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  • Message 1. Posted by jockice (U1828467) on Wednesday, 4th November 2009 permalink

    www.guardian.co.uk/s...

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  • Message 2. Posted by DavidG (U2600889) on Wednesday, 4th November 2009 permalink

    Leonard Cheshire thinks the results are surprisingly high, yet more evidence they haven't a clue about what life's really like for disabled people.

    I'm surprised it's so low.

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  • Message 3. Posted by hossylass (U3749845) on Wednesday, 4th November 2009 permalink

    I think it is much higher.

    Media lead hate and derision of a group is a crime, but the Press complaints people deny it.

    I was recently a silent victim of an invisible hate crime perpetrated by the neighbours that I was a "benefits" fraud.

    A civil "disagreement" that has left me depressed and stressed, angry and hurt, more so than when I have been a victim of other crimes.

    It doesn't count and wouldn't count to the police, yet it is as I see it the first step of harrassment.

    A big thank you to the government and the media for portraying me in a manner that other people can then use as a weapon to destroy me.

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  • Message 4. Posted by Otter25 (U14189455) on Wednesday, 4th November 2009 permalink

    I'd think its more like 1 in 3. We get so used to this sort of thing.

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  • Message 5. Posted by DavidG (U2600889) on Wednesday, 4th November 2009 permalink

    >> I was recently a silent victim of an invisible hate crime perpetrated by the neighbours that I was a "benefits" fraud. [snip] It doesn't count and wouldn't count to the police, yet it is as I see it the first step of harrassment. <<

    I agree completely. All but one of the incidents where I have been verbally abused have featured me being called a benefits fraud in some way, shape or form (I can't be very good at it, none of them occurred while I was actually in receipt of anything). I draw no distinction between what happened to you and what happened to me, yet because it was done on the street it counts for me, but not for you. Ridiculous.

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  • Message 6. Posted by Chris_Page (U557481) on Wednesday, 4th November 2009 permalink

    I think perpetuating such myths on TV or radio counts as a hate crime, personally.

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  • Message 7. Posted by aardvark (U5528168) on Wednesday, 4th November 2009 permalink

    the media certainly continues the attack on ones self asteem and increases the sense of worthlessness. and allows people to feel they can legitimatly attack disabled people

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  • Message 8. Posted by NuttySurvivor (U2017168) on Wednesday, 4th November 2009 permalink

    I was recently a silent victim of an invisible hate crime perpetrated by the neighbours that I was a "benefits" fraud.


    I can see that that would be most unpleasant, but what crime was committed?

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  • Message 9. Posted by NuttySurvivor (U2017168) on Wednesday, 4th November 2009 permalink

    I seem to have only read half a post.

    I don't think that just because someone is nasty, it should count in hate crime statistics. It wouldn't count in any other crime statistics, so you could end up in theory with more hate crimes than you had actual crimes, which would make the statistics meaningless.

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  • Message 10. Posted by wobblyoldstick (U14135806) on Wednesday, 4th November 2009 permalink

    DavidG - thank you. Your quip about you not being a very good benefits fraudster has been the only thing that made me smile today.

    Wobblyoldstick

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  • Message 11. Posted by Speedy (U13835579) on Wednesday, 4th November 2009 permalink

    I'm very interested in the Hate Crime issue towards disabled people.

    I have read the March 2005 Hate Crime: Delivering A Quality Service Good Pratice and Tactical Guidance.

    In that it states that the police should revisit their policies and tactical options particularly in relation to repeat vicitimisation with a clear emphasis on enforcement prevention and intervention at the earliest stages.

    I have looked at our Northumbria Police force Strategy Plan 2008-2011. When looking through the Strategy Plan It states in Northumbria Police Force Strategy Plan that they help all types of people who have been sexually abused but it states no where what help is given to disabled, ethinic minorities and other people who qualify under the Hate Crime Act

    Hate Crime towards disabled people in the Northeast is quite rife but the police are failing to protect all vulnerable people.

    I think more work and more education is needed to make people aware that Hate Crime towards the disabled does exist.

    Also I think more leaflets should be printed to tell the disabled how to log the attacks as hate crime as I see plenty of leaflets stating how to stamp out racism but not disability hatred.

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  • Message 12. Posted by DavidG (U2600889) on Wednesday, 4th November 2009 permalink

    >> I don't think that just because someone is nasty, it should count in hate crime statistics <<

    ISTR seeing a statement somewhere, and I can't remember from who, that if someone feels that they have been the victim of a hate crime then it should be counted.

    As to whether a false report to a fraud hotline counts as a crime, I think you could make a case that it is. Just because the report is to the authorities doesn't stop it being conspiracy to commit a breach of the peace and there might be other applicable public order offences.

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