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Thursday 13 March 2008
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Jason being regurgitated by the snake who keeps the Golden Fleece (center, hanging on the tree); Athena stands to the right. Red-figured cup by Douris, c. 480-470 BC. From Cerveteri (Etruria)
THE GREEK MYTHS

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Are you a touch narcissistic? Do you have the body of an Adonis? Are you willing to undertake Herculean tasks or Promethean ventures? Perhaps you have an Oedipus complex?

If you answer to any or perhaps all of these you owe something to the Greek myths, a collection of weird and wonderful stories that, like Penelope’s shroud or the needlework of Arachne, was constantly woven and unpicked across centuries of Greek and Roman civilisation.

The myths have a cast of thousands including mighty Zeus, Jason and the Argonauts, wily Odysseus, beautiful Aphrodite and Cerberus, the three-headed dog. They are funny, shocking, quirky and epic and have retained their power and their wisdom from the ancient world to the modern.

Contributors

Nick Lowe, Senior Lecturer in Classics at Royal Holloway, University of London

Richard Buxton, Professor of Greek Language and Literature at the University of Bristol

Mary Beard, Professor of Classics at Cambridge University

Audience reactions to this edition

s.g.k. myth
The week would be diminished without IOT and I agree with Mr.Snupcup re. "quality". For me, focusing on learning, truth, appreciation, intelligence. . . are life-giving. Many thanks. For transformation now, contentually and contextually, consciousness of symbolic meaning and the true purpose of its diverse uses seems requisite.(Oddly) in the week, I was disturbed by phone calls from people across the world who believe that the characters and events in the t.v. serial 'Lost' are genuine. My number had been encoded in an episode. - That should teach me to be dismissive of myth!

John Butler - Greek Myths
The business of sacrifice came up. Why is it the Greeks were more interested in the invisible than the visible world, as have been so many other societies? And then spend so much time and effort over sacrificing poor innocent animals to feed their rituals. Sacrifice is still in the air (Giraud and all that) and it would be good to have a programme on it at a future date please. I suspect it's a male thing. Wonderful programmes - can't live without my thursday shot, thanks.

Peter Household – comparative mythology
Surely we need to take on board that the myths have no definitive version. On holiday in NW Greece some years ago I waded in river Styx and was shown a cave which was said to be considered locally as the entrance to the underworld. But I am interested in your astronomical explanation for the location of the Hades – what is your source for this?

Jim Tyrrell - Leicester
Another thought provoking programme. I noticed the comment about the Homer controversy. An interesting book that would stir up some thought provoking controversy is Julian Jaynes's "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind". Discussing this theory of consciousness would deliver another thought provoking programme.Anyone?

Greek Myths (A.K.Farrar - Romania)
Enjoyed the quick tour - you covered a lot of ground.Pity there wasn't more time on Ovid - fascinating to hear how he used the metamorphosis idea (is there a programme in it?)

Doug Connor - Greek Myths
That was, without a doubt, one of the most intellectually refreshing programmes I have heard in years! My only regret was that the programme ended far too quickly. I had the feeling we were just beginning to hit a rhythm on the topic when the programme ended - like Mary Beards' comment about "compressing two thousand years of scholarship into five minutes". The threads of myth coming from the Bronze Age through the Dark Age of Homer and Hesiod into the Classical flourescence represent one of the most fascinating cultural transitions in our history. Well done! A great idea.. a brilliant programme ... and a great (short) learning exercise. Thanks.

Francis Hay - Greek Myths
Suprised you say you know nothing about the Hittites in your newsletter! Can only assume this is tongue in cheek! In any event seems to me an "In Our Time" on the Hittites long overdue? Over to you "In Our Time" team.

Tom , London - Greek myths
Good as usual, although, as Melvyn wote in the newsletter, the start was an issue. I got lost as to the question about ten minutes in, but, also as usual, listened on the web later - I normally only get to hear the start whilst in the car and that gees me up to listen to all of it later. I agree about the Robert Graves book being a good reference.

Peter Bolt ; Greek myths
Mr Severin (with whom I have no connections whatsoever) in his various expeditions and books does a marvelleous job in locating both geographically and mentally the mythical voyages of the Greek heros.

Matt Long - Greek Myths
Surprised the Robert Graves book on Greek Myths did not find its way onto your bibliography. Like all his books it is beautifully written, easy yet learned. I would highly recommend it.

Melanie Reinhart - Greek Myths
I'm a real fan of 'In Our Time', but this programme was really disappointing. I'd have liked to hear from someone in the psychoanalytic professions. What about hearing from someone for whom these stories and characters are a truly living personal and emotional reality - like dramatists, poets, actors, psychotherapists (especially Jungian)? The mythic dimension is not 'long ago and far away' or 'fable' or 'history', but represents living and transformative experience within the soul, in the present. Melvyn's introduction was promising, but the discussion which followed just didn't deliver.

markv
Stars Indeed.I thought this programme was example of classic good handling by Melvyn. The experts momentarily mentioned “the underside of myth”. It is astonishing that three academics can breeze their way through nearly an hour of myth without a single mention of astronomy.The underworld of Hades exists below the horizon, and Persephone was carried there on the celestial sphere. It is amazing that not one of the experts had read Hertha Von Descend’s lament in the essential classic “Hamlet’s Mill”.Myths are based on astronomy, they have a pre-literate history.

Michael Moore, Greek Myths
A good start, It was a shame you didn't have time to explore the references to the Olympian Gods in other sources such as the bible, Jewish scripture, the Book of Enoch etc and eastern religions too; Hindu myths for example and many more. The Eleusian mysteries were all about altered states of conciousness which they believed put them in touch with the realm of the Gods. Their theatre too existed for that alone, that's why no other subject matter would have been considered worthy or to have remotely hit the spot. Shakespeare knew how it all worked. But brilliant programme, thank you.

Thomas Allen Greek Myths
Excellent programme and currently reading The Tailsman of Troy By Valerio Manfredi I can appreciate the synchronicity. I normally listen to the same programme two or three times to soak it all upI would love Mr Bragg to cast his net a little wider and invite someone like Dave Talbot in to the studio to discuss The Electric Universe Hypothesis.

Greek Mythology
Thoughtful and enlightening as ever; It became clear they are stories told to enquiring nuisance children by mothers: e.g.Do not be naughty, dear. Why not?.Because it is bad. Why are people bad? (And this is the stinker - How much do you really know) Because of Pandora and off the mother would go.Similarly "Why should I win and not lose tomorrow?" Because of Jason. Eventually the myth leaves only one question "Why should I be liked?" which cannot be asked by even the most precocious child.One can imagine the mothers union of Athens circulating these myths. Periodically a mother would proudly proclaim her son asked a question not covered by "the book" and a professional like Ovid commissioned.Plato condemned them as ultimately dysfunctional because despite doing the job of shutting up the child and maintaining parental authority, their principles were carried through into adulthood as excuses and pretexts for all manner of evils. Ultimately his critique overpowered these Gods paving the way for our single exemplary divinity.

James Baring - Greek Myths
Wonderful, articulate, brilliant, relevant, memorable.

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