant Mary Magdalene.
Fri Oct 17 23:14:40 2003
Brigit Mcintyre from Liverpool
My mother had an unexplainable experience whilst holidaying in Wales in 1946. She heard beautiful music and singing, similar to chants, coming from the abbey. It was early evening and she thought they were putting on a service. When she commented to my father on the beautiful singing, he said 'what singing?' She was the only person out of four to hear the music. They laughed at her saying she had had too much to drink. She hardly drinks alcohol at all. It is strange and she still comments now on how beautiful the sound was.
Wed Jul 16 13:37:23 2003
Liz from Inverness
The golden beings would have been some of the ascended masters as I read of something similar but I cannot remember where or who it was. If you look on the www.tsl.org site you will get some idea but there are other sites if you type in Hilarion or the names of the other masters.
Wed Jul 16 13:36:52 2003
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