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Most of these toilets were designed + built for manual wheelchairs so it's next to impossible to get the lengh of a mobility scooter/buggy around the sharp right angel. I know this as this problem is real as I use the loo in Tesco on Tadcaster Road in York so could the BBC inform the international scoiety of arcitects so this problem can be avoid this blunder + surely Tesco with it's huge profits could solve the problem -
Some scooters are the size of small cars and toilets cant be expected to accomadate something that size.
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bulekingfisher, you use the supermarket; you spend your money there. May I suggest you contact the Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA) yourself?
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agree with disdat on that.
Would it not be better to use a powerchair if you are unable to leave the scooter outside the door and walk in ?
I am a manual chair user and find it difficult even with my tiny chair to manage.
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Hi.
Most of the 'disabled toilets' do a great dis-service to wheelchair users too. In many of them you can't swing a cat around, let alone manoeuvre a powerchair.
As a member of our local Access group, we approached the manager of a large new shopping complex regarding their toilets. He explained many stores buy standard "off the peg" ready made disabled toilets so there was nothing he could do without a major rebuilding programme.
He said the architects took advice from a disability group before passing the plans, but could not say who they were. Surprise, surprise!This is a reply to this message.
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I find it funny why cleaning buckets and mops get left in the disabled toilets
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They aren't going to touch this with a barge pole, as scooters are not considered "wheelchairs" under any of the relevant legislation. They are outdoor vehicles and there is no expectation that anyone should allow them indoors. They often do, but it's entirely a courtesy, never a requirement.
Powerchairs are trickier, as most regulations are based on a "reference sized manual wheelchair" - why I have no idea. They are based upon a manual chair of a given size (which is often a 16in chair even though that is by modern standards a small, not a standard). The chair is often measured based on an attendant-assisted chair, but they then make no allowances for a second person to be in the toilet facility! Well either you need to measure it up for self-propelled or for standing room for a PA!
My chair is a 15.5in wide "sport" chair with the COG set so far forwards that the rear wheels barely project. The footplate is a 95 degree hanger and yet I have been in toilets where I cannot turn that around!!
My increasing bugbear is toilets with no door closure bar on the inside. You are supposed to be able to grab the lock at the very extremity of the door and use it to pull the thing closed behind you, whilst also steering a wheelchair - how?This is a reply to this message.
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I find it funny why cleaning buckets and mops get left in the disabled toilets
I think it is because they are less likely to be stolen by disabled people. Also many disabled loos have a very low frequency of use, like one person a week or something so that's more secure.
If you see a wheelchair scooting up the road laden with second-hand mops and buckets that will scupper my theory, won't it?This is a reply to this message.
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I go to avenue that stores spare chairs and lamps etc in teh disabled loo as well, no room to get a wheelchair in, turn around line up etc to transfere correctly, I can manage but susspect I'm the only crip to use the facility.
I have the same problem with access when on my scooter, some places (like a few of the loos in college) the scooter will fit, most places it won't.
I never knew they built them 'on peg' I always presumed that they were to order.This is a reply to this message.
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I find it funny why cleaning buckets and mops get left in the disabled toilets
I don't find it funny. It's annoying. And yet another example of lack of respect for Disabled people.This is a reply to this message.
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My increasing bugbear is toilets with no door closure bar on the inside. You are supposed to be able to grab the lock at the very extremity of the door and use it to pull the thing closed behind you, whilst also steering a wheelchair - how?
Invariably, the designer has managed to tick every other box, such as ample turning room, a peninsular layout, hand basin at usable height for wheelchair users etc; then, forgets to put door closer on the door!
Thus, bursting for a you and me, I’m to be seen flailing around for a handle or protuberance of some kind to close the door. Then, grabbing at the thing in haste, I pull towards myself, only for the door to hit my footplate and send out of my reach.
Famously, the adapted loo in the gent’s toilet in the Grand Hotel in Brighton has a massive mahogany door minus a door closer. When I stayed there a few weeks ago it got to the pint that I began using the unisex toilet, which is actually sited within the ladies toilet.
When I first used it I was collared by a Labour MP who told me in no uncertain terms I was in the ‘Ladies’. I agreed; but, then challenged her to explain how else I could access the unisex disabled toilet without first entering the ‘Ladies’ loo.
She didn’t have an answer to that; so, I smiled at her, and then smiled at Anne Begg MP who on coming out of the unisex disabled toilet had smiled at me – or, maybe it was a grimace!
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