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23 September 2012 Last updated at 19:53

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  1. 1837: 

    I think that's all we've got time for. Thanks for keeping me company on another absorbing day of Premier League action, and make sure you catch all of today's thrills and spills in Match of the Day 2 at 22:25 BST on BBC One and this website in the UK. Cheerio for now.

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    Qophelo on Twitter: "Okay I might get slaughtered for this but if Arsenal had Van Persie out there today, they'd have won that game easily."

  3. 1837: 

    QPR manager Mark Hughes on his side's 2-1 defeat at Tottenham that means they are still waiting for their first win of the season: "I thought we were outstanding today in the first half, we dominated a very good Tottenham side and they had to rejig themselves in the second half because of that.

    "We were disappointed with the referee for a couple of decisions, particularly for the second goal and we had to chase the game.

    "Overall I thought we were excellent today and there were some huge performances. Ryan Nelson has been ill going into this game with an ear infection and Julio Cesar had a back spasm all week.

    "I was confident though because we were playing well and making a good Spurs side look ordinary but at the end of the day we have not got the reward for our performances, but they will come."

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    Rob Gibson on Twitter: "Manchester City manager Roberto Mancini - "We have one problem, we don't close the game and don't score more goals"... Erm, think that's 2 problems..."

    Chris Jones on Twitter: "Carl Jenkinson has been Arsenal's player of the season so far. Played every game and hasn't put a foot wrong."

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    Paul, via text: "If Arsenal play like that at home against Chelsea with better finishing, then they will win that game."

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    Jon, Spurs fan in Eastleigh: "Better to be lucky than good! That was a Man Utd-esque win when we played badly. Winning is a habit and it keeps the rain off AVBs head for a little while longer!"

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    BBC Sport's Ben Smith at the Etihad StadiumFULL-TIME- MAN CITY 1-1 ARSENAL

    "Frustration for Manchester City at the Etihad but they can't really have any argument with the result. Arsenal were well worth a point here and just when it looked like the goal their play warranted might not be coming, Laurent Koscileny popped up to find the net."

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    MOTD's Jonathan Pearce at White Hart LaneFULL-TIME- TOTTENHAM 2-1 QPR - Jermain Defoe (61 min)

    "Spurs have come from behind to win at White Hart Lane. QPR were deservedly ahead at the break but two quick seond half goals has given Andre Villas-Boas his first home win as Tottenham manager and leaves Mark Hughes still looking for his first win of the season."

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    MOTD's Steve Bower at the Sports Direct ArenaFULL-TIME- NEWCASTLE 1-0 NORWICH

    "Demba Ba's goal was the difference, making it an unhappy return to Tyneside for Chris Hughton. Newcastle were hanging on a bit at the end but Norwich are still winless and face tough games against Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal in their next three outings."

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    BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty at Anfield:FULL-TIME- LIVERPOOL 1-2 MAN UTD

    "A poignant Anfield afternoon ends with a Manchester United victory. Liverpool once again pay the price for a lack of cutting edge, allowing Sir Alex Ferguson's side to record their first win in five attempts at Anfield."

  11. 1822: 

    Right then, time for reminder of what happened in our four Premier League games today...

  12. 1818: 

    Hmmm. I can't help feeling that "nervous" is a kind way of describing Gervinho's finishing today...

  13. 1816: 

    So, are Arsenal genuine title contenders? Gunners boss Arsene Wenger is not getting carried away with the hype: "We have the potential and attitude [to be at the top]," Wenger said. "Time will tell if we can keep the attention and focus.

    "We refuse to lose the game today and came back. We are happy with the team performance but a little frustrated because we had chances with Gervinho when we could have won the game. Gervinho was a danger but he was nervous in his finishing."

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    Mike on Twitter: "Remember when RVP jumped ship to Manchester United claiming we weren't investing or competing at the top? Arsenal just outplayed the champions, Manchester City, away."

  15. 1814: 

    Arsenal's next Premier League match? Against Chelsea at the Emirates at lunchtime on Saturday. Might be worth trying to catch that one...

  16. 1809: 

    An ever so slightly happier Laurent Koscielny, who scored the Gunners' equaliser: "I'm very happy for the goal and the club because we did a good game. We made the comeback and we are very happy. Manchester City are champions so it is a good point."

    And his Arsenal team-mate Per Mertesacker was also pleased as punch with a point: "We had to be strong because it was difficult match. We have a great squad. We have a lot of great centre-backs. Thomas Vermaelen is at home as he is not well but Laurent came in and did well. We are a strong squad and have to stick together."

  17. 1807: 

    A rather frustrated Manchester City boss Roberto Mancini on his side's 1-1 draw with Arsenal: "This year we have one problem, we don't close the game and don't score more goals. We had three or four chances in the second half and didn't score.

    "I am frustrated about the result, because we had a chance to win and we conceded another goal. We need to work harder.

    "I am sure Arsenal will fight for the title this year because they have a good team, but it is going to be difficult for everyone, especially with playing in the Champions League."

  18. 1806: 

    Tottenham striker Jermain Defoe on his side's fight back from a goal down to beat QPR:

    "QPR passed it well from the back and it caused us a lot of problems. They got the goal but credit to the manager as he went 4-4-2 at half time and we pressed high up and got the chances.

    And on Spurs keeper Brad Friedel, who is under pressure from new £12m signing Hugo Lloris and made three superb first-half saves to keep his side in it: "Brad was fantastic, he has been doing those saves week in week out but the whole team did well."

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    Sanj in Herts via text: "Arsenal could have won today. They definitely had it in them towards the end. Aaron Ramsey had his best game in an Arsenal shirt so far. I am genuinely impressed by how much Arsenal have improved in a matter of months. Times are changing at the Emirates..."

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    Shay-B on Twitter: "Manchester City have let in 12 goals in their last seven league and cup games (including the Community Shield)."

    Rhys Hardstaff on Twitter: "The height difference between Arsenal's Per Mertesacker and Santi Cazorla is hilarious. They hug and Mertesacker lifts him clean off the ground!"

    Michael Pompeii on Twitter: "Arsenal look about as genuine a title threat as it gets! Minus one Gerviniho + one Ox = a real threat this season..."

  21. 1759: 

    Manchester City have a few issues to resolve, haven't they? It's one thing to concede late on again but surely it will be of equal concern to their manager Roberto Mancini that they were outplayed for most of the game. Arsenal will feel the point they picked up at the Etihad Stadium was the very least they deserved.

  22. 1757: 

    Tottenham took their time to wake up - they were booed off at half-time remember - but that second-half display was a lot more convincing. QPR worked hard but Mark Hughes still cannot buy an away win.

  23. 1755: 
    FULL-TIME- TOTTENHAM 2-1 QPR
  24. 1754: 

    There is time for one last hoof forward by Julio Cesar into the Spurs box but it is the home side who almsot score a last-gasp goal as they break and Jermain Defoe - looking for his 200th career club goal - is denied by the QPR keeper at full stretch.

  25. 1753: 

    They are still playing at White Hart Lane and the ball breaks for Esteban Granero on the edge of the Tottenham box... he has time to pick his spot but he curls his shot wide. QPR's last chance to nick a point? It looks that way.

  26. 1752: 
    FULL-TIME- MAN CITY 1-1 ARSENAL
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    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Robbie Savage at the Etihad Stadium:

    "That was a rugby tackle from Manchester City midfielder Javi Garcia on Carl Jenkinson. The game has passed him by, Mario Balotelli has not touched the ball since he came on and what has Jack Rodwell done? Arsenal deserve the three points."

  28. 1751: 

    Hmmm. I think Arsenal are happy with a point from this one because they do not push anyone into the City box for the resulting free-kick. At White Hart Lane, Tottenham are trying to play keep-ball near the corner flag to see out time and protect their lead.

  29. 1749: 
    YELLOW CARD- Man City's Javi Garcia

    Not much doubt about this one. Javi Garcia is caught out by Carl Jenkinson who runs past him on his blind side. Garcia decides to stop him by first pulling his shirt and then rugby tackling him.

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    Joe Lawton on Twitter: "Referee Mike Dean excellent as usual this afternoon. No cards so far, no fuss and has let the players get on with the game."

    Edwin on Twitter: "It takes four Arsenal players to bring down one Yaya Toure. Monster."

    Matthew Stokes on Twitter: "Gervinho has been shocking and wasteful. More inconsistent than Manchester United's Nani?"

  31. 1747: 

    I've lost count of how many shots Gervinho has had today, and he has probably lost a few balls too - he has just blasted another effort over the bar. Arsene Wenger has had enough and, as we enter stoppage time, Francis Coquelin replaces the Ivorian.

  32.   
    Match of the Day presenter Gary Lineker on Twitter:

    "Boy we've had some wonderful football matches this week."

  33. 1744: 

    It's up for grabs at the Etihad and wide open at White Hart Lane too, where Spurs still lead 2-1.

    QPR are still looking dangerous but so are Tottenham. It took a great tackle from Clint Hill to stop Jermain Defoe from getting a shot away after Djibril Cisse gave the ball away and Spurs poured forward.

  34. 1743: 
    SUBSTITUTION

    That missed chance was Sergio Aguero's last contribution of the game. Mario Balotelli is on for Manchester City instead.

  35. 1741: 

    Oh my... it's all happening at the Etihad. City go within inches of instantly retaking their lead.

    Arsenal's turn to fail to clear their lines ends with Vito Mannone keeping out Vincent Kompany's acrobatic effort and Sergio Aguero is unable to find the target with the rebound, sending the ball a fraction wide of the post.

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    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Robbie Savage at the Etihad Stadium:

    "That Arsenal goal was coming. They have been picking up the second balls all over the pitch. They look exhausted as they have been chasing the ball all over the pitch all afternoon. It was a poor clearance from City defender Joleon Lescott and Laurent Koscielny blasted it into the top corner. City have suffered from a lack of ideas, and Arsenal could go on and win this."

  37. 1739: 
    GOAL- MAN CITY 1-1 ARSENAL - Laurent Koscielny

    At last, Arsenal make their possession and pressure tell. After a superb stop by Joe Hart to keep out Santi Cazorla's rasping shot from 25 yards, City cannot clear the resulting corner and the ball lands at the feet of Laurent Koscielny to power an unstoppable drive past Hart and into the roof of the net.

  38. 1737: 

    It's been a while since City's last meaningful attack but the home side sprint forward through Yaya Toure and he hestitates before releasing Sergio Aguero, who sees his shot pushed away by Vito Mannone.

  39. 1736: 

    Here come Arsenal again. But, again, their final ball is not good enough. In fact, it's a shocker. Theo Walcott tries to curl in a deep cross from the right but it ends up going out for a throw in on the opposite flank.

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    Kevin in Bury via text: "I am certain Gervinho is pulling the same stunt Ali Dia did for Southampton years ago when someone told manager Graeme Souness he was George Weah's cousin. Hes useless."

  41. 1733: 
    SUBSTITUTION- Djibril Cisse for Bobby Zamora

    Tottenham are ahead but the points are not secure just yet. Jan Vertonghen has to make a timely challenge to stop Junior Hoilett when he finds space in the Spurs box, and that will go down as a goal-saving tackle.

    QPR boss Mark Hughes, who is probably wondering how his side are behind, flings on Djibril Cisse for Bobby Zamora.

  42. 1733: 

    Arsenal's best spell for a while. Carl Jenkinson finds Gervinho finding Olivier Giroud in the box, and the substitute's shot is deflected over. Vincent Kompany heads clear but there is still another scare for City when the ball is played straight back in. They wait for an offside flag that never comes and Joe Hart has to scramble to reach the ball before Mikel Arteta.

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    Luke Etheridge on Twitter: "Everyone's been talking about Spurs' awful start and Arsenal's great start, yet if it stays as it is, they'll both have eight points."

  44. 1730: 
    SUBSTITUTION

    A double change for Arsenal. On come Theo Walcott and Olivier Giroud, replacing Lukas Podolski and Abou Diaby. Now would be a good time for Giroud to get his first goal for the Gunners, no? He has about 20 minutes to find the net.

  45. 1728: 

    Talk about a turnaround. Spurs are running riot now and only a good stop from QPR keeper Julio Cesar stops Gareth Bale adding a third goal for the home side.

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    Nick Richley on Twitter in reference to Jonathan Harris's tweet: "How's the Sudanese curling championships going?

  47. 1727: 

    Newcastle boss Alan Pardew has made his way down from his seat high in the stands to speak about his side's win over Norwich.

    "The importance of victory today was not lost on the players and that is why we sat back a bit at the end. Three points was everything to us and we got them.

    "In terms of the penalty miss, I think it shows the spirit in the team that they wanted Papiss Cisse to score and they invited him up to take it. I am not too happy with that because I want the best penalty-taker to take it and score and Papiss missed one in pre-season. Hatem Ben Arfa or Demba Ba normally take them but I did not make a big issue of it with the players at half-time because they already knew it had hurt us a bit."

  48. 1725: 
    SUBSTITUTION- Carlos Tevez for Edin Dzeko

    Manchester City make a change up front. Carlos Tevez replaces Edin Dzeko.

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    M. on Twitter: "The passion manager Andre Villas-Boas shows when Spurs score is incredible."

  50. 1724: 

    Lots more nice passing from Arsenal, led by Aaron Ramsey and Santi Cazorla. Still no end product, though. This time Gervinho skews a hopeful effort wide.

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    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Robbie Savage at the Etihad Stadium:

    "How impressive has midfielder Santi Cazorla been today for Arsenal? He could pass his way into Fort Knox!"

  52. 1721: 
    GOAL- TOTTENHAM 2-1 QPR - Jermain Defoe (61 min)

    Incredible. Spurs have been largely awful, but they are ahead. They break forward at pace and Jan Vertonghen plays in Gareth Bale who sees Julio Cesar push his shot on to the bar... the rebound falls nicely for the right man from Tottenham's point of view, though, as Jermain Defoe taps in from close range.

  53. 1719: 
    GOAL- TOTTENHAM 1-1 QPR - Alejandro Faurlin og (60 min)

    Spurs have seldom looked like scoring today so perhaps it was inevitable that QPR had to put the ball in the net for them. Steven Caulker heads a corner back across goal and poor Alejandro Faurlin, unsighted by Jermain Defoe, sees the ball hit him and fly into the net.

  54. 1718: 

    Lots of misplaced passes all of a sudden at the Etihad Stadium. It is a miserable day in Manchester and maybe the incessant rain is an excuse? Maybe...

  55. 1715: 

    Arsenal are still building patiently, no panic from them yet, and they are finding space behind City's defence too. Kieran Gibbs runs on to a clipped pass down the left but his cross is cut out at the near post by Vincent Kompany.

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    Jonathan Harris on Twitter: "I would rather watch the Sudanese curling championships than Spurs this afternoon."

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    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Robbie Savage at the Etihad Stadium:

    "I think he has got to give a penalty there. Aguero has done well to stay on his feet, but a lot of players would have gone down. It was like Michael Carrick for Manchester United in mid-week when he scored. People want to see people stay on their feet now."

  58. 1711: 

    As many Arsenal fans feared, City look dangerous on the break...

    Javi Garcia nicks possession, David Silva charges forward and slips the ball to Sergio Aguero. Laurent Koscielny slides in and gets plenty of the man and not much of the ball - in fact he catches him twice. Aguero, to his credit, stays on his feet and gets the shot away... seeing it deflected over before turning to ask for the penalty. Replays show he had a good case.

  59. 1710: 

    Tottenham are also seeing plenty of the ball, but are also struggling to fashion a sight of goal against a hard-working QPR side.

  60. 1709: 

    Arsenal are still looking neat and tidy in possession. It is penetration they lack at the moment, though, and City are sitting back in their own half and soaking everything up.

  61.  
    FOOTBALL LEAGUE UPDATE

    Leicester go up to seventh in the Championship table, one place outside the play-off spots, after they claim a 3-1 win at home against Hull thanks to a hat-trick from striker David Nugent. The result sees manager Nigel Pearson emerge victorious against his former club.

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    Thomas on Twitter, on Tottenham's poor performance today after fielding a strong team against Lazio on Thursday: "A good Premier League team should be able to handle two games in a week. It is not a good enough excuse for me for Spurs' performance."

  63. 1707: 

    A sniff of a second goal for City here, when a David Silva free-kick from the right comes all the way over to Sergio Aguero on the left-hand side of the box. Aguero has time to bring the ball down but ends up rushing his shot and slicing the ball over the bar.

  64. 1705: 

    Tottenham have also made a change at the break, with Steven Caulker on for Gylfi Sigurdsson. Spurs boss Andre Villas-Boas has switched to a 4-4-2 formation.

  65. 1705: 
    KICK-OFF- TOTTENHAM 0-1 QPR

    The second half has started at White Hart Lane too.

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    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Robbie Savage at the Etihad Stadium:

    "I think it was inevitable that Manchester City would go to a 4-3-3. Silva looks much happier in support of Dzeko and Aguero. Yaya Toure has already started bursting forward, with Javi Garcia and Jack Rodwell staying back and holding."

  67. 1704: 

    City begin the second half on the attack, with Yaya Toure catching Mikel Arteta napping and advancing to the edge of the Arsenal area. His shot is a big disappointment, though, rolling a long way wide.

  68. 1703: 
    KICK-OFF- MAN CITY 1-0 ARSENAL

    We are back under way at the Etihad Stadium.

  69. 1703: 

    Tottenham have just introduced Paralympic gold medallists Richard Whitehead and Pam Relph to the crowd at White Hart Lane - both big Spurs fans - before a rapturous round of applause rings out around the stadium as the club's medical staff receive the Lifesaver of the Year award for saving the life of Bolton's Fabrice Muamba earlier this year.

  70. 1702: 

    Manchester City have made a change at the break to try to stop Arsenal's domination in midfield. Jack Rodwell is on for Scott Sinclair.

  71. 1701: 

    A very good point there from Mark (below). Premier League is more important than Europa League, surely?

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    Dan, a Spurs fan, via text: "Awful performance thus far from Spurs. We have been very poor, probably the poorest I've seen them play. And looking at the bench, doesn't really thrill me either. NOT happy."

    Scott, a Newcastle fan in Leeds, via text: "Seriously Chris from Southampton, as a Liverpool fan you are using the same 'played the big teams' excuse as Southampton have used??? Pathetic."

    Mark, disgruntled Spurs fan in Reading, via text: "This is why we shouldn't play our first team in the Europa League in mid-week."

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    Gary in Belfast, via text: "Arsenal are very pretty to watch in the middle third of the pitch but have barely created a shooting chance bar Gervinho's touch of a baby elephant. As they push more men forward can see City punishing them on the break."

  74. 1701: 

    So, work to do for north London's finest in the next 45 minutes or so. Arsenal trail at Manchester City despite bossing the game. Tottenham are behind at home to QPR after failing to turn up. What's worse? Anyway, still time for them to turn things around.

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    Injured Liverpool midfielder Lucas Leiva on Twitter after his side's 2-1 defeat by Manchester United which saw them remain in the relegation zone: "It is time to stick together even more and believe we will get through this difficult moment. Beautiful atmosphere today."

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    Jordan Preece on Twitter: "James Milner, England first team starter, can't get into the Man City squad? This is England."

  77. 1655: 

    Newcastle boss Alan Pardew celebrates his side's win with a fist pump before disappearing into the stands... that is where he has been watching from as he serves his touchline ban, racking up one heck of a phone bill while he made constant calls to his assistant Steve Stone in the dug-out.

    Pardew also missed Papiss Cisse's first-half missed penalty because he had already began his trek to the dressing room from his vantage point. Probably for the best really...

  78. 1653: 
    FULL-TIME- NEWCASTLE 1-0 NORWICH
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    Grant Tissot on Twitter: "Best first half I've seen from Arsenal midfielder Aaron Ramsey in a long, long, long time. Keep it up. Gervinho looks intimidated - get the Ox on."

  80. 1652: 

    Newcastle should have this game all wrapped up. Gabriel Obertan breaks clear as Norwich go for broke but Canaries keeper John Ruddy manages to fumble his shot away. Only seconds left...

  81.   
    MOTD's Jonathan Pearce at White Hart LaneHALF-TIME- TOTTENHAM 0-1 QPR

    "It was a Tottenham old boy Bobby Zamora who has given QPR a deserved half time lead. It could have been more as three magnificent saves by Brad Friedel have kept the scores down, but as it is Rangers lead."

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    BBC Sport's Ben Smith at the Etihad StadiumHALF-TIME- MAN CITY 1-0 ARSENAL

    "Arsene Wenger scratches his head as he disappears down the tunnel in front of me and you can't blame him. Arsenal, despite dictating for much of the opening 45 minutes and creating two or three of the best chances, are behind at the interval.

    "The goal will be a source of disappointment for Wenger and his assistant Steve Bould. Joleon Lescott stole in all too easily to get the jump on Laurent Koscielny and others, and goalkeeper Vito Mannone never looked like getting to David Silva's corner. There is, however, hope for Arsenal. City look vulnerable. The question is has Arsenal's best chance of exploiting that already passed them by?"

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    Chris in Southampton via text: "Yes, Liverpool are 18th with two points. But, we've played Man Utd, Man City and Arsenal in the first five games. Spurs have arguably had a much easier start and have won one in five. I'd be much more worried if I was a Spurs fan."

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    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Robbie Savage at the Etihad Stadium:

    "I think Scott Sinclair coming to the right side has stopped Kieran Gibbs getting forward, but Manchester City are still getting dominated in the midfield. City have not played well at all, and I think City manager Roberto Mancini has to change it at half-time. Arsenal are dominating possession, but it is 'same old Arsenal', with them losing despite playing well."

  85. 1649: 
    HALF-TIME- TOTTENHAM 0-1 QPR

    Spurs have been poor. Boos ring out at White Hart Lane as referee Phil Dowd blows his whistle for half-time.

  86. 1648: 

    Norwich have hoisted a couple of balls into the Newcastle box but the Magpies look pretty comfortable with their 1-0 lead. There will be four minutes of added time at the Sports Direct Arena.

  87. 1647: 

    Tottenham have had a couple of pops at goal at the end of the first half, through Jermain Defoe and Mousa Dembele. Both were off target, though. QPR keeper Julio Cesar has not had a shot to save and his side lead 1-0.

  88. 1646: 
    HALF-TIME- MAN CITY 1-0 ARSENAL
  89. 1645: 

    Just one minute of added time to be played at the Etihad at the end of the first half. Arsenal are still looking very good coming forward but they have to watch City on the break...

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    Sanj on Twitter: "These Manchester clubs... Jeez! Giving us 'neutrals' more reasons to dislike them.... Winning matches when playing poorly."

  91. 1644: 

    Not much of a response from Tottenham so far to that Bobby Zamora goal. It is still all QPR at White Hart Lane.

  92.   
    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Robbie Savage at the Etihad Stadium:

    On Manchester City's goal: "What is Arsenal goalkeeper Vito Mannone doing there? He is running into three or four players, and had no chance of getting the ball. Arsenal will be very disappointed with that. In open play Arsenal have been very impressive defensively, but at set-pieces, they have not looked good enough. Arsenal's zonal marking means that City's players, who are mostly taller, also get a run at the ball."

  93. 1642: 

    Newcastle waste a great chance to seal the points, with Demba Ba producing a tame finish after Yohan Cabaye plays him in. The Magpies still lead 1-0 and the Canaries still have hope. Not long left in that one though.

  94. 1641: 
    GREAT SAVE!

    Almost a second for Manchester City. Vito Mannone might have done better with the corner that led to the home side's goal but his fingertips come to his side's rescue here, pushing a spinning Edin Dzeko shot over the bar.

  95. 1639: 
    GOAL- MAN CITY 1-0 ARSENAL - Joleon Lescott (40 min)

    They don't deserve it, but the champions are ahead. David Silva sends over the corner and Joleon Lescott rises at the back post to power home a header. Arsenal's assistant manager Steve Bould will not be too impressed by his side's defending there.

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    Gaz in Derby via text: "Imagine where Newcastle could get to in the league if they could get Cisse and Ba scoring in matches together!!!" Wow!!!"

  97.   
    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Robbie Savage at the Etihad Stadium:

    "We are seeing Yaya Toure as the playmaker in this formation, and he is not a playmaker. He is trying to dictate the play, but that is not what his game is about. This needs to change for Manchester City."

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    Michael Noone on Twitter: "No clean sheets with Friedel for Spurs this season and France's number one sits on the bench..."

  99. 1636: 

    Arsenal continue to boss things at the Etihad Stadium and Gervinho is getting close, turning the ball inches wide after more good work by Aaron Ramsey who is doing very well in his first league start of the season. It was so close that most of the Arsenal fans at the other end of the ground thought that was in.

  100.  

    BBC Sport's Ben Smith at the Etihad Stadium on Twitter: "Mancini had just had a long chat with Aguero, clearly trying to change things. Arsenal in charge of midfield battle."

  101. 1634: 
    GOAL- TOTTENHAM 0-1 QPR - Bobby Zamora (33 min)

    It's been coming. Alejandro Faurlin slips a pass through to Bobby Zamora, who has escaped Jan Vertonghen's attention and he turns to slam the ball home and give QPR the lead.

  102. 1629: 

    Manchester City's defence continutes to resemble a sky-blue sieve.

    Santi Cazorla slips Gervinho clear on the right of the area and only a last-gasp challenge from Gael Clichy stops him getting a shot away. Moments later, Lukas Podolski spots Abou Diaby in space but over-cooks his pass. If he had got that right, Diaby would have been in on goal.

  103.   
    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Robbie Savage at the Etihad Stadium:

    "Yaya Toure is berating his players, and Manchester City manager Roberto Mancini has to change it. City are getting over-run by this very good Arsenal team. Mancini's counterpart Arsene Wenger will be very disappointed his team are not a few goals up."

  104.  

    Liverpool midfielder Jonjo Shelvey talking about his red card in his club's 2-1 defeat to Manchester United:

    "I apologise to the fans for getting sent off but no way was I pulling out of that tackle in a game of that importance. I am sorry.

    "I have also apologised to Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson, just where I come from people don't grass people up to get someone sent off."

  105. 1628: 
    SUBSTITUTION- Newcastle's Gabriel Obertan for Papiss Cisse

    Fair to say Papiss Cisse has not had one of his better days. His wait for a goal will go on. And Norwich have made that change too, with Grant Holt replacing Steve Morison.

  106. 1627: 

    Liverpool's managing director Ian Ayre on today's tribute to the 96 Hillsborough victims: "First and foremost great thanks to Manchester United. Their support today important and were are grateful. Their fans were excellent and our fans were excellent, which puts it into perspective that it was about the day. This week we have to thank Everton as well and fc clubs around the world who have done things. It has been massive for the families and we've repeatedly said our role as a club is to support them."

  107. 1626: 

    About 20 minutes to go at the Sports Direct Arena. Norwich need a goal, which is probably why Grant Holt is about to come on...

  108.   
    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Robbie Savage at the Etihad Stadium:

    "Lescott looked favourite for the ball there against Carl Jenkinson, but it looked like he was towing a caravan. Jenkinson pulled it back, but that was a lack of composure from Podolski there with his poor finish. He should have used his sidefoot rather than blasting it."

  109. 1624: 

    Another wasted opportunity for Arsenal. Great work by Carl Jenkinson sees him raid down the right and get past Joleon Lescott after cutting into the area. His cut-back finds Lukas Podolski in space inside the area, but the Gunners striker blasts his first-time shot high over the bar. Still 0-0.

  110.  
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    Callum in London via text: "Glad to see Falque on the bench for Spurs, has flair and looks promising as a potential Luka Modric replacement."

  111.  
    GET INVOLVED

    Afolabi Shobowale on Twitter: "That was an elephant's first touch from Gervinho. He is from the Ivory Coast after all."

    I used that gag yesterday for Wigan's Arouna Kone. Then he went and scored...

  112. 1622: 
    BBC Sport's Ben Smith at the Etihad Stadium

    "It has been an enterprising and breathless start at the Etihad with chances at both ends. Roberto Mancini hasn't taken his seat for more than a few seconds in the opening 20 or so minutes and he is clearly concerned by the space the likes of Santi Cazorla and Aaron Ramsey are finding in between City's midfield and defence. Gervinho has spurned arguably the best chance of the game for Arsenal, but Sergio Aguero looks dangerous on his return the City side. The good news for the neutral is that neither side looks rock solid defensively."

  113. 1621: 

    Tottenham have still not got any better and they await their first real chance against QPR.

    Any sign of a Norwich equaliser? Not at present. Newcastle are looking more likely to score, with Hatem Ben Arfa as always at the heart of things, and the Canaries are relying on counter-attacks.

  114.  
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    Sean in Norwich via text: "Just don't see where the goals are coming from in this Norwich side. Playing 4-5-1 doesn't help (and this squad has never played well with a five-man midfield). 4-4-2 from here on in please."

  115.  
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    Andrew Bell on Twitter: "Utterly horrendous touch from Gervinho. Should be fined two weeks wages for that."

  116. 1618: 

    Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard on his side's defeat by Manchester United: "We played really well today with 11 and even better with 10 so it's disappointing. It's not a red card. I'm not going to stand here and say a Manchester United player should be sent off but you look for consistency and if he [the referee] is adamant it was a red then he should look at Jonny Evans as well. I knew at the time it wasn't a red.

    "If we keep playing like that and showing that determination it won't be long [until we get a first league win of the season]. We are not going to keep blaming luck and keep making excuses and we need it at Norwich. We will keep plugging away.

    And on the pre-match Hillsborough tributes: "I thought they were a nice touch. There was a lot said before the match but credit to both sets of supporters as I thought they were fantastic."

  117.  

    BBC Sport's Ben Smith at the Etihad Stadium on Twitter: "Wenger and Mancini out in technical areas in these early minutes, neither particularly satisfied with what they are seeing."

  118.   
    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Robbie Savage at the Etihad Stadium:

    "Gervinho's touch was a shocker. He was one-on-one, and Arsenal should be 1-0 up. Arsenal are dominating here. What a good player Abou Daiby is. Arsenal's system is doing a lot better than City's at the moment."

  119. 1616: 

    City's defence doesn't half look vulnerable but what a waste this is by Gervinho. The Arsenal forward is clean through but his first touch is atrocious and runs straight through to Joe Hart. Oh dear, a real let-off for the champions.

  120. 1616: 

    Tottenham keeper Brad Friedel earns his corn again, this time denying Junior Hoilett after the QPR forward gets past Kyle Walker.

  121. 1614: 

    At the Etihad, Manchester City's first meaningful attack sees Sergio Aguero cut in from the left into the Arsenal box before letting fly with a low shot which is pushed away by Vito Mannone.

    In the north-east, Newcastle's Hatem Ben Arfa brings a decent stop from John Ruddy as the Magpies threaten a second.

  122.   
    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Robbie Savage at the Etihad Stadium:

    "The 4-4-2 is solid, it is very rigid. There are two solid banks of four when Arsenal have the ball. However, with David Silva on the left wing, when Arsenal full-back Kieran Gibbs pushes on and striker Lukas Podoloski pulls wide, they can get two-on-one as Silva is not the best defensively. That has just happened and Gibbs should have done better when he was played in."

  123. 1612: 

    This is good stuff from Arsenal, who threaten again after a neat build-up which breaks down when they over-elaborate in front of goal. Even so, that was promising play.

  124. 1612: 

    Norwich are enjoying a bit of pressure in the North East, where Javier Garrido has just teed up Robert Snodgrass for a shot that was deflected over. From the resulting corner, Steve Morison loops a header goalwards but Davide Santon is in the right place to clear.

  125. 1610: 

    Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers, on his side's defeat by Manchester United on an emotional day for the club: "It was a great day for our players, I thought they were heroic today.

    "The performance level up to 65 minutes or so was outstanding. It all bodes well for us going forward, we just need to turn good performances into results and I am very confident we will do that. We will get that bit of wee luck and when we do we will go on a roll."

    And on Jonjo Shelvey's sending off: "It was disappointing to say the least, if Jonjo Shelvey gets sent off than so should Jonny Evans. I am bitterly disappointed the referee only saw one side of that. I still felt after he got sent off we were the dominant team but you need help and we didn't get any whatsoever. There was Luis Suarez's penalty decision, there was contact and it looked a penalty. There were a number of decisions we could go on about."

  126.   
    BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty at Anfield:

    "Could be a major problem for Liverpool. Manager Brendan Rodgers fears centre-back Daniel Agger may have medial knee ligament damage."

  127. 1608: 

    Arsenal have continued their bright start against Manchester City. Santi Cazorla is seeing plenty of the ball and has just let fly with a daisy-cutter that Joe Hart still has to dive to deal with.

  128.   
    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Robbie Savage at the Etihad Stadium:

    "Arsenal's central midfield trio of Mikel Arteta, Aaron Ramsey and Abou Diaby could outplay Manchester City's Yaya Toure and Javi Garcia, and that is where the game can be won or lost for either side today."

  129. 1607: 

    A chance for QPR too. Spurs keeper Brad Friedel does well to keep out Clint Hill's header from a corner with a fine one-handed stop. Somewhere on the other side of the channel, Fabien Barthez will be fuming.

  130. 1606: 

    Norwich come out strongly for the second half and Wes Hoolahan threads a ball through for Andrew Surman who runs clear. Steve Harper is off his line sharply to block.

  131. 1605: 
    SUBSTITUTION- QPR's Kieron Dyer for Jose Bosingwa

    Given his injury past, I'm sure Kieron Dyer will sympathise here. Jose Bosingwa tweaks a hamstring and QPR are forced into a change after just four minutes.

  132.  
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    Sam on Twitter: "This match could come down to who is more influential in centre midfield, Arsenal's Abou Diaby or Manchester City's Yaya Toure. I'm hoping Diaby."

  133. 1603: 
    KICK-OFF- NEWCASTLE 1-0 NORWICH

    And the second half has got going at the Sports Direct Arena. Norwich have got 45 minutes to salvage something from this game. If Newcastle get another penalty, I'm pretty sure Papiss Cisse won't take it.

  134.  

    OptaJoe on Twitter: "3 - QPR have picked up just three points from the last 45 available away from home in the Premier League (W0 D3 L12). Timid."

  135.  
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    Jack in Norwich via text: "Sinclair is the luckiest man alive. So overrated and not even half the player of Adam Johnson, it's a joke he's anywhere near the Man City squad."

  136. 1602: 
    KICK-OFF- TOTTENHAM v QPR (16:00 BST)

    Spurs and QPR have just got started too.

  137. 1601: 

    Lots of early possession for Arsenal but Scott Sinclair nips in to dispossess Abou Diaby and the Gunners' first attack of the game breaks down.

  138. 1600: 
    KICK-OFF- MAN CITY v ARSENAL (16:00 BST)

    We are under way at the Etihad Stadium.

  139. 1559: 

    Both Manchester City and Arsenal are wearing black armbands today in memory of murdered Manchester police officers Nicola Hughes and Fiona Bone. They have just had a minute's applause at the Etihad Stadium in tribute to the pair.

  140.  
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    Arsenal fan Jack Elphick-Calle on Twitter: "Feeling less confident with no Vermaelen. Koscielny is a great defender, no doubt, but Vermaelen has been Arsenal's best so far."

  141. 1557: 

    By the way, that win pushes Manchester United up to second in the table, one point behind Chelsea, and they have now won four of their first five games this season. Liverpool? They remain without a league win under Brendan Rodgers, and they also remain 18th and in the relegation zone.

  142. 1555: 

    The players are in the tunnel at White Hart Lane and the Etihad Stadium, where Manchester City's Yaya Toure and Arsenal's Abou Diaby have had a big hug.

  143.  
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    Gorjemondragon on Twitter: "United need an engine who can hold the ball up and spread the ball to the wingers. RVP, talented as he is, isn't Rooney."

  144.   
    BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty at Anfield:

    "Sir Alex Ferguson said before kick-off Man Utd never get penalties at Anfield. Got one today and how crucial it was."

  145. 1553: 

    More from Sir Alex Ferguson on his side's win at Anfield: "Jonjo Shelvey's sending off was a clear red card, there was a dangerous attempt to go for the ball. Jonny Evans went for the ball and got it, and I don't think there was any other decision referee could make.

    On Shelvey's gesturing to Ferguson as he left the pitch: "He was trying to blame me I suppose. He is responsible for his own actions there is no question about that."

    And on the Hillsborough tribute before the kick off: "Liverpool did a fantastic job today, the fans were terrific and I don't think there can be any complaint on that part. It was a nice touch Bobby Charlton giving the bouquet to Ian Rush and it demonstrates these two clubs can do things with unity and then we got on with the game. There was ferocity and it was intense and it has been a good day for football."

  146.  
    LINE-UPS- TOTTENHAM v QPR (16:00 BST)

    Tottenham: Friedel, Walker, Gallas, Vertonghen, Bale, Lennon, Sandro, Dembele, Sigurdsson, Dempsey, Defoe. Subs: Lloris, Huddlestone, Dawson, Falque, Townsend, Caulker, Mason.

    QPR: Julio Cesar, Onuoha, Nelsen, Hill, Bosingwa, Wright-Phillips, Faurlin, Granero, Park, Hoilett, Zamora. Subs: Green, Diakite, Derry, Cisse, Mackie, Dyer, Ehmer.

    Referee: Phil Dowd (Staffordshire)

  147.  
    FOOTBALL LEAGUE UPDATE

    David Nugent has scored his 102nd league goal to put Leicester back into the lead at home to Hull. The striker had not scored in 11 games before his strike against Burnley in mid-week, and this afternoon's brace has added to that.

  148. 1549: 
    MOTD's Steve Bower at Sports Direct ArenaHALF-TIME- NEWCASTLE 1-0 NORWICH

    "There may well be an inquest at half-time as to why Papiss Cisse took that penalty. He is still six games without a goal this season and Norwich have enjoyed a let-off there. It was a huge moment and a 2-0 scoreline would have been difficult for Norwich to overturn."

  149. 1546: 
    MISSED PENALTY- Newcastle's Papiss Cisse

    When I say missed, I mean MISSED by a mile. Newcastle's Papiss Cisse just sent the ball into orbit, firing high over the bar.

    I'm not sure it was a penalty in the first place, though, Norwich's Steve Morison and Mike Williamson challenge for a high free-kick pumped into the Canaries box and referee Neil Swarbrick, officiating his first Premier League game of the season, decided Morison fouled Williamson.

  150. 1546: 
    PENALTY to Newcastle
  151. 1545: 

    Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson on his side's 2-1 win at Liverpool: "It is a great result for us but we did not play well. In the first half Liverpool dominated us, in the second half we had better possession but they had 10 men, we can't take great credit for that. But a win is a win, we are pleased with the result, but not the performance."

  152. 1543: 

    Genius... Hatem Ben Arfa just did two nut-megs in a row, the first to beat Andrew Surman on the right, the second to slip the ball through Michael Turner's legs to send Demba Ba clear... or at least he would have done if Ba had controlled his pass.

  153.  
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    Mark in jammy Manchester via text: "Speaking as a United season ticket holder, we were as jammy as a jam doughnut covered in extra jam and sitting on a bed of jam."

  154. 1541: 

    At the other end, Hatem Ben Arfa is reminding us what a fantastic footballer he is, trying to thread more through-balls to his strikers. Norwich are also defending well, though.

  155. 1539: 

    Some neat build-up play by Norwich is not getting them in to the Newcastle box. It's still 1-0 to the Magpies, with just over five minutes left until half-time.

  156.  
    LINE-UPS- Man City v Arsenal

    Man City: Hart, Zabaleta, Kompany, Lescott, Clichy, Javi Garcia, Toure, Silva, Sinclair, Aguero, Dzeko. Subs: Pantilimon, Kolarov, Rodwell, Barry, Nastasic, Tevez, Balotelli.

    Arsenal: Mannone, Jenkinson, Koscielny, Mertesacker, Gibbs, Ramsey, Diaby, Arteta, Cazorla, Gervinho, Podolski. Subs: Martinez, Andre Santos, Giroud, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Djourou, Coquelin.

    Referee: Mike Dean (Wirral)

  157.  
    FOOTBALL LEAGUE UPDATE

    Hull have equalised through striker Jay Simpson as he got his toe to a Sone Aluko shot. The Leicester defence demanded an offside call, but the referee turned them away, to put the teams level at the King Power Stadium.

  158. 1537: 

    Manchester United's Ryan Giggs, speaking about his side's 2-1 win at Liverpool: "The last three or four years we have come and played better but not got anything, that is the way it goes sometimes. It is always tough, especially against a team like Liverpool who keep the ball well, even when they go down to 10 men. We didn't play well, we didn't keep the ball well enough but it was great to see Rafael's goal go in and that probably lifted us. Anfield is a tough place to come. Liverpool wanted to put on a performance because of the occasion and they did that. They made it tough for us, but we could have played better."

  159.  

    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Jimmy Armfield at Anfield: "Steven Gerrard got Liverpool in front but they could not sustain it with 10 men. Paul Scholes came on and United took full advantage of their extra man. Liverpool ran their socks off."

  160.  
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    Imran_MUFC on Twitter: "This is what champions are made of, grinding out results while not playing at their best."

    Niall McCavitt on Twitter: "What ever happened to the good old days of home team bias? Ref had an absolute shocker."

    Tokunbo on Twitter: "Liverpool only have themselves to blame. You are not 18th for nothing."

  161. 1533: 

    While we wait for reaction to United's win at Anfield, Newcastle are looking to extend their lead over Norwich.

    Papiss Cisse falls over his own feet as he tries to get on the end of Davide Santon's cross but the ball still drops nicely for Yohan Cabaye, giving him a shooting chance about 12 yards out and to the left of goal. Cabaye goes for power rather than placement, and blazes his shot high over the bar. There were a few Norwich defenders in front of him but he should really have hit the target from there.

  162.   
    Phil McNulty, BBC Sport Chief Football Writer at AnfieldFULL-TIME- LIVERPOOL 1-2 MAN UTD

    "A poignant Anfield afternoon ends with a Manchester United victory. Liverpool once again pay the price for a lack of cutting edge, allowing Sir Alex Ferguson's side to record their first win in five attempts at Anfield."

  163.  
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    Matt in Bristol via text: "Liverpool are paying the price for messing up in the transfer window. Couldn't Rogers have given Carroll a chance? He's not a bad ball player."

    Dave in Grantham via text: "Atrocious refereeing ruined the game time and again. United lucky to have Halsey on their side.12 vs 10 is hard to take."

    Tim in Birmingham via text: "United were shoddy today but have to give credit to Rio and Jonny Evans. Solid."

  164.  
    TOTTENHAM v QPR (16:00 BST)

    Clint Dempsey makes his first Premier League start for Tottenham. The summer signing from Fulham came off the bench in last weekend's 3-1 win at Reading before starting the goalless draw with Lazio in the Europa League. Andre Villas-Boas brings Brad Friedel back in goal, despite Hugo Lloris keeping a clean sheet against Lazio, while in-form Jermain Defoe starts, with the striker two goals away from 200 career club goals.

    For QPR, Former Spurs man Adel Taarabt failed a fitness test so misses out, but there is a place in the side for Ryan Nelsen, who had a six-month spell at White Hart Lane last season.

  165.  
    BBC Sport's Ben Smith at the Etihad StadiumMAN CITY v ARSENAL (16:00 BST)

    The most significant team news from the Etihad Stadium is that Sergio Aguero is fit again and starts for Manchester City.

    The Argentina striker has been sideline since August with a knee ligament problem but makes a timely return alongside Edin Dzeko in attack. Scott Sinclair makes his home debut for City, while Joleon Lescott is restored to the side alongside Vincent Kompany, having been dropped for the defeat by Real Madrid on Tuesday.

    The news isn't as good for Arsenal, who are without captain Thomas Vermaelen through flu. Laurent Koscielny comes into the side alongside Per Mertesacker, while Aaron Ramsey replaces Olivier Giroud in the only other change from the midweek win over Montpellier.

  166. 1527: 

    Norwich have not done a lot since going behind but they have just gone close to levelling. Wes Hoolahan's cross from the left is met by Robert Snodgrass and Newcastle's Mike Williamson has to clear off his own line.

  167.   
    MOTD's Jonathan Pearce at White Hart LaneTOTTENHAM v QPR (16:00 BST)

    "These are two teams who can't wait for the season to settle into a genuine rhythm after a summer of upheaval. Tottenham have a new manager and six new signings while QPR have seen virtually a whole new team arrive and they simply haven't bedded in yet.

    "I think there will be goals and with Jermain Defoe needing just two goals to reach 200 in his club career, Spurs should have too much guile and pace for Rangers."

  168.  
    BBC Sport's Ben Smith at the Etihad StadiumMAN CITY v ARSENAL (16:00 BST)

    ""Satisfactory" is the word Roberto Mancini uses describes Manchester City's start to the Premier League campaign in his programme notes today.

    "The champions may have to be a little better than that to see off the threat of Arsenal today and protect their incredible unbeaten home record in the league that stretches 31 matches without defeat. Indeed City have taken 76 from a possible 78 points at home in Premier League matches, but having conceded two or more goals in four of the six matches this season, improvement is needed against an Arsenal team that have scored 10 goals in their past three matches. "We cannot continue to defend this way and we need to resolve this problem quickly," Mancini adds in his notes."

  169. 1525: 
    FULL-TIME- LIVERPOOL 1-2 MAN UTD

    They didn't play well, far from it in fact, but they leave Anfield with three points in the bag.

    Reaction to United's win coming right up, but first a quick reminder of the two Premier League games at 16:00 BST...

  170. 1524: 

    We are into the 97th minute at Anfield. There was more time to be added because of Martin Kelly's knock but there cannot be long left now...

  171.  

    BBC Radio 5 live commentator Darren Fletcher at Anfield: "The fans have been behaving well in the main. The United fans did sing at one stage: "Where is your famous Munich song?" However, everything else since then has been exactly what you would expect from this game."

  172. 1522: 

    Liverpool are down to nine men. Martin Kelly is injured and cannot continue, and Brendan Rodgers has used all three of his substitutes. Only seconds left at Anfield.

  173.  
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    Harry in Derby via text: "Hope Liverpool owners are watching and realise that they need to buy players to win."

  174. 1520: 
    GOAL- NEWCASTLE 1-0 NORWICH - Demba Ba

    Demba Ba is definitely playing up front, and he definitely still knows where the goal is. Ba runs on to an inch-perfect pass by Hatem Ben Arfa which dissects the Norwich defence, and coolly slots home. Advantage Magpies.

  175. 1519: 

    United are playing keep-ball now, and frustrating Liverpool's 10 men. The home side need to win possession back, and quickly. Instead, they concede a free-kick.

  176.  
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    Sam Braik via text: "Shelvey: jumping two-footed, studs showing, over the ball challenge. Van Persie: sliding one-footed, studs showing, ball-level challenge. Why they are annoyed that RVP didn't get a red but Shelvey did is beyond me."

  177. 1518: 

    There will be five minutes of added time at Anfield.

  178. 1516: 
    SUBSTITUTION- Man Utd's Danny Welbeck for Rafael
  179. 1516: 

    Less than two minutes of the 90 left at Anfield. There will be a fair amount of injury time, though, because of that injury to Daniel Agger.

  180.   
    BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty at Anfield:

    Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers' body language interesting. Turns away in total disgust after Liverpool twice choose backward pass with attacking options ahead."

  181.  
    FOOTBALL LEAGUE UPDATE

    Leicester manager Nigel Pearson has seen his side get off to a good start against his former club Hull as David Nugent strikes an early goal. If Leicester maintain their lead, they will move up to seventh in the table, one spot outside the play-off places.

  182. 1512: 
    YELLOW CARD- Man Utd's Robin van Persie

    Liverpool fans are angry with referee Mark Halsey again here. Robin van Persie dives in with a wild lunge on Suso, but the colour of the card he is shown is yellow, not red.

  183. 1511: 

    Liverpool are not finished yet, mind. Glen Johnson's cross is met by Martin Kelly but he sees his header fly agonisingly wide. Not great defending from United, that.

  184. 1511: 
    SUBSTITUTION

    Sebastien Bassong, like Norwich boss Chris Hughton making his return to Newcastle, has to go off injured after just six minutes - to be replaced by former Sunderland defender Michael Turner.

  185. 1510: 

    Drama at Anfield... and a chance to tell you about in the north-east too. Norwich have started well at the Sports Direct Arena, with Wes Hoolahan having a header deflected wide after a perfect cross from the left by Javier Garrido.

  186.  

    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Jimmy Armfield at Anfield: "It was a real mix-up from Liverpool on the half-way line in which centre-back Daniel Agger got injured. Valencia has had a really quiet game, and left-back Glen Johnson caught his back leg when he got into the box. The referee did not hesitate, and now there is a lot to do for Liverpool."

  187. 1508: 
    GOAL- LIVERPOOL 1-2 MAN UTD - Robin van Persie pen (81 min)

    United put their penalty pain behind them. After his side miss their first three spot-kicks of the season, Robin van Persie steps up to slam the ball home - no cheeky dinks this time. Pepe Reina gets a hand to it but cannot keep it out.

  188. 1507: 
    SUBSTITUTION- Liverpool's Jamie Carragher for Daniel Agger

    Robin van Persie still has to take this penalty. Daniel Agger is being carried off on a stretcher.

  189. 1505: 

    Robin van Persie will take the penalty, and he will have a bit of time to think about it. Daniel Agger was hurt in a collision with Johnson when he tried to stop Antonio Valencia and he is getting treatment on the half-way line.

  190. 1503: 
    PENALTY to MAN UTD

    Liverpool give the ball away on the halfway line and Antonio Valencia charges forward into the Liverpool area... then goes down as Glen Johnson tries to recover. Not sure there was too much contact there.

  191.  
    MAN CITY v ARSENAL (16:00 BST)

    BREAKING: Sergio Aguero, Scott Sinclair and Edin Dzeko start for City and Pablo Zabaleta and Joleon Lescott come into their defence, replacing Maicon and Matija Nastasic.

  192. 1501: 
    KICK-OFF- NEWCASTLE v NORWICH (15:00 BST)

    We are under way at the Sports Direct Arena where the Magpies are up against the Canaries.

  193.  
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    Raj Kotecha on Twitter: "Credit to Liverpool, you wouldn't look at them and think they're a man down..."

  194.  
    GET INVOLVED

    Mads on Twitter: "Evra can't defend. Giggs can't wing it. Left wing aborted. Genius move by Fergie. NOT! Put Chicharito on, please."

    Richard Daniels on Twitter: "I'd say something snarky about Henderson coming on but he'd only go and score the winner."

  195.   
    Match of the Day presenter Gary Lineker on Twitter:

    "Remind me, which team are down to ten men?"

  196.   
    Phil McNulty, BBC Sport Chief Football Writer at Anfield

    "Liverpool youngster Suso has shown some lovely touches and confidence since coming on. Liverpool continue to press forward but Manchester United have stabilised somewhat after a very poor first half."

  197. 1458: 

    In contrast, United - apart from that little spell when they equalised - have not impressed... especially when you consider they are playing against 10 men. Doesn't that usually mean they nick a winner though?

  198. 1456: 

    More nice stuff from Liverpool, who play their way out from the back before Suso plays in Luis Suarez. The move ends when Suarez drives in a cross-shot from an impossible angle and there is no-one in a red shirt to get on the end of it.

  199. 1453: 
    SUBSTITUTION- Liverpool's Jordan Henderson for Raheem Sterling

    Some fresh legs in midfield for Liverpool, and I'm sure Patrice Evra will not be sorry to see the back of Raheem Sterling down United's left. With 25 minutes to go, the score remains 1-1.

  200. 1453: 

    Suso is the latest Liverpool player to sting Anders Lindegaard's palms, with a drive from distance that the United keeper pushes behind.

  201.  
    BBC Sport's Ben Smith at the Etihad StadiumMAN CITY v ARSENAL (16:00 BST)

    "John Jensen and Marcel Desailly are among the former players gathering in the press room at the Etihad. The Dane predicts a tight encounter with few goals (he was never a great one for goals) but thinks Arsenal have a chance. Mr Desailly favours City. Just over an hour to kick-off."

  202.   
    BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty at Anfield:

    "Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers urging his players on furiously in his technical area."

  203.  

    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Jimmy Armfield at Anfield: "Liverpool are doing a great job with 10 men. Joe Allen and Steven Gerrard are doing the job of three men in the midfield, and that is inspring the rest. It is a very good game, here."

  204. 1449: 

    Liverpool's 10 men continue to look every bit as dangerous as Manchester United's 11. The home side go close again when Luis Suarez jinks into space on the edge of the box and whips in a shot that a sprawling Anders Lindegaard does well to keep out.

    By the way, Suarez might have made a meal of that last penalty appeal, but there was definite contact made by Jonny Evans' boot. Suarez probably didn't need to look for the spot-kick, and the fact he did might just have counted against him. Thoughts?

  205.  
    NEWCASTLE v NORWICH (15:00 BST)

    Demba Ba is back in the Newcastle starting line-up after his two goals from the bench earned Alan Pardew's men a draw at Everton on Monday. Whether he starts up front remains to be seen, while Magpies supporters will be pleased to see the return of Cheick Tiote on the bench - the influential midfielder's last appearance coming on the opening day of the season.

    Norwich City have struggled for goals this season - scoring just twice in four Premier League matches - and manager Chris Hughton has turned to Steve Morison at his former club Newcastle this afternoon. Grant Holt, who has only scored two in his last 10 PL matches, and Simeon Jackson drop to the bench.

  206.  

    BBC Sport's Ben Smith at the Etihad Stadium on Twitter: "Incredibly, Liverpool v Manchester United not being shown in the Manchester City press room (TV problem). Press pack huddled around two laptops."

  207. 1446: 
    YELLOW CARD- Man Utd's Paul Scholes

    Paul Scholes catches Raheem Stirling, who did some excellent work down the right in the build-up to that Liverpool penalty shout. That's a yellow card for the Manchester United veteran.

  208.  
    GET INVOLVED

    Tony via text: "Can I please have the first shout out on the Paul scholes front? It's usually after around 39 seconds someone claims he is running the show isn't it?"

  209. 1444: 

    Another big decision for referee Mark Halsey. Luis Suarez goes tumbling in the area under a challenge from Jonny Evans, who definitely makes contact with him after the Liverpool striker nips in before him to get the ball. Halsey is perfectly placed... and says "no penalty".

  210. 1442: 

    This game is wide open now, and Liverpool are still creating chances. Raheem Stirling gets behind Patrice Evra and has time to bring down a high ball inside the United box but his looping cross does not find Luis Suarez. The Reds quickly win back possession but Steven Gerrard's 25-yard shot does not trouble United keeper Anders Lindegaard.

  211.  

    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Jimmy Armfield at Anfield: "What a beautiful left-footed shot that was from Rafael. Reina did not have a chance. It was just the response United needed, and that man Paul Scholes started it all off."

  212. 1438: 
    GOAL- LIVERPOOL 1-1 MAN UTD - Rafael (51 min)

    United are up and running now, and this is a peach of a finish by Rafael. He collects the ball on the right-hand side of the Liverpool area and bends in a delicious shot that leaves Pepe Reina clutching at air as it curls in off the far post. Unstoppable. And, yes, Paul Scholes was involved in the build-up.

  213. 1437: 

    It looks like it is down to Paul Scholes to get things going for United, as it has been so many times before. He is involved here as United enjoy some pressure on the edge of the Liverpool box but, when the cross comes in, Steven Gerrard is there to head clear.

  214.  

    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Jimmy Armfield at Anfield: "That was just what this crowd were after. United did not mark Steven Gerrard on the edge of the box and he has hit it with his left foot on the turn. A lovely goal."

  215. 1434: 
    GOAL- LIVERPOOL 1-0 MAN UTD - Steven Gerrard (46 min)

    They only have 10 men but Liverpool are ahead. Glen Johnson is stopped when he tries to burst into the box down the left but the ball squirts into the path of Steven Gerrard near the penalty spot, and he turns to slam the bouncing ball home with a low finish past Anders Lindegaard.

  216.   
    BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty at Anfield:

    "Paul Scholes coming on for Nani to try and give some order to Man Utd's midfield."

  217. 1432: 
    KICK-OFF- LIVERPOOL 0-0 MAN UTD

    Liverpool and Manchester United have both made a change at the break. Spanish teenager Suso is on for Fabio Borini and Paul Scholes replaces Nani for Manchester United. We are back under way at Anfield.

  218. 1432: 

    Sunday's second game gets under way in the North East in about 30 minutes or so and sees a familiar face return to the Sports Direct Arena, or St James' Park (which is what Newcastle's ground was called when he was manager).

    Newcastle manager Alan Pardew says his predecessor Chris Hughton deserves credit for his part in the club's revival, as the current Norwich boss prepares to the return to the club for the first time since being sacked in 2010. "Both of us could probably look each other in the eye and say we have done a decent job at Newcastle," Pardew said. "I don't think there will be one fan who would begrudge singing his name, or whatever the fans decide to do."

  219.  
    LINE-UPS- NEWCASTLE v NORWICH (15:00 BST)

    Newcastle: Harper, Perch, Williamson, Steven Taylor, Santon, Ben Arfa, Anita, Cabaye, Gutierrez, Cisse, Ba. Subs: Elliot, Bigirimana, Shola Ameobi, Tiote, Obertan, Sammy Ameobi, Tavernier.

    Norwich: Ruddy, Russell Martin, Barnett, Bassong, Garrido, Snodgrass, Howson, Johnson, Surman, Hoolahan, Morison. Subs: Bunn, Turner, Holt, Jackson, Pilkington, Ryan Bennett, Tettey.

    Referee: Neil Swarbrick (Lancashire)

  220.  
    MOTD's Steve Bower at Sports Direct ArenaNEWCASTLE v NORWICH (15:00 BST)

    "Newcastle will give a warm welcome to former manager Chris Hughton when he takes his Norwich team to the Sports Direct Arena this afternoon, with current boss Alan Pardew describing Monday's 2-2 draw at Everton as a 'real season changer'. Demba Ba scored both goals as the Magpies came from behind twice, and he has been the talk of Tyneside this week with the striker believed to be unhappy with his role at the club. Ba has scored three of Newcastle's five league goals this season, more than the entire Norwich team put together. Can he steal the headlines again this afternoon?"

  221.  
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    David Beck on Twitter: "All clubs are looking for's consistency. Chelsea defender David Luiz's tackle on Saturday against Stoke was twice as bad and he received a booking. None of my mates have any idea what's a red and what's not."

  222. 1428: 

    Jonjo Shelvey gave Rio Ferdinand a mouthful before departing the field too, not just Sir Alex Ferguson. Ferdinand ignored the Liverpool midfielder, Ferguson smiled at him.

  223.  
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    Jimmy in Plymouth via text: "Silly silly boy. Shelvey earned himself a start from a great performance on Thursday but maybe a while before he gets another, in a match against the big boys anyway. A more mature player would have seen both sets of Evans' studs leaving the floor and what would Ref Halsey have done then?"

    Nige in Plymouth via text: "Why has no one mentioned the fact that Jonny Evans had both feet off the ground and studs showing! Or the fact he's plays for Man U means he's allowed!"

  224. 1425: 

    Looking at that Jonjo Shelvey red card again, I can see why Liverpool fans are so angry because Jonny Evans also jumps in to the same challenge. They both get something on the ball too, although Evans reaches it a fraction before Shelvey.

  225.  
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    Shane McMenemy on Twitter: "Utterly dominated at Anfield even after being a man up. This will be the hair-dryer to end all hair-dryers from Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson."

  226. 1422: 

    Liverpool's main problem could be that I cannot believe Manchester United will be as bad in the second half as they were in the first. I think Sir Alex Ferguson will be 'plugging in' his hairdryer for his half-time team-talk right about now...

  227.  

    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Jimmy Armfield at Anfield: "There are problems now for Liverpool, who have done everything right apart from putting the ball in the net, which is the story of their season. Johnson has been great at left-back, but Kelly's final ball has been poor on the other side."

  228.   
    BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty at Anfield:HALF-TIME- LIVERPOOL 0-0 MAN UTD

    "Liverpool controlled the first half but will they pay for failing to score and for their numerical disadvantage after Jonjo Shelvey's red card? Manchester United desperately poor. Robin van Persie did not receive a pass worthy of the name."

  229. 1418: 
    HALF-TIME- LIVERPOOL 0-0 MAN UTD
  230.   
    Match of the Day presenter Gary Lineker on Twitter:

    "Shelvey gets a red card for reckless tackle. Slightly harsh but can't take risks like that in modern game."

  231. 1417: 

    United have the extra man but Liverpool have not stopped pushing forward. Fabio Borini gets behind the United defence down the left but his cross does not reach Raheem Stirling at the back post. By the way, we are into first-half injury time, and it is almost up.

  232. 1415: 

    Replays show Jonjo Shelvey had a go at Sir Alex Ferguson as he walked off the field. He seems to have lost his head, and he paid the price.

  233.   
    BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty at Anfield:

    "So much for me singing Shelvey's praises before kick-off. Anfield furious but courting trouble to lunge in like that."

  234.  
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    Tom in Lincoln via text: "I'm neither a Man United fan or Liverpool fan, but wasn't Evans' lunge in that 50/50 just as bad. Also both feet off ground and studs showing."

  235.  

    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Jimmy Armfield on Twitter: "You cannot do that sort of tackle, that is the problem. Evans, I thought at first, had a very bad injury. It is a shame for the Liverpool fans, as Shelvey was playing very well."

  236. 1412: 

    How will Liverpool fare with 10 men? They quickly force Anders Lindegaard into action when Luis Suarez bends a free-kick over the wall, but the United keeper dives to his right to make a comfortable save.

  237. 1408: 
    RED CARD- Liverpool's Jonjo Shelvey (39 min)

    Liverpool have failed to make their dominance count and now they are down to 10 men. Jonjo Shelvey launches himself into a wild challenge on Jonny Evans as he chases the ball in the United half and, with Evans in agony on the ground, referee Mark Halsey brandishes a red card from his back pocket.

  238.  

    BBC Radio 5 live commentator Darren Fletcher at Anfield: "It took the Liverpool fans half an hour to start booing Patrice Evra, and he has responded by crunching Raheem Sterling."

  239. 1408: 

    Oh dear. It really isn't happening for United in attack right now. Nani just wasted a promising position with one of the worst passes I've ever seen. They are giving the ball away in their own half too now, but Raheem Stirling sees his shot blocked as Liverpool try - and fail - to take advantage.

  240.  
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    Michael Bedwell on Twitter: "If Liverpool had someone who could put the ball in the net, then Utd might not win this game, but of course, we don't, so they will."

  241. 1404: 

    A silly challenge this, by Patrice Evra. He is right on the corner of his own area when he dives in recklessly on Raheem Sterling. Evra is lucky to escape a yellow card but Liverpool waste the resulting free-kick when Luis Suarez heads wide from Steven Gerrard's delivery.

  242. 1401: 
    NEWCASTLE v NORWICH (15:00 BST)

    BREAKING: Demba Ba starts for Newcastle, but whether he is up front with Papiss Cisse or out on the left remains to be seen...

  243. 1400: 

    United are still looking lethargic, and Liverpool are still dominating possession but - with 30 minutes gone - the score remains 0-0.

  244.   
    Phil McNulty, BBC Sport Chief Football Writer at Anfield

    "Liverpool in control here. Manchester United struggling to exert authority in any part of the pitch - but Brendan Rodgers will be desperate for his team to profit from these moments of supremacy."

  245.  
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    Lee, a Liverpool fan, via text: "We need to take advantage of this pressure soon or United will get a foothold."

  246. 1359: 

    Luis Suarez's turn to have a pop, when he finds himself in space on the edge of the box. He goes for the curler, but he cannot find the target. A minute or two later, Suarez runs at the United defence, trying to turn Rio Ferdinand in knots. The United defender stands up to him, though, and stops him in his tracks by the byeline.

  247.  
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    Tom on Twitter: "Seems to me that some of the players on United's teamsheet haven't made it on to the pitch!!!"

  248. 1357: 

    It's Nani who takes it, and it's Nani who goes for goal... firing in a shot which never looks like it is going to dip quickly enough to test Pepe Reina. Plenty of power but the ball zips over his bar.

  249. 1355: 

    Here's a sniff for United. They have a free-kick about 35 yards out...

  250. 1354: 

    Rio Ferdinand is back on. United still cannot keep hold of the ball, though. They are just content to clear their lines at the moment... and we have not seen a lot of Robin van Persie. He is still on the pitch, honest.

  251.  

    BBC Radio 5 live commentator Darren Fletcher at Anfield: "A section of the Manchester United support have been singing: 'Where is your famous Munich song?" It is not the day for that."

  252.   
    BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty at Anfield:

    "Liverpool showing all the early momentum and intent. Man Utd struggling to find any sort of rhythm."

  253. 1352: 

    More problems for United. The corner is cleared but Steven Gerrard quickly hoists the ball back into the danger zone, aimed for Daniel Agger. Jonny Evans is back to stop Agger getting on the end of it but Rio Ferdinand picked up a knock when he tried to deal with the cross. He needs treatment.

  254. 1350: 

    United have not got going in attack yet, and they have some more defending to do. Rafael beats Fabio Borini to a deep Martin Kelly cross, but the ball goes behind for Liverpool's third corner of the game.

  255.  
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    Brett in Essex via text: "I'd like to know Nani's pass completion rate for the last few games- he's been pitiful."

  256. 1348: 

    Liverpool are still enjoying most of the possession but United are holding out, helped on this occasion by another poor touch from Fabio Borini as Luis Suarez looks to link up with him.

  257. 1346: 

    Jonjo Shelvey escapes with a talking to from referee Mark Halsey after clattering Rafael. "I got the ball," claims the Liverpool midfielder. He got plenty of the man too.

  258.  
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    Harry Warr on Twitter: "Very pedestrian start by United. Need some tempo. Evra and Nani down the left is where united look particularly weak."

  259.  
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    John, a Liverpool fan at Anfield, via text: "Thank you to Man Utd fans for their respect. We all appreciate it. Now let's have a good game. YNWA."

  260. 1343: 

    Liverpool threaten again, when Patrice Evra loses possession. Joe Allen feeds Luis Suarez, who turns to slide in Fabio Borini inside the United area. Borini's touch, though, is dreadful. It's heavy and takes him away from goal rather than towards it, and his eventual effort is easily blocked.

  261.  

    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Jimmy Armfield at Anfield: "I think both teams have settled well considering the fact the build-up has been tremendous. It is a fast game, and now comes the realisation for Liverpool that they need a point or three to escape from the bottom of the table."

  262. 1339: 

    Liverpool go closer still. From a cleverly-worked corner, Steven Gerrard runs to meet Jonjo Shelvey's low delivery at the near post, with his marker Ryan Giggs blocked off. Gerrard shoots first time, aiming to steer the ball home low into the bottom corner... but it fizzes a whisker wide with Anders Lindegaard beaten. Half the ground thought that was in.

  263.  
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    Olly, a Liverpool fan, via text: "I can feel the emotion and I am only reading the text commentary! Im not joking! You'll never walk alone!"

  264. 1337: 

    Our first real chances, for both teams, follow soon afterwards. First Ryan Giggs turns on the edge of the Liverpool box to slam a shot a couple of yards high and wide. Then, at the other end, Raheem Sterling plays in Luis Suarez and his shot from a narrow angle is pushed away by United keeper Anders Lindegaard.

  265. 1337: 

    Steven Gerrard plays it short to Luis Suarez before firing in a cross but it is easily cleared by United. Still, this is a decent little spell by Liverpool and Suarez should do a lot better when Gerrard pings a fantastic long ball to him moments later. He cannot control it, and the ball goes behind.

  266.  
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    Joseph on Twitter: "Very loud at Anfield."

  267. 1335: 

    Liverpool string some passes together for the first time, with Joe Allen, Steven Gerrard and Jonjo Shelvey combining nicely in midfield. The home side have their first corner now too, after Glen Johnson's cross comes off Rafael.

  268.  

    Rob Wilkinson via text: "This is what football is really about!"

  269.  

    BBC Sport reporter Ben Smith on Twitter at the Etihad Stadium: "Watching the events at Anfield unfold on the big screen outside the Etihad. Manchester City and Arsenal fans watch and applaud."

  270. 1333: 

    United have seen most of the ball so far but, understandably, this game is yet to settle down.

  271.  

    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Jimmy Armfield at Anfield: "The United fans have been excellent, and applauded at the end of 'You'll Never Walk Alone'."

  272. 1331: 
    KICK-OFF- LIVERPOOL v MAN UTD (13:30 BST)

    We get under way at Anfield with chants of 'Justice for the 96' still ringing around the ground.

  273. 1330: 

    As they sing their club anthem, the Liverpool fans show off mosaics reading 'The Truth', '96' and 'Justice' on the Kop, Anfield Road and Lower Centenary Stand. It's been an emotional afternoon so far, as we approach kick-off...

  274.  
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    David Roberts on Twitter: "You can feel the emotion all the way from Canada. Amazing scenes."

  275.  

    BBC Radio 5 live commentator Darren Fletcher at Anfield: "There is a real sense around the ground of how important this day is for Liverpool Football Club. So far, the behaviour inside the ground has been impeccable. The Liverpool and Manchester United players are both wearing red tracksuit tops with '96' on the back of them. There is a big applause for the pre-match handshake between Luis Suarez and Patrice Evra."

  276.  

    BBC Radio 5 live pundit Jimmy Armfield at Anfield: "You could feel the emotion inside the ground as you stepped in, and everyone has respected it. The crowd loved the moment between Sir Bobby Charlton and Ian Rush."

  277.   
    BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty at Anfield:

    "Justice For The 96" rings around Anfield."

  278. 1328: 

    The Manchester United fans applaud both tributes, before 'You'll Never Walk Alone' is played at Anfield.

  279. 1328: 

    Manchester United legend Sir Bobby Charlton is presenting a tribute of 96 roses to Liverpool legend Ian Rush, as the respective captains Steven Gerrard and Ryan Giggs release 96 ballloons to remember the 96 Liverpool fans who went to a football match on 15 April 1989 and never came home.

  280. 1326: 

    The teams emerge on to the pitch. Luis Suarez and Patrice Evra shake hands, as we were all hoping they would.

  281.  
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    Chris in Loughton via text: The difference today will Man Utd's strength on the bench - Welbeck, Hernandez, Scholes, Cleverley. Liverpool have Henderson."

    Matt Greenslade via text: "Both sets of players have a responsibility to behave today at Anfield and that includes no diving. Not naming any names - don't need to."

    Stephen, a Liverpool fan, via text: "Very nervous, Borini to come good?"

  282. 1323: 

    The Liverpool and United players are in the tunnel at Anfield. A reminder that they will all wear jackets with '96' on the back when they run out, in tribute to the victims of the Hillsborough disaster.

  283.   
    BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty at Anfield:

    "Jonjo Shelvey deserves his start for Liverpool today. His drive & attitude impressive so far this season."

  284.  
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    Charlie Fee on Twitter: "I just cannot see how Liverpool can win this game today, gulf in class between the two line ups."

    Matthew Richardson on Twitter: "Downing not even on the bench. On his way out? Fingers crossed."

    Jamie Atkins on Twitter: "Great to see the two managers standing together. May the battle commence."

  285.   
    BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty at Anfield:

    "England manager and former Liverpool boss Roy Hodgson just taking his seat in the Anfield directors' box. Kenny Dalglish also back today."

  286. 1319: 

    The two managers shook hands after finishing their joint interview too.

  287. 1317: 

    Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers on his side's first home match since the new revelations on the 1989 Hillsborough disaster where 96 Reds fans died: "This is an opportunity to offer respect to families who fought tirelessly for 23 years.

    "We want to pay tribute to those families and those who lost their life. Liverpool and Manchester United are two iconic clubs and we have an obligation to football as a whole, so hopefully it all passes off with peace and we can concentrate on the football. I have spoken to Luis [about the pre-match handshake with Patrice Evra], and there will be no problem."

  288. 1316: 

    Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson speaking before kick-off at Anfield about today's occasion: "I think we have embraced the situation and made all the appeals to the fans and hope they adhere to the situation Liverpool fans find themselves in.

    "Ourselves and Liverpool are the most successful teams in England. I don't anticipate any problems with the handshake before kick-off. Anyone watching today will see one of the biggest derby games in the world. Passion, intensity, it is all there. We sometimes see bad games because the pressure can get to the players."

  289. 1313: 

    Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers and Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson are carrying out their pre-match interview together in a show of unity by the two clubs.

  290.  
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    Mark in Manchester via text: "Can anyone name a great Lindegaard save? I can name a dozen from De Gea - with a couple here at Anfield last year. Why wouldn't you play him?"

    Lou in London via text: "Vidic has seen four red cards v Liverpool, wonder if that's why he's being rested? Last thing Fergie wants is a sending off today!"

    Richard in Birmingham via text: "How did Nani manage to sneak into the starting line up?!?"

  291.  
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    Daniel P Hockings on Twitter: "No Vidic = Nightmare On Anfield Street! Even with Liverpool strikeforce!"

    It's actually Anfield ROAD Daniel... but that would ruin the film reference, I guess...

  292. 1305: 

    Manchester United play Newcastle in the third round of the Capital One Cup on Wednesday. Surely Nemanja Vidic is not being rested for that?

  293.   
    BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty at Anfield:

    "Nemanja Vidic rested by Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson apparently. For what exactly?"

  294.  
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    Aiyesa Dare on Twitter: "First way of stopping all this 'ISSUES' begins with the fans. Neither Evra nor Suarez should get the boos."

    Adam Guest on Twitter: "The world's eyes are all on Evra and Suarez today. But they should be just focused on the 96 and their families."

    Adam Fleetwood on Twitter: "Frustrating not to see Scholes starting as a neutral - even at his age games like this are made for a player of his quality."

  295.  
    LINE-UPS- LIVERPOOL v MAN UTD (13:30 BST)

    Liverpool: Reina, Kelly, Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Gerrard, Allen, Shelvey, Borini, Suarez, Sterling. Subs: Jones, Jose Enrique, Sahin, Assaidi, Henderson, Carragher, Fernandez Saez.

    Man Utd: Lindegaard, Da Silva, Ferdinand, Evans, Evra, Carrick, Giggs, Valencia, Kagawa, Nani, van Persie. Subs: De Gea, Anderson, Hernandez, Welbeck, Scholes, Cleverley, Buttner.

    Referee: Mark Halsey (Lancashire)

  296.  

    BBC Sport reporter Richard Conway at Anfield: "This is the letter from Sir Alex Ferguson to Manchester United fans, given to them at the Anfield turnstiles."

    You can also read that letter here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19681043

  297.  
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    Jonathan Brook on Twitter: "Vidic, he's my source of confidence as trees are the world's source of oxygen, time for my calm down breathing exercises already."

    Jack Richardson on Twitter: "Suarez, Borini, Sterling isn't quite Kagawa, Van Persie, Valencia huh?"

  298. 1250: 

    The absence of Nemanja Vidic, the Manchester United captain, means he will not join his Liverpool counterpart Steven Gerrard in releasing those 96 balloons before kick-off. That will now be done by Ryan Giggs.

  299. 1248: 
    LIVERPOOL v MAN UTD (13:30 BST)

    Nemanja Vidic is not even on the bench for Manchester United today, so he must be injured, right? I'll try to clear that one up for you... Full line-ups to follow shortly too.

  300.  
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    Gene Yew on Twitter: "Jonjo to me, plays better coming off the bench! Also, wish Lucas was playing to man mark Kagawa!"

    Billy Thomson on Twitter: "Good to see Ferdinand starting. Way past it now. Suarez is gonna tear him apart!"

    We're Into Stoppage Time on Twitter: "Great decision by Brendan Rodgers in starting Jonjo Shelvey and Raheem Sterling today, along with Glen Johnson... Positive."

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