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Back problems cured by prayer
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have they ever heard of believing in something so much it happens? hypnotists use the same method, and in one case, a hypnotist made himself feel no pain, for an operation that normally required a general anasthetic.
This is what BushBeatingCommunity is crap at
the less and less evidence a story holds, and the more its placed in 'faith', then nobody can question it, no experts can comment, it just is - why? dont be so racist! it just is -
It must be a homeopathic approach Rob, i.e. less and less evidence gives a stronger and stronger arguement.
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Oh dear, after reading that article, all I can say is I wish I had some of whatever he was taking.
Its one tour I wont be buying tickets for.
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"Suddenly I felt a tremendous sense of heat, very, very warm, and a tingling feeling all over my entire body. It was very strong and lasted for a long time."
He said he felt a "tremendous sense of peace and joy" and a sense of "confidence and determination"
Possible he mixed up the prayer book with the diamorphine jab?This is a reply to this message.
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Was it a very heavy prayer book, and was it applied to the temporal lobe at speed ?
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"Suddenly I felt a tremendous sense of heat, very, very warm, and a tingling feeling all over my entire body. It was very strong and lasted for a long time."
The electric blanket was on and he wee-ed himself.
He said he felt a "tremendous sense of peace and joy" and a sense of "confidence and determination"
I'm the same after three pints of stella.
Except for the peaceful bit.
I'm usually quite confident and determined to be joyful though, and do so at the top of my voice
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last week there was promotion of a healing group visiting nearby and several people said I should go, the group stood out because it was a diffrent type of worship that is available locally.
I live in a rural area and people of different races claiming to heal is news but not my news.
Take away my back pain but what about the rest? I have body wide disabilities and helping one wont do much for me and going to a service with the happy clappers wont make me well.
I believe that positive attitude helps to cope with disability, I have seen that myself over the years but groups like these are capitalising on peoples weaknesses.
love it hossy.
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Posted by STRANGELY STRANGE ( A brain on a spring ) (U2496023) on Tuesday, 10th November 2009 permalink
Several months ago, I was asked by God directly to be the New Son Of God, but in a non religeous way as not a God Botherer. However in the spirit of things I am sure I can stretch to a bit of laying on of hands if needed, lol!
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If you lay on beer and sarnies too then that would be a big bonus attraction
Wow, it would be fairly cool to get hammered with the New Son of God.
Problem is, you know who would get the blame for leading you astray
All round to Strange's house for a general laying on of hands then?
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don't question the lord
he/she/it is allegidly uber powerful and gives the gift of life
he obvious desires all of us to suffer, probably due our negative thinking in the womb, and so we remember that some bronze age myth suffered on a cross.
they have ultmate knowledge and power, and thus created a world full of nastiness and evil
you know why?
coz the first 2 people teleported down ate some fruit off a tree.
i realise this post will probably be removed as an 'ism' because i have challenged some common myths that we must pretend and pussy foot around because its peoples beliefs
well its my belifes i have the right to challenge other people as they have the right to challenege my beliefs
and thus, plz delete all posts where people do not agree with me 100%
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Posted by STRANGELY STRANGE ( A brain on a spring ) (U2496023) on Tuesday, 10th November 2009 permalink
They can yikes my last post too then as I was asked by God. Sure it was due to my MH probs, but true it was!
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If someone is healed and attributes it to faith, why should that bother anyone else? Who knows whether it was faith or placebo or spontaneous remission or what? He's healed and no one knows why so his interpretation is as good as anyone else's.
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If it works for someone then good luck to them.
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Is attributing this to prayer any different to attributing better pain control to meditation or any of the other indirect methods? ISTR that prayer actually has measurable and typical brain activity on an MRI (and distinct from other forms of thought), so we've got real neurological activity going on here. I know not everyone agrees with the activity and attitudes of some believers, I find some of them pretty offensive myself, but pain and belief do interact -- just look at the psychometric questionaires used by any pain clinic, trying to pin down what you believe about your pain -- so whatever you believe about his beliefs, the fact he's used them to relieve his pain is interesting.
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I find the issue of healing a touchy subject (and that's before the laying on of hands begins!) Me and my Dad are both Christians, but he wants me to try and 'get healed' and I don't want to. I don't know how to handle it. I'm starting to get really annoyed. He often sends me articles and books about healing and I just say thank you and leave them on the bookshelf while quietly fuming.
Partly it's that I'm fed up of being told left, right and centre how to get better, whether it's food supplements, prayer, graded exercise therapy, or whatever. Nobody's life is perfect, but I'm not left alone to do my own decision making on treatments or accept my life 'as is'.
Some people really want to be 'better', and while I like the idea of miraculously recovering I'm not ready for it. I'm not saying, "Woohoo I have ME, how wonderful!" but I want to find some meaning and learn from my experiences. Otherwise I'd feel like this part of my life has been nothing more than passing time before I die.
When I read the miracle stories, Jesus seemed as concerned with giving people dignity and choices as fixing physical impairments. He didn't say, "Oh what, you can't see? Let me fix that for you!"; he said "What do you want me to do for you?"
I know it's really hard for my Dad to accept that I am chronically ill and may never be 'well' again, but I wish he could accept me as I am.This is a reply to this message.
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interesting yes
i still think its down to the same thing like hypnotherapy
where if u believe something enough, it happens (in terms of self)
its very weird, how questioning odd religion ideas is deemed offensive, yet, just because it has absolutely no scientific basis, it is offensive
if i believe something factual, you can tear it apart and offend me as much as you want, and be ok about it
but if i dont believe in someones thoughts that have zero proof or evidence of a single shred, then i am being offensive.
so, if i say, that secret agents around the world are taking people onto secret flights, to be interoggated at 35,000 over international waters, you can call me for being paranoid and watching too many films
if you say you believe in supernatural being in the sky by the name of god, i am supposed to just shutup and nod understandingly instead of calling you dellusional?
and if someone else across the waters say they believe in another supernatural being by the name of ali or mohammid, or such like, i am just to nod as well, and say nothing.
well i refuse, specially when it has messed up the love of my life to such an extent. she was too young to deciede for herself as a baby, and then too vunrable to do anything about it, brainwashed into an organisation that has trapped her into so much worry and panic, fear of everything, thinking she is always being watched by this mighty thing that will treat her right if she does right
she can't comprehend that if there really was such a thing, it would know she was bum licking and punish more because she has been taught never to question anything, just accept
sorry, i despise
i can understand if people are brainwashed coz of this, but i wont be told by nobody i can't voice my opinion on the whole matter
same as my opinion on anything
dont mean i be horrible to anyone about it, it means i will question it, and continue to do so until someone shows or demonstrates to me some kinda proof beyond the "coz god lets me choose" mumbo
religion ruined my friend into thinking everything was nice and fluffy and its all coffee mornings and "things just are". she did everything right, all her life, and then it all went wrong for her and she got ill
she is probably thinking its her own fault for not praying enough as a kid, and whenever i question her about any of this it freaks her out, and i know why.... she thinks she will get into trouble from the one above for it
i can't say what she tells me anymore for reasons i dont wanna go into, so i will leave it there
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Posted by STRANGELY STRANGE ( A brain on a spring ) (U2496023) on Wednesday, 11th November 2009 permalink
Amethyst, could you write a letter to your dad saying you want to carry on being a christian but definitely dont want to do the healing hands thing? Seeing it in words might get through to him.
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don't question the lord
he/she/it is allegidly uber powerful and gives the gift of life
he obvious desires all of us to suffer, probably due our negative thinking in the womb, and so we remember that some bronze age myth suffered on a cross.
they have ultmate knowledge and power, and thus created a world full of nastiness and evil
you know why?
coz the first 2 people teleported down ate some fruit off a tree.
i realise this post will probably be removed as an 'ism' because i have challenged some common myths that we must pretend and pussy foot around because its peoples beliefs
well its my belifes i have the right to challenge other people as they have the right to challenege my beliefs
and thus, plz delete all posts where people do not agree with me 100%
Why would your post be removed, Rob, you're pretty much on the money. Freedom of belief includes the right to believe that God (whichever of the many) does not exist and the right to believe that religion is bad. Nothing wrong with your post.This is a reply to this message.
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I watched a VERY interesting program last night called
"dancing with the devil"
ie "you can walk with god, or dance with the devil"
It was quiet incredible, i suggest anyone who is ether very for religion, or very against, would find it interesting, as well as anyone interested in south america, or gangland life.
I admit, i am really confused atm, i have on a lot on, and the message i get is so mixed.
but take that vicar recently that aborted the CofE to change to catholic
at some point, that guy lost his beliefs and found another set.
So either, he went from the wrong religion to the right one, the right one to the wrong one, from the wrong one to the wrong one.
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There has been a group of people in the city where I live approaching the public and offering their brand of belief as an answer to disability, poverty and vintage.
It gets to me that I know have to carry some of their publicity with me to prove I have already been spoken to, as they have become ever more hinderance in my getting from A to B.
Their arguement is that if you join them in their belief, you will be healled. They don't seem to gauge that, may be, they should first establish if someone believes they are ill and can be healled. I have been told that I have disabilities because I do not share their belief, and continuing in my ignorance will only make things worse.
I have told them if that is the case I will be taking things up with God personally and thanked them for their advice.
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