Professor David Wilson discusses food in prisons - the good, and the bad.
Prison food is something of great importance to prisoners - a highlight of their day, and a great disappointment when you get it wrong.
Sheila Dillon and Dr Margaret Rayman visited High Down Prison in Sutton, Surrey a couple of months ago on behalf of the BBC Radio 4 Food and Farming Awards, to speak to Al Crisci, Catering Manager and winner of the BBC Radio 4 Food and Farming Award for the Best Dinner Lady or Man and prison gardener, Andy Bennett.
Some serving prisoners and Mark, who was released from Wandsworth Prison last year, talk about prison food.
In the studio David Wilson is joined by Juliet Lyon, Director of The Prison Reform Trust, Edward Garnier, conservative MP for Harborough and Shadow Minister for Prisons and Erwin James, released last year from prison after serving a 22 year sentence and now a journalist.
David Wilson visits Wayland Prison in Norfolk where they breed and raise rare breed animals for sale and show in the local agricultural fairs. He is joined by Tom Thirston, Conservation and Sustainable Development Manager.
Bernard Gesch, Director of the Charity Natural Justice and winner of last year's Derek Cooper Special Award in the BBC Radio 4 Food and Farming Awards, discusses that what we eat may be part of the reason behind why people offend in the first place.
Down the line from California, Stephen Schoenthaler, Professor of Criminal Justice at California State University discusses his theories on the connection between diet and criminal behaviour and his findings in prisons and schools.
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