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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by AndyfromCornwall (U14342750) on Monday, 1st November 2010

    www.thesun.co.uk/sol...

    Neat bit of spin, Chris smiley - winkeye

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    Posted by RoseRodent (U1896879) on Tuesday, 2nd November 2010

    Don't get it, sorry! The article seems to be saying she was upset by bullying and a lack of subtitles. She did set to and try to fix the lack of subtitles but has been unsuccessful. There's a Facebook group where you can go and say I agree that there should be more support and services but which has yet to deliver them... am I reading it wrong?

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    Posted by AndyfromCornwall (U14342750) on Tuesday, 2nd November 2010

    What is remarkable is that she has gained 3,500 members in only 7 months. The rest of it is tabloid waffle.
    The best any deaf forum has done to date is Deaf-UK which once had 1500 members, but it took them years to get that big.
    So it proves that deaf people want to join together and support each other and they have pretty much flocked to the site.

    I have always maintained that the Internet is the ideal way for deaf people to get together in the 21st C. It can be used to get people together online >and< organise real life meets. I know a number of groups who do that.

    But what we have lacked is one big group where everybody goes and which can be used to support wider ideals such as getter fairer treatment with DLA applications and, yes persuading the TV people that subtitles are essential.

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    Posted by M M (U14200747) on Tuesday, 2nd November 2010

    When they invent a trivia excluding tool for twitter and facebook I'll use them. I found socialising and campaigning doesn't mix online. You get detracted by too much waffle and the eye is taken constantly off the ball. TO win any campaign you have to be totally focused and not detracted by the endless ego trips by the faceless wonders on FB/Twitter.

    For those who say this IS the way forward I say, show me proof, REAL Proof. There will never be another group like the deaf-uk's of this world the idea is dated and it's the same people waffling endlessly or its a notice board, neither deaf want these days, and the system of debate and moderation is pants and clique-ridden.. They don't want to campaign either, if they did the deaf group memberships would be full of people.

    Name 6 'top' deaf sites ion the UK you'll name the same people in them all practically... Facebook is just a place for 'collecting' people, it's some sort of game I believe. NO campaign mentioned in the Sun (Who reads that anyway ?), that was mentioned hasn't been done and is still being done in 20 other charities already.

    The whole gig looked a a cut and paste from 1 in 7..... No more heroes please.

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    Posted by AndyfromCornwall (U14342750) on Wednesday, 3rd November 2010

    When they invent a trivia excluding tool for twitter and facebook I'll use them. I found socialising and campaigning doesn't mix online. You get detracted by too much waffle and the eye is taken constantly off the ball. TO win any campaign you have to be totally focused and not detracted by the endless ego trips by the faceless wonders on FB/Twitter. 

    That is because they are effectively "single channel" communications. When we experimented with online comms at Uni we discovered that when you have just one channel for everything it is less effective. As you say it all gets jumbled up.
    That is a strength of the forum, because you can give it a formal structure and it can have virtual "rooms" for different purposes. We pioneered that model at the OU in 1996. You can divide your forums into specific areas which can be denoted by descriptive titles.
    " The Debating Chamber" leaves people in no doubt as to the seriousness of its purpose and so you'd reserve such a place for serious matters. On the other hand if you have a space called The Public Bar then you'd get a Twitter like mix of topics.
    The Ouch forum is really comprised of a series of sub-forums each with a different purpose. It's a sound model.

    For those who say this IS the way forward I say, show me proof, REAL Proof. There will never be another group like the deaf-uk's of this world the idea is dated and it's the same people waffling endlessly or its a notice board, neither deaf want these days, and the system of debate and moderation is pants and clique-ridden.. They don't want to campaign either, if they did the deaf group memberships would be full of people. 

    Mostly they have been badly run. It is not immediately obvious how much power the owner of a forum can wield but once they get into their stride they get carried away. Voltaire correctly commented that absolute power corrupts absolutely and that applies especially to forum owners and moderators who do in fact have absolute power.
    You need people with great integrity to be fair moderators, for example in order not to intervene and censor people's opinions.

    A forum should be a neutral platform, not a hotbed of behind the scenes plotting. The management should be transparent.

    Name 6 'top' deaf sites ion the UK you'll name the same people in them all practically... Facebook is just a place for 'collecting' people, it's some sort of game I believe. NO campaign mentioned in the Sun (Who reads that anyway ?), that was mentioned hasn't been done and is still being done in 20 other charities already.

    The whole gig looked a a cut and paste from 1 in 7..... No more heroes please. 


    But it is a good way of getting the word "out there" that there's a new deaf group that's growing at a phenomenal rate. It is hard to spread the word and get the viral process started but once it is going it will redouble in numbers. This is one way of getting the ball rolling.

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    Posted by M M (U14200747) on Wednesday, 3rd November 2010

    Can they GET deaf people interested in debates about their lot ? or campaigns ? lots of twit-talk little or no action at all, no marches, no heavy lobbying to the system, not even the pointless online petitions are being used. Deaf endevour is being drowned in a sea of apathetic nonsense on social sites. Once the 'word' IS out there, I still do not see progress. If you had 2,000 'followers' for access to telephony or something, then why aren't 2,000 people doing something about it ? or even 200 ?

    You can't mix social garbage and progress a campaign at the same time, charities (And I was discussing this on another site recently), they need to separate 'social' from the rest via input, offer a filter system on twitter and facebook so social goes to one area and campaigns another. Some try this and it still 'deteriorates' into 30 word asides about bus rides or something.

    I see charitable twitter and facebook sites rather dubious and grooming/trawling for potential fund givers while giving a very false impression they are our friends. Charity is NOT your friend it is a BUSINESS and basically they went free help and your money, that's the bottom line. You need 'distance' so each knows where they stand, the blurring of the 'social lines' makes me very nervous personally.

    I find I can contact a charity or service direct with no need to waffle on social sites, if I can do that, so can others. I think if you read forums and boards online (Especially the ailing and badly run British ones), they are trying to recreate twitter and facebook approaches there, this is pointless.

    75% of people who log in to charity social sites are there to socialise and many are not even IN this country, 49% post once and never return. Like 'followers' abroad are going to post money here from where they are.

    'Support' online is transitory and unreal, and in reality cannot be effectively harnessed to put bums on seats, you have to cut the waffle..

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    Posted by RoseRodent (U1896879) on Monday, 8th November 2010

    There's a lot you can do with Facebook if you know the techniques, but the thing is that Facebook don't encourage people to filter out the garbage cos that's how they are funded. You can block out apps, you can block out individuals or groups of individuals who post a lot of junk, you can set up one social account and one account for dealing with your campaigns so long as you have more than one email address. You can download apps which block out the vast, vast majority of nonsense because they are like junk mail filters, every time someone feeds in that something is junk it is blocked from all the other users of the same product. Add on a browser-based blocker and you have a "clean" Facebook. I no longer get informed that someone has several scoops of virtual icecream for me or that they need me to water their virtual garden. Thank goodness.

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    Posted by M M (U14200747) on Monday, 8th November 2010

    Why go to all that trouble ? just don't log IN. If I want to talk Bllx, I'll go down the pub at least I get out a bit then... and have a valid excuse.

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by Walks-in-Shadows (U14315095) on Thursday, 23rd December 2010

    "We pioneered that model at the OU back in 1996." So does that mean that you're one of the people I have to thank for my three jobs, Cornishandy?

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