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Elif Shafak is more than a little in love with Rumi, the Sufi mystic poet who features in her novel "The Forty Rules of Love." In this programme Turkey's best-selling woman novelist tells Joan Bakewell about her growing attachment to this figure, and about the connections she sees between the role of a 13th century mystic philosopher and herself as a 21st century writer.
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