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Host: Here is some background information on tonight's
topic: The Plantation of Ulster began in the 17th century when English
and Scottish Protestants settled on land confiscated from the Gaelic
Irish.
Gaelic Ireland was a patchwork of independent kingdoms each ruled
by a chieftain and bound by a common set of legal, social and religious
traditions.
King James I believed that colonising Ulster would quell rebellion
and win over the 'rude and barbarous Irish' to 'civility' and Protestantism.
The legacy of the Plantation has haunted Irish political, cultural
and social life ever since.
Dr John McCavitt is a teacher at Abbey Grammar
School in Newry, Co.Down and has contributed to the BBCi Ulster
Plantation website. He has recently published a book entitled 'Flight
of the Earls'.
Sharon asks: Do we know whose idea the Plantation
was?
Dr John McCavitt: It is often believed that the
Plantation of Ulster was the brain child of Sir Arthur Chichester,
Lord Deputy of Ireland at the time. In reality, if Chichester had
been responsible for the scheme, it would have taken on a substantial
different complexion.
Often compared unfavourably to Oliver Cromwell in the eyes of Irish
nationalists it is ironic that Chichester's scheme, if implemented
would have left quite a bit more land inthe hands of Ulster Catholics.
The main person in actual fact responsible for the Plantation was
a man called Sir John Davies, poet and jurist. It was Davies who
advocated a policy of wholesale Plantation by Protestants in Ulster.
Davies was supported by King James I who approached the Plantation
of Ulster with a "missionary zeal" believing that he was
taking part in a grand social experiment, as indeed he was.
Malward asks: How can we determine if our ancestors
are original Irish or Scottish planters? Is there a registrar of
names?
Dr John McCavitt:This is a difficult question to
answer. Basically for a family search to take place a professional
genealogist would be required to answer specific questions of this
nature.
But just in general terms, it could be pointed out that although
surnames are often a guide to our ancestors, they should not always
be taken as such.
For example, it is often stated that Ken Magennis' surname is closer
to original Irish than Martin McGuinness.
Another good example is Terence O'Neill former Prime Minister of
NI who is descended from the famous O'Neill clan in Ulster. There
is more cross breeding in Ulster's history than people imagined.
Jason: What effects did the plantation have on
the Irish population at the time?
Dr John McCavitt: There is some dispute whether
the Plantation of Ulster had a benign or a malign effect on the
Irish population of Ulster.
Following the Flight of the Earls in 1607, Lord Deputy Chichester
proposed to give the Catholic populace of Ulster a substantial stake
in the new settlement, hoping that support for the exiled Lords
would evaporate.
In reality, somewhere between a quarter and fifth of the confiscated
land in Ulster was returned to local inhabitants.
This deeply embittered them. Added to this, was religious persecution
and profound cultural change.
For example, people were often forced to drop the "O"
and "Mac" from surnames. Thus, we think of the surname
Murphy as an "Irish" surname when in fact people were
known as MacMurphy at the time.
Joe asks: Would you say that the Plantation was
a success from a British point of view?
Dr John McCavitt: The intention of the Ulster Plantation
was to neuter the menace of revolt in Ulster forever. The hope was
that so many Protestants would settle in Ulster that a rebellion
by the "native" population would never again occur.
The Plantation was allocated 3 years for fulfillment. By that yardstick,
the Plantation was a failure in it's early years. Subsequent experience
until 1640 demonstrated that the Plantation took a much firmer route.
The Plantation was unable to prevent the 1641 rebellion in Ulster
but it was sufficiently strong to withstand it.
Therefore Ulster, and Ireland remained under English control at
a time when English hegemony was seriously threatened.
Perhaps it could be said that the answer to this question is a very
mixed one from a British point of view.
Sean asks: Was the plantation the cause of the
1641 rebellion?
Dr John McCavitt: Like so many other questions
in Irish history the issue of the 1641 rebellion is a very complex
one.
Many historians emphasise the short term causes of the rebellion,
the economic difficulties of the "native" Irish in Ulster,
the prospects of more severe persecution at the hands of an ascendant
Parliamentarian party in England.
Indeed, a case has been advanced that the so called "rebels"
of 1641 were rising in support of the King Charles I in Ulster.
Many of the English Protestant settlers in Ulster were believed
to be supporters of Cromwell and Parliament.
However, it is my own view that the vicious nature of the violence
in 1641 which resulted in thousands of Protestants being massacred
in cold blood is more linked to lingering bitterness with the Plantation
of Ulster.
Dr John McCavitt: A generation of the manhood of
Catholic Ulster had been lost owing to a policy of transportation
instituted in 1609 which resulted in some six thousand men being
transported to Sweden.
There had also been a dearth of weapons in Ulster as a result of
the "de-commissiong" policy in Ulster which had been implemented
in 1605. With the Flight of the Earls in 1607, many of the leaders
of Catholic Ulster had fled to exile.
By 1640, there was a new pool of manhood new weapons available as
well as a new leadership, led by Owen Roe O'Neill who returned from
the Continent. Owen Roe was the nephew of Hugh O'Neill Earl of Tyrone.
Shai asks: Is there any evidence of the Ulster
Plantation today?
Dr John McCavitt: The Ulster Plantation encompassed six
of the historic nine counties in Ulster - Armagh, Tyrone, Londonderry,
Fermanagh, Cavan, Donegal. The unofficial Plantation of Ulster comprised
the counties of Antrim and Down.
"Private" settlement had been occuring here from 1603.
As experience would have it, Protestant settlement was most dense
in the East. Gradually becoming less dense the further West.
Thus at the time of Partition in 1921, it was the western counties
such as Donegal that was not included in the new Northern Ireland
because it's population was predominantly Catholic.
Within NI, there are also settlement patterns which reflect the
mould of the Plantation of Ulster.
In areas that were known as precincts granted to English and Scottish
settlers, it was stipulated in the conditions of the Ulster Plantation
that the Catholic Irish popuulation was to be totally removed.
This did not always happen in practice, but the fact that north
Armagh is predominantly Protestant reflects the fact that a certain
degree of "segregation" has resulted.
Kate asks: Why was the Ulster plantation the one
that survived?
Dr John McCavitt: It is one of the great ironies
of Irish history that Ulster, the last bastion of Gaelic Ireland
has turned out to become the most "British" part of Ireland.
To some extent this is a testimony to the fact that the Ulster Irish
proved the toughest nut to crack for the English. Ulster was known
as the "fountain head" of rebellion.
Owing to the fact that the military strength of the Ulster clan
had proven to be so powerful the English government wished to ensure
that it's military potential was suppressed forever.
Therefore Ulster was to be the area chosen for the most ambitious
Plantation project undertaken in Ireland.
Plantations were also implemented in other areas such as County
Wexford, but these were much smaller scale affairs, influenced not
least by the practical difficulties of the establishing such a large
scale project in Ulster.
Evelyn asks: Why were the Scots such a major part
of it?
Dr John McCavitt: Scots and English settlers were
granted almost an identical share of the land in the Ulster Plantation.
This resulted from the fact that James VI of Scotland became James
I of England on the death of Queen Elizabeth I in 1603. James I
was under pressure from Scottish suitors for a share in the rich
pickings on offer. The fact that so much land was granted to the
Scots was the source of great bitterness to Englishmen. It was the
English who had lost thousands and thousands of men suppressing
the great rebellion of Hugh O'Neill and his allies in the north
(the 9 years war 1594-1603) English officers had hoped that they
would have been the primary beneficiaries of any Plantation in Ulster.
The Scots just happened to have their King in London at just the
right time.
For more information on the Ulster Plantation visit:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/education/history/index.shtml
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