In the old days of Woman's Hour the programme used to issue a health warning at the beginning of any item that might be a little racy for our younger listeners. Today we reinstate the tradition - so if you're a man - there may be material in this conversation that could cause you some pain.
It's a story of how desperate infertile couples can be and how far they're prepared to go to get what they want. Barbara and Allen Pease are well known at home in Australia as experts in body language and relationship counselling.
She's in her early forties and he in his mid fifties. It's their second marriage and they each have children, but wanted a baby of their own. He, though, was an unlikely candidate to embark on fatherhood a second time...
The Definitive Book of Body Language is published by Orion in December, ISBN:0752858785
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