Wednesday football as it happened

Text commentary as Manchester City rescue a point late on against Dortmund and Arsenal beat Olympiakos in the Champions League.

3 October 2012 Last updated at 22:29

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  1. 2230: 

    That is it for our coverage of tonight's football. You can read all the reports and reaction on this website. I'll be back on duty tomorrow to guide you through Thursday's Europa League action. I'll see thee.

  2. 2228: 
    Blackburn caretaker-manager Eric Black, speaking to BBC Radio 5 live's Pat Murphy after tonight's 0-0 draw at Nottingham Forest:

    "I've always felt I could do a number one job. Opportunities haven't arisen for that to happen. I was happy working as Steve Bruce's assistant for a long time [at Birmingham, Wigan and Sunderland] and the opportunity never arose. Perhaps this one has.

    "There are quite a few applicants for this job who are more illustrious than I am. I know it's an exceptionally good job at a good club."

  3.  

    Sean Mortimer on Twitter: "RE Mark Jackson: Correction Mark, the 6th best English side won this last year. The 5th best English side was Newcastle."

    Edwin Okugbo on Twitter: "Only reason the PL is regarded as the worlds best is the financial power, not the football. If u can't beat 'em buy 'em!"

  4.  

    Disgruntled John, via text: "Don't know if/why I'm the only one, but as a City fan, I'm thoroughly displeased. Mancini is clueless and last season winning the title was the bare minimum I expected of him. Wherever the club wants to go, he won't get us there - Mancini out."

  5. 2223: 

    Moving away from the English teams for a minute, I think it is only right that we hail Cristiano Ronaldo, who scored a hat-trick for Real Madrid tonight as they beat Ajax 4-1. It was his first treble in the Champions League and he is now the eighth player to score over 40 goals in the competition (he has 42). The winger is already up to 10 goals for the season from eight games.

  6. 2218: 

    Daily Telegraph football writer Henry Winter, speaking on BBC Radio 5 live: "I was surprised that Balotelli didn't start for Manchester City tonight, especially given the way he turned Hummels inside out at the Euros.

    "And I really feel for Joleon Lescott. He was terrific for club and country last season. Good central defensive partnerships are based on playing together week in, week out.

    "Dortmund were fantastic. Gotze could have had four goals tonight. And when they scored, the fans started chanting: 'You only sing while you're winning.'"

  7.  

    David Gibbs on Twitter: "re Matti: who won the champions league last year? EPL is quality because of the competition."

    Andy Hudson on Twitter: "I see some suddenly insisting that other European leagues trump the #epl It's simply hogwash! And I don't often use that word!"

    Mark Jackson on Twitter: "If people are maoning about the quality of the Premiership, remember the 5th best English team won this last season"

  8. 2214: 

    OK, so as is widely accepted, City were outclassed by Dortmund tonight but the fact remains that Britain is unbeaten in Europe this week with four wins and a draw. Arsenal's win leaves them two points clear at the top of Group B ahead of the double-header against Schalke. Man City have one point - earned tonight- to leave them third in Group D, three points behind second-placed Dortmund and five behind leaders Real Madrid. You would think that City need to beat Ajax twice in their next two games to have a chance of progressing.

  9.  

    From Mike, Man City fan, via text: "We have gone backwards in the summer, losing De Jong and Johnson for us are big blows. Players like Rodwell haven't and aren't up to the standard of playing for the reigning champions, we seem to of made a lot of average signings which has transformed a winning formula into an ordinary side. I hope I eat my own words but I don't have many expectations this year."

  10. 2209:  
    Football analyst Mark Lawrenson, at Etihad Stadium

    "He does make some strange decisions, Roberto Mancini. There is something fundamentally missing from Manchester City at the moment."

  11. 2208: 

    Daily Telegraph football writer Henry Winter, speaking on BBC Radio 5 live: "It was remarkable to see the Dortmund goalkeeper thinking he could outpsyche Balotelli for the penalty.

    "You would need the finest phsychological minds from Oxford, Harvard, Yale, anywhere you want to mention to do that."

  12.  

    Matti Darowski on Twitter: "Does everyone still believe the Premier League is the world's best? Dortmund showed on the pitch and in the stands that it's not true."

    Jack Bloomfield on Twitter: "Gibbs and more so Jenkinson were pure class for Arsenal tonight. Hodgson must have realised that and pick them for England.

    Brendan Bennett on Twitter: "The amount of ex-Bristol Rovers players that score against us is astonishing (Zebroski for Cheltenham tonight). We need to keep hold of our players."

  13. 2203: 
    Manchester City boss Roberto Mancini:

    "We didn't play well. We didn't deserve to take this point but in the end it could be important. Borussia Dortmund played better than us and at this moment they are a better side. We need to run and fight for every ball. We need to fight. It's not enough to have just a good quality. I knew before the game it was going to be difficult as Dortmund have more experience in the Champions League than us. I think that Joe Hart saved us because he did very, very well. I know the problem and I will solve very quickly. If we don't improve it will be difficult (to qualify) but this point could be important."

  14. 2201: 
    Arsenal coach Steve Bould:

    "It was tough - they made it really tough for us and defended really well. We hit it off not bad, but then looked nervous. The result from the weekend drained us a little, we lost a little bit of confidence, but overall it is a fantastic result.

    "We have a look and try to correct [some things]. Overall they did not have a lot of chances but they played well. They're a good side, technically sound and made it hard for us. We watched tapes and knew they had good technique.

    "The other game [in the group] was a draw but it's early days, we've still got an awful lot of work to do."

  15. 2158: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE ROUND-UP

    Cristiano Ronaldo's second successive hat-trick inspired Real Madrid to victory over Ajax, as the Spanish giants tightened their grip on Group D. The Portuguese forward scored once in the first half and twice in three minutes after the interval to seal a resounding 4-1 victory in Amsterdam.

    Elsewhere, big-spending Paris St Germain slipped to defeat at Porto in Group A, while in Group B, Julian Draxler, at 19 years and 13 days, became the youngest German goalscorer in Champions League history, as he Schalke and Montpellier drew 2-2.

    In Group C, Malaga thrashed Anderlecht 3-0 in Belgium thanks to two goals from Portuguese international Eliseu, while AC Milan earned a vital 3-2 win over Zenit St Petersburg in Russia.

  16.  

    From Chris in Surrey, via text on 81111: "Stuttering your run up on penalties, as Balotelli did, should be banned. Really can't understand why it is allowed."

  17. 2152: 
    FOOTBALL LEAGUE UPDATE

    Tonight's League Two game has finished, and it's a 1-0 win for Cheltenham at Bristol Rovers thanks to Chris Zebroski's first-half goal.

    The win stretches Cheltenham's unbeaten run to four matches and lifts them to fifth in the table.

  18. 2151: 
    Arsenal captain Thomas Vermaelen:

    "The second half was better than the first. In the first half we were sloppy and we lost a lot of balls. It was not great really. [Assistant manager] Steve Bould was not angry, he said what was wrong and he said that we needed to be more cautious with the ball and not to lose it. Gervinho is scoring a lot of goals at the moment, he looks quick, and it is good to see. The most important thing is to win your home games in the Champions League, we have won one away from home too so we hope that we can continue to pick up points."

  19.  

    Connor, Edinburgh, via text: "Yet another example of English football fans underestimating continental teams. Anyone who's watched Dortmund for the last couple of years will know they've played that well countless times!"

    Mark, Essex, via text: "So just like two weeks ago, Man City fail to win, and they are all you can bleat in about. Every other British team won in the CL this week, and you harp on about the only team that didn't."

  20. 2148: 
    Manchester City keeper Joe Hart:

    "We've got to be happy with a point. It could have been 10-all today. Mario was not going to miss that. I don't know if it was a penalty. We kept ourselves alive in the group. I thought Borussia Dortmund were different class tonight."

  21.  

    Dave Payn on Twitter: "Same old problem for City. Yes, they managed a point. They have the squad to do very well. They don't have the right manager"

    Stephan Whyte on Twitter: "The way this shaping up, city will.need to beat dortmand in germany...not a great prospect. That was an amazing performance"

    David Morris on Twitter: "I said before the first game that City wouldn't get out this group. Haven't seen much to change my mind"

  22. 2145:  
    Football analyst Mark Lawrenson, at Etihad Stadium

    "One or two of the Manchester City side look like they're resting on their laurels. One or two of them look like they're carrying a bit of weight, actually. They're not the side they were last season."

  23. 2145: 

    Arsenal were far from their best against Olympiakos but got the job done, despite a scare when the Greek side levelled just before the break. Gervinho and Lukas Podolski once again bagged a goal apiece, with Aaron Ramsey adding a third as the Gunners make it two wins from two to top Group B.

  24. 2143: 
    FOOTBALL LEAGUE UPDATE

    Full-time in tonight's two Championship matches, with Middlesbrough and Derby drawing 2-2 and Nottingham Forest's game against Blackburn ending goalless.

    Still playing in League Two, where Cheltenham lead 1-0 at Bristol Rovers.

  25.  

    Manchester United striker Wayne Rooney on Twitter: "Have to say Joe Hart has been incredible. For me, best keeper in the world."

  26. 2142: 

    Even the loyalist of City fans will have to admit they were largely outplayed by Dortmund. But, as the old saying goes, successful sides pick up results even when they are not playing well. Joe Hart has to take much of the credit that this is the case, though. That he was City's best player by some distance tells you all you need to know.

  27. 2140:  
    Football analyst Mark Lawrenson, at Etihad Stadium

    "The penalty was harsh, but it was a penalty because the referee gave it. The defender doesn't move his arms and the ball has hit him. I think it's harsh, but City have capitalised."

    "Borussia Dortmund should have won this game comfortably. They have only themselves to blame. But they looked very, very good in all areas."

  28. 2138: 
    FULL-TIME- Manchester City 1-1 Borussia Dortmund
  29. 2138: 

    At the Etihad, we are into the final seconds. It looks like Man City have got out of jail.

  30.  

    Adam Price on Twitter: "Manchester City do not deserve that! Dortmund have been world class tonight!"

    Aiyesa Dare on Twitter: "Lesson for Dortmund. Next time when you have chances, you bury them."

    Graeme McCombe on Twitter: "What's cooler than being ice cool? Mario Balotelli."

  31. 2138: 
    FULL-TIME- Arsenal 3-1 Olympiakos
  32. 2136: 
    GOAL- Arsenal 3-1 Olympiakos - Aaron Ramsey

    Definitely game over now at the Emirates. Olivier Giroud's flick-on releases Aaron Ramsey who runs in to the box, draws out keeper Balazs Megyeri before chipping the ball over him and in. Superb finish. That is pretty much the last act of the game as well.

  33. 2136: 

    Meanwhile, at Arsenal, Olivier Giroud is so unlucky not to score as his shot from close range is goalbound but deflects off the face of an Olympiakos defender before going wide.

  34. 2135: 
    FOOTBALL LEAGUE UPDATE

    Another twist in the Championship at Middlesbrough, where Paul Coutts has snatched an equaliser for Derby, and it's 2-2.

    Theo Robinson has missed a chance to win it for the visitors too. There could yet be more late drama in this one.

  35. 2135: 

    A point is not secure for City yet, though, and Robert Lewandowski reminds them of this with a shot from range that flashes past the dive of Joe Hart but also the post.

  36. 2134:  
    Football analyst Mark Lawrenson, at Etihad Stadium

    "We should congratulate Manchester City. They've been completely outplayed, but it looks like they've earned a point."

  37. 2133: 
    GOAL- Manchester City 1-1 Borussia Dortmund - Mario Balotelli

    Substitute Mario Balotelli makes no mistake with a coolly taken penalty which he rolls into the bottom corner. Somehow, City are level and they look like they salvaging a point from a game they have been outplayed in.

  38. 2131: 
    PENALTY- Manchester City

    Lifeline for Manchester City. Sergio Aguero hooks the ball back and the ball strikes his marker Neven Subotic's arm. The referee points to the spot and City have a chance to save themselves. Penalties like this are given all the time but it won;t stop Dortmund feeling it was very harsh. Subotic was so close he could do little to prevent the ball striking his arm.

  39. 2131: 

    Big chance for City and it takes a good Roman Weidenfeller save to keep them out. Pablo Zabaleta has space on the right to cross and his delivery is met by Sergio Aguero but his header is palmed away by the keeper.

  40.  

    From Michael in Bicester, via text on 81111: "Something's not right with Manchester City this season. We don't look like defending champions in the Premier League and we look third class in the Champions League as quality players gave been replaced by ordinary ones. Mancini seems indecisive and it shows in our performances."

  41. 2129: 
    FOOTBALL LEAGUE UPDATE

    Lukas Jutkiewicz is having a good night for Middlesbrough in the Championship, as he has now scored twice.

    The striker has headed in Merouane Zemmama's cross to put them 2-1 up against Derby.

    Elsewhere in the Championship, Nottingham Forest and Blackburn are locked at 0-0. Cheltenham still lead 1-0 at Bristol Rovers in League Two.

  42. 2128: 
    YELLOW CARD- Man City - Yaya Toure

    No sign of Man City making inroads into the Dortmund defence. A long ball forward for Edin Dzeko is easily cleared by the German side. The frustration gets to Yaya Toure, who fouls a Dortmund player and gets a yellow card for his trouble.

  43. 2126: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE ROUND-UP

    Two goals in three minutes from Cristiano Ronaldo has sealed victory for Real Madrid and the Portuguese forward's hat-trick in Amsterdam. Ajax had looked threatening having come back into the game with a goal of their own. But one swing of Ronaldo's right-boot and one from his right have changed the complexion of this game. That is his second successive hat-trick, incidentally. Elsewhere, Eliseu has put Malaga 3-0 up in their Group C match with Anderlecht in Belgium.

  44. 2126: 

    Olivier Giroud has a chance to kill the game at the Emirates. He does well to get a boot to Theo Walcott's cross from the right but his volley lands safely in the arms of Olympiakos keeper Balazs Megyeri. It remains 2-1 to the Gunners.

  45. 2124: 
    SUBSTITUTION- Borussia Dortmund - Kevin Grosskreutz for Ilkay Gundogan
  46. 2124: 

    Ten minutes to go. City sending on more firepower. They have Sergio Aguero, Edin Dzeko and Mario Balotelli on the pitch now. But can they get the ball to them?

  47. 2123: 
    SUBSTITUTION- Man City - Mario Balotelli for Gael Clichy
  48.  

    From Piotr, via text on 81111: "Come back Mr De Jong. We need you!"

  49.  

    From Rob in Wembley, via text on 81111: "For all the players City have, they just can't seem to find that magic in the Champions League. Tevez and Mario are needed!"

  50. 2121: 
    SUBSTITUTION- Arsenal - Aaron Ramsey and Olivier Giroud for Gervinho and Lukas Podolski

    Arsenal's goalscorers are withdrawn. Gervinho gets big applause for what has been another good display from the Ivorian.

  51.  

    Thomas Brookes on Twitter: "Mancini can only blame himself. You can't expect to keep clean sheets if you don't play the same back four for most games!"

    Chris Wright on Twitter: "This group of death will eat City for breakfast."

    Jamie Atkins on Twitter: "Man City look like they are on a hangover from last season."

  52. 2119: 

    Dortmund should be well out of sight now. Ilkay Gundogan plays a superb low cross over from the right that is perfectly weighted to give Robert Lewandowski a clear sight of goal. However, the Polish striker fluffs his shot past the far post. Will all these missed opportunities come back to bite the German side? City will certainly hope so, but first the home side have to make inroads into the Dortmund half. And that simply isn't happening enough.

  53. 2116: 
    SUBSTITUTION- Borussia Dortmund - Felipe Santana for Mats Hummels
  54. 2116: 
    FOOTBALL LEAGUE UPDATE

    In the night's other Championship match, it's still 1-1 between Middlesbrough and Derby at Riverside Stadium.

    Cheltenham lead 1-0 at Bristol Rovers in League Two.

  55. 2115: 
    Pat Murphy, BBC Radio 5 live at the City GroundFOOTBALL LEAGUE UPDATE

    "No sign of a breakthrough here, where it's goalless between Nottingham Forest and Blackburn in the Championship. Forest midfielder Henri Lansbury has had a shot beaten away by keeper Paul Robinson.

    "At the other end, Blackburn striker Jordan Rhodes went down, and it looked a penalty, but the non-theatrical manner of his dive probably went against him."

  56. 2114:  
    BBC Sport's Chris Bevan at Etihad Stadium:

    "Manchester City look shellshocked after going behind to Dortmund in disastrous fashion and their boss Roberto Mancini has big problems. Pushing Yaya Toure further forward to take the game to the Germans seems the natural way of trying to salvage something in a game City simply cannot afford to lose but that would leave only Jack Rodwell, who was at fault for the goal, in front of an increasngly fragile-looking defence. At the moment, Toure is sitting deep, and Mancini needs to do some re-organising in midfield, and fast."

  57. 2114: 

    A rare chance for Man City this half sees Sergio Aguero break through down the left but his attempted square ball to Edin Dzeko, who would have had a clearer shot at goal, is cut out by a Dortmund defender and the chance has gone.

  58. 2112:  
    Mike Ingham, BBC Radio 5 live at Etihad Stadium:

    "Just noticing that Yaya Toure seems to be limping, which is the last thing Manchester City need."

  59. 2112: 
    SUBSTITUTION- Arsenal - Theo Walcott for Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
  60. 2112: 

    Arsenal nearly make it three at the Emirates as a free-kick is swung over for Laurent Koscielny to meet but his header misses the goal.

  61.  

    Dafydd Jones on Twitter: "Can't believe nobody in the Premier League was interested in Marco Reus. Quality player."

    Idowu Lawanson on Twitter: "Jack Rodwell has not got the quality to be in this City squad, talk less of starting."

    Titus Carey on Twitter: "Reus is a speed demon."

  62. 2111: 

    City could be dead and buried by now. They would be but for Joe Hart. The keeper saves superbly to deny Marco Reus a second with a shot from inside the area before then pulling out an even better save to tip over Ilkay undogan's curling effort from the edge of the box. Roberto Mancini's men are getting completely outclassed.

  63. 2109:  
    Mike Ingham, BBC Radio 5 live at Etihad Stadium

    "Dortmund lost all three of their away games in the Champions League last year. They're making an improvement, City are not."

  64. 2109:  
    Football analyst Mark Lawrenson, at Etihad Stadium

    "The only strange thing about the goal is that Dortmund didn't create it themselves. It came from a defensive mistake. But the goal has been coming."

  65.  

    From John in Kent, via text on 81111: "Jack Rodwell, you can't make that error at this level. Mind you, it was a classy finish!"

  66. 2104: 
    GOAL- Manchester City 0-1 Borussia Dortmund - Marco Reus

    That goal has been coming. Man City have been getting pushed further and further back and the Dortmund pressure forces an error from Jack Rodwell. The midfielder attempts a pass across his own backline without looking and gives the ball straight to Marco Reus, who speeds away before firing a shot that Joe Hart gets a hand to but for once cannot prevent going into the goal. City fail to keep a clean sheet again and they have a lot to do now.

  67. 2103: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE ROUND-UP

    Game on in Amsterdam, as Ajax pull a goal back to make it 2-1 in their Group D match against Real Madrid. The Spanish champions had appeared to have killed the tie when Karim Benzema scored with a breath-taking overhead kick but the Dutchmen are back in this thanks to Niklas Moisander, who slipped away from Michael Essien at the back post to head beyond Iker Casillas. Elsewhere, Schalke are firmly back in control of their Group B match against Montpellier after Garry Bocaly was sent off for the French side and Klass Jan Huntelaar dispatched the resulting penalty. In Group C, Malaga are well on course for victory over Anderlecht after Joaquin made it 2-0 from the penalty spot.

  68.  

    From Ben, via text on 81111: After so many doubted him last year, Gervinho has started this season brilliantly. Wenger doesn't get a lot wrong when it comes to judging potential."

  69. 2102:  
    Football analyst Mark Lawrenson, at Etihad Stadium:

    "I would take Robert Lewandowski into the Premier League tomorrow. Very, very clever player."

  70. 2102: 

    Olympiakos look to hit back quickly again after falling behind but this time Kostas Mitroglou is not so accurate with his finish as he curls a shot wide of the far post from the edge of the area.

  71.  

    From Ajay in London, via text on 81111: "Yes!!!! 2-1 up. Let's see how long it takes for Olympiakos to equalise."

  72. 2100: 
    SUBSTITUTION- Man City - Aleksandar Kolarov for Samir Nasri
  73.  

    Ashley Randall on Twitter: "Joe Hart may be in exceptional form tonight but Dortmund in this second half will find a way past him."

    Richard Paulis on Twitter: "Tonight shows Joe Hart was right. Mancini should be telling the defence to stick to defending. Joe knows what he's doing."

    Rory Boyle on Twitter: "Although Dortmund have had a handful of glorious chances, it would be typical of City to snatch a victory."

  74. 2057: 
    GOAL- Arsenal 2-1 Olympiakos - Lukas Podolski

    Arsenal back in front. Lukas Podolski provides the finish that beats Blazs Megyeri low down and finds the goal following a neat turn from the German, but it was made by Gervinho, who showed great determination on the left to keep possession and find his strike-partner in the box. The Gunners' two goalscorers tonight are the same as the ones who got them a 2-1 win at Montpellier in their first Champions League game.

  75. 2057: 

    Kostas Mitroglou has a pop from distance for Olympiakos but the effort drifts wide of the post. Meanwhile, at the Etihad, Joe Hart again comes to Man City's rescue to tip a Mario Gotze shot past the far post. But for Hart, City would be well out of this by now.

  76.  

    From Joshua in Glasgow, via text on 81111: "Why is everyone so negative about Arsenal? We have had a good start this reason. Let's believe."

  77. 2055: 

    Man City nearly shoot themselves in the foot as Matija Nastasic gives the ball away and Dortmund's Marco Reus has a chance to break forward. Just as the German is considering a shot, Pablo Zabaleta nips across to nick the ball and clear the danger.

  78.  

    Himesh Ladva on Twitter: "Everyone's praising Joe Hart.. But what about Weidenfeller? Great saves to deny Aguero."

    Niklas Lanwehr on Twitter: "Unbelievable how all the talk is about Joe Hart, yet Roman Weidenfeller kept Dortmund in the game exactly the same way."

    Sam Victory on Twitter: "I think you need to mention the Malaga goal. Probably one of the best goals I have witnessed in the Champions League."

  79. 2054: 

    Meanwhile, in Manchester, Edin Dzeko chests down on the edge of the area and turns and shoots in one movement but it is a difficult skill and his shot lacks the requisite power to challenge Roman Weidenfeller.

  80. 2052: 

    Arsenal on the front foot early in the second half. Gervinho gets in down the left and cuts back for Santi Cazorla but he side-foots past the near post from 15 yards. The Spaniard should have done better.

  81.  

    From Sanj in Herts, via text on 81111: "Arsenal need to get a grip here. Bould will be grimacing at the Olympiakos goal. There is a lack of creativity in midfield and it needs to appear. If not, Arsenal will be in for a hard second half."

  82. 2048:  
    Football analyst Mark Lawrenson, at Etihad Stadium:

    "Why does Mancini keep changing his defence around? It leaves you open at the back and it doesn't help you. I think Mancini has gone off Lescott. Nastasic hasn't particularly done anything wrong but the game has passed him by."

  83. 2047: 
    KICK-OFF - SECOND HALF- Manchester City 0-0 Borussia Dortmund
  84. 2047: 
    KICK-OFF - SECOND HALF- Arsenal 1-1 Olympiakos
  85.  

    Ifedayo's Blog on Twitter: "Re: 1954. I can't wait to see Thomas Patterson run in his underpants."

    Thomas Patterson on Twitter: "Can I just clarify that a draw does not count as a loss?"

  86. 2047: 

    So, we've had 45 minutes of pretty dire stuff at the Emirates, lit up by two moments of quality. While at the Etihad it has been as engrossing a half as you are likely to see with two teams swinging haymakers at each other - the visitors coming closer to landing - but it remains 0-0. The teams are back out at both grounds. 45 more minutes of football coming your way.

  87.  

    George Edmondson on Twitter: "It may be 0-0. But this City vs Dortmund game is the best 45 minutes I've seen this season."

    Nick Powell on Twitter: "Joe Hart repeatedly showing why he's arguably the best goalkeeper in the world. Phenomenal."

    Mark Jackson on Twitter: "How many times will Hart come to City's rescue in Europe? They can't rely on him forever!"

  88. 2043: 

    In fairness, that half could have gone worse for Arsenal. Laurent Koscielny put in a very heavy tackle that saw him go over the ball and catch Paulo Machado. You could argue he got the ball but I've seen red cards handed out for challenges like that, especially in European competition. Koscielny received a yellow card.

  89. 2041: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE ROUND-UP

    The match ball might have gone flat twice during the first half in Amsterdam, but Cristiano Ronaldo was anything but as he put Real Madrid in control of their match against Ajax and in doing so, Group D. The former Manchester United striker put the Spanish champions ahead three minutes before half-time finishing a sweeping move involving Karim Benzema. Elsewhere, Julian Draxler, at 19 years and 13 days, has become the youngest German goalscorer in Champions League history, as he equalised for Schalke in their Group B match against Montpellier. Dinamo Kiev lead Dinamo Zagreb 2-0 in Group A, thanks to Oleh Gusev's third-minute strike and an own goal from Josip Pivaric, while Malaga scored with the last kick of the first half to lead Anderlecht in Group C. Goalless in all the other matches tonight.

  90. 2040: 
    FOOTBALL LEAGUE UPDATE

    A decent first half at Riverside Stadium ends 1-1 between Middlesbrough and Derby, while the evening's other Championship match, between Nottingham Forest and Blackburn, is goalless at the break.

    One match in League Two tonight - Cheltenham lead 1-0 at Bristol Rovers thanks to Chris Zebroski's 39th-minute goal.

  91. 2040: 
    BBC Sport's David Ornstein reports:Arsenal 1-1 Olympiakos

    "Miserable weather in London, miserable football from Arsenal. Gervinho's against-the-run-of-play opener deservedly cancelled out by Mitroglou. Poor from the Gunners."

  92. 2040:  
    BBC Sport's Chris Bevan at Etihad Stadium:Manchester City 0-0 Borussia Dortmund

    "It's hard to believe it is still goalless after a fast and furious first half at the Etihad Stadium. City have kept visting keeper Roman Weidenfeller busy and the impressive David Silva missed a sitter just before the break, but the best saves have all come from Joe Hart, who has twice needed the help of his goal frame to keep Mario Gotze at bay."

  93.  

    Pistol Pete on Twitter: "Joe Hart 0-0 Borussia Dortmund"

    Dahood on Twitter: "How the match at the Ethiad has remained goaless is inexplicable! Could have easily seen 6 goals! Entertaining stuff!"

    Aaron James Knowles on Twitter: "Typical Arsenal, i saw that Olympiacos goal coming a mile off. Very poor half gooners."

  94. 2036:  
    Football analyst Mark Lawrenson, at Etihad Stadium:

    "You will not see a better 0-0 after 45 minutes. It's been scintillating. Dortmund have been the better side. But City, who haven't played well and have been slow in their build-up, have created the better chances."

  95. 2035: 
    HALF-TIME- Manchester City 0-0 Borussia Dortmund
  96. 2035: 
    HALF-TIME- Arsenal 1-1 Olympiakos
  97. 2034: 
    Darren Fletcher, BBC Radio 5 live at Emirates Stadium:

    "The word I keep hearing as people file past me is 'rubbish'. Arsenal haven't got going. They are lacking a spark. Olympiakos have got their tactics right. They're pressing Arsenal and flooding the midfield."

  98. 2034: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE ROUND-UP

    You can't keep Cristiano Ronaldo quiet for very long. The Real Madrid forward has put the Spanish champions in control of the Group D match against Ajax, poking in after Karim Benzema's surging run down the left. That only increases the pressure on Manchester City to get some kind of result tonight. Elsewhere, Dinamo Kiev have doubled their lead against Dinamo Zagreb in Group A.

  99. 2034: 

    David Silva has been a bright spark for Man City so far but he has just missed a sitter. Pablo Zabaleta chips over a cross from the right that edin Dzeko flicks on straight to Silva but somehow his side-foot finish from close range clears the bar. Almost immediately, down the other end, Joe Hart saves his side again. Dortmund's Ilkay Gundogan takes down a cross and has only Hart to beat but the City stopper stands big and strong to block the ball away on the stroke of half-time.

  100. 2030: 
    GOAL- Arsenal 1-1 Olympiakos - Kostas Mitroglou

    The Gunners' lead was hardly a merited one and almost immediately Olympiakos cancel it out. Leandro Greco gets free down the left and swings over a good cross that Kostas Mitroglou rises to meet before glancing a superb header past Vito Mannone and into the far corner. Right on the stroke of half time.

  101. 2027: 
    GOAL- Arsenal 1-0 Olympiakos - Gervinho

    Arsenal have started now. Good work from Lukas Podolski and Santi Cazorla on the left sees the former pull back to the edge of the box, where Gervinho and Mikel Arteta are lurking. The Spanish midfielder's tackle allows the ball to break to the Ivorian and he makes no mistake with a low finish. That is Gervinho's fifth goal of the season and his second in the Champions League this campaign.

  102. 2026: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE ROUND-UP

    Julian Draxler, a player Liverpool looked at last summer, has brought Schalke back into their Group B match with Montpellier. The 19-year-old raced onto a delightful pass by Klaas-Jan Huntelaar, rounded the goalkeeper, and found the net to make it 1-1. Elsewhere, Real Madrid are dominating proceedings in Amsterdam, but Ajax are holding firm for now. The same can't be said for the matchballs - two of them have gone flat during play so far. Still just three goals from the eight matches tonight.

  103. 2025: 

    It remains in the balance at the Etihad, with Dortmund looking increasingly dangerous. A miscued David Silva clearance for Man City is sliced to Dortmund defender Neven Subotic, whose well-struck shot from just outside the area curls the wrong side of the post. Soon after, Mario Gotze has only Joe Hart to beat from an angle on the left in the box but the home keeper does superbly to block with his arm. Seconds after, another Gotze effort is tipped on to the bar by Hart.

  104. 2022:  
    Football analyst Mark Lawrenson, at Etihad Stadium

    "Dortmund are prepared to gamble by playing a high line. It does leave them open, but it also means they are able to break very, very quickly."

  105. 2022: 

    How are Olympiakos not ahead against Arsenal? Giannis Maniatis crosses from the right and it drops right at the feet of Paulo Machado, who is six yards from goal but somehow pokes his shot over the bar. Massive let-off for the Gunners, who have not got going yet.

  106. 2021:  
    Football analyst Mark Lawrenson, at Etihad Stadium

    "Looks as though Javi Garcia has a thigh problem. Could be a few weeks out, that."

  107. 2020: 

    Great effort from Sergio Aguero. And it takes an even better save to deny the Man City striker a goal. David Silva - who has been the home side's liveliest player - puts a pass through to Aguero and his dipping effort is tipped over by Roman Weidenfeller. Just before this Vincent Kompany picked up a booking and so will miss City's next Champions League game away at Ajax. Big blow.

  108.  

    Joseph on Twitter: "The Dortmund fans are amazing. You would think the game is being played at the Signal Iduna Park."

    Robin Davies on Twitter: "Kompany is not at the races this season."

    El Yaro on Twitter: "Would never trust Derby to walk my dog, they can never hold on to a lead."

  109. 2018: 
    SUBSTITUTION- Man City - Jack Rodwell for Javi Garcia
  110. 2018: 

    Man City midfielder Javi Garcia is down and holding his thigh. It doesn't look like he is going to be able to continue. Jack Rodwell is readying himself for action.

  111. 2016: 

    Great chance for Olympiakos and it comes from another Arsenal defensive mistake. Thomas Vermaelen gives the ball away to Paulo Machado on the left side of the box and his pull back is struck towards goal by Kostas Mitroglou from 20 yards. It is straight at Vito Mannone, though, who saves.

  112. 2014:  
    BBC Sport's Chris Bevan at Etihad Stadium:

    "Well, City knew this wouldn't be easy, and Dortmund have definitely made things difficult for them so far. David Silva's invention in midfield has been a big positive for Roberto Mancini's men but the German side are quick to counter when they win possession, and are zipping passes around too. Those early chances had dried up a bit at both ends, until Silva slipped Sergio Aguero clear again a few moments ago, but you get the feeling that if either side lose their focus, it could be fatal."

  113.  

    From Bobby in Dagenham, via text on 81111: "Dortmund are looking dangerous! This is some spicy football. Made friends with a bowl of salty potatoes and a chilled beverage on the couch. The Mrs wanted to watch All Star Mr & Mrs. Pffft, no chance. Wednesday night football is my number one priority tonight!"

  114. 2013: 
    Pat Murphy, BBC Radio 5 live at the City Ground:FOOTBALL LEAGUE UPDATE

    "It's 0-0 here between Nottingham Forest and Blackburn. The visitors are on the front foot, having forced five corners in the opening 15 minutes. Nuno Gomes has had a couple of efforts, the first of them saved by Forest keeper Lee Camp, the second a Subbuteo player's effort - he missed the ball completely."

  115. 2013: 

    Man City striker Edin Dzeko is past the last Dortmund defender but puts his shot over the bar as the German defence regroups. It wouldn't have counted anyway as the offside flag was up. However, replays show Dzeko was on. Soon after Sergio Aguero is onside as he latches on to a David Silva pass in the box but Roman Weidenfeller blocks well from the Argetine's shot.

  116. 2010: 

    Arsenal force a corner and have a chance to make something - anything - happen at the Emirates. However, David Fuster meets the delivery at the near post with a clearing header and Thomas Vermaelen is then penalised for a push.

  117. 2009: 
    Darren Fletcher, BBC Radio 5 live at Emirates Stadium

    "It's absolutely bucketing down here at the Emirates. It might not be a bad night for Arsene Wenger to be sitting in the stand as he serves his touchline ban. Steve Bould is getting soaked to the skin on the touchline."

  118. 2007: 
    FOOTBALL LEAGUE UPDATE

    The Derby lead at Middlesbrough did not last long. Lukas Jutkiewicz has nabbed a quick equaliser after keeper Frank Fielding failed to deal with Grant Leadbitter's free-kick, and it's 1-1 at the Riverside.

    Elsewhere in the Championship, it's goalless between Nottingham Forest and Blackburn. No goals either in the League Two match between Bristol Rovers and Cheltenham.

  119. 2007: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE ROUND-UP

    Good news for Arsenal in Group B, where Montpellier have gone ahead in their match against the German side Schalke, who, like the Gunners, won their opening game. Karim Ait-Fana is the scorer, digging the ball out of his feet on the edge of the area before curling a shot beyond Lars Unnerstall into the top corner. Elsewhere in the Champions League there is only one other goal to report with Dinamo Kiev ahead in their Group A match against Dinamo Zagreb.

  120. 2006: 

    It is literally bouncing in the Dortmund end of the Etihad. The away fans are making all the noise and showing plenty of energy. Their team look pretty lively on the pitch as well.

  121. 2004:  
    Football analyst Mark Lawrenson at Etihad Stadium:

    "This game is quicker than a Premier League game, and of a better quality than most international matches."

  122. 2003: 

    Frustration already at the Emirates following a largely uneventful opening 18 minutes. Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain sparks the first instance of crowd ire by knocking a pass straight out of play on the right touchline.

  123.  

    Kam Balaggan on Twitter: "Jenkinson deserves to play Champions League football. His performances have been top class."

    Tom Bradshaw on Twitter: "Simply put, Jenkinson is Arsenal's most improved player. He was shambolic early last season, looks great now."

    Stephan White on Twitter: "Yaya Toure makes the game look effortless sometimes. That includes when he loses the ball."

  124. 2002: 
    FOOTBALL LEAGUE UPDATE

    Nathan Tyson has given Derby a 1-0 lead at Middlesbrough from the penalty spot after something of a scramble in the home penalty area.

    Boro, whose perfect Championship home record was ruined when Leicester beat them on Saturday, have it all to do.

  125. 2002: 

    Dortmund are pressing high up the pitch and preventing Man City from having much of the ball. Robert Lewandowski almost has his first sniff from a little through-ball but the home defence react quickly to crowd him out, allowing Joe Hart to claim.

  126. 1959: 

    Arsenal create their first chance of a rain-soaked night at Emirates Stadium as Santi Cazorla opts to shoot from a free-kick on the left and it is tipped over the bar by Olympiakos goalkeeper Balazs Megyeri.

  127. 1958: 
    HITS THE WOODWORK

    Borussia Dortmund - and Mario Gotze in particular - show their quality on the break as the midfielder latches on to a pass on the edge of the box and drives towards goal. He is only denied by a good Joe Hart save that tips the ball on to the post.

  128. 1955:  
    Football analyst Mark Lawrenson at Etihad Stadium:

    "I just feel at times that City's build-up is too laborious. They're not breaking with any great pace, and it's allowing Dortmund to get players back."

  129.  

    From Johnny in Glasgow, via text on 81111: "Empty seats at the Etihad? If the City fans don't like the Champions League enough to buy tickets, I know us Liverpool fans who'd happily take their place."

  130. 1954: 

    Big couple of chances for Man City. David Silva's chipped pass forward finds Sergio Aguero, who beats the offside trap, but Roman Weidenfeller is quickly out to block his shot. From the follow-up move, Pablo Zabaleta has a sight of goal in the box but fires well over. The full-back should have done better.

  131.  

    Billy Thomson on Twitter: "Dortmund have a very impressive team. Subotic, Hummels, Gotze, Blaszczykowski, Reus and Lewandowski could all hurt City."

    Kyle Simpson on Twitter: "With the way City have been leaking goals this season, it's difficult not to see Dortmund scoring a couple and taking three big points!"

    Thomas Patterson on Twitter: "If Arsenal don't win, I will run around in my underpants through a busy city street."

  132. 1951: 

    Koscielny isn't called into action for the free-kick, which goes behind for a goal-kick. However, from the goal-kick, Vito Mannone and Thomas Vermaelen make a hash of a short kick out to allow the visitors to gain possession and move in on the home goal. Arsenal are able to regroup, though, before a shot is hit.

  133. 1949: 

    It is a brighter start at Etihad than it is at the Emirates. No real chances for either side yet, although Olympiakos do have a dangerous free-kick. Laurent Koscielny will be focusing like never before...

  134. 1948:  
    Football analyst Mark Lawrenson at Etihad Stadium:

    "We did say before the start that this would be an open game, and the start has only underlined that."

  135.  

    From James in Edinburgh, via text on 81111: "Main reason City have been conceding so many goals is the constant rotating of defence. Mancini needs to pick his starting backline and stick with it."

  136. 1947: 
    Pat Murphy, BBC Radio 5 live at the City Ground

    "Jermaine Jenas is on the bench for Nottingham Forest tonight, and the word is that manager Sean O'Driscoll wasn't too exercised in signing him, and that it was driven by the owners. If he continues to put him on the bench, he might be making a none-too-subtle point to the owners!"

  137. 1946: 

    Early chance for Man City as Yaya Toure slides the ball forward to Edin Dzeko and his lay-off is hit by Samir Nasri. Dortmund keeper Roman Weidenfeller - as his name would suggest - makes himself big to save.

  138. 1945: 
    KICK-OFF

    Man City v Borussia Dortmund is under way. Arsenal v Olympiakos isn't far behind. We've also got action in the three Football League games.

  139. 1942: 

    The teams are in the tunnel. We are a few minutes away from kick-off in tonight's games. Just enough time to watch this clip of Emile (or is it Emily) Heskey on the Rod Hull and Emu Show in 1988.

  140.  

    Tom Riley on Twitter: "Carl Jenkinson can't believe his luck. Charlton to Champions League so fast!"

    Niall Bryan on Twitter: "City vs Dortmund could potentially be a Champo League classic. I'm pretty excited, and that's coming from a United fan."

    Adam Smith on Twitter: "It may sound stupid but if City lose tonight, could Mancini be under pressure? It'd be difficult to qualify for next round."

  141. 1940: 
    BBC Sport's David Ornstein reports:

    "Following Saturday's home defeat by Chelsea, Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger says 'the players are still down... we want to put things right'. The Frenchman feels Olympiakos, who were beaten at Schalke in their opening Group B match, 'already have their backs to the wall' and his opposite number Leonardo Jardim agrees, adding: 'It will be particularly hard but you can't give up on a game before you even start it.''"

  142. 1940:  
    BBC Sport's Chris Bevan at Etihad Stadium:

    "Decked in bright yellow, the Dortmund fans have not been difficult to spot in the centre of Manchester today and they have packed out their section of the Etihad Stadium, making an impressive sight and one heck of a racket too. The travelling German fans enjoyed some rare Manchester sunshine earlier but normal service from the weather has just resumed - it is absolutely bucketing it down."

  143. 1938: 
    FOOTBALL LEAGUE UPDATE

    Nottingham Forest are without strikers Dexter Blackstock and Simon Cox, as well as midfielder Adlene Guedioura, because of suspension as they host Blackburn in the Championship.

    Billy Sharp will lead the attack for Forest, while there is a start in midfield for former Arsenal man Henri Lansbury. Jermaine Jenas, on loan from Tottenham, is on the bench.

    Striker Colin Kazim-Richards returns to the bench for Blackburn tonight, having not figured since injuring his knee against Hull on 22 August. Eric Black remains in temporary charge of Rovers following Steve Kean's resignation last Friday.

  144. 1937: 
    FOOTBALL LEAGUE UPDATE

    Bristol Rovers secured their first League Two victory of the season at Exeter last Saturday, and look to follow it up with a victory at home to Cheltenham this evening.

    Derek Riordan starts up front for Rovers after his partner gave birth to a baby girl this morning. Cheltenham striker Shaun Harrad, on loan from Bury, misses out due to a calf injury.

  145. 1935: 
    FOOTBALL LEAGUE UPDATE

    In the Championship, Middlesbrough are without central defender Jonathan Woodgate as they host Derby. Woodgate came off with a hamstring injury during last Saturday's 2-1 defeat at home to Leicester, and Seb Hines replaces him.

    Derby are without their leading scorer Jamie Ward, who suffered a hamstring tear during Sunday's 1-0 win at Derby, while strike partner Conor Sammon drops to the bench. Theo Robinson makes his first start of the season up front alongside Nathan Tyson.

  146. 1935: 
    Manchester City boss Roberto Mancini:

    "I expect a difficult game because they are a good team. You cannot win two Bundesliga titles in the same league as Bayern Munich if you are not a good team. It is not a team that defends but attacks. They have the same mentality as us in that they want to win."

  147. 1934: 

    Dortmund have stoked the fire a bit before this game against Manchester City. The Bundesliga champions' chief executive, Hans-Joachim Watzke, has said that clubs should be thrown out of the Champions League if they enter into big sponsorship deals with companies controlled by the same club's owners - something City have done with Etihad. "UEFA must find the thin line between sponsorship and excessive back-door funding - they must show strength to expel big clubs," said Watzke. "No tycoon should be allowed to pump crazy money into a club with sponsorship from five companies he controls. If that happens, financial fair play will fail."

  148. 1930: 
    Manchester City v Borussia Dortmund

    Manchester City make two changes from the side that beat Fulham on Saturday, with Edin Dzeko, their late matchwinner in that game, replacing Carlos Tevez up front and Samir Nasri in for Gareth Barry in midfield. Matija Nastasic is again preferred to Joleon Lescott in defence. Highly-rated striker Robert Lewandowski returns to Borussia Dortmund's line-up after being rested for their 5-0 weekend win over Borussia Monchengladbach, which ended his run of 62 consecutive appearances for the German champions that began in March 2011.

  149.  

    Andrew Moore on Twitter: "If City don't win tonight I can't see them going through! I think Dortmund away will be to hostile for them"

    Anonymau5 on Twitter: "Lescott's a great defender in the PL. Possible that Nastasic is better equipped to deal with the more technical CL?"

    Shanu Afolami on Twitter: "Expecting a beautiful game of football tonight at the emirates. Gunners win 3-0, Giroud gets one tonight."

  150. 1926: 
    LINE-UPS- Manchester City v Borussia Dortmund

    Man City: Hart, Zabaleta, Kompany, Nastasic, Clichy, Silva, Javi Garcia, Toure, Nasri, Dzeko, Aguero. Subs: Pantilimon, Lescott, Milner, Kolarov, Rodwell, Tevez, Balotelli.

    Borussia Dortmund: Weidenfeller, Piszczek, Subotic, Hummels, Schmelzer, Gundogan, Bender, Blaszczykowski, Gotze, Reus, Lewandowski. Subs: Langerak, Kehl, Leitner, Grosskreutz, Schieber, Felipe Santana, Perisic.

    Referee: Pavel Kralovec (Czech Republic)

  151. 1925: 

    I may already have highlighted Robert Lewandowski for Dortmund, but don't let that fool you, they are far from a one-man team. Try these guys for size... Mario Gotze, Marco Reus, Mats Hummels. Anyone who has watched the German national side play over recent years will be well aware of this trio. Three class players. Three more reasons for City to ensure they're on top form tonight.

  152.  

    From Ollie in Coventry, via text on 81111: "Don't wish to become a master of jinxes, but Arsenal have never lost a match at home on a Wednesday night since they moved to the Emirates six years ago."

  153. 1922: 
    Arsenal v Olympiakos

    Mikel Arteta shakes off an ankle injury to start in central midfield for an Arsenal side featuring two changes from Saturday's home defeat by Chelsea. Francis Coquelin replaces the injured Abou Diaby to partner Arteta, and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain is preferred to Aaron Ramsey in an advanced role. There is no place for Per Mertesacker in the 18, so Laurent Koscielny continues alongside Thomas Vermaelen in central defence, while Theo Walcott and Olivier Giroud are again on the bench. Former Manchester United goalkeeper Roy Carroll misses out on a place in the Olympiakos starting XI - he is one of four changes from the side that won 1-0 at Atromitos on Saturday, a result secured by David Fuster's first-half volley.

  154. 1920: 

    For Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger, tonight is all about bouncing back. Their last Premier League game saw them lose at home to Chelsea and the Frenchman is determined that his side do not fall to another loss against Olympiakos. "The players are still down [after Saturday's loss to Chelsea FC] but we have a Champions League game ahead of us," said Wenger. "We play at home and want to put things right. There are lots of positives to take - what was not good in the last game was easy to correct. It is a long championship, but we have to make sure the Champions League is long as well. I am impressed by the mentality of my team, but mentality is also how you respond to disappointment and I'm confident we will - that's what we want to show."

  155.  

    Paul Shaddock on Twitter: "Not sure about Dzeko starting for Man City tonight. Seems to have more impact in games when he comes off the bench."

    Chris Murtagh on Twitter: "Fancy we'll be seeing the Dortmund Poznan quite a lot tonight. 3-1 to the Germans."

    Barry King on Twitter: "To Fernando in London, 'Dortmund ... are very new to the Champions League?' This is their sixth Champions League campaign. They won it in 1997."

  156. 1918: 

    In their first game of this Champions League campaign City lost 3-2 at Real Madrid, having led 2-1 with three minutes to go. Roberto Mancini feels his City side must improve quickly if they are to qualify for the knockout rounds. "This is the second year for us in the Champions League and the second year that we got the worst group," Mancini said. "Like we have improved [over the years] in the Premier League, we need time to improve in the Champions League, but we don't have a lot of time - only five more games, and we need to improve quickly. We need to not concede easy goals to drop points like we did against Real Madrid."

  157. 1914:  
    Mark Lawrenson, Football Analyst

    "Roberto Mancini quite obviously doesn't fancy Joleon Lescott at all. He seems to think there's a mistake in him in every game. But to play Nastasic, as he did at the Bernabeu, is a real risk.

    "I think City have to win tonight, and I think you should play your strongest side, not a centre-back partnership that is very, very early in its development."

  158.  

    Daniel Ridgway on Twitter: "Per could be a big miss tonight - set pieces a worry! Still going for a Arsenal win, though!"

    Jack McDonald on Twitter: "BVB won their last match 5-0; considering City haven't kept a clean sheet all season, all signs point to a top game!"

    Soccer Fan on Twitter: "Funny Lewandowski is "dangerous" coz he scored two this season, yet no mention of Dzeko, who scored all together ten goals."

  159. 1911: 

    Funnily enough, Manchester could be seeing a lot more of Lewandowski in the very near future. Apparently, Sir Alex Ferguson is renewing his interest in the player having been heavily linked with a move in the summer. If the word on the street/in the Daily Telegraph is to be believed, Lewandowski could move to Old Trafford next summer with the future of Nani and Javier Hernandez uncertain.

  160. 1908: 

    Don't take my word for it on Lewandowski. You can get the full lowdown on just how big a threat he is to Man City tonight by reading German football expert Raphael Honigstein's take. "As a mobile, technically good target-man, he's the perfect focal point for Dortmund's attacking game and almost impossible to replace." explains Raphael. In short: he's good.

  161.  

    From Fernando in London, via text on 81111: "Both Dortmund and Man City are very new to the Champions League, making this an interesting encounter. Dortmund have a very young and pacy side who can punish City on the counter. City's players, however, are more experienced on the international stage - a big advantage."

    Ben, Dunfermline, via text: "Class acts they may be (Dortmund) but shaky start to the season, and scraping past Ajax at home. The Etihad atmosphere will be too much. City MUST score first."

    George, via text: "3-0 to Arsenal tonight but Mertersacker really should be starting tonight and not calamity Koscielny!"

  162. 1904: 
    LINE-UPS- Arsenal v Olympiakos

    Arsenal: Mannone, Jenkinson, Koscielny, Vermaelen, Gibbs, Arteta, Cazorla, Coquelin, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Gervinho, Podolski. Subs: Shea, Andre Santos, Giroud, Walcott, Ramsey, Djourou, Arshavin.

    Olympiakos: Megyeri, Diakite, Manolas, Contreras, Holebas, Siovas, Maniatis, Greco, David Fuster, Paulo Machado, Mitroglou. Subs: Carroll, Modesto, Ibagaza, Pantelic, Lykogiannis, Diogo, Abdoun.

    Referee: Svein Oddvar Moen (Norway)

  163. 1902: 

    Already a few mentions of Dortmund striker Robert Lewandowski, who is clearly one of the main dangermen for the German side tonight. The Polish striker impressed at Euro 2012 and will provide a stern physical test for the City backline. He has scored two goals in six appearances for Dortmund this season, one of those coming in their opening Champions League win over Ajax.

  164.  

    Wallywithabrolly on Twitter: "People shouldn't underestimate Dortmund tonight. Lewandowski, Gotze, Subotic, Hummels are all class acts"

    Tom Warwick on Twitter: "Arsenal to make a strong comeback after the weekends loss. City to struggle tonight against a Lewandowski led Dortmund"

    Anthony Squire on Twitter: "Off to City Ground for Forest v Blackburn. Hope we don't slip to 3 losses in a row after what had been a good start to season!"

  165. 1858: 
    BBC Sport's David Ornstein reports:Arsenal v Olympiakos

    "For the third time in four years Arsenal meet Olympiakos in the Champions League group stage and having won the home leg on each previous occasion, they will be confident of prevailing again to maintain their 100% record in Europe this season. But Olympiakos won both of their meetings with the Gunners in Greece, have five victories from their opening five domestic games and must come away with something to realistically keep alive their hopes of reaching the knockout phase."

  166. 1855:  
    BBC Sport's Chris Bevan at Etihad Stadium:Manchester City v Borussia Dortmund

    Manchester City boss Roberto Mancini uses his programme notes to underline how important his side's home form will be to them getting out of what is an extremely difficult Champions League group, starting against Borussia Dortmund tonight. "It is very important we beat them," says Mancini. His side's form at the Etihad Stadium bodes well, with a Premier League unbeaten run dating back to December 2010, and in Europe they have done even better - City are unbeaten in 17 successive home European ties, and have won 14 of them. The German champions, whose last visit to Manchester saw them beat United to reach the 1997 Champions League final, will offer a stern test to that impressive record.

  167. 1852: 

    The game has finished in Russia. AC Milan have come out on top in a five-goal thriller, winning 3-2 against Zenit St Petersburg.

  168. 1850: 
    BREAKING TEAM NEWS

    Francis Coquelin starts in midfield for Arsenal. Laurent Koscielny keeps his place in the side and Mikel Arteta has passed a fitness test so plays in midfield. No Olivier Giroud in the starting XI.

  169.  

    Simon Booth on Twitter: "Bobby Manc doesn't like starting Tevez against the Germans does he?"

    Mark G on Twitter: "After losing at Chelsea to two very disappointing goals we might just learn a lot about Arsenal tonight. Can they respond?"

    Brendan Bennett on Twitter: "Can City and Arsenal finish off the British clean sweep? I think they will you know"

  170. 1846: 

    One Champions League game got under way at 17:00 BST today. It has been a belter of a game in Russia between big-spending Zenit St Petersburg and Italian side AC Milan. The visitors led 2-0, only for Zenit to pull back to 2-2. However, the Italians have snuck ahead again thanks to Tomas Hubocan's putting the ball into his own net - the first own goal AC Milan have benefitted from in 20 years of Champions League involvement.

  171. 1843: 
    BREAKING TEAM NEWS

    Edin Dzeko starts up front for Manchester City after scoring the winner at the weekend at Fulham. He partners Sergio Aguero. Javi Garcia is included in midfield.

  172. 1842: 

    So, what do you reckon about tonight? Will Arsenal be too strong for the Greeks? Are City going to have to dig deep to overcome Dortmund? And are Venky's in for some stick tonight now that they've dispensed with their Steve Kean-shaped shield? You can answer any of these questions or go maverick with points of your own via Twitter and text message. You can tweet us using the hashtag #bbcfootball or text in on 81111 (UK). If you go for the text option, be sure to put your name on it.

  173. 1839: 

    But it is not all about European competition tonight. There are also three lovely domestic games taking place this evening. In the Championship, Middlesbrough host Derby and Blackburn travel to Nottingham Forest, while in League Two Bristol Rovers take on Cheltenham. Oh, these fancy dan Champions League lot can live it up in some of the finest venues on the continent, but could they do it on a cold, wet night at the Memorial Stadium?

  174. 1835: 

    Arsenal welcome Greek side Olympiakos to the Emirates again in the group stages of the Champions League, with the Gunners looking for a repeat of last season's home victory to add to their opening group game win this campaign.

    Manchester City's task looks the tougher with their opponents German outfit Borussia Dortmund, who beat Ajax in their opening game in Group D and warmed up for the trip to the Etihad with a 5-0 Bundesliga win over Borussia Monchengladbach.

    These are just two of eight Champions League games tonight, which showcase a veritable A to Z of European football... well, Anderlecht to Zenit.

  175. 1830: 

    It wasn't entirely plain sailing but Britain's clubs claimed three wins out of three in the Champions League last night. Manchester United came back from a scare at Cluj to secure victory, Chelsea notched up a flattering 4-0 win at FC Nordsjaelland and Celtic earned an historic first away win in the group stages at Spartak Moscow.

    Tonight, Arsenal and Manchester City can make it a Brit cleansweep for the week in Europe's premier club competition.

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