Is there - sometimes - a case for torture?
Former US President George W Bush has defended waterboarding suspected terrorists, in his memoir. He says it saved British and American lives.
Is he right?
If it saves innocent lives - is torture sometimes OK?
If certain individuals are prepared to kill innocent people in their droves - do they deserve any human rights?
In a passionate debate, Nicky Campbell hears from Stacy Hilliard, the vice chair of Republicans Abroad, and Major General Tim Cross, the most senior British officer responsible for post-war planning for the Iraq War and deployed to the country immediately after the invasion in 2003.
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