Breakage, aka James Boyle, praises dubstep's success
Step back a couple of years and Breakage and Magnetic Man's Benga were having a conversation about the commercial potential of their first love - dubstep.
"I remember half joking and saying if this keeps moving the way it's moving this could be house music big," smiles Breakage. "Three years later…"
Yes, three years later dubstep is now resolutely mainstream.
It features on one of YouTube's most popular music channels, it's a main staple of Radio 1's playlist and dubstep DJs headline summer festivals.
Breakage, whose journey started out by making drum and bass more than a decade ago, is one of those artists enjoying the ride.
But he says dubstep hasn't been diluted during its rise in popularity, at least not by his peers.
"Everyone who makes it is still passionate about what they do," he explains. "People aren't forcing themselves to make big daytime radio hits."
Breakage has enjoyed success this year after collaborating with London singer Jess Mills on the track Fighting Fire.
"Obviously you set out to make a track to the best of your ability but you never expect that. In actual fact I thought it would scare a lot of people off," laughs Breakage.
"It was a really good response for such a strange tune."
It's given him the impetus to open the door to the next stage of his career. He plans on creating a more visual live show, producing other artists and recording his third album.
He's also one of the first numbers tapped into the phones of record label A&R men when they're looking for a successful remix.
In 2010 he helped launch British singer Clare Maguire with a slow motion, rumbling remodel of Ain't Nobody.
And he's tinkered with tunes for Plan B, Florence & The Machine and David Guetta.
"I didn't really realise when you do remixes that no matter who the artist is they seem to have to OK it."
While we won't reveal the guests he's preparing for his own new music, nor who has asked for his production assistance ("in case it doesn't happen") you can expect to hear much more from Breakage.
Mainly because he doesn't like taking any time off.
"Breaks are really boring. At the moment in the studio I'm obsessing over a bleep and I still can't find it," he said.