Viewpoints: How experts see UK role in EU

 

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How does the UK fit into the EU's plans for closer economic and political integration?

Many British MPs want Prime Minister David Cameron to call an "in or out" referendum and opinion polls suggest many British voters are disillusioned with the EU.

BBC News asked some prominent European politicians and analysts for their views on the UK's role in the EU and whether it would make sense for the UK to leave.

Martin Schulz, president of European Parliament and German MEP

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Martin Schulz

In a globalised world, the UK would risk so much going it alone”

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The UK should remain part of the EU, but at the same time, the UK should not preach to other EU member states from the sidelines without being fully engaged in the process.

UK membership is in the British and European interest. The single market benefits the British economy hugely and the EU remains by far the biggest destination for UK trade, accounting for almost 50% of total exports.

Nevertheless, the UK has secured opt-outs or opt-ins in areas including the euro, Schengen and justice/home affairs. This shows that the UK is not comfortable with everything the EU does and in many areas remains a reluctant partner.

As for a possible referendum on EU membership - that would be up to the British government to decide. It is nevertheless clear that the UK has to make up its mind as to whether European integration is a project it wants to be fully engaged in, and is in the British interest, or whether it should observe from the sidelines. The UK's support for deeper integration of the eurozone is welcome, but some could see it as preaching from outside.

Martin Schulz

  • President of European Parliament since January 2012
  • Leader of centre-left Socialists and Democrats bloc of MEPs

On the EU budget, I totally disagree with the UK point of view. Like the UK, the rest of the EU wants to boost economic growth and develop a low-carbon economy. The EU budget in fact finances research and development, environmental protection, development aid and the digital economy, which are all priorities for the UK government. The EU budget is in fact an investment tool for the whole EU.

In a globalised world, the UK would risk so much going it alone. Its influence would decline and it would be separated from its closest geographic and political allies in continental Europe. We need to see a Britain engaged with its European partners.

Herve Mariton, French conservative MP

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Herve Mariton

The logic of the eurozone is federalism, we had better admit it now”

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Playing with the idea of a referendum is dangerous - many people think they can speak about it, but what might happen is that the UK gets out without people realising what is happening, without all the consequences being totally analysed.

If more topics are decided on a eurozone basis, in time, the UK will have to acknowledge that it left without people taking a clear decision.

On repatriation of powers from Brussels my position is similar to the UK Government's in some respects - I do not share the same topics [with the UK], but yes some topics can be repatriated to national level. I believe in subsidiarity - things should be dealt with at the best level possible.

As far as possible, things should be done at national or local level. Take environmental issues - water policy, for example, has a big impact on the budget and here many competences should be sent back to national level. When the Rhine floods it is logical to have European intervention. But EU directives do not only deal with transnational matters - there is also flooding which has no international dimension, and then one may wonder what the EU has to do with it.

Herve Mariton

  • Politician in conservative UMP, represents mountainous southern Drome region
  • Minister for overseas territories in 2007

Or take the return of the wolf to the French Alps - the EU says you cannot kill more than a certain number. What on Earth has Europe to do with how French farmers have to deal with wolves in the French mountains? That is not a European issue.

I think the logic of the eurozone is federalism, we had better admit it now. That will make us organise the checks and balances necessary in any democracy. The current situation is very dangerous. I believe the UK is getting more isolated in Europe. I do not know many countries that want the EU to be just a trade zone.

Emma Bonino, vice-president of Italian Senate

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Emma Bonino

By replacing membership with a free trade agreement would Britain be better off? Do not count on it”

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The UK is not the only EU country to strive for referendums on Europe or for powers to be repatriated from Brussels. It is certainly the most vocal and, by far, the most obstinate - to the point at times of being in complete denial of its national interests. This denial may well materialise if the UK were to push the looming [EU] budget confrontation to breaking point. Do not expect other leaders to come to the rescue, in wrecking or paralysing the EU.

Some facts and figures:

  • Roughly half of UK exports go to the EU
  • Every UK household "earns" between £1,500 and £3,500 per annum thanks to the Single Market (SM)
  • 33,000 people work for the European Commission, compared to 82,000 who work for UK Revenue and Customs
  • Only 6.8% of UK primary legislation and 14.1% of secondary legislation have anything to do with implementing EU obligations - not EU diktats - agreed to, approved of and signed off by UK officials

A few arguments:

Emma Bonino

  • Vice-president of Italy's Senate (upper house)
  • A leading member of liberal Italian Radicals
  • 2006-2008 - Italian minister of European affairs and trade
  • 1995-1999 - EU commissioner for health and consumer protection
  • By replacing membership with a free trade agreement would Britain be better off? Don't count on it. Any agreement would have a price: ask Norway or Switzerland about their contributions to EU cohesion funds for the privilege of accessing the SM
  • When speaking to China or the US, would the UK's voice be better heard in isolation? Speaking on behalf of London while shaping decisions in Brussels definitely carries more weight
  • Is UK suspicion of federalism well founded? Frankly it is hard to imagine a European superstate with a budget of just over 1% of EU countries' GDP

Britain has a lot of leverage in Europe. It is up to its leaders to decide how best to use it. For instance, is the UK not keen on some EU foreign policy priorities and on deepening the SM? Well, a British commissioner runs the EU diplomatic service and Britain certainly is not alone in wanting to preserve the SM.

Ulf Sverdrup, head of Norwegian Institute of International Affairs

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Ulf Sverdrup

The Norwegian model, shared with Iceland and Liechtenstein, is complex and costly”

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A UK exit from the EU is perhaps unlikely, but even discussion of the alternatives is unfortunate, both for Europe and the UK.

For the EU, a constructive and influential UK has always been a strong asset. At its best, the UK has been able to set a course for Europe and has brought in valuable perspectives, methods and approaches.

The European debate in the UK is also potentially destructive for the UK. Rather than discussing how to ensure the UK's interests in Europe, the debate, it seems, is exaggerating the significance of formal ties to the EU.

The real lesson to be learned from, for instance, Norway as a non-member is perhaps that for a modern European country with an open economy there is no escaping the gravity of European integration.

Ulf Sverdrup

  • Director of Norwegian Institute of International Affairs think tank
  • 2000-2011 - Senior researcher at Arena Centre for European Studies, University of Oslo

The alternatives to formal membership for the UK are also difficult to imagine. The fundamental logic of the Norwegian model - not wanting to lose the benefits of dealing with Europe, but also knowing that a majority of the electorate is against formal EU membership - might at first sight seem enticing for many in Britain.

But the Norwegian model, shared with Iceland and Liechtenstein, is complex and costly, as well as problematic in terms of democracy and national interest. From a Norwegian standpoint the model is bearable, even if it comes at a high price in terms of democracy. But Norway is a small and rather rich country with limited ambitions to influence European policy. The Norwegian solution to Europe is not one that I would recommend for others.

Derk-Jan Eppink, conservative Belgian MEP

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Derk Jan Eppink

If the EU is united on something the European bureaucracy will punish the UK because it left and gave up”

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From the perspective of a Dutchman elected in Belgium it is very important to have the UK in the EU, because economic liberalism would be dead on the continent without the UK in it. If the UK were not there it would be dominated by German corporatism and French statism. There would be more protectionism.

I worry about developments in the eurozone, I am not sure if it is going in the right direction. Is it integration or actually schemes to move more money from north to south? I think the eurozone is still in the danger zone.

The UK is using this crisis as momentum to talk about a new relationship with the EU, to get some powers repatriated - I agree with that, because Brussels is trying do too many things at the same time. We should have a broad debate about the powers that Brussels has, what it should do.

The EU should focus on the single market, international trade, the environment and foreign policy. I am worried about a fiscal union - it will create a transfer economy in the eurozone, with one part permanently subsidising the other part, and there is not public support for that.

It is already difficult in the UK if you subsidise Scotland or Wales, but if there is no shared nationhood this support is very thin. You see that in Finland, Germany, the Netherlands - those who have to pay. They are asking serious questions about what is going to happen.

Derk-Jan Eppink

  • Belgian MEP in List Dedecker - member of conservative bloc since 2009
  • 1999-2007 - served as aide to EU commissioners Frits Bolkestein and Siim Kallas
  • Born in Netherlands, worked as reporter on Dutch and Belgian newspapers

The UK is asking the difficult questions - when I ask the same questions in the European Parliament I get the same reaction. They are legitimate, correct questions. Brussels just wants to keep along the same road, and "more Europe". I do not think Britain should be a scapegoat.

Leaving the EU would not be good for the EU or the UK. The EU is by far the biggest trading partner. As for renegotiating a free trade deal with the EU - do not bet on that. If the EU is united on something, the European bureaucracy will punish the UK because it left and gave up - so it will not give a favourable trade deal to the UK.

But a more efficient relationship within the EU? It is good to start negotiating on that, then have a referendum on that settlement. Otherwise it will be very emotional, they all start screaming and there is no focus on the facts.

Hugo Brady, Irish research fellow at Centre for European Reform

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Hugo Brady

We agree with the British on a lot, for example protection of the common law system”

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The UK has a natural rebalancing role between the big countries - it avoids the rush to group-think, it is not afraid to blurt out inconvenient truths at the table, and sometimes its awkwardness is constructive. The Republic of Ireland could not do that.

Ireland is probably top of a number of countries who broadly agree with the UK on 80% of its EU agenda.

On the Anglo-Irish relationship, we were equals in a forum where we both had friends who often did not distinguish between us. The EU partners reminded us we had an awful lot in common as countries. Being equal members of the club allowed the Irish to feel on a par with Britain, not looked down on. For the first time it gave the Irish a sense that both countries were allies.

Also on a day-to-day basis we agree with the British on a lot, for example protection of the common law system. Only two other EU countries use common law - Cyprus and Malta.

Both the UK and Ireland are economically liberal. The UK is an ex-imperial power, while the Irish are more multilateral, big fans of the EU because it is a multilateral forum where the small countries' rights are overseen by the European Commission.

Hugo Brady

  • Research fellow at Centre for European Reform think tank
  • Worked at Department of Foreign Affairs in Ireland and as researcher at Institute for European Affairs in Dublin

If the UK were to leave it would be less comfortable for Ireland. The EU would probably be less economically liberal without Britain, and a fast-developing area of EU law is judicial co-operation, but the UK and Ireland have opt-outs on that. Ireland is actually more conservative, it does not like aspects of judicial co-operation, because there is a movement towards more harmonisation of criminal and civil law.

The UK is Ireland's biggest trading partner and there is a common travel area with the UK. The Irish are very uncomfortable with UK talk of leaving. The euro is irreversible for us and it would be complicated to join a looser trading relationship with the UK.

Radek Sikorski, Polish foreign minister

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Radek Sikorski

I believe your interests, your trade patterns but also your political interests, lie in Europe”

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We hope Britain, with its genius in creating institutions, will help us to create solid European institutions.

Poland's position on the euro is different from Britain's - we have a derogation in time, you have an opt-out. We will ratify the Fiscal Treaty and have the right to be included in those discussions, because we will one day be a member of the euro.

We would like to have Britain on board because Britain is an important country, an important guardian of liberal rules within the common market.

We would be sorry to lose you because we have been friends and allies for many years and we would like to have you contribute.

Radek Sikorski

  • Foreign minister in Poland's centre-right government since 2007
  • 2002-2005 - Researcher at think tanks in Washington DC
  • In 1980s studied at Oxford University, then worked as foreign correspondent for British newspapers

I think it is important to explain to the British people the economic advantages of the EU, but also the political ones. For example, we have just imposed the toughest ever sanctions on Iran, which are having effects. Britain alone could not do it. So the EU is a force-multiplier for all of us, to do things that we cannot do on our own.

I know for example the US tells Britain: you are more valuable to us as an ally as a member of the EU, because you can affect the decisions made in the EU. Tony Blair thought creating a European superpower was a fine goal. David Cameron has said creating Britain as a sort of offshore Switzerland would be contrary to the British national interest.

It would be much better if British politicians made a patriotic, British argument about the usefulness of the EU to Britain, because I believe your interests, your trade patterns but also your political interests, lie in Europe, and we can achieve much more together.

 

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  • rate this
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    Comment number 353.

    332.C Ynic
    "That will be little consolation when millions of jobs are lost and living standards collapse". Are you talking about the UK or Greece/Ireland/Portugal/Spain and next Italy? Yes that bastion of trade the EU putting millions of people out of work so Germany can keep a nicely deflated euro and help its export trade.
    336 Net in 2010 was £9.2, its around £11bil now.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 352.

    The elephant in the room here is China.

    Facts:-
    China is a huge supplier to the EU.
    China has severe human rights problems
    China is the worlds greatest polluter
    China is the source of most counterfeit goods
    China manipulates its currency to so its goods are cheaper than home produced goods.
    China is a communist dictatorship

    Yet for all this the EU is happy to trade with them.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 351.

    We should be pushing for more trade and business opportunities and removing red tape and barriers to trade, we should be pushing for serious cut backs in EU funding and blatant waste of our hard earned money and restrictions in what we can and cannot do as a sovereign state with regard to immigration and movement of peoples.If we cannot make massive changes then we should look for an exit.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 350.

    #281.JasonEssex
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    At least I rattled your cage ,..HYS is all about.
    UK is fine (I lived UK 20 years now Switz)- Great people, pubs etc - Just the ruling class I have issue with. Make you work long hours, give low pay & still brainwash people to be patriotic (ie accept being poor & even fight to keep them rich, as USA does) Take your country back & give the real people power ..that`s all,

  • rate this
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    Comment number 349.

    @323. steve
    So not only do the English subsidize these countries through Westminster they also do it via Brussels. And the Scots still want independence?
    The business with Ireland is not the result of being in the EU (China still sells more to Ireland than we do). Exporting to China isn't the preserve of those in the EU, out of it we will be cheaper (less tax to pay generally)

  • rate this
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    Comment number 348.

    If you want UK out of the EU, the only way to do this is to get rid of Labour, Liberal and the Tories at the next general election. It's the only way.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 347.

    313. Ginger Ferrit
    To those complaining about the bias of the piece.
    There is no bias from the BBC (the journalist wrote 2 tiny paragraphs at the top, detailing what they did!), just bias from those they questioned.

    If you can't distinguish the difference, then I'm not sure I would trust you with a ballot paper!
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    Editors picks?
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    Comment number 346.

    Many people state the reason for staying in the EC as economic. I agree but those reasons are based on a free trade zone not some quasi political union run by unelected bureaucrats. Take the EU back to the trade union it was always suppose to be - look at EFTA and NAFTA. Issues arise out of it morphing into something no-one really wants, due to the insanity of the Euro.

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    Comment number 345.

    There are benefits to remaining in the EU as the UK can still influence policy. However, there has to be drastic changes within the EU itself in the way decisions are made and the degree of power the EU wields. Too much interference in UK decision making from the EU does not help plus, the EU is still not a level playing field with certain countries being penalised more than others.

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    Comment number 344.

    311. politicrat Switzerland has one of the finest military capabilities in the world.

    308. Mr Germany Why waste time on a lost cause.

    300. SuperJulianR True - and yet the EU still keeps trying to be a super power - sounds familiar.

    297. unsureaboutanything Realign asap with BRIC and emerging markets.

    302. C Ynic Unfortunately true and the U.K. should aspire to their model.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 343.

    ".Dr Bob Matthews
    We are a small nearly bankrupt country (mostly due to supporting US wars) "

    Care to back up that ludicrous statement with figures? I'll start. We spend just 2.7% of GDP in TOTAL on military spending. Look forward to seeing your facts (p.s. facts aren't things you make up in your head)

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/08/defence-spending-military

  • rate this
    +2

    Comment number 342.

    Just a point on the BBC bias, has anyone noticed the editors picks?

  • rate this
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    Comment number 341.

    The EU is like Venice, slowly sinking and with everyone trying to save it because, supposedly, everyone wants to see it saved.

    Venitians, just like the EU beaurocrats, spend a large part of their lives wading through sewage and bailing out.

    And like Venice, worth a look but then leave, having found the costs outweigh the experience.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 340.

    Herve Mariton sums it all up with his opening paragraph “Playing with the idea of a referendum is dangerous..." Translated this means “The people are too stupid to decide. We know what's best for them. They must fund us doing what is best for them with their taxes”. This is what the EU is all about - unelected, clueless buffoons driving Europe into the abyss and taking us with them.

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    Comment number 339.

    321.Dr Bob Matthews
    6 Minutes ago
    "We partially join a club and then like a spoil child threaten to leave when the club won't change the rules to suit us." I think we got tired of slavishly obeying the rules which other members just ignored. Then, when we try to behave in the same way, we get punished.

  • rate this
    +2

    Comment number 338.

    Most of us are NOT anti-EU.....we are against intrusive and often 'loony/stupid' EU rulings that adversely effect this country.
    We want to see the EU running its finances CORRECTLY and ACCOUNTING for ANY misappropriation of funds. WE want to know where ALL the money goes.
    The idea that Spain/Greece etc can put more money into the 'pot' this year is typical of what is wrong with the EU.

  • rate this
    +2

    Comment number 337.

    A list of important people given a chance to voice their opinion, but what about the British people being given a chance to voice their opinion?

    If being part of the EU requires a suspension of democracy then what exactly are we part of?

    Let us have a referendum and decide one way or the other, we surely have a right of self determination, don’t we?

  • rate this
    +1

    Comment number 336.

    £4.7 billion net balance with the EU is peanuts! That's less than 0.5% GDP.

    As one of the richer EU members, who have, up to now, done very well from our relationship I feel gratified that we can help poorer members, Greece excluded. Our collective future depends upon all EU economies being strong.

    Referendum? We should wait until the economic upturn. Global recession is clouding our view.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 335.

    Dr. BOob ~ The EU is not a club, it is a dream, poorly instituted and run by a commision who represent a dream constituency called Europe which actually does not exist other than in a mutual begging bowl of 27 member states doing as they please and brawling over scraps of bait. It is a disgusting assemblage that shames those it imposes itself upon in representation. It is a sham to be sorted out.

  • rate this
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    Comment number 334.

    @313. Ginger Ferrit
    You are of course quite wrong. The journalists slected who to speak to and they didnt seem to get the views of any prominent eurosceptics, so of course the peice is unbalanced and biased.

 

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