England v India, first Test, day three as it happened

England partially recover from another collapse to close day three of the first Test on 352-9, trailing India by 105.

11 July 2014 Last updated at 10:40

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As it happened

  1. 18:50: 

    Time to depart. James Anderson and Joe Root may have raised English spirits, but the hosts are still staring down a ninth Test without a win, perhaps with a seventh defeat thrown in.

    Still, don't let it ruin your Friday evening. Goodnight.

    Geoffrey Boycott, Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "My concern is coaching staff who have never played international cricket. If you have been at the top level it is very hard to talk to players about it."

  3. 18:49: 

    And so that is where we shall return tomorrow, with England still hoping to take the maximum amount of time and runs from the last-wicket stand before the game of India setting a target begins.

    One way or another, it looks England will have to bat most, if not all, of the final day to escape with a draw.

  4. 18:47: 

    England batsman Joe Root: "Great credit to the guys after tea. Broady's innings put all the pressure back on them and a lot of credit has to go to Jimmy at the end, they have given us a great chance to get back into the match.

    "Me and Jimmy have some good work to do tomorrow hopefully. The tea break broke up their rhythm, and gave us the opportunity to re-group, the way Broad came out and attacked them was fantastic.

    Would you take a draw? "I'm not going to answer your question."

    England's Joe Root
    Geoffrey Boycott, Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "Joe is a mentally tough little so and so and that's a really good effort from what was a scratchy start. He's battled away and that is all credit to him. I always speak well of Joe because he has a lot of good points, but he is not ready to go up the order. Stuart Broad's innings was the highlight of the day. He walloped it, old fashioned, a couple of shots like Garry Sobers, it gets the crowd going and the initiative is taken away from the bowlers because England had just had a mad hour."

  6. 18:46: 

    The Root-Anderson stand is important for a few reasons. Firstly it has taken time from the game, time that England may now not have to survive batting last. It has also eaten 54 precious runs from India's lead, runs they will now have to get tomorrow. Finally, it has given England's bowlers, Anderson included, a full day off.

    Geoffrey Boycott, Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "There's a guy bowling for India at 80mph on this pitch so slow you ought to be hitting him 10 rows back. Moeen takes his eyes off it and ducks? You have to make the bowlers bowl you out with good balls. When you keep making mistakes, this will not do if we are going to win."

  8. 18:44: 

    India, on the whole, have bowled very well. Aided by a ball change in the 54th over, the three pacers of Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Mohammed Shami and Ishant Sharma found movement in the air and off the pitch to share the nine wickets between them. Only as they tired in the face of Root and Anderson's late resistance did the tourists begin to look ineffective.

  9. 18:42: 
    Close-of-play scorecard

    England 352-9 (106 overs) - trail by 105

    Root 78*, Anderson 23*

    Fall of wickets: 9-1 (Cook 5) 134-2 (Robson 59) 154-3 (Ballance 71), 172-4 (Bell 25), 197-5 (Moeen 14), 202-6 (Prior 5), 202-7 (Stokes 0), 280-8 (Broad 47), 298-9 (Plunkett 7)

    Bowling figures: Kumar 25-8-61-4, Shami 24-3-98-2, Ishant 27-3-109-3, Jadeja 24-4-56-0, Binny 6-0-22-0

    First innings: India 457 after winning toss


    Joe Root leaves the field with 78 to his name
  10. 18:40: 

    The gritty half-centuries of Root and Ballance would later be matched by the flair of Stuart Broad, the tail-marshaling of Joe Root and the stickability of James Anderson. How important might this last-wicket stand be in England's bid to save the game?

  11. 18:39: 
    England's collapses

    England fans might want to look away now - here are their collapses in the past eight Tests:

    8-54 & 7-49 v Australia, Brisbane, Nov 2013

    6-24 v Australia, Adelaide, Dec 2013

    6-61 & 4-17 v Australia, Perth, Dec 2013

    6-53 & 5-6 v Australia, Melbourne, Dec 2013

    5-17 & 4-8 v Australia, Sydney, Jan 2014

    6-75 v Sri Lanka, Lord's

    5-18 v Sri Lanka, Headingley

    6-68 v India, Trent Bridge

    England's Gary Ballance
    Geoffrey Boycott, Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "This was the best day of the three. The pitch hasn't changed much - it's still damn hard for the bowlers. In the morning Robson and Ballance played sweetly. But just when you thought they were putting the pitch into context, it all happened. It was ridiculous. I don't see how England can win a Test match until they bat more consistently."

  13. 18:38: 

    What to make of that? England were coasting at 134-1 but, after a poor decision to send Sam Robson on his way, the rest fell away through a combination of poor batting and good bowling. Gary Ballance got a good delivery from Ishant Sharma, Ian Bell, Moeen Ali and Ben Stokes aided their own downfalls, while Matt Prior got a howler of a caught-behind decision.

    Graeme Swann, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "It's been rescue day - at one stage it had that familiar sinking feeling but it has been rescued by Stuart Broad, Joe Root and the man fast becoming one of the finest left-handers in international cricket, Jimmy Anderson."

  15. 18:30: 
    CLOSE OF PLAY- Eng 352-9

    And that is that. England's last-wicket partnership have survived for more than an hour to put on 54, taking the home side to 352-9. Joe Root is unbeaten on 78, while James Anderson has swashbuckled for 23. However, it only partly masks a poor day for the hosts. From 134-1, England crumbled to 298-9. Even after the Root-Anderson show, India lead by 105 runs.

  16. 18:30: 
    Eng 352-9

    Stuart Binny, barely seen today, is asked to bowl what is likely to be the final over. Root and Anderson aren't sure whether to take the single, while Rahul Dravid is on the boundary edge, having a chat. Anderson finally decides that he'll take the final two balls of the day.

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    Former England captain Alec Stewart on Twitter: "Not seeing any criticism of MS Dhoni's captaincy tactics during this 10th wicket partnership yet Cook would be getting plenty!"

  18. 18:27: 
    Eng 351-9 (trail by 106)

    Shami withdrawn, Jadeja recalled to tweak a couple of late ones down. Root, not really the focus of this last wicket stand, eases through the covers and runs a couple. The field comes up looking to stop the single, but Root tips and runs, taking advantage of some pretty woeful India fielding. Anderson defends the final ball. It's all a little sleepy. Evening sun, a barely audible crowd, a weary India team. It's been a low-intensity final hour, which probably has only one over remaining.

    England's Joe Root
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    Voice From The Stand: What sort of criticism would Cook get if he was employing the same tactics as Dhoni for this final wicket?

  20. 18:23: 
    Eng 348-9 (Root 74, Anderson 23)

    Anderson is definitely not fancying Ishant, with Root refusing singles despite them being on offer for the first three balls of the over. Dhoni is wise to the plan, bringing his men up, which allows Root to take two from a leading edge through the covers. A leg bye brings up the 50 partnership, while England are now less than 111 behind, the stand put on by India's 10th-wicket pair. With only three overs and less than 10 minutes to go, India won't be batting tonight.

    Andrew Samson, BBC Test Match Special statistician

    "It's the first time Jimmy has got into the 20s in 17 Test matches - 23 at Dunedin was the last time he did that."

  22. 18:18: 
    Eng 345-9 (trail by 112)

    Lovely from Jimmy, who is back expecting the short ball, pushing to the off side and calling "yes" right away. For some reason, India allow England the single, which they take. Anderson seems to be more at home at Shami's end, a point proved by a flat-bat cut for four through mid off. India are virtually in the dressing room.

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    Tony Cocozza: In 20 years from now number 11s will be expected to contribute with at least 30-odd. There will be no rabbits.

  24. 18:14: 
    Eng 339-9 (trail by 118)

    Is now the hottest part of the day at TB? A young lady, ice lolly in hand, fans herself as Ishant looks to keep Root at one end for an entire over. The field converges, Root stuck for five balls. Final ball, England want odd numbers, India evens or a dot. Never mind that, Root rips up the plan and smashes through the leg side for four. Anderson, though, must now face a whole over of Shami.

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    Ian Rumsey: Everyone saying bowlers will be tired... but surely the positive way of looking at is they have a short burst, knock over three wickets.

    Chris Mitchell: So after each side has batted once, the difference is pretty much India's last wicket stand. You get what you deserve at this level.

  26. 18:06: 
    APPEAL - NOT OUT- Eng 335-9

    Back under way, with Shami charging in casting a lengthening shadow. Nip back, Root hit on the back leg. This looks good, but ump Dharmasena says no. Close, replays suggesting it would have clipped leg, an 'umpire's call'. Once more Anderson is left with one ball to survive, once more it is a bumper, but this time Jimmy is behind it without taking a blow.

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    Duncan in Chorley: What's wrong with the thought that a number 11 can stick around and contribute 50+ to a 100+ run 10th wicket partnership?

  28. 18:05: 
    OUCH!- Eng 332-9

    Anderson actually took that blow on the top hand, so there's another delay while the physio checks out the digits. It's Jimmy right hand, his bowling hand, that is being examined and treated with the spray. As he waits, Joe Root places a towel around his neck like a boxer in between rounds. Seven overs left in the day, we might not get them in.

    Graeme Swann, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "Seeing Jimmy play that reverse sweep I am convinced he is right-handed. I have seen him play golf, he plays that right-handed and hits the ball miles, he definitely should be a right handed batsman!"

    England's James Anderson
  30. 18:02: 
    Eng 332-9 (Root 66, Anderson 16)

    Here's a question. Do India actually want to be batting tonight? They would could out with four or five to face, that's a no-win situation (other than the fact they would be more than 100 ahead). Ishant Sharma back for Bhuvneshwar Kumar, a cut for one in the sunshine giving Anderson just one ball to survive. In come the slips and the short leg. No prizes for guessing where this is going. Short, stright at the badge, Jimmy fending it off his nose. Well played.

    Phil Tufnell, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "Like Zorro with that reverse sweep there Jimmy."

  32. 17:57: 
    Eng 329-9 (128 behind)

    India continue to leave the field out for Root, which is baffling considering a) he's only taking the single from the fourth delivery and b) James Anderson looks like a man playing in the back garden. He's done it again! The reverse sweep! Huge stride, wrists cocked, ball flashing past point for four. Jimmy clearly doesn't want a bowl tonight.

    Phil Tufnell, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "As Boycs would say, I think this is a bit of signal to the fellas in the hutch from Jimmy: 'You want me to do the batting as well as the bowling?' Don't give it away now. Keep them out here."

  34. 17:54: 
    Eng 324-9 (Root 62, Anderson 12)

    Get James Anderson up the order. The number 11 is dealing in boundaries, his third coming from a straight drive past Kumar that Alastair Cook can only dream of at the moment. How long can Dhoni let this drift? This pair have been together for seven overs.

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    David in Farnborough: The debate around Cook's merit as a captain are understandable but pointless unless a viable alternative is offered up. What's more concerning is how long the side can carry his lack of runs at the top.

  36. 17:50: 
    Eng 320-9 (137 behind)

    It seems a little baffling that Ravi Jadeja is continuing to bowl, surely Mohammed Shami or Ishant Sharma would make life more uncomfortable for James Anderson? As it is, some lazy boundary fielding allows Root a couple of twos, before the over is completed by a silky square drive.

    England's Joe Root
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    Nick Hall: Robson, Ballance and Root half-centuries a positive. Just missing one big score. They will be the mainstay for years.

    Ashley Robbins: How come Moores is escaping from criticism? This is worse than before. I imagine he is great as your uncle. Not a Test coach!

  38. 17:48: 
    Eng 312-9 (Root 54, Anderson 8)

    Whisper it quietly, but this game is now just drifting a little in the evening sunshine. Every ball England eat up now is one more they won't have to survive when batting to save the game. Every run they make is one more India will need to put back on the lead. Root single off Kumar, Anderson then defending in comfort. 11 overs remain, nine if we change innings.


    Phil Tufnell, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "It's going to come down to the old 'having to bat for four-and-a-half sessions', isn't it? If you can't do that, you lose."

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  40. 17:44: 
    Eng 311-9 (146 behind)

    Joe Root misses an attempted reverse sweep at Jadeja, taking a blow on the wrist. If his arm hadn't got in the way, young Joe might have been in trouble. Even though it's only left-arm spin, Root decides that blow has hurt, calling on the physio for some spray and a drink. At the other end, Anderson still batting like Lara.

    Simon Mann, BBC Test Match Special

    "There have been three top-class shots played today. Moeen Ali played one and Anderson has played two of them."

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  42. 17:39: 
    Eng 310-9 (Root 52, Anderson 8)

    Root is only happy to give Anderson the strike after the fourth ball of Kumar's over. No idea why he'd protect him, that back-foot drive through the covers is one of the shots of the day. The crowd sings their approval. Jimmy might fancy a knock here. He's in form after Headingley, and the pitch/bowlers might not be quick enough to bounce him out.

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    Mike in Cheshire: Do you think Jimmy should have an arrangement with the batsmen that if he has to come out and bat instead of them then they should go in and bowl instead of him? Up to the Burnley barricade to keep them out for the rest of the day.

  44. 17:35: 
    Eng 305-9 (152 behind)

    So, the India last-wicket pair put on 111. If England manage that, they will only be 48 behind. Does Root look to farm the strike? Play some shots? Either way, it looks highly likely England will be bowling again tonight. After sending down 160 overs, a stint completed just over 24 hours ago, England's bowlers will be incredibly grumpy at the prospect of having to go out there again. 'The only way to avoid bowling, is to bat' reasons James Anderson. Sound logic, Jimmy, that reverse sweep for four is awesome.

    England's James Anderson
    Geoffrey Boycott, Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "His temperament, his composure I never worry about that with Joe. I have always been slightly concerned if the new ball gets to him but everything else, once he gets in, he's got a good mind for batting."

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  46. 17:31: 
    50 for Joe Root- Eng 298-9

    Prior to that Plunkett wicket, Joe Root pushed Kumar through the covers to move his fifth Test half-century. Muted celebrations would be an understatement for the man who has been an eyewitness to much of England's batting woes today. He is now joined by the Headingley wall, James Anderson.

    England's Joe Root
    Geoffrey Boycott, Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "I thought Joe would have said to Plunkett to hang around and play for him. If they could have batted through the day our bowlers, who have had a really hard time, don't have to come out and they get another night's rest."

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  48. 17:27: 
    WICKET- Plunkett b Kumar 7 (Eng 298-9)

    Stumps everywhere, Liam Plunkett is bowled to a reaction of near-silence inside Trent Bridge, not only from the crowd, but the India team too. It's a lovely inswinger from Bhuvneshwar Kumar, who now has 4-51 and career-best figures. England are only one wicket away from fielding again tonight.


    England's Liam Plunkett
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    danny payne: The brilliance of Test match cricket. For a day-and-a-half the pitch was too flat and boring, now it's a nail-biter.

    Andrew Coates: The inability to kill teams off and the lack of mental fortitude when under the pump. English sport personified.

  50. 17:26: 
    Eng 297-8 (160 behind)

    Jadeja gets his first look at Plunkett, the spinner to the tailender. Plunkett's first plan is to have dance, with an edge then running away for two. That hint of sunshine we saw after tea looks to have gone for now, Trent Bridge is once again cloud-covered. Plunkett, getting a big pad out there, deals with Jadeja well.

    Geoffrey Boycott, Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "Plunkett was at a pretty low ebb when Yorkshire took a punt on him; he and people at Durham were wondering where the hell his career was going. When he played for England first time he thought too much about his bowling. If you read about all sports - golf, tennis - when you find a player is disturbed by something in his family life you very rarely get top performances from them."

  52. 17:22: 
    Eng 292-8 (Root 46, Plunkett 5)

    Mohammed Shami after drinks, drawing a stifled appeal when a bumper hits Plunkett on the forearm and loops to second slip. The cheers of what sounds like a Mexican wave come from the stands as Plunkett, shift hugging his chest, leans forward into a wonderful cover drive. Joe Root enjoyed that so much he applauded with bat on hand.

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    Neil in Sheffield: Those defending Cook are missing the point, this is going to be nine successive Test matches without a win and probably seven of them lost, that's not solely down to losing the toss and bad umpiring.

  54. 17:15: 
    DRINKS BREAK- Eng 288-8

    India revert to spin, the so-far wicketless yet miserly Ravi Jadeja. Root, nearing a half-century, is busy, nurdling then sprinting a couple. Don't get too busy, Joseph. There's no single there and Plunkett sends him back. That's drinks. There are 18 overs left in the day, 16 if we have a change of innings. We can't play later than 18:30.

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    Mark: The lack of DRS is good - there's no faffing around - when you're given out, that's it. No time wasting, or hopeful appeals.

  56. 17:12: 
    Eng 286-8 (Root 43, Plunkett 1)

    So how might this match unfold? If India take these final two wickets reasonably quickly, they will have a lead well in excess of 150 tonight. Runscoring has been difficult throughout the match, but, with a little gas, could they score 300 by an hour after tea tomorrow? That would leave more than a day to bowl England out. On this first-innings showing, that would be about what is needed.

    Geoffrey Boycott, Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "They are not out of danger, the way they have been collapsing. Until you consistently score 400 there will always be that worry that we are going to lose the game."

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  58. 17:09: 
    Eng 281-8 (Root 40, Plunkett 0)

    Kumar, shirt flapping up his back as he delivers, hangs the ball outside the Plunkett off stump, with the Yorkshire man having mixed success with putting willow on leather. Play and miss, drive to cover, miss again. It's a maiden, but an eventful one.

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    Andy Bob: Had the wrong window open at work and clicked to print. 15 pages of the BBC text commentary in glorious full colour later...

  60. 17:05: 
    Eng 281-8 (Kumar 20-7-50-3)

    This new ball is definitely hooping around, the recalled Mohammed Shami get movement this way and that to Root. How does the youngster play this situation? There's probably no need to protect Plunkett, but before the Broad wicket we saw that even Root was peppering the boundary. Shami erratic, with a wide the only run from the over.

    Geoffrey Boycott, Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "Root is like a cat on a hot tin roof. He plays some beautiful shots off his legs but other than that he's a little bit unsure outside off stump."

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  62. 17:01: 
    APPEAL - NOT OUT- Eng 280-8

    Broad had a few words as he left, I'm not sure if they were for the umpire or the Indians. When the finger went up, I instantly thought of the DRS knives sharpening and of Broad's non-walking against the Aussies last summer. Neither are relevant because this decision was correct. The crowd still boos, though, even when new man Liam Plunkett is hit on the pads and given not out.

    Graeme Swann, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "Plunkett can bat; he's a genuine all rounder these days. He has not had the best game with the ball - as the enforcer on this pitch he must have cried himself to sleep. But if he can support Joe Root and get 30-odd himself it is really going to help England get parity."

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  64. 16:56: 
    WICKET- Broad lbw Kumar 47 (Eng 280-8)

    Gone! The Stuart Broad show is over. A very good delivery from Bhuvneshwar Kumar swings back and pins the left-hander in front. Up goes the finger of Kumar Dharmasena and Broad is instantly unhappy, his reaction the signal for the crowd to boo the decision. But, both Broad and the TB faithful are wrong. It has pitched in line and would have hit leg stump.


    India's Bhuvneshwar Kumar
    Graeme Swann, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "Stuart Broad's batting is never dull - if you take his 74-ball nought in Auckland out of the equation when he was trying to save the game."

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  66. 16:53: 
    Eng 279-7 (Broad 47 from 41 balls)

    If you take the bouncer out of the equation, Stuart Broad is dangerous customer. Deciding to give the beans to anything in his half, he again drives, this time taking Ishant for a ride. Ishant counters by going short, which is a dot, but there's not enough pace to put the wind up the leftie. Highlight-reel stuff now from Broad, yet another flourish through the covers. How can India remove him? Here's how. A Broad drive hits the non-striker's stumps, but by now Broad has set off. Broad turns, he should be miles out, but Virat Kohli's throw is wide. A definite chance.

  67. 16:49: 
    Scorecard update

    England: 271-7 (83 overs)

    Batsmen: Root 39*, Broad 39*

    Fall of wickets: 9-1 (Cook 5) 134-2 (Robson 59) 154-3 (Ballance 71), 172-4 (Bell 25), 197-5 (Moeen 14), 202-6 (Prior 5), 202-7 (Stokes 0)

    Bowling figures: Kumar 19-7-49-2, Shami 19-3-79-2, Ishant 23-3-92-3, Jadeja 17-4-27-0, Binny 5-0-21-0

    First innings: India 457 after winning toss


  68. 16:43: 
    New ball taken- Eng 271-7

    No more delays. Fourth ump Rob Bailey wanders on with the new ball, which finds its way in to the hands of Bhuvneshwar Kumar. Around the wicket, wide, Stuart Broad throwing his hands through the ball to earn the boundary that sees England avoid the follow-on. Three slips, but Broad has clearly decided that this new nut has to go. Pitched up, send back over mid off. Crowd awakening to the exploits of the home-town boy, with Root getting on the act with a lovely skip and drive through the covers. Good stuff.

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    Mike in Greece: Why is everybody blaming Cook? He surely hasn't told two batsmen to go out there and play reckless shots, nor has he been coaching the umpires in how to make appalling decisions. It isn't Cook's fault!

  70. 16:42: 
    Eng 257-7 (200 behind)

    Alastair Cook is animated on the England balcony, chatty, hands, smiling. Matt Prior, maybe still smarting at his dismissal, maybe bored of what his skipper has to say, has his chin on his hands, non-plussed. A Root edge for three and a Broad drive for a single take England to within one of avoiding the follow-on.

    Graeme Swann, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "If England avoid the follow-on that should be game safe - should be. If you have not been stuck back in with two two days left it should be game safe. Geoffrey doesn't agree in the background, he has just hit me with his briefcase."

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  72. 16:37: 
    New ball available- Eng 251-7

    No new ball yet, the flashy Jadeja still creeping in to be milked for singles. Dhoni, helmet covering his greying stubble, thinks about his options. Old ball remains, the red cherry still up the skipper's sleeve.

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    Ollie in Sheffield: We are only two-and-a-half days into a five-match series, so it's far too early to be panicking. Did anybody really think that this series would be totally plain sailing? I fully believe that over five matches England will prove themselves to be the better team, with Cook grinding back to some forms. Stay positive for the team.

  74. 16:34: 
    Eng 249-7 (208 behind)

    There's the slight sound of a song coming from the stands, some patrons are obviously getting lubricated enough to sing. On the other hand, some revellers are quite flat. One man dressed as a horse looks particularly fed up. I wouldn't have thought it's possible to be miserable whilst wearing a horse outfit. Ishant has switched ends with Broad still swinging like a rusty gate. Four through midwicket, then a thick edge to the boundary. When Root whips through the leg side, the follow-on mark is in sight.

    Rahul Dravid, Ex-India captain on Test Match Special

    "Interesting to see if Dhoni does take the new ball. He has shown a reluctance in the past if the ball is swinging a bit."

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  76. 16:29: 
    Eng 236-7 (Root 26, Broad 18)

    Ishant withdrawn, replaced by the spin of Ravi Jadeja. How does that affect the new-ball plan? Jadeja, now with his shades on, walks in towards the pitch that is suddenly far from being the talking point. No hint of turn, the ball almost scuttling on to defeat Root. One over until the new nut is available.

    Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "I think this is the right approach - he plays better when he goes for his strokes. An hour of Stuart Broad and you get closer to that India total. I love watching Broad bat - he is going to try and hit fours."

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  78. 16:25: 
    Eng 235-7 (222 behind)

    Broad and Root conference, with Root removing his helmet to reveal stubble we were unsure he was capable of growing. Was Root offering advice on how to play the rozzer delivered from around the wicket? Three times Shami does for Broad, the second of which is edged short of wicketkeeper Dhoni. When Shami drops short, Broad takes him square for four.

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    Jack Blackburn: Frankly, at this stage, it would be better if we failed to avoid the follow-on and gave the bowlers some more much needed rest.

    Marc Gilfoyle: Would India enforce the follow on if they got the chance? Maybe get Cook again tonight or stick on a huge target.

  80. 16:19: 
    Eng 229-7 (77 overs)

    Ah, Graeme Swann keeping with our cricketers as rock stars theme there. Plenty of chat about the new ball, which is available in three overs' time. This ball, which came out after 54 overs, has done plenty, mainly conventional swing through the air. Joe Root whips it off his toes to take Sharma through midwicket, while a touch of fortune takes an inside edge to fine leg.

    Sam Sheringham, BBC Sport at Trent Bridge

    "I'm told there was some minor heckling of the umpires as they walked in for tea. Hardly football fan abuse, more polite enquiries as to whether they might have mislaid their spectacles. Meanwhile, spinner-come-singer Graeme Swann has been cheering up England fans by belting out three numbers with his band outside the Trent Bridge Inn. His rendition of Sit Down by James draw a huge crowd and a riotous response."

  82. 16:14: 
    Eng 221-7 (Root 18, Broad 12)

    England collapses, once thought to be extinct, are now back. A bit like beards. How do you deal with them? Do you switch off, or are you determined to ride it out, like a horror film or a trip to the dentist? Is it a badge of honour to witness it all? Broad is shooting for the hip, quite literally, flat-batting a pull off Shami down the ground for four.

    Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "It's like a disease in the dressing room. Once you lose one you get a sense 'oh not again.' It's horrible to try and stop and it happens so consistently to England."

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  84. 16:11: 
    Eng 215-7 (242 behind)

    Ishant Sharma, the triple-wicket mullet man, to take up the attack as clouds once again cover the sunshine. Broad forced on to the pull once more, with Root then leaving outside off stump. The Trent Bridge crowd is yet to invest in this day, possibly stunned into silence by what they witnessed this afternoon. There's a few chaps sporting sombreros and ponchos, a Mexican theme. Ariba!

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    Adi: DRS moaners: have you already forgotten the Ashes last year?! DRS is sufficiently inadequate for India to refuse it.

  86. 16:05: 
    APPEAL - NOT OUT- Eng 214-7

    Mohammed Shami after tea, under the first universally blue sky of the day. The field is set for Broad to be peppered and tall left-hander knows it, pulling for four, then one. When Root gets stuck on the crease, India appeal, but that's going down the leg side. The Yorkshireman, all skips and arm pumps, is willing himself on to the front foot, not always with success.

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    Steve: We are approaching the stage where Cook needs to do a Botham 81 and fall on his sword mid series for his, and the teams sake. Both are listless, devoid of inspiration and lacking character. A change is badly required.

  88. 16:02: 
    Eng 205-7

    Thanks, JL. I think. To reiterate, England lost six wickets for 74 runs in that middle session. You feel that, in those calamitous two hours, England have lost this match. At least, it surely now cannot be won. The players are back, Joe Root and Stuart Broad the latest lemmings towards the cliff.

  89. 15:57: 

    A very fair question Clive. A touch of both perhaps? Can we point to Stuart Broad's Test best of 169 against Pakistan at Lord's in 2010? Oh no, we had better not mention that match. Let's hand this hot potato back to Stephan Shemilt, who will guide you in avuncular fashion through whatever may transpire in this final session of the day.

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    Clive Wells: So, is it now time to admit England are one of the weakest current Test sides or are they still just unfortunate victims of outrageous umpiring decisions and very bad luck?

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    Rohin Maini: Let's be fair, Robson didn't look like he hit it and Prior hit his pad, hence the noise. Vijay was clearly not out yesterday.

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    James in Woolwich: I always look back fondly on things that occurred in the 1990s - Britpop, The Word, Chaka Demus and Pliers - but I really hoped we'd left the middle-order batting collapse behind us.

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    Dave in Steeton: Weren't there a lot of press headlines yesterday about this being a dead, "no result" pitch? As the Notts CEO said, at least wait a couple of days to judge. Wise words!

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    Vonda Pitts: Is there a greater institution in English sport than the post-lunch batting collapse?

    Tea scorecard

    England: 205-7 (73 overs)

    Follow-on target: 248

    Batsmen: Root 13*, Broad 1*

    Fall of wickets: 9-1 (Cook 5) 134-2 (Robson 59) 154-3 (Ballance 71), 172-4 (Bell 25), 197-5 (Moeen 14), 202-6 (Prior 5), 202-7 (Stokes 0)

    Bowling figures: Kumar 18-7-35-2, Shami 16-3-58-2, Ishant 19-3-64-3, Jadeja 15-4-24-0, Binny 5-0-21-0

    First innings: India 457 after winning toss


    England's Moeen Ali
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    Hamez Stride: Oh England you really are dreadful. This wicket is so easy to bat on but we are still gonna get all out for our standard 250.

    Jay: Dhoni's appeal for Prior's 'catch' was the cricketing equivalent of a 'dive'. No way Dhoni didn't know that didn't hit anything.

    Edward DeCesare: What's the point of even playing a team that doesn't allow DRS? Why don't teams just refuse to play India?

  97. 15:42: 
    Tea- Eng 205-7 (252 behind)

    And that over is bowled by the dangerman Ishant. How many bowlers get taken off after two wickets in an over? It nearly proves an inspired decision by Dhoni as a short ball manages to rear up from the docile surface towards the throat of the 6ft 6in Broad and is fended awkwardly away, looping just short of the onrushing slip cordon. England have lost 6-74 in that 25-over session and have plenty to think about over the Earl Grey in this 20-minute break.

    Sam Sheringham, BBC Sport at Trent Bridge

    "Remember that stat at the start of the match about England's team featuring a record-equalling nine Test centurions? Well, they are down to the last two of them now. Jonathan Agnew compared the ovation Stuart Broad received to ones usually reserved for Garry Sobers, and Broad will need to bat like the great West Indian if England are to get out of this one on the ground where he was at the heart of that walking furore in the Ashes last year."

  99. 15:36: 
    Eng 204-7 (Root 13, Broad 0)

    Root restores order with a calm clip off the pads for two off Shami. The runs required to avoid the follow-on graphic tells its own story. Earlier there were murmurings of posting 600 and putting pressure on India. A reflective Peter Moores in dark glasses on the balcony. There are 54 needed to avoid the follow-on. Time for one more over before the sanctuary of the tea interval.

    Jonathan Agnew, BBC Test Match Special

    "Stokes has reached at one he shouldn't be playing at. England are falling apart. There's no doubt, he's definitely nicked it. Someone has to stand up to prevent India taking a very big lead. It's a familiar tale. From a comfortable position, they have lost a clatter of wickets."

  101. 15:29: 
    WICKET- Stokes c Dhoni b Kumar 0 (Eng 202-7)

    No doubt about this one, though. A Stokes prod, an edge, a catch. Dhoni standing back this time. England are 255 behind with only three wickets intact. You knew it wasn't going to be a draw didn't you? Stuart Broad has had to put his Harold Larwood book down in a hurry and make his way to the centre. Replays of the Prior dismissal again. He was so far away from edging it. DRS discussions are going to dominate.


    England's Ben Stokes
    Jonathan Agnew, BBC Test Match Special

    "Prior doesn't think he's hit that. Looking at the replay, he's miles from it. Looking at his body language, you can see how unfortunate it is. England do bat a long way down, but they are making a mess of this. It just goes to show what that scoreboard pressure can do when you reply to a big score."

    England's Matt Prior
  103. 15:26: 
    WICKET- Prior c Dhoni b Kumar 5 (Eng 202-6)

    But would you believe it? Prior certainly can't. He had got off the mark with a delightful cover drive for four but he has been given out caught behind, with Dhoni up at the stumps. There is absolutely no evidence of a nick. This is going to be huge.


    Matt Prior is caught behind for five
    Phil Tufnell, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "He might not have picked that up. England are in a pickle. It wasn't a blistering delivery, but he took his eye off the ball very quickly."

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  105. 15:20: 
    WICKET- Moeen c Dhawan b Shami 14 (Eng 197-5)

    Extraordinary dismissal. Moeen did not see this short delivery well and almost ducked into it, the ball did not get up as much as he thought it would - another condemnation for the pitch - flicked off the glove and flew to first slip where Shikhar Dhawan took a neat catch to his right. Matt Prior the new batsman.


    Moeen Ali
  106. 15:18: 
    Eng 197-4

    Jadeja is introduced which is good news for the over-rate if not for the text commentators. Root, playing a nice foil to the free flowing Moeen, collects two with a tickle to square leg for two.

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    rockbadger: Cook should be the sound engineer in your cricketing band. One two, one two.

  108. 15:15: 
    Eng 195-4 (Root 9, Moeen 14)

    This is hardly a vintage England middle order for aesthetic appeal, which admittedly is not what counts, but for the fancy dans amongst us does have a significance. Gower, Lamb, Gatting and Botham for me. Moeen is certainly a welcome addition and plays two delightful drives through the covers to the boundary off Shami, holding the pose for the latter one for inclusion in the coaching manuals.

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    Leonard Odicean: A bat signed by this England team would fetch less at auction than a rolling pin signed by my wife.

  110. 15:11: 
    APPEAL - NOT OUT- Eng 187-4 (Root 9, Moeen 6)

    The last time England reached 600 was against India at Edgbaston three years ago when they made 710-7 declared, their third highest Test total. A certain A Cook made 294 in that innings. Those were the days. There is an appeal as Root comes down the wicket and plays across the line to Kumar but replays suggest it is sliding down the leg side to vindicate umpire Dharmasena's not out decision.

  111. 15:07: 
    Eng 187-4 (Shami 1-47 from 13)

    Michael Vaughan's hopes of an England 600 look a little distant at present. The follow-on target of 258 is perhaps more realistic. Moeen knows how to stick around, though, as we saw so memorably at Headingley, and he is content to play out Shami for a maiden in assured fashion.

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    Tom Rhodes: Re cricketing rock band: Ishant Sharma's resemblance to George Harrison means he's a shoe in on Sitar when they go experimental.

  113. 15:04: 
    Eng 187-4 (Root 9, Moeen 6)

    Whether it was Aggers likening him to an "Afghan hound" or Graeme Swann saying he was "not a classically handsome man" on TMS, something fired Ishant up and he has put England firmly on the back foot here. He took 3-14 in 32 balls. Kumar continues to Moeen with two slips and that en vogue man almost on the edge of the strip at short mid-on. There is a comedic misfield at short cover, a routine defensive shot trickling through the bows to allow a single and the inevitable jeer from the crowd.

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    Alex Crawford: Surely Mark Butcher would be the guitarist. Doesn't he have an album?

    Alex in Leeds: I feel there would have to be space for Tuffers in a Bez-style role in this cricketing rock band.

  115. 14:59: 
    Eng 186-4 (271 behind)

    Thanks Stephan. I would have thought Ryan Sidebottom would be a contender for drums in this cricketing rock band, in the mould of the great Animal from the Muppet Show. Muppet tends to be used in a rather derogatory sense these days, so we'll leave that one there in the middle of a rather sorry session for England. The end of Sharma's seven-over spell which yielded three wickets. He is replaced by number 11 extraordinaire Shami and Root gets an edge fortuitously between second slip and gully for four.

  116. 14:55: 
    Eng 180-4 (Root 3, Moeen 5)

    India will be happy with what they are getting from this ball - Kumar has it hooping away from Moeen - but it's also worth remembering that a second new ball is due in 17 overs' time, so at some point soon after tea. Kumar comes around the wicket to Moeen, another leftie who gets so far across that he exposes leg stump. A maiden takes you to the capable hands of Jamie Lillywhite.

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    Ben Coleridge Cole: Every time I stop listening to TMS to take a work call or something we lose a wicket. Out of office going on!

    England's Ian Bell
  118. 14:51: 
    Eng 180-4 (277 behind)

    Ishant, mullet flapping like the shirt that is untucked from his trousers, continues to bound in, overpitching to Moeen, who plays the sort of off drive that featured so prominently in his Headingley hundred. With the sun shining strongly enough to cast shadows for the first time today, Ishant gets back on the money to defeat Root with a jaffa.

    Sam Sheringham, BBC Sport at Trent Bridge

    "Has anyone chirped up with the 'Ishant Sharma's gonna get you gag' yet? In an inspired spell from the Pavilion End, the mulleted quick has now taken three wickets for 21 runs in 35 balls. 'How many more do England need to avoid the follow-on?' a fellow hack in the Trent Bridge press box inquires."

  120. 14:48: 
    Eng 174-4

    Undoubtedly, India have an opening, a gap in the warehouse door. Even under cloudy skies, batting looked straightforward this morning, but now the ball is dangerous. Nipping, spitting, wobbling. "When was it changed?" is the question to my left. Seven overs ago I believe. Kumar maintains the pressure, one from it.

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    Bibhash Dash: Cricketing Band. Rebel: KP; Songwriter: Kallis; Gets the girls: Kohli; See drum beat drum: Sehwag.

    Sam: Surely KP would be the guitarist? Flashy, bit of a show off but ultimately annoyingly talented.

  122. 14:43: 
    Eng 173-4 (Ishant 17-3-57-3)

    Looking again, that Ishant delivery was actually very wide. Bell was looking for his beloved late cut, but then changed his mind when the ball kicked. Fatal. Toe of the bat, through to Dhoni. Moeen Ali, he of the impressive maiden ton at Headingley, is the new man, arriving with England in the soup. In case you're worried, there's 85 needed to avoid the follow-on.

    Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "We are just witnessing a fine, fine spell. Sharma is changing the course of the Test match, getting the ball to move either way, bowling aggressive lengths."

    India's Ishant Sharma
  124. 14:38: 
    WICKET- Bell c Dhoni b Ishant 25 (Eng 172-4)

    Where's that collapse siren? A trio of wickets after lunch is complete. Bad decision, good ball and now a bad shot. Ian Bell, looking so fluent, is the latest man to go to an inspired Ishant Sharma, playing a woeful half-leave, half-cut outside the off stump. Bell thinks about playing, changed his mind, but by then it was too late. Extra bounce and feather through to MS Dhoni. Bell screams a profanity, probably echoed in the England dressing room. England have lost three wickets for 38 runs.


    England's Ian Bell falls for 25
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    Akhilesh Patel: Re cricketing rock bands: Curtly "talk to no man" Ambrose on bass, Ian "bonzo heals" Healy on drums, Jeff "whirlwind" Thompson on Lead guitar, Merv "motormouth" Hughes as vocalist, Rahul "the wall" Dravid on keyboards.

  126. 14:33: 
    Eng 166-3 (291 behind)

    There's a hint of sunshine glinting off the white pavilion which Kumar scurries towards. Bell, calm start so far, waits for width and pulls out the trademark late cut which Australia felt the wrath of on this ground 12 months ago. When Kumar reverts to inswing, Bell twice goes through the leg side for four, once straight, once fine.

  127. 14:29: 
    Scorecard update

    England 154-3 (58 overs)

    Bell 9*, Root 0*

    Fall of wickets: 9-1 (Cook 5) 134-2 (Robson 59) 154-3 (Ballance 71)

    Bowling figures: Kumar 12-5-17-0, Shami 11-2-41-1, Ishant 16-3-50-2, Jadeja 14-4-22-0, Binny 5-0-21-0

    First innings: India 457 after winning toss


    England's Sam Robson
  128. 14:28: 
    Eng 154-3 (Bell 9, Root 0)

    Such is my commitment to live text that, at a Pixies gig last night, I began to think of a cricketing rock band. The lead singer must be a showman with a touch of genius. Maybe to polarise opinion, maybe not even liked by his own band. Kevin Pietersen? The drummer is the engine room, keeping the beat going. A wicketkeeper? What about a songwriter - a creative mastermind? Mike Brearley? Anyway, Ishant continues this excellent spell, examining Joe Root, who is not convincing in defence. Slow to come forward, Root has to watch his pads too.

    Sam Sheringham, BBC Sport at Trent Bridge

    "In an uncanny piece of juxtaposition, for the duration of the Test Match Special lunchtime chat on spinners, Simon Kerrigan was out in the middle bowling at a set of plastic stumps. The word on the street is that the England coaching staff are desperate to get the Lancashire left-arm spinner back in the team. Kerrigan, remember, is the bowler who was ruthlesslesly torn apart by the Australians at The Oval last year. How exactly bowling at an imaginary batsman while most of the spectators are queueing for burger and beers will prepare him for taking on the Indians I'm not sure."

  130. 14:24: 
    Eng 154-3 (303 bheind)

    With the wicket, Ravi Jadeja is pulled from the attack in favour of the slippery Bhuvneshawar Kumar. Outswing at a gentle pace, Ian Bell getting out of his crease to nulify the shape. That draws MS Dhoni up to the stumps, will Bell playing and missing, This changed ball is doing a little under a sky that is starting to brighten.

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    Stuart Mitchell: Ian Bell, today is not the day for yet another aesthetically pleasing 30. Dig in, please!

    Robert Bownes: Ahhh the afternoon batting collapse begins...you can set your watch by it...along with the evening batting collapse.

  132. 14:19: 
    Eng 154-3 (Ishant 15-2-50-2)

    From early this morning we identified Ishant as India's most potent threat and he is getting the ball to dart about of the seam. That ball from Ballance came back some way and would have hit the top of the stumps. One bad decision, one very good ball and England have lost two quick ones, 300 behind with seven wickets in hand. Joe Root the new man, greeted by one that seams back to hit him on the pads.

    Graeme Swann, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "He's done a lot of the hard work, when you've got your score you think about a hundred. Sharma has bowled very well at him though. A well made 71 but he will feel like he has missed out on a hundred."

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  134. 14:14: 
    WICKET- Ballance lbw Sharma 71 (Eng 154-3)

    No debate about this one, it's an absolutely beauty from Ishant Sharma. Gary Ballance looks tough as old boots, but you do wonder how vulnerable he is to the ball nipping back in to his pads. It's exactly what Ishant has done here. Pitching, straightening, hitting in front of middle and off. Plumb. From coasting, England are in trouble.


    India's Ishant Sharma
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    Nick Tyrone: England's only hope is to get Monty physically and mentally up to scratch. He's our only quality spinner at present.

    Ian Cooper: How about ECB give Monty some support in getting himself right. He's far and away our best spinner.

  136. 14:13: 
    Eng 150-2 (Ballance 67, Bell 9)

    Rob Bailey, a giant of a fourth umpire, jogs out with a box of balls. Rather unscientifically, umpires Oxenford and Dharmasena reach in and select one they think is similar to the 54-over old nut we're dealing with. Jadeja, changed ball in hand, drops short to allow Bell a back-foot force through the covers for four.

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    Ket: People have such short memories, after the two Ashes series there were numerous dodgy decisions made using the DRS system and it should have been reviewed then. Nothing was done then to fix the problems with the system therefore the Indians will continue to refuse the use of it.

  138. 14:09: 
    Eng 146-2 (311 behind)

    Yep, all of a sudden it looks a different proposition for the batsmen. Ishant gets one to lift at Ballance, an edge flying in the area of where a non-existent gully would have been standing. Post-lunch activity in the stands, patrons returning from their interval with newspapers, shop-bought souvenirs and alcoholic beverages. On the pitch, the umpires inspect the ball, poking it through one of Pat Butcher's ear rings to see if it is still in shape.

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    Ollie in London: So, it's a Test series in our country and yet we are being held to ransom by India over DRS? Spineless. Is that a recurring theme through England cricket at the moment?

    Stuart Blake, Hereford: The standard of umpiring is much worse because of their reliance on DRS. Poor really.

  140. 14:02: 
    Eng 142-2 (Ballance 63, Bell 5)

    That Robson wicket shows how important it is for batsmen to cash in if they get in on this wicket. You're only one bit of bad luck or a bad decision from being sent back to the pavilion. England are still more than 300 runs behind. Another wicket or two here and India will be right on top. Jadeja to Ballance, one taken to midwicket.

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    Matthew Allatt: The only way the BCCI are going to agree to use DRS is if India are on the wrong end of a number of bad decisions in a match.

    Stephen Clarke: India's refusal to use DRS will be a talking point now, and quite rightly. Rules should be set and enforced internationally.

    Earl of Squiffton: Indian objection to DRS is absurd. Umpires need all the help they can get and not having it encourages excessive appeals.

    India's Ishant Sharma
  142. 14:00: 
    Eng 141-2 (316 behind)

    Ishant Sharma, on the back of that Robson wicket, is testing newcomer Bell on a straight line with two men waiting on the square on the leg side. Good length, Bell straight in defence. Repeat.

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    Thomas Knights: This Test match is becoming a very good advert for DRS.

    Alex Hardy: That's abysmal umpiring it really is. No DRS is one thing, but the sound of ball on bat is unmistakable. Really very poor.

  144. 13:52: 
    Eng 139-2 (Ishant 12-2-40-1)

    The thing with DRS is that umpires are always likely to make a mistake, everyone does. Without DRS, the mistakes can't be rectified. Ishant just got that ball to nip back off the seam. Robson's edge was tough to detect, but Hot Spot says it was there. Ian Bell the new man, off the mark with a pull for four, then defending a Jadeja maiden.

    Geoffrey Boycott, Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "He got an inside edge but from up here you couldn't see any deviation. But we don't have any reviews because the Indian board don't like it. India rule the roost. If everyone else is using DRS it's ridiculous. I thought we were all countries together to help cricket."

  146. 13:46: 
    WICKET- Robson lbw Ishant 59 (Eng 134-2)

    I can hear the rumble of the DRS debate starting. Sam Robson is gone, but there's plenty of doubt over the decision. Ishant Sharma, impressive this morning, gets one to angle in, clattering Robson's pads. Up goes the finger of Bruce Oxenford and Robson immediately looks disappointed. He's right to. Replays instantly show an inside edge. Still, the scorebook says Robson is out and India have a breakthrough.


    India's Ishant Sharma
    Geoffrey Boycott, Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "Except for the rough outside the left-hander's off-stump, I don't see where you are going to get a great delivery from that bowls the batsman out. It's a case of plugging away and hoping they make an error."

  148. 13:43: 
    Eng 133-1 (326 behind)

    Hmmm, loose shot right away from Ballance, aiming a drive at one tossed up. Edge? The ball doesn't stick in Dhoni's camouflage gloves, so it's academic. Replays suggest bat on ground. A punch through the covers brings Ballance a couple.

    Geoffrey Boycott, Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "It's been a good morning, it's probably going to be a good afternoon, a good evening and a good morning tomorrow while they keep batting. If I was seven or eight I would be worried I wasn't going to get a knock for a long time."

  150. 13:41: 
    Eng 131-1

    Speaking of spin, it's Ravi Jadeja after lunch. Four catchers for Gary Ballance. Let's play.

    Vic Marks, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "If you've got 500 on the board and they are three down they are not going to come running at you. I don't know who they are going to bring in, Moeen gets in the team because he is such a good batsmen. I don't really think they are that keen to get Kerrigan back in the team, even though he is here. Riley is going to Lord's I am told. The inexperienced bowlers can't be relied on to bowl those overs that need to be bowled in the first innings, the likes of Borthwick and Rashid."

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    Jason Blanden: Has Adil Rashid had his day a spinner who bats not the other way around?

    Jimmy B Good: Loved bowling spin as a boy, but there was no coaching of spin at the club or school. Tough to learn when no help available.

    The Merchant: Young spinners at club level without the confidence of captain and teammates are never going to develop.

  153. 13:38: 

    Good debate that, one I'm quite keen on. It will be very interesting to see how England will work a spinner in to to this side. It would seem that one of Moeen Ali, Ben Stokes or Liam Plunkett would have to make way. Very tough decision to make. Back on the pitch, the umpires are the first of 15 men down the pavilion stairs.

    Graeme Swann, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match SpecialWhere are England's spinners?

    "The important thing for me when I was bowling was deep fielders. This attitude of 'let them have a go' is nonsense. When captains get stick for deep fielders, that was my decision. I don't want the batsmen hitting boundaries."

    Phil Tufnell, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "I was lucky. I had Mike Gatting as captain, who saw spinners as a way of winning games. I could bowl all day."

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    Vic Marks, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "What a spinner hates being is a bowler of last resort. They have gone through the four seamers, then 'oh, you come and have a bowl'. I used to sing to myself 'I'm an over-rate bowler and I'm alright'. You mustn't be a bowler as a last resort - there is no reason why a spinner shouldn't bowl at the start of the day."

    Phil Tufnell, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "To be a spin bowler, you've got to have a bit of a brain as well. You've got to be able to out-think a batsman - you've got to work him out. You've got feel lots of different things, which comes back to experience."

    Former England spinner Phil Tufnell
    Where are England's spinners?

    England lead spin bowling coach Peter Such on Graeme Swann's role with England: "Graeme is a magnificent bowler and he as a wealth of knowledge. We're trying to put Graeme in touch with some young bowlers, so there's a wealth of information he can pass on over a cup of coffee - a friendly mentoring capacity."

    Vic Marks, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "It's a ridiculous proposition to say we have to create our Shane Warne, who was probably the best spinner that ever lived. The most prolific England leg spinner since the War is Bob Barber who opened the batting alongside Boycs in the 60s. I think it's wishful thinking to say we are going to produce a Shane Warne. The chances of that happening are miniscule."

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    Graeme Swann, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match SpecialWhere are England's spinners?

    "I tried bowling a doosra. I asked Younus Khan. I asked how to bowl it without bending the elbow, but he was blase about it. It really hurt my arm."

    Vic Marks, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "I signed for Somerset as a batsman - don't look so surprised! - I realised I had a better chance of getting in the team if I could bowl. I bowled spin quite late, I had a weak arm so I couldn't bowl anything else. I watch Illy [Ray Illingworth] as a kid on the telly but my main role model was Garry Sobers.

    "You can learn to be a good spinner, you can't learn to be a good fast bowler. You can make yourself into a good spinner by doing those basics right, you don't need those physical attributes."

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    Phil Tufnell, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "I started as seam bowler. It's very difficult for a young kid to start as a spinner, walking slowly and flighting it. Naturally you want to run up and hurl it down. I moved into bowling spin by being shown how to do it, with virtually the same action."

    Vic Marks, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match SpecialWhere are England's spinners?

    "The two best spinners England have had have both come from Northampton where it was dry and it turned for Monty and for Graeme. If you play on a turning pitch you're going to get overs and you're not going to be frightened by the pressure of bowling on a spinning pitch."

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    Graeme Swann, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "I can't believe out of 18 counties, no one has gone for the spinning options. They all do the same, medium pace. Why doesn't someone leave their wickets dry, play two or three spinners? One year we did that at Northants and walked the Second Division."

    Where are England's spinners?

    England lead spin bowling coach Peter Such: "We like to get young spin bowlers down to Test preparation days so they can experience the atmosphere, bowl at the England players in the nets, and get them under the eyes of the England coaching team.

    "Spin bowlers in England take a bit longer to develop. Normally they get to their peak at about 28. These guys have still got time to develop. It's very important to have a captain who understands spin bowlers."

    Graeme Swann, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match SpecialWhere are England's spinners?

    "It is such a lonely position that you have got to grow into it, understand it, and learn your role. Day one I would wake up without a care in the world. Day four I would wake up feeling electrified. Young spinners are not ready for that pressure."

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    Former England spinner Graeme Swann
    Vic Marks, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "If you're a young fast bowler and you bowl 90mph you will get respect, if you're a young spinner the batsmen are going to go at you. They were always going to go at Kerrigan and he struggled to cope. It's having the experience to react when they're out to get you."

    Phil Tufnell, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match SpecialWhere are England's spinners?

    "It doesn't just happen overnight, becoming a decent spin bowler. You do have to have done your apprenticeship. That means club cricket second XI and getting used to that role in the side."

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    Where are England's spinners?

    More from Peter Such: "Simon Kerrigan (below) has made some improvements to his game and we're looking to build him back up to a stage where he can perform in the future.

    "Adam Riley is tall, he gets good shape on the ball. He's learning, he's developing and he will be a talented spin bowler moving forward.

    "Scott Borthwick is a very fine all-round cricketer - he bats, he bowls, he fields. He has had injuries this year. He just needs to play, to bowl and to develop. Leg-spin is the most difficult art to master but I'm sure he'll get there.

    "Moeen Ali is a very talented off-spin bowler. He gets a lot on the ball, he spins it hard. The more he bowls, the better he'll get and he'll get a better understand of his own game."

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    Simon Kerrigan
    Where are England's spinners?

    Peter Such, former England spinner and ECB national lead spin bowling coach: "We have a shortage of spin bowlers. We have a number in the county game but not enough. It is a shallow pond.

    "We've very, very fortunate to have someone of the qualify of Graeme Swann out there. Sadly, now he has retired, we're looking around for the next one."

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    Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "One thing for sure we won't see the same seam attacks throughout the series. No question England will make a change next week."

  172. 13:07:  
    BBC Radio Test Match Special

    Stay tuned to TMS during the lunch break, where Graeme Swann, Phil Tufnell and Vic Marks will be wondering where England's next spinner will come from. We'll also hear from ECB spin bowling coach Peter Such.

    Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "It's a road all right but England are making full use of it. Get yourselves in, that's what they'll have to do again after lunch but as the session continued they started to put pressure on the bowlers. India will know they are in for a long haul. Jadeja looks like he's going to be plugged in all day, pretty much. The startling non selection of Ashwin is starting to look a poor one."

  174. 13:05: 

    So very definitely England's morning, 87 runs added without loss. There was one alarm, Robson being dropped by Kohli off Jadeja on 43, but, apart from that, batting has looked simple despite the clouds overhead. There's still plenty to do, though. Merely drawing level with India could leave England susceptible on the final day.

  175. 13:03: 
    Lunch scorecard

    England 131-1 (48 overs)

    Robson 59*, Ballance 59*

    Fall of wickets: 9-1 (Cook 5)

    Bowling figures: Kumar 11-4-17-0, Shami 11-2-41-1, Ishant 11-2-34-0, Jadeja 9-3-13-0, Binny 1-0-1-0

    First innings: India 457 after winning toss


    Gary Ballance and Sam Robson
    Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "If England can bat for two days there is every possibility they can put India under pressure on day five, even if it's only for 80 overs. If they can get 600, on a very dry surface things could happen."

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  177. 13:02: 
    Lunch- Eng 131-1

    Mohammed Shami with the last set before the break, India perhaps hoping some reverse hoop can be found. Nothing really happening, this England first-wicket pair comfortably seeing out the final over a fine morning's work. Sam Robson takes us to the interval with a leg-side boundary, he's on 59, the same score as Gary Ballance. The partnership is 122 and England are 131-1, 326 behind.

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    Freddie: I saw Darren Gough eating alone in Nando's in Waterloo last week. He took his drink with him to the gents which I thought a little unusual.

    Matt in Chelmsford: I saw Steve Finn last year at Thorpe Park queuing for a ride with a maximum height restriction of 196cm. Being 6ft 5 myself we both kept our heads down... Needless to say, we both survived and had a picture afterwards. Nice guy!

  179. 12:58: 
    Eng 123-1 (47 overs)

    Jadeja brings in a fourth close catcher for Ballance, who gets so far across he almost comes a cropper, similar to the way Andrew Strauss was embarrassed by Shane Warne at Edgbaston in 2005. Leaving the ball, it hits his pads and almost bounces down on to the stumps. Deciding that using the bat is a better option, Ballance sweeps for a couple. The end of the 30th over of the morning, which means we're going to get more than the scheduled overs in a session. Who says over-rates are a problem?

    Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "I was speaking to Matt Prior and he says he is nine yards closer to the stumps for Stuart Broad than he would be on a normal wicket."

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  181. 12:54: 
    Eng 121-1 (Robson 52, Ballance 57)

    Stuart Binny (no jokes about rubbish, please) produces a beauty from his slingshot action, angling back in to beat both Gary Ballance's bottom edge and the off stump. Close. For Robson, India aren't even bothering with a slip, just Dhoni up to the stumps. A single from it. Maybe two overs left befor lunch.

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    Alastair Marsh: My daughter's geography teacher is Phil Newport (Worcs and England). I met him at parents' evening and he was very nice. Gave daughter A* end of term grade.

    Mike from Bristol: As a young teenager in the seventies I was laying on the grass behind the boundary rope at Trent Bridge when an English batsmen, can't remember who, hit the ball toward me. I excitedly stood up to field it but hadn't noticed a very large Max Walker pursuing it. In a broad Aussie accent he shouted 'get out the bloody way' as he hurdled over me!

  183. 12:51: 
    Eng 120-1 (partnership 111)

    With the pacers getting little joy, I suspect Ravi Jadeja might have plenty of work to do. He walks to the crease in the pre-lunch gloom with three men around the bat for both Robson and Ballance. No real turn, but he is at least offering some control, darting the ball in for nine overs that have cost only 13 runs. Control is something that Moeen Ali could not offer to England.

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    Andy Brown, London: After day 1 of Lord's Ashes Test went to a garden party next to the ground. Had a few quick drinks and then spotted Andrew Strauss. Wandered over, froze and said "Hi, my name's Andrew as well" ... He smiled and walked off ... Quickly ...

    Chris Tutin: I have lost count of the amount of times I have seen Graeme Swann in Hooters, Nottingham. He's a regular for half price rib Wednesday.

  185. 12:48: 
    50 for Sam Robson- Eng 118-1

    Yep, these two young members of the England top-three are looking the part. Now it's Sam Robson moving to a half-century, following up his maiden ton at Headingley. Just like Ballance, he reaches 50 by cutting Binny for four, a half-century reached in 123 balls. A raise of the bat, a handshake, these lads are no-frills cricketers. It's how many you get, not how you get them.

    England's Sam Robson
    Sam Sheringham, BBC Sport at Trent Bridge

    "I'm sitting with some India fans from Luton in the William Clarke Stand. They are rooting for Stuart Binny, an all-rounder whose brand a swing bowling is apparently tailor-made for these conditions. After Gary Ballance's assault on the new boy I'm building up to asking them whether they stand by their words."

    India fans
  187. 12:45: 
    Eng 113-1 (Robson 46, Ballance 55)

    After Moeen Ali's hundred at Headingley, I half-wondered if Ballance would be the man to make way in this England team if they again opt for a specialist spinner. Now, I have no idea. Presumably Ben Stokes would bat at six, but which batsman would go? If not, would England dare go in with an attack of only Anderson, Broad, another seamer and a spinner? Jadeja to Robson, a single.

    Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "Wonderful from Gary Ballance - he's just got the temperament. He is playing very nicely and this a great opportunity to get his second Test century. He's a run-scorer. That's what he does; he knows how to do it."

  189. 12:41: 
    50 for Gary Ballance- Eng 112-1

    Well played, Gary Ballance, a second Test half-century in his fourth match to go with the maiden hundred he scored at Lord's earlier this summer. He gets there with a cut off Binny, his fourth four in five overs. 123 balls, a knock which began with the task of absorbing pressure both last night and this morning and is now gathering pace. A carbon-copy cut for four also brings up the 100 partnership.

    England's Gary Ballance
    Rahul Dravid, Ex-India captain on Test Match Special

    "There were a few anxious moments yesterday but these two have looked in complete control today."

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  191. 12:37: 
    Eng 103-1 (Robson 44, Ballance 47)

    Ballance's walk-across-and-play-with-the-spin technique against Jadeja reminds me of the way Hashim Amla toyed with Graeme Swann a couple of years ago. The Yorkshire leftie has grown in stature throughout the morning and, in contrast to Robson, seems to have the ability to move through the gears. Two singles from Jadeja's over. Two half-centuries being neared, as is the 100 partnership.

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    Charlie in Northampton: I once met Graeme Swann at Trent Bridge. Well, I say "met" as a very loose term...I shouted to Graeme asking for a picture, he looked at me, making eye contact and just carried on walking. Leaving me without my photo and filling me with disappointment. Thanks Graeme.

    Gareth Cook: Upon leaving Trent Bridge after an ODI Nasser Hussain walked straight out in the road in front of us, as my dad slammed on the anchors he looked right at us, the look of fear in his eyes was similar to when he went out to bat earlier in the day needing a run a ball!

  193. 12:35: 
    Eng 101-1 (partnership 92)

    Ishant, so good for so long, is pulled from the attack after that three-boundary burst from Ballance. On comes the debutant Stuart Binny to bowl his whippy military medium, serving Gary Ballance with the gentlest of half-volleys that is scorched through the covers. I wonder how long India will have to think about that Kohli drop off Robson.

    Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "England have played nicely. It's a beautiful batting wicket. There has been no real movement from any of the India seamers but there is enough there for Jadeja."

  195. 12:31: 
    Robson dropped on 43- Eng 96-1

    This is a tough school, so this is going down as a drop. Sam Robson presents the first chance of the morning, tickling Ravi Jadeja fine to leg slip. It is there where Virat Kohli waits, moving to his left but unable to grab the ball with his hand on the turf. It's a hard chance, but definitely a sniff. Robson let off on 43.

    England's Sam Robson
    Andrew Samson, BBC Test Match Special statistician

    "There were 78 balls between boundaries for Ballance. His career average currently stands at 54."

    England's Gary Ballance
  197. 12:27: 
    Eng 96-1 (Robson 43, Ballance 41)

    Ishant, encouraged by the lbw shout in his previous over, comes around the wicket to Ballance in order to do some leftie pad-hunting. Too straight, shovelled over midwicket for four. I can't remember Ballance finding the fence too much. In fact, that's his first four since the 13th over, some 25 overs ago. Ah, one brings two, with a cut flashing through the feeble effort of the point fielder. Three boundaries in the over? You betcha, timed sweetly through the leg side. The around the wicket experiment has failed.

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    Matt Yates: Once saw Matt Prior in Homebase, he was buying a BBQ and some large BBQ gloves. Couldn't quite come up with a witty line to link them to his keeping gauntlets so left him in peace.

    Paul Stewart: Alex Lees played for the same village cricket club that I used to. He'd cry every time he was dismissed.

  199. 12:23: 
    Eng 84-1 (Robson 43, Ballance 29)

    Robson's inside edge between two leg-side catchers gets him a single off Jadeja, with a wayward throw then allowing Ballance to take a second when only one looked on. It's not riveting, but it's 'proper' Test cricket. This young England pair are doing the necessary.

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    Paul Roebuck: I once turned around at Heathrow airport to see David Boon standing right in front of me. All I could do was exclaim 'Boonie! Legend!' I also sat behind Ian Chappell and Richie Benaud on a flight to Hobart. When we landed, Richie opened the overhead locker and his bag fell out. He caught it and a woman a few rows behind me called out 'Aah... marrrvelous catch, that!'

    Stephen Madden: I once sat next to Monty Panesar on the front row of a cinema in Luton watching Superman Returns. Not surprisingly (given current happenings at Essex) he turned up after the film started.

  201. 12:20: 
    APPEAL - NOT OUT- Eng 80-1

    Ooohhh, this is close. Ishant stalks in to thick-set shuffler Ballance, who, as always, is right across his poles when he's hit on the front pad. Appeal, not out, rightly so as it's pitched a decent distance outside leg. Ballance gets so far across that his back foot is on off stump when he plays the ball. He's also back only inches from his timbers. Good technique? Not sure. Leg before candidate? You'd suspect so.

    India's Ishant Sharma
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    Doug, hard at work in Bath: I remember when I saw Ian Bell and Liam Plunkett in the Gun Barrells pub in Edgbaston in 2006. The pub was rammed full on a Monday evening and these two stood right in the middle of the pub simply waiting for people to recognise them and talk to them. I bribed two of my girl mates to go up to Belly and say "I think you're amazing, I saw you in the Ashes series recently......" whilst the other one then said immediately after "you're Jimmy Anderson and Andrew Flintoff right?" They left immediately.

  203. 12:16: 
    Eng 78-1 (partnership 69)

    These close encounters remind me of the time I asked Richie Benaud for a photograph. He said no. Problem was, we were staying in the same hotel so we had to go inside and wait for the lift together. Awkward. Anyway, back to the cricket, where Gary Ballance pinches a single off Jadeja, giving the spinner his first look at Robson. Forwards and back, Robson inspects the ball in careful defence.

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    Andrew Sloan: My mate Sonny Singh was convinced Matt Prior was the brother in Right said Fred and told him he had all his singles. Not sure Matt knew what to say.

    Paul in Lavenham: I once served petrol to Derek Pringle and Bob Willis in Derek Pringle's Citroen 2CV. They were on their way from Edgbaston to Chelmsford. Not too sure how they both got into such as small car.

  205. 12:12: 
    Eng 77-1 (380 behind)

    After those glove-crushing bumpers, Ishant opts for a short leg to Robson, with Che Pujara going under the lid at boot hill. Instead of going short right away, Ishant and his mullet opt for length, drawing Robson forward in to over-balanced defence. Little involvement from the crowd, who are observers rather than participants. The din of a big bird overhead drowns out all cricketing noises.

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    Cicely Dudley: I was once in a bar in Nottingham and saw Stuart Broad come in, and I decided to play it cool and not speak to him. Unfortunately, several drinks later I changed my mind, went barging up to him and then completely froze. He was very sweet, but all I could manage to blurt out was "thank you for the Ashes!" before I span round and ran for it. Mortifying.

  207. 12:07: 
    Eng 77-1 (Robson 42, Ballance 23)

    As the players take on refreshments, India conference and decide that spin is the way forward. Ravi Jadeja, for once without his shades, twirls his left-armers over the wicket to the left-handed Ballance. Way wide of off stump, so wide that all three of Ballance's pegs can be seen when he leans out to defend. Hint of slow turn, touch of bounce. A maiden.

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    Ryan Wood: I met Graeme Swann in Manchester and he ripped into my mate saying he looked like a member of boy-band East 17. Top man!

    Graeme Johnston: I was barman on duty to David Boon when he was 100no overnight in the Headingley Ashes Test. No busier man alive that night.

    Graeme Swann, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "There is such a long time left that a result shouldn't be ruled out yet. There is more than enough time for a mini- collapse, a good spell. I still think there will be a result. I have a sinking feeling."

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    Dave in London: Was once in a restaurant in Colombo and the great Mahela Jayawardene strolled past from a private room with his wife. e caught me staring and gave the slightest of nods in recognition - I was made up, girlfriend didn't care. Was slightly disappointed that he wasn't accompanied by Sangakkarra - assumed they did everything together.

    Rahul Dravid, Ex-India captain on Test Match Special

    "It was a cloudy morning and it looked like there might be some swing but there has been none of that."

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  212. 12:02: 
    DRINKS BREAK- Eng 77-1

    Trent Bridge is slightly becalmed, perhaps waiting for lubrication in order to become more vocal. Ishant stalks in over the lush green in a gloomy light that has hung around for all of the morning. Hello, that's the most vicious bumper I can remember in this match. Short to Robson, seaming back, surprising the Middlesex man to hit him on the gloves in front of his face. Another hostile delivery is called no-ball. Ishant again impressing to take us to drinks.

    England's Sam Robson
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    Mike Craig: Whilst working at my Saturday job in the pro shop of my local Leicestershire golf club during the summer of 1980 (Ithink), who should walk in for a round but David Gower, Mike Brearley and Allan Wells of Olympic sprinting fame. I recall my knees buckled slightly as I sold David Gower a Mars bar.

  214. 11:57: 
    Eng 73-1 (Robson 42, Ballance 20)

    Still Kumar, still with Dhoni up to the stumps for Robson, now with only one wide slip and a man catching on each side. Kumar, targeting Robson with inswing, keeps a full length, with Robson jamming down to play back a maiden.

    India's Bhuvneshwar Kumar
  215. 11:54: 
    Scorecard update

    England 73-1 (30 overs)

    Robson 42*, Ballance 20*

    Fall of wickets: 9-1 (Cook 5)

    Bowling figures: Kumar 10-3-17-0, Shami 10-2-34-1, Ishant 7-1-16-0, Jadeja 2-1-3-0, Binny 1-0-1-0

    First innings: India 457 after winning toss


  216. 11:52: 
    Eng 73-1 (30 overs)

    Robson keeps out an intended yorker first ball to get off strike. Ballance, batting out of his crease but taking a large stride back as Ishant delivers, collects a couple off his hips before seeing out the rest of the over. No drama.

    Graeme Swann, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "These two batsmen both look tidy. They'll have seen there are no real demons in the India attack and this pitch is as flat as an envelope."

    England's Sam Robson
  218. 11:48: 
    Eng 70-1 (387 behind)

    Kumar is one of those bowlers who run up with the ball in his left hand, then passes it to his right shortly before he gets into his delivery stride. Steady - on or around off stump. Robson happy to defend, and takes a leg bye to fine leg following a stifled appeal for lbw to one that shapes back in off the last delivery.

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    Steve Hodgson: I once met Jonny Bairstow, Jack Brooks and Alex Lees in a restaurant very close to Headingley. All thoroughly nice blokes, all trying to chat up the waitress.

    Mark Canterbury: I once saw Monty Panesar come in for breakfast while staying in Loughborough. Was tempted to go speak to him but got put off by the two students who got there first. He looked less than pleased to be posing for photos while his fry up got cold.

  220. 11:44: 
    Eng 69-1 (Robson 41, Ballance 18)

    The first change of the day, Ishant Sharma and his lion-like mane summoned to the attack. Tall, wiry, right-arm pace over the wicket, beating Ballance's leftie grope twice with deliveries that nip away off the seam. England have had few problems this morning, but Ishant has come on and looked like making something happen. Just a no-ball from it. Good start.

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    Greg from Blyth: Re: Cook petrol (11:15) - I bet Cook just walked in, paid and then left. How boring. No imagination with his petrol visit, Ricky Ponting would have taken a detour to the men's top shelf magazines before paying. That's real captaincy.

  222. 11:39: 
    Eng 68-1 (389 behind)

    Now there's noticeable inswing for the tricky Kumar back in to right-hander Robson. With that in mind, India post a man at short midwicket, hoping for a Robson aerial flick in that region. To prevent Robson getting out of his crease, MS Dhoni comes up the stumps and pulls off a very smart leg-side take when Kumar errs. Lovely that, one for the keepers' union.

    Phil Tufnell, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "You don't want any cross-batted shots that might drag on to the stumps. You want to play nice and straight and minimise all your risks early on until you get in. These two are slowly doing that."

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  224. 11:35: 
    Eng 68-1 (partnership 59)

    These youngsters may not be highlight-reel batsmen (though Ballance is capable of fireworks when he gets going) and you could hardly describe them as being aesthetically pleasing, but they have techniques that work them and they both seem to be temperamentally suited to Test cricket. Robson, crouched, shuffles when Shami gets leggy, clipping to the leg-side fence. Despite the overhead grey, it's still very, very good for batting.

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    Ben Hosking: England need a team of Boycotts today, no flashy rubbish just good solid safe slow scoring and absolutely no fun.

    Steven Leung: I think it'll be a closely run victory for England in this first Test. Unless the weather intervenes...

  226. 11:31: 
    Eng 63-1 (Robson 36, Ballance 18)

    Here's an odd sight: a professional sportsman engrossed in a book. On the England balcony, Stuart Broad has his nose in Duncan Hamilton's biography of former Notts and England pacer Harold Larwood, he of Bodyline fame. A few observations here. Is Broad moving his lips as he reads? Also, he's very close to the pages. Eye test? He's so in to it, he needs a couple of grabs at the brew next to him. Either way, after two days' bowling, he deserves to put his feet up. Kumar to Ballance, two runs. No alarms.

    England's Stuart Broad
    Sam Sheringham, BBC Sport at Trent Bridge

    "Under-fire local groundsman Steve Birks said he hoped this pitch would quicken up over the course of the Test but so far today it looks as sluggish as ever, with the ball rarely getting up to waist height. Precious little swing to report yet either. I bumped into Sunil Gavaskar in the hotel lift this morning and he was very scathing about the surface, describing the cricket we'd seen so far as 'pretty ordinary'."

    Trnet Bridge pitch
  228. 11:27: 
    Eng 60-1 (397 behind)

    Now, we said Gary Ballance gets a long way across, and he almost 'does a Cook' when the ball hits his thigh pad and bounces down. Single taken. Robson, waiting for Shami will all the stillness of a Queen's Guardsmen, snaps forward into a perfect cover drive, then whips off his toes through midwicket. Successive boundaries. Robson in good order.

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    keh: I was once in a restaurant in Sydney next to Stuart McGill. My mate turns and says: You look familiar...Did we work together once?

  230. 11:23: 
    Eng 50-1 (Robson 26, Ballance 16)

    Gary Ballance gets a long way across, even exposing leg stump as he defends on the off side to the right-arm over Bhuvneshwar Kumar. When Kumar comes around the wicket, Ballance turns off his hip a first run of the day. Ballance and Robson may get heaps of runs for England for years to come, but they may not provide thrilling viewing. Still, they are doing the job required so far today.

    Phil Tufnell, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "England just have to keep ticking them off. Keep chatting with your mate out there, little building blocks."

  232. 11:19: 
    Eng 49-1 (408 behind)

    We thought the grey clouds might give the India swing bowlers some help, but there's been no sign of big movement yet. There's still that leg slip for Robson, but he's gone a touch wider. Shami bounding for another maiden as a few monks arrive in the crowd. Pint of ale. Might be mead.

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    Steve: Cook was a victim of bad luck. My luck has been out recently, bitten by a mole, then my cat. I'm concerned as there is an angry looking duck that lives down my street.

  234. 11:15: 
    Eng 49-1 (Robson 26, Ballance 15)

    Andy, I do love a close encounter with a cricketer in a non-cricketing environment. I was once in the same restaurant as Geoffrey Boycott. I left him alone and he ignore me. True story. Delay as the groundsman runs on with a huge bashing weight that isn't needed, so he's forced to carry it off again. Trent Bridge hums as Kumar scurries in, with Ballance unsuccessful in trying to force the ball through the off side. A maiden.

    England's Gary Ballance
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    Andy in Notts: Saw Alastair Cook last night and need to apologise for interrupting him while he was paying for petrol. Still, thoroughly nice guy and reckon that this match is going to be a draw.

  236. 11:11: 
    Eng 49-1 (408 behind)

    Friday at the Test, I'm expecting some raucousness from a crowd that doesn't have to be at work tomorrow. The first sign of life comes when Robson turns to fine leg, giving Kumar a chase. He gets around the boundary, even managing to pick the ball up, but then swan-dives over the rope. Four. Remarkable.

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    Sam Turner: Predicted scoring of under 3 per over, no chance of an England win; today is not going to be an advert for Test cricket... is it?

    Ian Wood: Anybody else feel that the famous England collapse is around the corner?

  238. 11:07: 
    Eng 45-1 (Robson 22, Ballance 15)

    Bhuvneshwar Kumar, the other half of that century last-wicket stand, shares morning duties. No great pace - mid-70s - but the right-armer has shape in and out in his armoury. He shouldn't be dangerous, but he is. An illusionist. Robson steers to point for one, then signals to Ballance that there's a hint of movement. Sedate start.

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    Dan in Lambeth: I think Cook has done an excellent job here - as the self-appointed Jonah to absorb all of the bad fortune that lady luck has to offer, he's now selflessly thrown himself on his sword to allow the rest of the team to bat unhindered. Top skippering I say.

  240. 11:04: 
    Eng 44-1 (413 behind)

    That leg slip is very fine, only a pace or two away from wicketkeeper Mahendra Dhoni. Robson is a leggy player, so India might be seeing that as a weakness, as well as a strength. Three regular slips too, but no hint of wobble yet for Shami. Robson takes a single on the off side to get us going.

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    Rakesh Pradhan: Mark Taylor went through similar woes with the bat as Cook is going. No question of dropping him or facing the chop.

    Dan Stephens: Would moving to number 3 help Cook right now so he doesn't have to manage the bowling and then go immediately into bat?

    England captain Alastair Cook
  242. 11:01: 
    Eng 43-1

    India have strolled through the tunnel of flag-holding children on to a lush Trent Bridge outfield that lies underneath a greyish sky. Sam Robson and Gary Ballance follow, with Robson preparing to take strike to Mohammed Shami. Right away, there's a leg slip in place.

    England's Sam Robson
  243. 10:59: 
    Scorecard update

    England 43-1 (17 overs)

    Robson 20*, Ballance 15*

    Fall of wickets: 9-1 (Cook 5)

    Bowling figures: Kumar 4-0-12-0, Shami 5-1-15-1, Ishant 5-0-12-0, Jadeja 2-1-3-0, Binny 1-0-1-0

    First innings: India 457 after winning toss


  244. 10:57: 
    Get involved

    And, just before the players skip down the steps, I can remind you of how to get in touch. Three usual ways - text 81111, tweet using the hashtag #bbccricket, or email tms@bbc.co.uk. Are we right to think Cook was a victim of bad luck yesterday, or was this another low of a dismal run? And what about today? Can England bat themselves back in to the game, or is a collapse on the horizon?

    Alec Stewart, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "This pitch is completely different to the one that Nottinghamshire have for their county matches. They have live grass on it, a green tinge, slightly damp and the ball goes through. Five out of six have been positive results; the one draw lost a day to rain. But this pitch is tired - it needs to be dug up and relaid."

  246. 10:50:  
    BBC Radio Test Match Special

    As I'm sure you've guessed by that plethora of punditry from former England internationals, Test Match Special is up and running.

    If you'd like to hear, rather than read what they've got to say, tune in to TMS on BBC Radio 5 live sports extra, Radio 4 longwave, digital TV, here online or via the BBC Sport and BBC Radio apps.

    Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "Cook needs to score runs. Even though he's got 8,000, you just lose that feel and positivity and at the minute he's getting out in all sorts of ways, which is always a sign. But I actually thought his movement for the balls he was out there yesterday was very good."

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    Alec Stewart, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "Whatever support network you have it's still down to you. He's got to be concerned. He is in the side to score runs, which he is not doing. The captaincy he did very well but the last partnership really killed him, so his preparation going to bat was not as he should and he has a muddled mind."

    Graeme Swann, Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "Cookie needs to completely forget about cricket at the minute because whatever he is doing just isn't working for him."

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    Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "We saw a little bit more movement so it might nibble for an hour but the pitch is absolute road. Play straight, play with discipline and there are plenty of runs out there, but it's old school session by session to try and creep their way up because I think scoring will be slow, under three an over."

    Test Match Special
  251. 10:46: 

    BBC Weather's Simon King: "Its quite high cloud and if anything it will burn off so we should see some sunnier spells, with temperatures up to 22 degrees. It will be completely dry today and Saturday should be dry, quite humid, with temperatures up to 24 and much lighter winds. There is some rain in the forecast for Saturday night and into Sunday."

    Sam Sheringham, BBC Sport at Trent Bridge

    "After two days of solid sunshine, Trent Bridge is overcast for the start of day three. That will be a welcome sight for India's quick bowlers, who will hope to exploit the venue's reputation for swing. Three years ago here, India's Praveen Kumar got the ball to twist and turn so much in the air that he was nicknamed the 'snake charmer' by Phil Tufnell. If India's current quartet, which includes swing specialists Bhuvneshwar Kumar and Stuart Binny, can follow suit, England could be in for a troublesome day."

  253. 10:44: 

    And that is where we begin this third day of the first Test at Trent Bridge, with England 414 runs behind the tourists with nine first-innings wickets in hand.

    If Alastair Cook got out of bed on a different side this morning, hoping that something would go right for him, then he would have been disappointed.

    The cloudless, Indian sky of the first two days that made batting on this lifeless wicket even easier is gone, replaced by bowler-friendly clouds. It could be a swingers' morning.


  254. 10:43: 

    Yep, if it wasn't bad enough that India has somehow clawed their way to 346-9 to 457 all out - no luck here, just an excellent effort by last-wicket pair Bhuvneshwar Kumar and Mohammed Shami - Cook, the pressure of no Test ton in a year, was then bowled off his thigh pad for only five.

    From then on, Sam Robson and Gary Ballance didn't need fortune to get to 43-1 at the close.

  255. 10:41: 

    So said Calvin to his cartoon mate Hobbes.

    Alastair Cook might have had similar sentiments when he sat down to take his kit off last night, including the thigh pad that was a contributor towards his downfall.

    For Cook, all the fortune of his horseshoe, rabbit's foot, KP voodoo doll and even the lucky rocket ship underpants had run out.

    England captain Alastair Cook
  256. 10:40: 

    "You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help."

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Live Scores - England v India


  • England drew with India
  • England: 496 (144.5 overs)
  • India: 457 & 391-9 (123.0 overs)
  • Venue: Nottingham

India 2nd Innings

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Vijay c Prior b Moeen 52
Dhawan c and b Moeen 29
Pujara c Stokes b Plunkett 55
Kohli lbw b Broad 8
Rahane c Prior b Broad 24
Dhoni b Plunkett 11
Jadeja c Prior b Anderson 31
Binny lbw b Moeen 78
B Kumar not out 63
I Sharma c Prior b Cook 13
Shami not out 4
Extras 7nb 9b 7lb 23
Total for 9 391

India in England

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Fixtures and results from India's 2014 tour of England, which includes five Tests, five ODIs and a Twenty20 international.

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