Paul Thorburn criticises Wales interim coach Rob Howley
Ex-Wales captain Paul Thorburn has criticised Wales interim coach Rob Howley's tactical approach after the 26-12 defeat to Argentina.
He said: "Robert Howley is being paid a lot of money to turn the fortunes of Welsh rugby round. If he can't do it then he needs to step aside.
Paul Thorburn“I don't think swapping players round is going to do anything if they continue to play that type of non-contact, non-physical rugby”
"I don't think highly-paid coaches should start blaming other people for the lack of performance."
Thorburn said team selection was fine but Wales got the tactics wrong.
"There were good enough players in terms of quality to have made a far better game of it." added the former full-back, who captained Wales between 1989 and 1991.
"I don't think actually you would have picked any different players. I just think they got the game plan wrong and didn't actually drive at the heart of the Argentinean defence.
"I don't think swapping players round is going to do anything if they continue to play that type of non-contact, non-physical rugby."
Thorburn was speaking as Wales start their preparation in an attempt to avoid a fifth successive defeat under Howley when they take on Samoa at the Millennium Stadium on Friday night.
If they fail to do so, Wales will have matched the losing run they suffered in 2010.
In the latest IRB world rankings Wales remain in sixth place despite the loss to Argentina, who have moved up to seventh less than half a point behind.
Howley was expected to announce his side to face the Samoans on Tuesday but that has been put back 24 hours to allow the coaches and medical staff further time to assess injuries and player recovery.
There could be enforced changes to his line-up with both Jamie Roberts and Alun Wyn Jones suffering injuries against the Pumas.
Howley had indicated he does not expect Roberts (mild concussion) and lock Jones (shoulder) to be available.
Jones is having a scan to assess the seriousness of his shoulder injury.
If Scarlets centre Jonathan Davies overcomes the groin problem that ruled him out of contention against Argentina, he could join team-mate Scott Williams in midfield against the Islanders.
But he has only taken a limited part in training, while Ashley Beck (hip) is on course to train fully this week along with Ryan Jones, who has returned from the Wales camp in Poland with a shoulder problem.
Howley hugely disappointed following Wales' loss to Argentina
Luke Charteris, who is available after playing for Perpignan at the weekend, and Cardiff Blue Bradley Davies will be in a battle to replace Jones.
Wales are having go through the autumn series without 2012 Grand Slam tight-head Adam Jones (knee) and player-of-the-Six Nations flanker Dan Lydiate (ankle).
After taking on Samoa, Wales face World Cup holders New Zealand on 24 November and Australia seven days later.
Wales squad for autumn Tests:
Backs: L Halfpenny (Cardiff Blues), Liam Williams (Scarlets); A Cuthbert (Cardiff Blues), G North (Scarlets), H Robinson (Cardiff Blues); A Beck (Ospreys), J Davies (Scarlets), J Roberts (Cardiff Blues), S Williams (Scarlets); D Biggar (Ospreys), J Hook (Perpignan), R Priestland (Scarlets); T Knoyle (Scarlets), M Phillips (Bayonne), Lloyd Williams (Cardiff Blues).
Forwards: S Andrews (Cardiff Blues), R Bevington (Ospreys), P James (Bath), A Jarvis (Ospreys), G Jenkins (Toulon), S Lee (Scarlets); R Hibbard (Ospreys), K Owens (Scarlets), M Rees (Scarlets); B Davies (Cardiff Blues), L Charteris (Perpignan), I Evans (Ospreys), AW Jones (Ospreys); T Faletau (Newport Gwent Dragons), R Jones (Ospreys), R McCusker (Scarlets), A Shingler (Scarlets), J Tipuric (Ospreys), J Turnbull (Scarlets), S Warburton (Cardiff Blues, capt).
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Comment number 133.
Clive Thomas14th November 2012 - 21:38
@ 128 I would go along with most of your selection, however, I would put North at 13, Robinson is the new Shane Williams with muscle. Steve Shingler has been in impressive form behind a rubbish London Irish team and deserves a run out, otherwise why did the WRU fight Scotland to keep his Welsh Qualification?
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Comment number 132.
BetterByBoat14th November 2012 - 13:11
@131 Would agree but to some extent it is the manner of the defeat that was most disappointing. The stark reality is that we got to the WC semi-final without beating a SH team and we beat a Irish team in the 1/4 final that is performing even worse than us. 6N included a couple of close games that we won but then we lost 3-0 to Oz in the summer. Eng lost their series in SA and Ireland .. well ...
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SouthSeaIslander14th November 2012 - 6:29
Or another idea would simply be to acknowledge Argentina? Kiwis get accused of not giving credit when the ABs lose, yet the same doesn't apply up north apparently?
Arg have learned from the RC about accuracy and fitness. No surprise they surged ahead in the last 20mins. I suggest you guys get used to the idea of losing regularly to them as well unless you lift your game as well.
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carol14th November 2012 - 0:16
72. RedRoseDave
Yeah. Nothing except three grand slams in eight years and making the world cup semi final.
Give the Welsh credit where its due. It's no wonder the celts love seeing us lose.
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Comment number 129.
Trolleyboysrugby13th November 2012 - 23:11
Yep overtrained and overcoached in Poland. What happened to just playing rugby?
Ok so the current Wales side is big and physical but that's not everything. What about passing, running sidestepping? You know like New Zealand do. One more thing. Why was the commentary team so surprised by 1/2p's constant slipping? - It happens every game and the Millennium turf doesn't help!
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