England v India: Fourth Test, Old Trafford, day two as it happened

A wet outfield curtails play with England leading India by 85 on day two of the fourth Test.

8 August 2014 Last updated at 10:31

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As it happened

  1. 18:00: 
    Goodnight

    So, there you have it. Lancashire CCC expect the ground to be fit for the third day, for which the weather forecast looks good. I'll leave you with BBC Weather's projection for Saturday at Old Trafford. Thanks for sticking with us on what has been a frustrating afternoon of little cricket. Goodnight.

    Old Trafford weather
  2. 17:56: 
    Old Trafford

    Lancashire director of cricket Mike Watkinson: "This area of ground is constructed the same as the rest of the field. Our problem today is that the grass isn't as established as the rest of the outfield. It's a low point in the field. If we have got anything wrong, we've hit it with the waterhog and disturbed the surface. The ground will take the water, tomorrow we'll be fine for a start."

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    Damian: The Edgbaston device (17:36) was an innovative powered roller-cover, called the 'Brumbrella'. I saw it do the trick of keeping the square dry many times during Tests.

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    Geoffrey Boycott, Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "England need another 40 or 50 then to have a bowl. They could get too many. They have to get them knocked over to win the game. This is Manchester, who knows what will happen with the rain?"

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    Neil Parker: Aggers, I couldn't agree more. Why have floodlights and time in the game but need to be on by 6pm? Ridiculous.

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    Geoffrey Boycott, Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "It was lovely cricket. The pitch has pace and bounce, rewarding bowlers for good balls. Moeen Ali has a problem with the short ball. People will notice, Australia will get pictures. Darren Lehmann will want Mitchell Johnson and Pat Cummins bowling at him. Even Joe Root got hit on the head. Last year, when Johnson bowled short, England were a mess."

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    Geoffrey Boycott, Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "How many cricketers would run down there? This sort of thing hurts cricket. The evening is set, we could easily play on. Did the groundstaff know about this? If so, they should have covered it or brought the boundary in. It wouldn't have been pleasant fielding on it, but we have to get on with the game. There's a bigger picture. People play a fortune to watch. That's bigger than a couple of cricketers slipping over."

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  8. 17:48: 
    View from the dressing room

    England assistant coach Paul Farbrace, speaking to Sky Sports: "Parts of the outfield are dangerous, and I don't think the Indians would want to bowl and see the ball keep disappearing into that area. It's a pity though, because the game has been good so far. The morning session was tough for us but Jos and Rooty's partnership of 50 plus was excellent. Now we want to bat on and get as big a lead as we possibly can."

  9. 17:44: 

    There's plenty of disgruntled-looking punters filing out of Old Trafford. Others prefer to sit and finish their drinks, letting the queues for the trams etc clear.

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    Jonathan Agnew, BBC Test Match Special

    "The ruling is strange. If they could play until 19:30, why did they have to be on at 18:00?"

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    Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "It's disappointment for the crowd. They'd seen some good cricket. The drainage just hasn't worked. The concern is, if there's any more rain, it will keep congregating in that corner."

  12. 17:39: 
    PLAY ABANDONED FOR THE DAY

    The announcement has been made. Play has been abandoned for the day, with England stuck on 237-6 after torrential rain forced the players from the field at 14:15 BST.

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    Andy in Stockport: How can the drying of a ground look so amateurish? Every club cricketer who spends Saturday and Sunday mornings and afternoons soaking and bow drying the outfield knows how to get water off the outfield and far enough away from the playing area for it not to be an issue. Is there not a grid for them to dump the water into instead of just dropping it behind the boundary rope only causing another problem?

  14. 17:36: 

    Tony, I expect you're not the first and won't be the last person to use an unorthodox item to help dry the outfield. That, everyone, is the floodgates opening for your suggestions. Let's keep this live text going strong. We're not going to let a bit of rain keep us down, are we?

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    Tony: Once attempted to mop up the entire square with a Financial Times weekend edition. Was widely mocked.

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    Ian: I seem to remember at Edgbaston in the 80s, they used to have a giant roller that covered the whole pitch. Surely a device like that would prevent the outfield from being sodden. Seems like there has been no advancement in 30 years.

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    Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "If we get more rain over the next few days, these same areas will provide the same problems. Bertha is coming on Sunday, who knows what she might bring?"

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    Mark Creasey: How on earth can the drainage be the fault of the "the administrators" (1713)? This is England, it does rain and has always rained in the summer!

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    Steve Harmison, Ex-England pace bowler on BBC Test Match Special

    "There was a T20 quarter-final here last weekend when there was so much rain that they were supposed to play on Friday but didn't play until Saturday night - basically two days of rain in this corner. I think that's the problem, as there was so much water last weekend, it's got nowhere to go."

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    Jonathan Agnew, BBC Test Match Special

    "They are trying to brush sand into it, but I'm not sure it's doing much good. The water is coming up above the shoes."

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    Steve Harmison, Ex-England pace bowler on BBC Test Match Special

    "If I was having to stand in that, down at fine leg, in a Test match, I'd be in the umpire's ear saying it wasn't fit. I can see the frustration of the crowd, but you have to put the players' safety first."

  22. 17:27: 
    News from the middle

    More from umpire Erasmus: "It's just too big an area that's unfit. The explanation we got from the groundsman is that everything runs this way."

    More from umpire Tucker: "We can't move the boundary in. If it was the start of the match, we could. Now, we're stuck with it. If you put your foot on the ground, it moves. If a fielder injures himself, we won't be popular."

  23. 17:27: 
    News from the middle

    Umpire Marais Erasmus: "At this stage, a large part of the playing field by the boundary is unfit. We can't bring the boundary in as it would alter the conditions under which we started. It would have been possible before play on day one, but not now."

    Umpire Rod Tucker: "People want to see the cricket and we want to give them some. The area is still part of the playing area so it's got to be fit, It's a Test match, it's not an under-12s match, so player safety is an issue."

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    Jonathan Agnew, BBC Test Match Special

    "If they play tonight on this part of the ground we're standing on, I'd be amazed. Down here, below the media centre and around the boundary edge, it's just mud. If the ball came down here just once, it would be absolutely saturated."

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    Old Trafford

    On Twitter: This is the area that's causing problems at Old Trafford. Desperate efforts to try and dry it out, but looking sodden.

  26. 17:21: 

    Boos ring around Old Trafford as the stadium announcer informs everyone the next inspection will be at 17:40 BST. Looking at the super-sopper, it looks likes it's doing more harm than good to the outfield.

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    Christian Reilly: We have a sponge soaker-upper at Grappenhall CC and we're just down the road. Takes 10 lads to push it up the M56 though.

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    Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "It looks like a farmer's field. You can't play cricket on that."

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    Simon Riley: The first game I played was as a young lad for Clifton Under 13s at Little Hulton and it was snowing. Still finished the game though.

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    Daniel Groves: Should Cook be thinking about a declaration? More play will be lost to the rain but England have the momentum to force a result.

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    Simon Hughes, BBC Test Match Special

    "Hales isn't technically perfect, but neither was David Warner when he came into Test cricket. He's a right-hander so he'd be a good foil for Cook. Get him in the 50-over side first and see how he goes - I think he'll do pretty well."

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    Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "Chris Woakes needs to do something in the second innings to prove to me he's worth playing at The Oval. If I were him, I'd be in Jimmy Anderson's ear as at the start of his career, he didn't have an inswinger either. I'd like to see Alex Hales open the batting in Test cricket eventually - if you look at how David Warner came through Twenty20 cricket for Australia, he could be the first person to come through that route. I wouldn't put him in for the last Test, I'd give Robson the last Test but I'd start Hales in 50-over cricket against India, Sri Lanka and if he goes well in the World Cup against quality bowling, I'd bring him in to provide a good balance with Cook and Ballance at the top of the order. If Broad or Anderson got injured I'd bring in Steven Finn pretty quickly."

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    Simon Hughes, BBC Test Match Special

    "Looking ahead to The Oval, I'm all for keeping a winning team together, but you have to look at the signs - for me, two England players look resigned to failure in the nicest possible sense. Sam Robson looks strokeless and looks like he's not expecting to make runs. It's a nightmare when you're going through that phase when you're nicking off too often, so you leave one and get bowled. The other one is Chris Woakes, a very good county player, very enthusiastic but he doesn't look as though he's going to take wickets."

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  34. 17:13: 

    True story this... my first ever game of cricket was played on a ground where there were massive puddles in the outfield. Playing for Radcliffe Under-11s at the home of Heywood U11s, I came in at number eleven and slogged the first ball I faced high into the air and the ball dropped into a puddle on the deep point boundary and we got just two runs. The shot was worth four. We lost. Not that I'm still upset about it or anything...

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    Simon Hughes, BBC Test Match Special

    "On my first-class debut for Middlesex, we lost the first day to rain - there were ducks on the outfield - and then we batted all day on the Monday. On the Tuesday, when we went out to field, Mike Brearley noticed me in my trainers and told me to get changed as I was playing. So I only knew I'd made my first-class debut on the third day of the game."

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    Matthew Roche: Test cricket will soon die because of scenes like today. What sort of sport allows a little water at fine leg to prevent play for several hours? Who is this game for if not the spectators? The consensus view in the section of the stadium I am sitting in is that most will not be returning to a Test match in this country. The expense simply cannot be justified when you look at the product produced. It's not the fault of the ground staff who are doing their best. It is the administrators who are ruining the game.

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    Simon Hughes, BBC Test Match Special

    "The fielding side will say that the outfield might be fine, but they are concerned about the water beyond the boundary. Once Jos Buttler and Joe Root hit the ball into that, it will resemble a bar of soap."

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    Ben Temple: The ground seems the perfect condition for India's six ducks now.

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    Simon Hughes, BBC Test Match Special

    "It's sometimes due to construction. The Point is a new building, it weighs a lot and the water drains down to there."

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    Timothy Revell: Get a few more brooms and let the crowd help out. They'll have the outfield ready in no time.

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    Oh dear...

    New Zealand cricketer Jimmy Neesham: Imagine if your cricket gear went through America and they drilled holes in your bat to look for drugs...

    Neesham's bat
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    Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "The drainage has worked brilliantly for 85% of the ground, but down in the corner it looks like a bog. No wonder the ground staff have huge wellies on."

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    Alison Mitchell, BBC Test Match Special

    "The sun is shining - that's the good news. Unfortunately, there's still a lot of standing water near the boundary ropes at long-off, that's where the mopping-up is being done. The inspection is supposed to be at 17:00 BST, but they've just announced over the PA that the umpires won't come out while there's still standing water there."

  44. 16:58: 

    Thanks Stephan. How are we all? It's the people sat at Old Trafford who I feel sorry for. They are hanging on patiently, tucking into the last remnants of their lunchbox while watching a big sponge chug about the outfield. Only at the cricket!

  45. 16:55: 

    The sun is out and I suspect the rain is gone for the day. The question is, will the water that has already fallen scupper us? Marc Higginson will provide the answers.

  46. 16:49: 

    Anyone who has ever mopped up in order to get a club game on will sympathise with what the groundstaff are doing at the moment. Brooms in hand, a team of three or four are literally pushing water from the playing area to outside the boundary. On the the subject of that huge puddle, if we have to start by 18:00, surely there's no chance of that being gone by then?

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    Brian: I know a man who could cover the ground in artificial grass. Excellent drainage and touch dry in 30 mins. Also has the benefit of a nice consistent outfield. Can also be done in a lovely shade of blue!

  48. 16:43: 

    The biggest issue has to be that huge puddle at fine leg. Right now, that part of the ground is underwater. If we do get back out, whoever fields there will need a rubber ring.

  49. 16:41: 

    The result of the inspection? We're going to have another inspection. This one will be at 17:00 BST.

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    Rob in Chelmsford: Thinking of going on Dragons Den, got a great idea for huge sheets of blotting paper like I used in school. Puddles gone in no time.

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    Jonathan Agnew, BBC Test Match Special

    "Much of the ground, from where I'm looking, is superficially dry. However, there is still a lake in one part of the ground which resembles a puddle. The earliest we could resume is 5pm, but I think that's unrealistic."

  52. 16:30: 
    Pitch inspection

    The umpires are just heading out, greeted by the groundsman. What does a pitch inspection entail? Just a wander about to see if your feet get wet? Or is there more to it than that?

  53. 16:25: 

    Two Super Soppers are trundling around the outfield like two water-absorbing golf carts. When the water is collected, it is taken to the boundary and sprayed over the boundary. The sun is burning hot, but there's still one huge puddle down at fine leg. That inspection at 16:30 probably won't have us playing until 17:00 at the earliest.

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    David: So rain has stopped play at Old Trafford; rain has also stopped play in the PGA Championship in Valhalla. What on earth am I meant to do here in the office on a Friday afternoon? Work??

  55. 16:15: 

    If we are to start again, it has to be by 18:00 BST. Once we get back out there, then play can go on until 19:00, or 19:30 if there are still overs to be bowled.

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  57. 16:06: 

    More play? It's cracking the flags! The sun is beating down at Old Trafford. Lakes? What lakes? They are mere puddles now, appearing here and there on the outfield. There will be an inspection at 16:30 BST.

  58. 16:02: 

    Another hour has ticked by and the players are still in the dressing rooms. What are they doing to pass the time? Sleeping? Cards? Eating? Either way, it's looking brighter over Manchester. I fancy we'll get some play today if the rain stays away.

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    Chris Hey: Game to play when play is abandoned, be the last to leave the stands, we beat a couple under a HSBC umbrella in 2003 at OT.

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    Ed Hubbard: I once witnessed Derek Pringle during a Essex one day game. Hail an ice cream seller. Purchase a choc ice (he had cash in his whites). Consume said choc ice and place the wrapper in a bin all in the space of one over. Just to let you know he was fielding at third man and not bowling at the time.

  61. 15:51: 
    Lions struggling
    Dean Brownlie

    England Lions are in a spot of bother in their one-day match against New Zealand A at Bristol.

    Dean Brownlie's 115 underpinned the Kiwis' 282 all out as David Willey took 5-62 with the ball. In reply, the Lions are 62-4 after 14.1 overs - Alex Hales (7), James Vince (1) and James Taylor (7) all falling cheaply.

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    Andrew Samson, BBC Test Match Special statistician

    "On the last three occasions that England have had the opposition four wickets down for less than 25 runs in the first innings, they have lost."

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    John: Second spell of rain - lighter than the first - has now passed us here in Stockport. Blue skies here, five miles south of OT and heading your way. Still some hope of play today.

    David: It's sunny here in Warrington - shouldn't be long till it's over you at Old Trafford.

    Jacob: I am in Flixton about three miles down the road and it is cracking the flags, we haven't had any rain! Just hope it stays away for tomorrow.

  64. 15:46: 

    You know what, it might just be brightening up. Might we get some more play today? If so, how long might it take? The covers are coming off.

  65. 15:45: 
    News from elsewhere
    Sri Lanka's Kumar Sangakkara

    While the rain continues to fall in Manchester, let's have a look at what is happening elsewhere.

    First of all, let's start at Galle, where Kumar Sangakkara has made the 37th Test century of his career for Sri Lanka in the first Test against Pakistan. After three days of play, Sri Lanka are 252-2 in replay to the tourists' 451 all out - Younis Khan scoring 177.

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    Wisden's Lawrence Booth: Local wisdom suggests play would get underway two hours after the rain stops. But it hasn't stopped.

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    Simon Mann, BBC Test Match Special

    "It's a bit brighter, but when the ground staff started to take the covers off, the rain returned and they put them back on. Who knows whether we'll get any more play."

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    Mark Young: My uncle took us to Worcester back in the early eighties for some John Player League. Hartley Alleyne fielding down by us at deep third man, never shirked from the rain. He would simply pick up the lid off the old fashioned dustbin the other side of the boundary board and put it on his head... instant umbrella and outfield helmet.

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    The Sun's John Etheridge: Raining again at Old Trafford, prospects of any further play today looking increasingly bleak.

  70. 15:32: 

    The groundstaff are fiddling with the covers and there's a lot of noise coming over the tannoy, but I think there's a hint of rain in the air once more. Yep, if we look into those big puddles, we can see they are being added to by drops from the sky.

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    Mike Bell: Understand if not believed, but in rain break in '70s Old Trafford Test, played table tennis against Mick Jagger in Members' bar.

  72. 15:28: 
    Weather update

    Thanks to the wonders of modern technology, here's a satellite image of rainfall in the Old Trafford area currently. It looks a bit damp:

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  73. 15:27: 

    Lancashire are right (they would be, it's their ground), the rain has stopped. There's even some blue sky overhead. The groundstaff, an army in shorts and wellies, have appeared to a hero's welcome. With the size of the puddles on the outfield, it will be quite some time before we get any play, that's if it doesn't rain again. If...

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    Lancashire CCC: The rain has stopped now but the groundstaff have a big mopping up operation ahead of them.

  75. 15:24: 

    We're still off for rain. More worrying than the stuff coming from the sky is the water already on the ground. Check out these puddles. We're about to find out how good the Old Trafford drainage is.

    Rain soaks the boundary at Old Trafford
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    Scott in Nottingham: Took my girlfriend to see the ODI against Sri Lanka at OT earlier in the year, her first match. She'd put a big scratch down the side of a hire van earlier that day, so was understandably in a foul mood. Fortunately, Sri Lanka were bowled out for 67, Ian Bell won the match with a six and we were in the pub by 7. Day saved.

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    Rik Andrews: Durham Test 2013, 22 of us dressed as sheep gatecrashed a hospitality tent during a rain break. Gareth Southgate was not happy.

  78. 15:05: 
    Weather update

    BBC Weather's Sarah Keith-Lucas: "It's not going to rain continually, but there are thunderstorms on their way. It's a mix of sunny spells and scattered heavy showers lasting until 7pm this evening. This is nothing to do with Bertha, but we are set for a dry night and it should be good on Saturday. During the course of Sunday, we are waiting to see if there will be strong winds and heavy rain."

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    Rain at Old Trafford

    On Twitter: "It's looking like we could be off for a while - SERIOUS rain here at Old Trafford."

  80. 15:00: 

    Just joining us? Finishing work early and hoping to follow the cricket on this Friday afternoon? The rain is scuppering that plan. We've been off for about 45 minutes, with England 237-6, leading India by 85 runs.

  81. 14:57:  
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    Jonathan Agnew, BBC Test Match Special

    "It's looking bleak. The clouds have filled in. We can't see the high-rise buildings of Manchester, which is only 10 minutes away on a tram."

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    Thomas: I sought refuge under an ice-cream van during a rain delay at T20 finals day at the Rose Bowl in 2010. We left early and gatecrashed a wedding reception at a nearby pub where the mother of the bride attacked a fellow reveller. We watched the final, which was a tie, on the TV in the pub where the reception was held. Money well spent.

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    Jonny in Dunham: I'm about eight miles south west of Old Trafford and the sun is out. Don't panic.

  85. 14:46: 

    This is unreal. There are puddles, no, lakes, on the outfield at Old Trafford. Where once there was grass, now is water. If fine leg and third man were out there, they would need a boat. Ooofff, thunder and lightning. I'm not scared. Honest.

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    Mark: I remember one wet day's cricket down at the Rose Bowl with my father. It started raining mid-afternoon and we stuck it out under the umbrella for four hours before driving home in soggy silence. No club shop, no bar, just staring at the emptying stands. I think that's the last live match I went to...

  87. 14:40: 
    Scorecard update

    England 237-6 (71 overs) - rain stopped play

    Batsmen: Root 48*, Buttler 22*

    Fall of wickets: 21-1 (Robson 6), 36-2 (Cook 17), 113-3 (Ballance 37), 136-4 (Jordan 13), 140-5 (Bell 58), 170-6 (Moeen 13)

    Bowling figures: Kumar 18-6-47-3, Pankaj 17-2-79-0, Aaron 16-2-48-3, Ashwin 13-1-28-0, Jadeja 7-0-21-0.

    India first innings: 152 (Dhoni 71, Broad 6-25)

    Scorecard

  88. 14:38: 

    It's hard to put into words how heavily the rain is falling. If you spent too long looking upwards, you'd drown. It's black as night, even the floodlights are struggling to make an impact.

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    Mark from Wiltshire: I took a girlfriend to the Oval in 1979 and Gavaskar and Chauhhan took a whole day to make 178. She never spoke to me again.

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    Kieron Lonergan: Always thought cricket ground design is hope against experience, cant think of a worse place if its raining.

    Chris Hey: What to do during a Test match rain break? Two words...beer tent!

  91. 14:32: 
    Old Trafford with the covers on

    Belting it down. Alastair Cook sitting on the England balcony reading the building instructions to his flat-pack ark.

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    Chris: I like to think I'm a bit of a pro at Headingley. Been to three days of Test match cricket there and not seen a ball bowled. A couple of visits to the club shop, a few walks around the ground and then sit in the rugby stand listening to TMS. On the odd occasion I've been teased with play I've gone to my seat. It was worth it once though as I got a photo with a grumpy Nick Compton who was walking back from a net session!

  93. 14:30: 

    Hmmm, it's starting to get heavy, proper northern rain. Those spectators that were remaining in the stands have gone to look for shelter. If you're in the ground, do let me know what the queue for the bar/club shop is like. There's a pub just outside Old Trafford called The Quadrant. I bet it's getting busy in there.

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    Dan Odlin: Dhoni is an uninspiring captain, an average wicketkeeper and a technically flawed batsman. Why is he so revered?

  95. 14:26:  
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    Sunil Gavaskar, Ex-India captain on Test Match Special

    "Varun Aaron has impressed me with his pace. He's been consistently bowling at 88mph and once he becomes confident his back injury isn't going to reoccur... he might add another 5mph."

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  97. 14:24: 

    If you're at the cricket, what do you do during a rain break? It's one of the great questions that all cricket fans must answer at some point. The bar? The club shop? I once took my long-suffering girlfriend to two consecutive days of rainy cricket, the second of which ended in a trip to the museum. Television cameras later captured me trying to console her/persuade her not to break up with me.

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    PtheP: Maybe Jadeja's short-sighted & left his other specs at home? I did that on holiday & had to wear shades in the dark just to see.

  99. 14:21: 

    Who do this suit? In the wider state of the game, probably India. It is they who are need of the rain to save them. However, it was England who were keener to get off. They knew the delay was coming and they did not want to lose a wicket before the wet stuff.

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    Tim Hales in Notts: I hope Allan Morris (14:03) isn't planning a career change to become a weatherman anytime soon!

  101. 14:19: 

    The chugging white hovercover has been placed on the wicket, with huge white sheets laid around it to cover the square. It's not raining hard enough to send spectators from the stands, though plenty of umbrellas are up.

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    Sunil Gavaskar, Ex-India captain on Test Match Special

    "It has been an intriguing Test match - it's been a test for the batsmen. The seam bowlers have profited from the conditions overhead as well as the hardness of the pitch. That's what you want to see. Joe Root and Jos Buttler have applied themselves well - taking quick singles and keeping the pressure on India. They were just opening up and scoring a few boundaries when the rain came."

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  103. 14:15: 
    RAIN STOPS PLAY- Eng 237-6

    Yep, it was always coming. The umpires tried to keep them out there, but the weather was always winning. Rod Tucker signals to the groundstaff, who make their entrance as the players take their leave. I wonder how long it will be before we see them again?

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    BBC Weather's Simon King: Big shower on its way to Old Trafford for the Test match! Disruptive afternoon ahead!

  105. 14:14: 
    Eng 237-6 (lead by 85)

    You can see the spots of water on Joe Root's helmet as Varun Aaron sends down a couple of bumpers. Jos Buttler gets in the ear of umpire Marais Erasmus as the groundstaff ready the covers. Twice Root goes through the leg side, the first of which brings two through a gifted overthrow. The umpires are on the walkie-talkies. It's only a matter of time, you feel.

  106.   
    Vic Marks, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "England will not be thinking of declaring voluntarily - even if the weather comes into play today."

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  107. 14:09: 
    Eng 234-6 (Root 45, Buttler 22)

    Every other India fielder with shades about their person has them on their caps. Jadeja still has them on his face, with the floodlights reflecting off the lenses. He's rattling through this over, as if his braces are attached to the sightscreen. Variations of flight and pace. One from it. Rain getting heavier, umpires looking at each other.

  108.   
    Sam Sheringham, BBC Sport at Old Trafford
    Fans dressed as bananas

    "It must be fancy dress Friday at Old Trafford. On a lunchtime lap, I saw some India fans dressed as Native Americans, an Elvis impersonator, Freddie Flintstone, the runners from a well-known telecoms advert and this bunch of bananas queuing at the bar."

  109. 14:07: 
    Eng 233-6 (lead by 81)

    What do India do here? They are treading the line between trying to take wickets while at the same time containing. What lead would be too many? 150? 200? Varun Aaron back for for Pankaj Singh, testing out the middle of the deck, with Root down to duck. Floodlights beat down, the crowd look to start a Mexican Wave. It's spitting with rain and that black cloud is coming over like the spaceship in Independence Day.

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    Allan Morris: Just checking the live weather radar online - looks like Old Trafford will be unlucky to catch a shower. Seems to be drifting away to the south, where I am in Longsight.

  111. 14:03: 
    Eng 232-6

    There's a chap in the crowd with an inflatable banana. He may have made the mistake of clonking a steward on the head with it. He must fancy getting thrown out. England are skipping along here, with Root dabbing Jadeja to third man for four. 31 runs have been added in six overs since lunch.

  112.   
    Vic Marks, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "The problem for Dhoni is that, although Pankaj is bowling OK, the tension is beginning to mount and he can't seem to take a wicket."

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  113. 13:59: 
    Eng 226-6 (lead by 74)

    I'm told it's raining in Knutsford. That's junction 19 of the M6. Old Trafford is about J21, with a bit of the M62 thrown in. Twenty minutes or so away. That is, if rain travels at the same speed of motorway traffic. Which it doesn't. Wide from Pankaj, Joe Root bottom-edging through the slips for four to bring up the 50 partnership. Root and Buttler celebrate with an old-fashioned handshake - no glove love here. When Root climbs into a cut, cries of "Roooot" ring around OT.

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    Francis: There was an earlier discussion on TMS re: bowlers gaining experience at Test match level. I seem to remember James Anderson being part of the England setup/squad/tours for what seemed like a number of years before being chosen for the England team. Is it that this important experience has been put to one side by the "powers that be"?

  115. 13:55: 
    Eng 217-6 (partnership 47)

    Buttler is busy, all dab sweeps and shuffling feet against the twirl of Jadeja. Behind the bat, Mahendra Dhoni, helmet and sleeveless fleece, talks in what I can only guess is Hindi. Two from the over. No rain. Yet.

  116.   
    Vic Marks, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "After Jos Buttler had been run out backing up by Sri Lanka, he came back to Taunton to play for Lancashire against Somerset. There was a moment where Alfonso Thomas ran in to bowl, held the ball close to the stumps as Buttler was backing up - then gave him a big hug."

  117. 13:52: 
    Eng 215-6 (Root 31, Buttler 19)

    This seems like the sort of situation that Jos Buttler was picked for. England slightly ahead, able to take the game away with a good hour or so. Buttler, by the way, was given shirt number 665 when he made his debut at Southampton. The next England debutant will be 666. Poor chap. Oh, lovely from Joe Root, leaning forward to drive Pankaj through the covers for four.

  118.   
    Alison Mitchell, BBC Test Match Special

    "The rain that was forecast doesn't feel like it's in the air, which is good news. There are some grey clouds up ahead, but let's hope the showers stay away."

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  119. 13:49: 
    Eng 210-6 (lead by 58)
    England's Joe Root

    The left-arm spin of Ravindra Jadeja after the break, a slip and silly point for this pair of right-handers. With the weather as black as grandad's coal shed, it's an absolute mystery as to why Jadeja is wearing shades. Maybe taking that Rockstar nickname a little too far? Who was it that sang "I wear sunglasses at night"? Anyway, when Root drives firmly for one, Varun Aaron makes a hash of the fielding and has to chase to the boundary. England run four. Behind his shades, Jadeja is livid.

  120.   
    Vic Marks, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "Pankaj is still smiling, I think in his heart of hearts he knew that one was going down the leg side, and so did umpire Erasmus. Missing by a stump and a half. Pankaj is still charging in, he can move it away from the right-hander and he looks the part. Just the wickets are missing. Maybe if he gets one, he'll get half a dozen."

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  121. 13:45: 
    APPEAL - NOT OUT- Eng 202-6

    Lunches being finished (pie, chips, gravy, always gravy) and pints being supped. Joe Root pushes for one, then Pankaj pins hits Buttler on the pads. Big shout. "Please, please give me a wicket". Marais Erasmus, the grinch, shakes his head. That's sliding down, so he's quite right. We can't just give out Test wickets because you haven't taken one for a while. If Ian Salisbury had to put up with it, so can you.

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    Ken Clark: Can I say how much I have enjoyed listening to Phil Neville - a total sportsman, really loves his cricket and football. His comments were really refreshing and interesting.

  123. 13:41: 

    Pankaj Singh, seven days in and still looking for his first Test wicket, has the ball in his hand and a smile on his face. Joe Root and Jos Buttler in the middle. Those overhead clouds are very menacing.

  124. 13:39: 

    Good afternoon to you, Stephan Shemilt here in the chair. This game is bumping along nicely, which is good when you consider that Big Bertha is due to arrive on Sunday. Actually, a Sunday with Big Bertha sounds like a pretty regular weekend...

  125.   
    BBC Radio Test Match Special
    Phil Neville on TMS

    Former Manchester United footballer Phil Neville: "I've had sleepless nights thinking about Manchester United last year. I think it was almost an impossible job to replace Sir Alex Ferguson. Louis van Gaal has it much easier in that respect. Last year was a failure, a disaster but we cannot blame David Moyes. He's an outstanding manager and it just didn't work out last year. We have to take collective responsibility."

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    Matt Brett: If England can make this a 150 lead I can't see India escaping; keep the lead below 100 and all bets are off. Perfectly poised!

  127.   
    BBC Radio Test Match Special
    The MCG on Boxing Day 2013

    Former Manchester United footballer Phil Neville: "It's an ambition of mine and Gary's to go to the Boxing Day Test in Australia. At the age of 31, I went to David Moyes and told him I wanted to retire. He gave me two weeks to decide on my footballing career, and the first thing which crossed my mind was that I could play cricket again and maybe get picked up by Lancashire again."

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    MattyTheGeneral: Why is that India's morning? Took three wickets, one a nightwatchman - we scored 88 runs and lead by 49 with four in hand - 150 lead beckons.

  129.   
    BBC Radio Test Match Special

    Former Manchester United footballer Phil Neville: "Sir Alex Ferguson didn't like cricket, and didn't understand it, but he encouraged me to play it during the summer because that was what I enjoyed."

    Listen to TMS on BBC Radio 5 live sports extra

  130.   
    BBC Radio Test Match Special
    Former West Indies bowler Vasbert Drakes

    Former Manchester United footballer Phil Neville: "Cricket really toughened us up and my Dad would encourage us to play against adults.

    "When I was 11, I was at Greenmount CC when a call came through that the first team were short at Farnworth. They had Ottis Gibson and Vasbert Drakes - two of the fastest bowlers of the time - and most people ducked for cover.

    "I think my brother Gary hid in the toilets, but I put my hand up and went over there. We were 16-6 when I got there and I got padded up. Gibson looked sorry for me when I came to bat but his run-up gradually lengthened the longer I stayed at the crease to the point where I was facing bouncers and beamers. I stayed in!

    "That experience helped my football career - facing Gibson and Drakes as an 11-year-old at Farnworth was as tough as anything I'd have to face in sport."

  131.   
    BBC Radio Test Match Special

    Former Manchester United footballer Phil Neville: "Other players which impressed me back then were Paul Collingwood, Mark Chilton and Vikram Solanki who was so stylish. I captained England Under-15s in a Test match. We played against Wales and I was so disappointed that when we got there, we only had 20 people watching us."

  132.   
    BBC Radio Test Match Special

    Former Manchester United footballer Phil Neville: "Andrew Flintoff was no different than he is now. I was more cultured and would score 60 and be proud of myself. He would be bored watching me and would then smash 40 or 50 himself. He would always just smash the ball at number four or five. He was quick and could swing the ball both ways. He was massively talented and competitive."

  133.   
    BBC Radio Test Match Special

    Former Manchester United footballer Phil Neville: "The biggest thing I remember about Old Trafford was that the lunches were unbelievable - much better than a sandwich and a bit of salad in the Bolton League. I was a left-handed opening batsman and it was a batsman's paradise too."

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  134.   
    BBC Radio Test Match Special

    Former Manchester United footballer Phil Neville: "My last game was against Middlesex and their captain was Ian Gould (now an umpire). I scored 13 and I was disappointed to walk away from the game because cricket was my first love. It's the sport my father wanted me to play."

  135.   
    BBC Radio Test Match Special
    Phil Neville

    Former Manchester United footballer Phil Neville: "Manchester United offered me £29.50 a week, but it was the fact they offered me two years' work as an apprentice."

  136.   
    BBC Radio Test Match Special

    Former Manchester United footballer Phil Neville: "My last ever game of cricket was for Lancashire seconds. I got called in by my school and they told me I was missing too much time. They said I had to give up either football or cricket, but I had just played at Wembley against an Italian team containing Totti so that swayed me. And Lancashire didn't offer me anything either. In the end, my maths teacher helped me make my decision."

  137.   
    BBC Radio Test Match Special

    Former Manchester United footballer Phil Neville, who played cricket for England at Under-15 level: "I don't miss a day's cricket, even in the winter. I'm enjoying myself here at Old Trafford today and I might even come back tomorrow."

  138. 13:04: 

    England are just about ahead in this match, but a couple more wickets and India will sense their chance. Anyway, be sure to stay tuned to Test Match Special during the lunch break when Jonathan Agnew will be chatting to former England and Manchester United footballer Phil Neville.

  139.   
    Sunil Gavaskar, Ex-India captain on Test Match Special

    "It's been an interesting morning. India have edged the session, maybe 55% to 45%. But, they can't relax, because England could still get a 150-200 lead, which would be the end of the match unless the Manchester rain intervenes."

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    Robbie Green: After this series I think a bit of 'Dire Straits - Sultans of Swing' fits perfectly for both England and Anderson.

  141. 13:02: 
    Lunch scorecard

    England 201-6 (62 overs)

    Batsmen: Root 23*, Buttler 13*

    Fall of wickets: 21-1 (Robson 6), 36-2 (Cook 17), 113-3 (Ballance 37), 136-4 (Jordan 13), 140-5 (Bell 58), 170-6 (Moeen 13)

    Bowling figures: Kumar 18-6-47-3, Pankaj 14-2-64-0, Aaron 14-2-44-3, Ashwin 13-1-28-0, Jadeja 3-0-5-0.

    India first innings: 152 (Dhoni 71, Broad 6-25)

    Scorecard

  142. 13:02: 
    LUNCH- Eng 201-6 (lead by 49)

    Firing the ball in at a quicker speed than Ravichandran Ashwin, Ravindra Jadeja presents a much different test - but one which Jos Buttler and Joe Root, so far, are passing. A single from the final over before lunch and the players head for the dressing room with India taking three wickets for 88 runs in the morning session.

  143.   
    Sunil Gavaskar, Ex-India captain on Test Match Special

    "Buttler is such a dangerous, powerful player. India need to get him quickly so he can't take the game away from them."

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  144. 12:59: 
    Eng 200-6 (Root 22, Buttler 13)

    Ravichandran Ashwin goes round the wicket to Jos Buttler, who responds to the ball angling across him by piercing the cover fielders and dispatching the ball to the boundary. An unassuming, knowing nod to Joe Root follows. One more to go until lunch.

  145. 12:57: 
    Eng 196-6 (60 overs)

    Spin from both ends, and it's like the middle overs of a 50-over match now as both batsmen happily milk the ball into the gaps. Who will crack first? Two from the over.

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    Mike from Essex: Tunes for this series? Surely Push It by Salt and Pepper for Jadeja & Anderson.

  147. 12:54: 
    Eng 194-6 (Root 21, Buttler 8)

    Relaxed and restrained, Jos Buttler tips a single into the leg side - as does Joe Root. Steady pre-lunch fare.

  148. 12:51: 
    Eng 192-6 (lead by 40)

    The pantomime villain, Ravindra Jadeja, comes into the attack for the first time in this match. Cue boos from Team Anderson in the Old Trafford crowd. Joe Root and Jos Buttler are clearly trying to inch their way safely towards lunch as they keep the scoreboard ticking with the odd single into the spread field. Two from the over.

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    Gordon: Moeen and Robson work in progress. Don't lose faith.

    Sahil: A lot of tweets saying England need a proper spinner. Are we forgetting something?

  150. 12:48: 
    Eng 190-6 (Root 19, Buttler 6)

    Bhuvneshwar Kumar, with his canny ability to swing the ball this way and that, is very much at home under the leaden Old Trafford skies. He's the type of bowler who would regularly take 8-50 as an overseas pro in local club cricket. Imagine him on a green top at Ramsbottom? Two more singles advance the score. Slowly, but surely England are edging their way towards a substantial lead.

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    Ed from Brasted, Kent: Can't help but feel that this is a crucial period leading up to lunch - if England squander this slender advantage then the promise shown yesterday and in Southampton will be forgotten. They have to display some sort of consistency across all three disciplines in all performances to finally allay concerns about captaincy and the dearth of experience in the England side. This is a hugely important half an hour and 2nd session coming up for the future of this test match, and the team.

  152. 12:45: 
    Eng 186-6 (lead by 34)

    Billy the Trumpet plays a few songs for the Old Trafford faithful, desperately trying to cut the tension enveloping the ground at this crucial juncture in the match. He played Rocky in tribute to David Warner at Old Trafford last year, do you have any suggestions for any updated tunes from this series? Three singles from another tidy Ravichandran Ashwin over.

  153.   
    Sam Sheringham, BBC Sport at Old Trafford
    Old Trafford

    "Low-scoring Test matches are often more exciting and this is no exception. The ground is much closer to capacity than it was yesterday and there's an air of focus and fascination about the spectators as they take in the unfolding narrative. Judging by the relative quiet of the outer concourses, most of them are ignoring the call of their bellies to ensure they don't miss a ball before lunch."

  154. 12:42: 
    Eng 185-6 (Kumar 17-6-45-3)

    Bhuvneshwar Kumar replaces Varun Aaron in the Indian bowling attack and a big in-ducker is worked for a single by Jos Buttler. A bit of width from the bowler and Joe Root pounces to hammer four through point.

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    Jamie in Surrey: Other than their centuries against an average Sri Lanka attack Robson and Moeen don't look like decent Test batsmen at all!

    Patrick: Moeen's batting is worrying, no more runs scored than Robson. If we can get a proper spinner his place may be in trouble.

  156. 12:36: 
    Eng 180-6 (Root 13, Buttler 2)

    Does Jos Buttler counter-attack from here? Joe Root's single gives him the strike, but he's rushed into four dots by Ravichandran Ashwin before tipping a single down the ground.

  157. 12:34: 
    Scorecard update
    India's Varun Aaron

    England 178-6 (53 overs)

    Batsmen: Root 11*, Buttler 1*

    Fall of wickets: 21-1 (Robson 6), 36-2 (Cook 17), 113-3 (Ballance 37), 136-4 (Jordan 13), 140-5 (Bell 58), 170-6 (Moeen 13)

    Bowling figures: Kumar 16-6-40-3, Pankaj 14-2-64-0, Aaron 14-2-44-3, Ashwin 9-1-17-0.

    India first innings: 152 (Dhoni 71, Broad 6-25)

    Scorecard

  158. 12:34: 
    Eng 178-6 (lead by 26)

    So, Jos Buttler walks to the crease in much different circumstances to his debut at the Rose Bowl. He should know how to bat at Old Trafford though, considering he's spent the best part of the summer playing for Lancashire. He's off the mark with a single. As Varun Aaron continues with the short stuff, Buttler, when he is returned the strike, ducks under a bouncer and England benefit from four byes.

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    Peter Crompton: Moeen Ali finally put out of his misery. Didn't look comfortable at the crease at any point.

    Dev: Moeen needs some time in the nets facing a lot of short stuff. Can't do it at the mo.

  160.   
    Geoffrey Boycott, Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "That was excellent cricket by India. Moeen had been hit on the glove, then he was hanging back. The three-card trick, what good fast bowlers do. Aaron is quick enough to trouble you, but, next year, Australia will be quicker. Moeen needs to work this out, because Johnson will be at him next summer."

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  161. 12:27: 
    WICKET- Moeen b Aaron 13 (Eng 170-6)
    England's Moeen Ali walks off

    Roughed up and duffed up! Moeen Ali is hit on the gloves when he is late on the pull shot to Varun Aaron, and he perishes next ball when he misses one which is pitched up and promptly hears the death rattle.

    Scorecard

  162. 12:25: 
    Eng 168-5 (lead by 16)

    Ooohhh! Ravichandran Ashwin is getting plenty of revolutions on the ball and induces an edge from Moeen Ali but the ball drops short of first slip. Just a single from the over.

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    Roxy: The name for Andrew Samson's database (11:47)? How about Samson and Delightful.

  164. 12:22: 
    Eng 167-5 (Root 11, Moeen 10)

    Varun Aaron decides to go round the wicket to Joe Root, who seems to adapt by opening up his body a bit more to be more full-on at the crease. Not that it works, as Root is pinned on the helmet by a vicious short ball and it runs away for four leg byes.

  165.   
    Geoffrey Boycott, Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "India have to defend and attack. England have a lead, so they have to be careful. They have to keep the lead manageable. 50? Yes. After that, it gets dangerous."

    If you're looking to listen to TMS overseas, follow this link - it's not available in India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh.

  166. 12:17: 
    Eng 162-5 (lead by 10)
    England's Moeen Ali

    Time for some twirly stuff from Ravichandran Ashwin, and Moeen Ali quickly gets down on one knee to try and hoist the off-spinner over mid-wicket, only to play and miss at the ball. That's the batsman's only blemish, though, as he reverts to presenting the full face of the bat and playing out six dots.

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    Will Ross: Up to Root and Moeen to establish England with some runs once more. If this partnership falls, England will be on the back foot.

    Josh Wilmott: Short stuff to Moeen Ali, surely he is now being tested with a bit of beard music instead of chin music?

  168. 12:13: 
    Eng 162-5 (Root 11, Moeen 10)

    Just reading Geoffrey Boycott's comments below, it fascinates me how certain grounds are renowned for producing certain pitches, particularly Old Trafford. What is it about one of the wettest cities in England which makes for a quick pitch? And one which, traditionally, dries out and takes spin on the fifth day? Is it the soil? Does anyone know?

    More quick stuff from Varun Aaron out in the middle, and a yorker is well dug out by Joe Root and the ball pings for two into the mid-wicket area.

  169.   
    BBC Radio Test Match Special

    Today's lunchtime guest on Test Match Special is a former England Under-15 cricket captain, who starred for Lancashire's youth teams before choosing football over cricket. It's former England, Manchester United and Everton defender/midfielder Phil Neville.

    Here he is with special guests Steve Harmison and Michael Vaughan at a match at Salford City last night.

    Steve Harmison, Phil Neville and Michael Vaughan
  170. 12:08: 
    Eng 160-5 (lead by 8)

    Bhuvneshwar Kumar, his shirt perennially untucked, dips one in to Moeen's pads and asks the question. Not out. When the strike is rotated, Kumar's in-ducker finds the middle of Root's bat, with the three taken bringing the scores level. Moeen, sometimes unsure on the short ball, hooks a high bumper for four to take England into the lead.

  171. 12:03: 
    Scorecard update

    England 148-5 (47 overs)

    Batsmen: Root 6*, Moeen 2*

    Fall of wickets: 21-1 (Robson 6), 36-2 (Cook 17), 113-3 (Ballance 37), 136-4 (Jordan 13), 140-5 (Bell 58)

    Bowling figures: Kumar 15-6-28-3, Pankaj 14-2-64-0, Aaron 11-2-35-2, Ashwin 7-0-16-0.

    India first innings: 152 (Dhoni 71, Broad 6-25)

    Scorecard

  172.   
    Geoffrey Boycott, Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "You look at this pitch, the pace and bounce, the other grounds should be looking at this as the standard for pitches in England. This is ideal for what all sides want. It gets the bowlers in the game."

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  173. 12:02: 
    DRINKS BREAK- Eng 148-5 (Root 6, Moeen 1)

    A gentle hum emanates from the Old Trafford stands as Moeen Ali takes a leg bye before Joe Root, on the back foot to the pacey Varun Aaron, clips two into the leg side. Time for some drinks.

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    Ed in West Sussex: If England aren't careful here, India could be batting again before lunch only facing a 30-40 run deficit.

    Patrick Heren: I notice that we still haven't levelled the scores. Not actually going as well as we thought last night.

  175. 11:56: 
    Eng 145-5 (trail by 7)

    Joe Root FEC (future England captain)? Maybe... I'm told the Yorkshire dressing room has been silent whenever he speaks since the batsman was 19, 20. I wonder if that aura is transferrable to the England dressing room?

    Out in the middle, Moeen Ali is being tested with a bit of chin music. Well, strictly speaking, the music isn't playing because Moeen's ducking his chin beneath the ball. Riding the next one, the left-hander turns a single unconvincingly round the corner.

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    O'Boogie: Why is Kohli so excited at that wicket falling? Is he really that keen to face Jimmy again? I'd stay fielding if I was him.

    Fenners: A few pretty shots... a half century... cue the inevitable dismissal... true Bell style.

  177. 11:51: 
    Eng 144-5 (Root 4, Moeen 0)

    Varun Aaron, who showed last night that he is capable of bowling at speeds of 90mph, charges to the crease - only to have his sting taken away by Joe Root's well-controlled dab down to the third man boundary. The young Yorkie then ducks under a couple of bouncers. Just four from the over.

  178.   
    Sam Sheringham, BBC Sport at Old TraffordSamson's sorcery
    TMS statistician Andrew Samson

    "Watching Test March Special statistician Andrew Samson at work truly is a marvel. Using a database he created himself in 2001 and updates every day, he is capable of plucking out obscure facts and statistics in a matter of seconds, and all while scoring every ball of the match. Samson says his programme contains the scorecards of every match in cricket history and allows him to raise 'queries' every time he wants to look something up.

    "Using just a couple of mouse clicks in the first 10 minutes of play, he is able to inform listeners that the luckless Pankaj Singh has surpassed George Headley to set a new record for the most runs conceded without taking a first Test wicket and reeled off Ian Bell's career statistics at Old Trafford. With characteristic modesty Samson admits that he hasn't given his database a name. 'Samson's sorcery?' I suggest. A pause, then a wry smile. 'Yes I quite, like that one,' he replies."

  179. 11:47: 
    Eng 140-5 (trail by 12)

    Are we going to see some pretty hostile stuff from India now? Moeen Ali joins Joe Root at the crease, and fast bowler Varun Aaron is being cranked up.

  180.   
    Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "If Kumar keeps producing balls like that, India can get back in to this Test match. It's a good line and length, a leg-cutter, and Bell opens the face of the bat. It's a beautiful delivery."

  181. 11:44: 
    WICKET- Bell c Dhoni b Kumar 58 (Eng 140-5)
    England's Ian Bell

    That's a big, big wicket for India. In boxing terms, it's a knock-down in which the fighter takes a standing count and continues.

    England's most senior middle order batsman is tempted into playing at one outside off stump and he nicks off to a delighted MS Dhoni behind the stumps. Off you trot, Ian.

    Scorecard

  182. 11:41: 
    Eng 140-4 (Bell 58, Root 0)

    If I was to give an example of cricket's beauty to somebody who wasn't a fan of the sport, I'd offer up a clip of Ian Bell's cover drive. The elegant Warwickshire batsman pushes Varun Aaron into the covers for three, and watches safely from the non-striker's end as the Indians instantly begin to pepper Joe Root with some short stuff.

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    Alex from Essex: My best day was an under-15s club game in which I got two South of England players out and knocked off the total finishing 44 not out. Why are we all all-rounders in our teens?

  184. 11:36: 
    Eng 136-4 (Kumar 13-5-27-2)

    Who's next in? Joe Root. There's still plenty of batting to come for England too, with Moeen Ali, Jos Buttler and Chris Woakes all in reserve. Not forgetting Stuart Broad and the Burnley Lara on his home ground.

  185.   
    Vic Marks, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special
    England's Chris Jordan

    "He swatted it like a tennis shot. They didn't have an orthodox mid-wicket until Jordan was on strike. It was a surprise bouncer and he hit it straight to him. He's disgusted with himself because he knows that was a great opportunity."

    Listen to TMS commentary on BBC Radio 5 live sports extra

  186. 11:31: 
    WICKET- Jordan c Aaron b Kumar 13 (Eng 136-4)
    India's Bhuvneshwar Kumar celebrates

    A short ball from Bhuvneshwar Kumar and Chris Jordan absolutely nails it out of the screws - but straight to a tumbling Varun Aaron at mid-wicket. A fine catch, and Jordan drags himself off.

    Scorecard

  187. 11:28: 
    Scorecard update

    England 133-3 (41 overs)

    Batsmen: Bell 52*, Jordan 13*

    Fall of wickets: 21-1 (Robson 6), 36-2 (Cook 17), 3-113 (Ballance 37)

    Bowling figures: Kumar 12-5-23-1, Pankaj 14-2-64-0, Aaron 8-2-26-2, Ashwin 7-0-16-0.

    India first innings: 152 (Dhoni 71, Broad 6-25)

    Scorecard

  188. 11:27: 
    Eng 133-3 (Bell 52, Jordan 13)

    India still look a little shellshocked by what happened yesterday. There's little fizz in their bowling, little confidence in their body language and even less chirp from their mouths.

    Pankaj Singh is trying to set up Chris Jordan with some short stuff - placing a man under the helmet and putting a couple of fielders on the hook. The nightwatchman's not playing that game today, though. Maiden over.

  189.   
    Vic Marks, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "India have had lots of highs and lows. They have had success in white-ball cricket. Dhoni has a team he thinks he can work with. He may have previously been shackled by a group he inherited."

  190. 11:24: 
    Eng 133-3 (trail by 19)

    Solid from Bhuvneshwar Kumar, who is landing the ball on a sixpence but not getting it to move very much. A muted leg-before appeal fizzles out as Ian Bell plays out a maiden over.

  191.  
    Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Andrew: My best day was an under-13s cup game. I took 4-8 including a hat-trick and a teammate bowled 4-0, bowling them out for 40. We lost.

    George Wilkins: 7-18 off 19 overs. They were batting for the draw took the last man with three balls to go. Middle stump.

  192. 11:20: 
    Eng 133-3 (Pankaj 13-1-64-0)
    India's Pankaj Singh

    Still Lady Luck continues to shun Pankaj Singh, who bowls a nice little in-swinger to Chris Jordan and the batsman somehow gets an under-edge for four. The nightwatchman adds another boundary by angling the ball down to third man.

  193.  
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    Paul from Cannock: Best day for me is still Devon Malcolm's 9-57. An unbelievable spell of fast bowling, which changed the game at the Oval in 94.

    Cillian: June 2014. My first ever 6 at the age of 39 for Greystones against our local rivals Wicklow County.

  194. 11:14: 
    Eng 125-3 (Bell 52, Jordan 5)

    I've already seen some questionable fancy dress in the crowd this morning. There's a couple of lads with plastic chickens on their heads while four others sit cramped for room in their rather large Angry Birds costumes. Always a good idea until you get on the rattler home, half sun-burnt and half-cut.

    Ian Bell advances his score by two with a couple through square leg off Bhuvneshwar Kumar.

  195.   
    Andrew Samson, BBC Test Match Special statistician

    "This is Ian Bell's seventh Test at Old Trafford and he has scored a fifty in six of them."

    If you're looking to listen to TMS overseas, follow this link - it's not available in India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh.

  196.   
    Jonathan Agnew, BBC Test Match Special
    England's Ian Bell

    "You have to draw the welcome conclusion that Ian Bell is back at the top of his game again."

  197. 11:11: 
    50 FOR IAN BELL- Eng 123-3

    Poor Pankaj Singh. He can't buy a wicket, can he? Even Chris Jordan is taking him on now as the nightwatchman swats a short ball to the boundary. A single puts Ian Bell on strike, and the number four brings up the 42nd half-century of his Test career with one into the off side. Another classy knock. But we've come to expect it, haven't we?

  198.  
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    Robin: Best personal day of cricket? Taking 5 for 49 with some perfectly directed long hops for the MCC on tour in Slovenia in 2007. I am, of course, referring to the institution that is the Munich Cricket Club.

    Peter: Has to be the rollercoaster final day of the Ashes Test at Edgbaston in 2005. Still gives me goose bumps now!

  199. 11:05: 
    Eng 117-3 (trail by 35 runs)

    Old Trafford is still filling up as Bhuvneshwar Kumar gets us under way on the second morning. Bowling gentle outswingers, Kumar is met by the full face of Ian Bell's bat, before the elegant right-hander scores the first runs of the day with a delicate cut through backward point for four.

  200.   
    Vic Marks, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "Jordan is a gifted cricketer at the start of his career. He actually bowled well yesterday, much better than Southampton. He'll be feeling pretty good about himself."

    Listen to TMS commentary on BBC Radio 5 live sports extra

  201. 10:59: 
    India in their pre-match huddle

    Ian Bell, who resumes on 45 not out, strides to the middle with the night-watchman Chris Jordan. I've said this before, but it's worth repeating: I used to think the nightwatchman had to stand guard over the wicket all night. I was only 10 at the time. No wonder Jordan looks so tired today...

  202.   
    Steve Harmison, Ex-England pace bowler on BBC Test Match Special

    "I remember us doing well against Pakistan here. When you get the ball moving against a subcontinental team, even though there might be the odd partnership, you can take wickets in clusters. Sometimes Asian batsmen find it very difficult to get in on a pitch like this. It can be difficult to start an innings, and that's how it proved yesterday."

  203. 10:57: 

    Right then. Are we all set? Got your office brew round out of the way? Elevenses within reach? Good, it's time for some cricket then.

  204.   
    Prakash Wakankar, BBC Test Match Special
    India's Varun Aaron

    "If India can't get a good hour, or hour and a half, in here, they're going to have to hope for rain."

    If you're looking to listen to TMS overseas, follow this link - it's not available in India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh.

  205.   
    Geoffrey Boycott, Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "Because there is some rain around in a couple of days, the best thing for England is that they get runs but also get bowled out. That means they get a chance to bowl tomorrow night and then on Saturday. I'd bury India before any rain comes."

    Listen to TMS commentary on BBC Radio 5 live sports extra

  206.  
    Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Al Stokoe: I once took 7-1 in a under 15 match, leaving the opposition team 4 all out, the 1 run was a wide!

    Andy Mintram: I once got 15no, and took two wickets for Hythe and Dibden 3rd XI... trust me, that was an AMAZING day for me.

  207.   
    Sam Sheringham, BBC Sport at Old Trafford

    "The conditions at Old Trafford this morning are not dissimilar to yesterday. The sky is heavy and grey, and the floodlights are already on full beam as the teams warm up on opposite sides of the outfield. You get the impression this is the part of the day that silver-topped coaches Peter Moores and Duncan Fletcher truly relish. The energetic Moores is bouncing around from man to man, waving his arms and barking out orders. Fletcher, meanwhile, rolls back the years as he crouches down with cap on head and bat in hand to serve up catching practice to the India slips' cordon."

  208.   
    Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "No disrespect to Jordan and Woakes, but the Indians were playing them with comfort compared to Anderson and Broad. It never gets talked about in the present, but in 10-15 years we'll be talking about the Anderson-Broad combination as one of the great ones."

    Listen to TMS commentary on BBC Radio 5 live sports extra

  209. 10:49: 
    Anderson king of the swingers

    Wondering how James Anderson works his magic? Wonder no more, because Simon Hughes, "The Analyst", has all the answers on the BBC Sport website. Check out his video here.

  210.   
    Steve Harmison, Ex-England pace bowler on BBC Test Match Special

    "Broad and Anderson have over 600 wickets between them, they're a proven match-winning combination. But it would have been nice for Jordan and Woakes to have had the chance to bowl in the conditions Anderson and Broad did."

    Michael Vaughan adds: "I think Steve's being kind. I don't think they'd have had much of an impact. I worry about Chris Woakes - as a right-hander, I know everything's going to my right. Unless he can find one to go back into the batsman, he's not threatening the stumps. He doesn't hide the ball, you can see the shiny side. He needs to have a chat with Jimmy Anderson."

  211. 10:47: 
    Aggers' view
    James Anderson & Stuart Broad

    England are sure to miss Stuart Broad in the matches which he doesn't play while he recovers from surgery, and the BBC's cricket correspondent Jonathan Agnew says Broad and James Anderson produced a "masterclass of new-ball bowling" at Old Trafford yesterday.

    "At their brilliant best, Anderson and Broad set a standard that England's other bowlers must aspire to," Agnew wrote in his BBC Sport column. "There is a gulf in class between England's opening pair and the rest of the attack."

  212. 10:44: 
    Broad to have operation

    There's some fairly significant news to bring you since we last came together. That's because it has been announced that England fast bowler Stuart Broad will have an operation on his right knee later this summer.

    He expects to be fit for the World Cup and Ashes in 2015, but he does expect to be sidelined for three months.

    "It has got to the stage where it needs to be done," said Broad. "I should be fine for the World Cup (in February)."

  213.   
    Prakash Wakankar, BBC Test Match Special

    "After India were 8-4 yesterday, I thought Dhoni, Rahane and Ashwin gave some some semblance of respectability. It's up to the Indian bowlers today - they've got to knock over three or four really quickly to have any chance in this game."

    If you're looking to listen to TMS overseas, follow this link - it's not available in India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh.

  214.  
    Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Before we go any further, let's open up our debate for the morning. Picking up on Stuart Broad's "amazing day" theme, when was your perfect day's cricket?

    Maybe you took five wickets in five balls once? Perhaps you smashed 180 in a 20-over game? Or you may recall a particularly sweet day's play of professional cricket?

    Let us know via the usual channels - #bbccricket on Twitter, send a text to 81111 or email tms@bbc.co.uk (putting 'For Marc Higginson' in the subject line).

  215.   
    BBC Radio Test Match Special

    The Test Match Special team are in place to talk you through the day's action. As ever, you can listen on BBC Radio 5 live sports extra, Radio 4 longwave, here online, on digital TVs and via the BBC Sport and BBC iPlayer Radio apps. Enjoy.

  216. 10:37: 
    Weather update

    BBC Weather's Simon King: "It should stay dry this morning but we will probably see some heavy showers developing from around 2pm this afternoon - some of which may be torrential. They will pass through by the early evening, but the damage might already have been done. We should see plenty of play on Saturday - it will be a lovely summer's afternoon - but on Sunday we are expecting rain to spread in from the south during the afternoon. It could well be a wash-out."

  217. 10:35: 

    The big question now is: can England force home their advantage before ex-hurricane Bertha sweeps into view on Sunday and Monday?

  218. 10:34: 

    Oh yes, Old Trafford was awoken from its Thursday morning slumber by the clatter of timber and the quacking of ducks (almost!) in a barely-believable first hour of the fourth Test.

    India equalled the world record for the most ducks in an innings - six - as they slumped to 152 all out and watched England race to 113-3 by the close of play.

  219. 10:30: 
    Oh such a perfect day!
    Stuart Broad

    "To bowl a Test match side out for 150 and to be 30 short with seven wickets in hand is an amazing day of Test cricket for England."

    Not my words, but the musings of Stuart Broad following an incredible first day at Old Trafford.

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Live Scores - England v India

 

  • England beat India by an innings and 54 runs
  • England: 367-9 (105.3 overs)
  • India: 152 & 161 (43.0 overs)
  • Venue: Old Trafford

India 2nd Innings

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Vijay lbw b Woakes 18
Gambhir c Buttler b Anderson 18
Pujara lbw b Moeen 17
Kohli c Bell b Anderson 7
Rahane c and b Moeen 1
Dhoni c Ballance b Moeen 27
Jadeja c Jordan b Moeen 4
Ashwin not out 46
B Kumar run out (Moeen) 10
Aaron c Buttler b Jordan 9
Pankaj Singh b Jordan 0
Extras 1nb 1w 1b 1lb 4
Total all out 161

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