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This article is a load of rubbish, and about half way through, one of the authors even admits it "might play a part".
This would be like saying "hospital link with illness". Our studies have found that people who are in hospital are more likely to be ill again in 5 years than their counterparts.
They say there is no depressive data on those before the trial?
why, because it just flips on one night, from not being depressed to being depressed?
No, it doesn't work like that, its a gradual build up, and I bet one of the first things that happen to people very early in depression is they stop doing things that takes a lot of time and effort, like cooking big meals with fresh vegtables they needed to have shopped for freshly, replaced by sticking something in the microwave.
this article just proves how stupid people are who are supposidly experts, they can't think outside such a basic box.
What about, i dont know, a link with, your more likely to get killed at work if your aged under 30. This shows that older people are more safer at work.
No thought that the majority of front lined armed services are aged in their teens or 20s
people can make the statistics say whatever the politically motivated liberal left want them too.
next week - driving a car, and not running 20 miles to work each day INCREASES RISK OF MOTORING ACCIDENTS! Governments respond by increasing motor tax to "ensure safer communities"
rubbish claptrap
make a proper research, and not this rubbish. its useless
I am arguably depressed, i also eat rubbish food. Is there a link? yes, being depressed means I CBA to cook or clean, or shop, or anything involved with it
not, because i didn't do those things it magicly whisks up depression like some unknown drug contained in the microwave
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and the reason I am so angry about it, is because this article is implying its depressed peoples own fault
which is just what we needed
How about making an article that shows over inflated government research quangos suffer from a disease called meglamaniacism where, in order to maintain job security, complicated issues are stripped down, all the complex stuff is binned, and the remaining 2 simple variables are stuck on a graph and a conclusion drawn, for which £1m can be reimbursed to the 'expert' responsible.This is a reply to this message.
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Excuse that I have pinched this from where I posted it on another site, but what is "processing" anyway? Things that seem "unnatural" to people who accept other "unnatural" things like houses, clean drinking water, clothes and hairstyles easily, but anything that didn't exist when they were born is too progressive :-
Among the many issues I take with the food police is this idea of food being either processed or unprocessed, that one is always good and the other bad, and that some things are essentially OK and others are alien. This guy was putting corn in a tumble drier on TV last night and saying how totally awful that was, and I thought what is a tumble drier but an oven that moves? We cook things, this is a "process" but because it is an old and well-established one the food police let us away with it, although of course raw is always "better", usually in some ill-defined way (but somehow not good if it's chicken), or because there are some cooking processes which strip nutrients, but so long as you don't choose those ones it makes no difference.
So this morning I was looking at what would be considered "unprocessed" by many in the food police and came upon a slice of wholemal toast and butter. Call me a purist, but isn't there a lot of processing that goes into bread? Like for example you take the wheat, you take off only the seeds, you smash the seeds up, you mix them with other ingredients, you wait for a yeast to do its thing, you bash it some more, leave it some more, shape it then cook it then slice it. It's not exactly as if it's been picked from a tree and eaten fresh and whole. Likewise butter, which is milked, pasteurised and churned.
Very little food doesn't go through a "process" and what is and is not a process anyway? If I crack an egg and discard the shell is it not now processed? If I peel a carrot does it become a processed carrot? If I wash a lettuce, cook a steak, defat a bacon rind?
Who decided what processing is and what it's not? Cooking an egg is an irreversible chemical change, but is it "bad"?
Just goes to show the importance of teaching young people in schools to read critically, to understand when they are being sold hogwash to blame the recipient for their own ills, or to sell a product. One appeared on another of my sites recently, a girl laughing about a test advertised which cost a load of money and said in the small print something along the lines of "this is not a test, you should not use it as a test. When you have the results of this test which is not a test they are likely to be meaningless anyway". We laughed, but I bet the sellers are laughing their way to the bank taking money from desperate people.This is a reply to this message.
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My reaction on reading this was fear that it will be used to blame the victim.
As an aside, one of my classes a couple of years ago was a 'Statistics for Social Scientists' course. As one of our assignments, we were given an article from a prestigious peer-reviewed international journal, and told to closely examine the statistics and conclusions. It was a real eye opener about how much rubbish people can get away with spouting.This is a reply to this message.
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>>why, because it just flips on one night, from not being depressed to being depressed?
No, it doesn't work like that, its a gradual build up, and I bet one of the first things that happen to people very early in depression is they stop doing things that takes a lot of time and effort, like cooking big meals with fresh vegtables they needed to have shopped for freshly, replaced by sticking something in the microwave<<
Thats not always the case Rob, I was in a high speed RTA and when you are injured and disabled perminantly the deppression hits you like a big wall and your existing life is over, whatever or who ever you are is gone and you have to learn to make a new life from whats leftover, clinical deppression is very common after life changing accidents but you hide it from everyone, includidng the people nearest to you until you breakdown.
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Rose Rodent, I read an article the other week on the evolution of humans being linked to the ability to cook/process food, makes interesting reading. It explains why we get more energy from cooked food than raw etc. www.timesonline.co.u...
(I can't remember where I read the article, but I've found a similar one.)This is a reply to this message.
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The difference between " processing " food in the cooking process at home and getting the stuff from big firms like birds eye or icelands own isnt that is "processed " as such , but that they add lots of chemicals to it and often add too much salt sugar and fat, ( which we wouldnt at home could we cook it ourselves ),to make it cheaper to make (and thus increase their profits),.. none of these are good for us , I accept that..
BUT for disabled/ sick and elderly people in particular these meals can be a life saver because without them ,( at least for some days in the week ), many people wouldnt ever get a warm meal .
Those of us who have no family or friends to cook for us and dont have PA's to do it every day have little choiuce other than to have some in our freezers to use when we cant cook and theres no one to do it for us..however bad they are for us.
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Those of us who have no family or friends to cook for us and dont have PA's to do it every day have little choiuce other than to have some in our freezers to use when we cant cook and theres no one to do it for us..however bad they are for us.
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Thats not always the case Rob, I was in a high speed RTA and when you are injured and disabled perminantly the deppression hits you like a big wall and your existing life is over, whatever or who ever you are is gone and you have to learn to make a new life from whats leftover, clinical deppression is very common after life changing accidents but you hide it from everyone, includidng the people nearest to you until you breakdown.
OK, this is no doubt the case, but was it the processed foods that led up to your crash?
I was trying to prove that the link with not eating fresh frood on a daily bases has no future effect on depression, because, i am sure, if we all had the ability to eat fresh food at the same price/effort as a microwave meal, we would all choose this.
i know i cant cater for every eventuality in 1 paragraph, and i am sorry for this.
i dont think fast food was the cause of your depression either, and while yours was caused undoubtidly by the effects of the accident, it dont change my opinion that the cluster group who had no diagnosed depression at timeline point A but he did have diagnosed depression at point B AND who eat processed foods didn't either
a) already have the beginnings of this
b) have lower energy than the group who did not
c) prolly have worse lifestyle (no relation to cook etc)This is a reply to this message.
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yes it IS odd isnt it that though a big part of why I get DLA is because I cant prepare and cook a meal safely I dont get anywhere near enough money to employ someone to do it regularly.. and social services wont give me direct payments for " care " , just for " social inclusion "..
So on a bad day I cant cook, i cut myself trying to cut tomatoes and cucumber for my sandwich and burm myself on the kettle with no help ive little choice but to bung something in the micro wave,
On a better day I tend to make vast quantities of soup and cassarole in the slowcooker to freeze so I can have my own instomeals, but there are still lots of times when bunging foodthat I know isnt good for me in the microwave.
should a doctor ever comment to me about my diet either ill burst in to very wet blubbery tears all over his consulting room, or politely ask that he talksto social services on my behalf about it.
Problem is they dont work together Im pretty depressed at themoment and tho hes lovely and really is doing his best to help at no stage has he suggested he talks to them about it to see if together they could help me get well.
ah welll ... Fooood glorious fooooood !This is a reply to this message.
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The danger of processed foods is in the additives. There are many chemicals that are added to food to make it look better, taste better, last longer and all sorts of things like texture and consistency. These are called E numbers.
www.eatwell.gov.uk/f...
The point is, not all of these are tested on humans and the effects are unknown. What is known is that some people react to the chemicals. My own son was very hyperactive when he was about four years old, we had a difficult time with him until a friend suggested that we cut out any processed food whatsoever. We did this, it just means not eating anything tinned or in packets and his behaviour calmed down. We learned that dye is put into processed peas to make them greener and this can cause small kids to become hyperactive.
So it isn't a myth that chemicals in food can cause problems. If someone eats a lot of a certain type or combination of types it might have a bad effect.This is a reply to this message.
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Everything is a chemical. Everything that exists on planet earth comes from planet earth and in that sense it is natural. E-numbers include some very natural products like vinegar and vitamin C, it's not all big bad nasties. People like to think they can draw a nice line and say "home cooked good, big corporation bad" but it really isn't that simple.
Everything has a level at which it is safe, for some things that level is zero, for others very high. Just because something can be bad in high quantities doesn't make it something we should avoid - oxygen is a good example, oxygen is highly poisonous.
You can fill a home-cooked meal with salt, butter and cream if you choose to. I do a mean cheese and bacon quiche that is a walking heart attack.
If we didn't have preservatives we would have ridiculously priced food that none but the rich would afford and people would still be dying in the streets of undernutrition and malnutrition. It's really not that simple to say that these things are big and bad and should be taken away. What would happen? Who among us can shop for new ingredients and prepare fresh food daily and afford to pay twice as much for it?
I don't like a number of "additives" if you will, because they disguise a nasty-looking grey and tasteless dish as looking good to the eye, so you take it home and find it's a nasty-looking grey dish with no taste! They are misleadingly represented, but I don't think ooooh, chemicals.
Nor do I like lots of salt in my food, not because the salt police have got to me (in any case my BP is too low, I have been advised to try to take in more salt!) but because again it disguises bad food, but mostly because it tastes *awful*. Who the heck is out there thinking this is a correct amount of salt? They say they put it in because consumers demand it at taste tests, but surely they can't be a representative sample? Anyway, it's a whole heck of a lot easier to add salt at the table than to take it out of a ready meal! If people are genuinely that lazy/disabled/away from home then strap some salt in a sachet into the meal.
My biggest confusion is from people who classify things into being "natural" and "not natural" and make the most bizarre choices about which is which. Evening Primrose Oil may be a "natural" substance, but is it natural for it to be extracted from the plant by a machine and sealed into little capsules? NO! Salmonella's very natural, though, guess we'd all better have some of that? Oh wait...
I don't mind what they put in food provided it's labelled - and I mean clearly, not this 100% beef business that they are allowed to count fat, skin, ears, I'd rather have not 100% beef and the 5% be breadcrumbs rather than testicles! - and that there remains choice. Sadly we are hemmed in by a cheap supermarket chain on all sides because we are a poor area, so everything is price-driven and they shamelessly reduce quality to keep to low prices. A steak pie is about 32% meat and tastes almost identical to the chicken pie! Both taste of gloop. *sigh*This is a reply to this message.
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we had just had lunch before the crash and we had roast pork and salad sandwiches, the pork was leftover from dinner the night before and just roasted plainly.
My daughter had egg salad sandwiches because she is vegitarian.
Just plain food on wholemeal bread and its typical of our diets, a small lunch and main meal later in the day and I dont believe that it had any bearing on the crash Rob.
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