Very different ideas about Europe

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The popular German tabloid Bild asked today: "Is Britain destroying the EU?" The headline reflects the unease felt across Europe over David Cameron's promise to re-negotiate its EU membership.

Europe now knows what it long suspected: many in Britain have a completely different vision of the EU than those on the continent. David Cameron's European idea is of a flexible, pragmatic union that focuses on trade. The question he asks is: can the EU, as it is currently structured, deliver prosperity? In the rest of Europe they believe that closer integration will build the European dream.

Officials in Brussels said that Cameron was offering a "pick and mix Europe". His vision was for a Europe "a la carte", where countries chose what they liked and disliked.

The German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle said "cherry picking was not an option". There was a similar reaction from the French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius. "We can't have Europe a la carte," he said. "Imagine the EU was a football club; once you've joined up and you're in this club you can't then say you want to play rugby."

As regards trying to repatriate powers to Westminster, the President of the European Parliament, Martin Schulz, said it would be a "drawn out and cumbersome negotiation" involving long and complex procedures. The head of the German European Affairs Committee Gunther Krichbaum said the "EU was not a multiple choice event". He compared re-negotiation to "opening Pandora's box".

No special case

The German foreign minister went out of his way to say that he hoped the UK would continue to play an "active" and "constructive" role in the EU. He offered a concession: he agreed that not everything decided in Brussels needed to remain at a European level. He signalled that Germany would support some regulations returning to the member states.

Here's the dilemma. There are several states which believe that some measures, currently operated at EU level, could be returned to national governments. Any adjustments, however, they insist must include all 27 members. There is little support for Britain being treated as a special case. The problem for David Cameron is that he is fighting for a complete overhaul of Britain's relationship with Europe, not a tinkering at the edges.

The question I heard asked time and again today was what would the prime minister do if he felt he wasn't winning enough concessions. Might he recommend leaving the EU if he didn't get a good deal? A German MP said he thought this negotiation risked "paralysing the EU for years". One German minister was asked about the risk of Britain blackmailing other states to win further opt-outs. He declined to answer. So there is great uncertainty as to what these next years will bring.

One other unknown. It is far from clear whether the German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, will push for a major revision of the treaties in 2015. If she doesn't, that will make Britain's task of re-negotiating far more difficult.

There are divided views in Europe about the referendum. One senior EU official said he welcomed Britain finally deciding whether it wanted to be in or out of Europe. "Let's settle it once and for all," he said. Others said a referendum was "highly risky". Voters might decide to punish the government by voting to leave the EU.

There were lots of statements about how much Europe needs the UK - but not at any price. Some officials welcomed David Cameron's positive remarks about the EU. However, ultimately David Cameron's vision for the EU - a flexible, adaptable union - is not widely shared.

The German foreign minister said: "We do not need less Europe but more integration."

Nothing said today can avoid the reality that Britain and much of the EU have very different ideas about the future of the union.

What is clear is that Britain will face a difficult and uphill battle if and when it starts to re-negotiate its membership.

Gavin Hewitt Article written by Gavin Hewitt Gavin Hewitt Europe editor

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    Comment number 592.

    586 zipperty

    "If we had been in the Euro now"

    So why is the pound plummeting against the euro?

    Corruption and false representation to join the union did for Greece.

    Spanish property crash? Too much reliance on housing and tourism but my property in England has 'crashed' by over 20%.

    Not too rosy especially as we are about to lose our XXX rating and the City has lost its reputation.

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    Comment number 591.

    "@quietoaktree: Do you have any idea how ridiculous talking about "serfdom" as if anything like actual serfdom existed in modern Britain it makes you look?"
    You are talking to a man who spent time in Greece during the military junta he'd have you know.

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    Comment number 590.

    @quietoaktree: Do you have any idea how ridiculous talking about "serfdom" as if anything like actual serfdom existed in modern Britain it makes you look? It's either self-pitying hyperbole or complete ignorance of what the word actually means.
    In any case, in the the US the capital's inhabitants have no representation in Congress, while Londoners have representation in Parliament.

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    Comment number 589.

    's was for a Europe "a la carte", where countries chose what they liked and disliked.
    And what's so wrong with countries choosing?. And even better people in those countries choosing? All the best clubs have a la carte menus (as the PM no doubt knows). Why does the EU persist on offering only the set menu du jour without even a vegetarian option? Dining a la EUSSR

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    Comment number 588.

    Unless you are in the top 10% you (we) are in for a right royal S******G.

    We cannot avoid it. It is a question of who we want to do it.

    Our own politicians may be slightly more gentle than an unelected Eurocrat (I hate the word but it seems to be the in thing to say).

    Viz Greece certainly and to an extent Italy.

    At least we can vote them out and put their clones in instead.

    Wonderful prospect

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    Comment number 587.

    "Get the powers beck from Brussels" - sounds like a line from a harry potter novel. cameron rehearsing for the role of harry? the blond dude? maybe one of the fat dudes, the blond's "bodyguards?"

  • rate this

    Comment number 586.

    To all of you who want closer integration with Europe.

    If we had been in the Euro now, and which is what closer integration eventually implies, we would not only have been standing in the cart up to our necks, we would have been turned upside down and on our head by now.

    We are a Greece basket case with a Spanish property crash to come.

    Our saviour if we have one will be us, not the EU

  • rate this

    Comment number 585.


    "...Feudalism & serfdom..."


    What we have now is in many ways worse than feudalism. Under that, almost everyone had some form of land tenure and could support themselves, albeit in return for various forms of service to their lord, military or otherwise.

    Now we have millions of utterly dispossessed, entirely dependent on crumbs from employers, or conditional benefits.

  • rate this

    Comment number 584.

    12 Minutes ago
    "French newspaper views on Cameron."
    I regularly contribute on forums of French news and find that more than half of the contributions very much identify with the British view point despite French media attempting to shape their opinions otherwise..

  • rate this

    Comment number 583.

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    Comment number 582.

    Re: 547.ScottishMario

    I accept that some opponments of the "EU" are racist. I am not and I have never heard racist comments from UKIP supporters, members or M"EP"s

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    Comment number 581.

    578.Surely not
    "However, if Scotland frees itself we are looking at the nightmare scenario of rampant, unchecked, toryism."
    Scotland is not going anywhere but if it did, then the centre politics of Westminster would be marginally more to the right than it is now with the same two major parties fighting for the now more to the right middle ground.

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    Comment number 580.

    578. Surely not

    However, if Scotland frees itself we are looking at the nightmare scenario of rampant, unchecked, toryism.

    They are nasty, incompetent and dangerous.

    Who the Tory's or the Scots ?..

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    Comment number 579.

    "The soldiers during the English civil war were soldiers following orders on pain of death. It was not an expression of public will".

    Tendentious and unhistorical. That war was fought as much on religious as political issues. There was no such thing as "public will" as we understand it. The nearest thing to democrats were the Levellers but even they have no real counterpart

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    Comment number 578.


    I was demonstrating we are very much part of Europe

    Personally, I'd prefer far fewer national and international politicians

    However, if Scotland frees itself we are looking at the nightmare scenario of rampant, unchecked, toryism.

    They are nasty, incompetent and dangerous

    Europe will continue to develop ever more in all sorts of guises. It's not linear, and I just don't fear it

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    Comment number 577.


    Can`t answer what for her Majesty signed, but are you sure ?
    Polish pilots at the Battle of Britain ? loads of them.
    What would have happened to the Irishman at Waterloo without Blucher ? "Dammed closer run thing"
    How do you feel about the French Vikings invasion in 1066
    One in the eye for Harold
    Welsh Celts originate ? Iberian peninsular

    We are Europe. With distinctive historys

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    Comment number 576.

    575.Surely not
    "Polish pilots at the Battle of Britain ?"
    I don't believe this stands as a coherent argument for the UK remaining in the EU for ever more.

    "How do you feel about the French Vikings invasion in 1066 followed by the genocide ?"
    Also irrelevant.

    "We are Europe."
    And soon it may be were.

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    Comment number 575.


    It turns out your 'queen' not only signed up to the EU but earns millions from it in land subsidies.

    By the way

    Polish pilots at the Battle of Britain ?

    What would have happened to the Irishman at Waterloo without Blucher ?

    How do you feel about the French Vikings invasion in 1066 followed by the genocide ?

    Where did the Welsh Celts originate ?

    We are Europe.

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    Comment number 574.

    569 Phfft

    "can you explain why posts are disappearing?"

    After some consideration I believe it depends on who is on duty monitoring this blog. Sometimes everything seems to pass, others constant interference. It seems much worse on Mark's American blog - do they get more complaints and demands to censor? Unless libellous I believe people can make up their own minds.

    PS No offence taken

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    Comment number 573.

    Perhaps Bild is more your style? 3.5m circulation, topless model on the cover. Todays 'story' is on the UK:

    …drink stale beer +++ drive on the wrong side+++ black pudding, Marmite and vinegar and chips +++ their electrical plugs +++ they don't use the metric system +++ currywurst tastes better than fish and chips +++ debts+++ bagpipes

    I guess thats what passes for "informed" in Germany.


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