Viewpoints: What future for the European project?


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The eurozone crisis has triggered much soul-searching about the purpose and relevance of the 27-nation EU.

The phrase "ever closer union" may be anathema to Eurosceptics, but a more federal EU is now being hotly debated, as common economic rules and targets are deemed vital for the euro's survival.

Generally poor turnout in European Parliament elections suggests that many voters struggle to identify with EU issues, including further integration. So are the politicians leaving voters behind? Is the EU democratic enough?

We asked two leading Euro MPs to comment - Guy Verhofstadt, leader of the Liberal Democrat group (ALDE) and a former Belgian prime minister, and Richard Ashworth, head of the British Conservative group in Europe. (You can also watch their debate on the BBC's HARDtalk TV programme - see below.)

GUY VERHOFSTADT, Liberal Democrat leader, European Parliament

Euroscepticism thrives on a basic - often wilful - misunderstanding of the European Union, its history, its institutions, its goals and its working methods.

Guy Verhofstadt, Liberal Democrat leader, European Parliament

National capitals use "Brussels" as a scapegoat for everything that goes wrong, without giving the EU any credit for things that go right.

European elections are treated as national referendums on the government in office, rather than a chance to debate the political choices to deal with continental and global issues like climate change, terrorism, immigration or globalisation.

The eurozone crisis has demonstrated again that no country is an island when it comes to protection from global financial turmoil. Our banking institutions and economies are interdependent and require broader oversight and accountability.

Member states have lacked the political will to reform and modernise their pension systems, labour markets, taxation policies etc. The crisis has been exacerbated by lack of competitiveness and the absence of a genuine fiscal union. There are no quick fixes any more.

EU leaders agreed in June to put in place four building blocks to complete economic and monetary union, including closer supervision of banks, a central budget for the euro area, more convergence of economic policy and a strengthening of democratic accountability. There is some urgency, so politicians must act swiftly and take responsibility for difficult choices.

What voters think of the EU

European election turnout - bar chart
  • Most voters polled think their voice doesn't count in the EU
  • More than a third could not name three EU institutions
  • Majority think EU membership 'a good thing'
  • Democracy and freedom and the euro seen as main components of European identity

Source: Eurobarometer survey for EU Commission (26,622 EU citizens polled by TNS Opinion)

Within three or four years a new treaty will be necessary to legitimise the measures and that will require referendums in some countries. In the meantime, the European Parliament is the best guarantor of transparency and legitimacy and the only EU institution to openly debate and vote on the necessary changes.

The European Parliament has legitimacy through direct elections, but still lacks credibility in the minds of many voters who are less inclined to vote in European Parliament elections than for their national parliaments.

There needs to be a sea-change at all levels of public consciousness. European political parties need to make a real effort to mount EU-wide campaigns, and the prospect of electing the European Commission President would be an incentive to improve turnout, so that voting is seen to have consequences.

The EU was intended to bring together the peoples of Europe, after the devastation of two world wars fuelled by nationalism on the back of economic depression. If we allow these forces to gain a foothold once again we will have wasted a century of building closer ties and condemned history to repeat itself. Federalism is our bulwark against nationalism. It is the best model for addressing the challenges of the 21st Century.

RICHARD ASHWORTH, Leader of UK Conservatives in Europe

Let us be clear about one thing - the crisis which cripples Europe is not in any respect a crisis of democracy. Right now it is not a lack of democracy that is causing the rest of the world to look at Europe with such a combination of dismay, trepidation and alarm.

Richard Ashworth MEP

Fundamental lack of competitiveness lies at the heart of Europe's problems, not lack of democracy. Too many reckless bankers and too many unpaid debts have dragged the European Union into the mire, not too many unelected bodies.

European politicians tend to talk about a democratic deficit without defining exactly what they mean. When they call for action to cure it, they are in reality engaging in another round of displacement therapy. They prefer tinkering at the edges to tackling the real problems - a floundering economy, crumbling competitiveness, the eurozone's north-south divide and Europe's debt mountain.

I'm sure there is some room for improvement in the way the EU relates to voters - the very poor turnout in European elections tells us that. But those who want to forge ahead with their dream of "ever-closer union" in Europe should be warned that the further you shift power and decision-making away from nation states, the more dislocated and uninvolved citizens will feel.

The way to engage voters more fully is for national politicians as well as European candidates to emphasise the important role the European Parliament plays in the EU - not least by holding the unelected European Commission to account.

Some are now calling for an elected Commission. I feel those calls are misguided. Let us not forget that the commissioners are essentially the senior civil servants in the European administration. Would we want an elected civil service in the UK or anywhere else? I should think not.

The Council represents the role of our member states in the EU decision-making process. It is quite right that national governments should wield substantial influence and power - and their democratic legitimacy stems from the fact that they are elected. That will remain true so long as we stay a confederation of nation states and not the European superstate some would seek to create.

Would we want to have three separate elected bodies in Brussels all claiming the greater validity, all claiming to represent the voters and all vying for the upper hand? No - the European Parliament is the one and only directly-elected body in the EU and that is how it should remain. But that means that the EP needs to be more vigorous, more ambitious than it has been so far in driving the reform of the EU as a whole, which is desperately needed.

You can watch the full HARDtalk TV interview with the MEPs on BBC World News on Wednesday 26 September 2012 at 03:30, 08:30, 15:30 and 20:30 GMT.

It also broadcasts on the BBC News Channel in the UK at 04:30 BST on Wednesday 26 September and 00:30 BST on Thursday 27 September 2012. You can download a podcast from the BBC World Service.


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    Comment number 123.

    121. olsa

    The UK never joined a union, it joined a common market. We were just too shortsighted to realise that locality would mean nothing for the future world, and that technology would allow China and others to flog their stuff while our EU 'partners' were building a commonwealth: 'a political community founded for the common good'. We gave up one that could benefit us for one that doesn't.

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    Comment number 122.

    Au contraire, a quick scan of the Eurobarometer survey (link above) suggests support for membership of the EU in the UK went up during 2011/2012 and actualy overtook the "no" vote. The Clearly this can't be a valid survey as it disagrees with the majority opinions expressed here on HYS ;o)

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    Comment number 121.

    Union means 'together' and 'solidarity', now some countries have difficulties, maybe that one day these countries will help those who are paying up today. "Rome" wasn't build in seven days either. As if a single country could compete towards upcoming economical powers like India, South America and China without the help of others. Thinking you can do it all by yourself is naive. Vive l'Europe !

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    Comment number 120.


    "What future for the European project?"

    NONE! Let's get out!


    So, over The Channel, they're all going to stand there, motionless, frozen in time, while the UK population scurry about tugging their forelocks to their employers, landlords and lenders?

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    Comment number 119.

    @105.D Bumstead
    Why should German, Finnish, Austrian or Dutch taxpayers have to pay for debts run up by other countries

    because they joined a currency union, this is the norm in currency unions, especially asymmetric ones, rich areas benefit sunstantially but subtely, poorer areas get poorer unless they're subsidised. Its the same in the UK sterling currency union
    The people should have been told

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    Comment number 118.

    98 MacTurk response to my so called silly comment reading what I said would help I happen to have a 2.1 in EU law so I know a bit about it. Did not say Catalunya wanted out the EU although it would be a unprecedented for independence to occur in the EU and I doubt the EU elites know what to do. My point was I believe there will be a move to smaller states not superstates.

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    Comment number 117.

    The EU is all about two things, Imperialism and power. Unable to act lie imperialistic bully boys on their own, Germany, France and other nations want to use the EU as a conduit by which to have the control they once used war to get. Though we are in the continent of Europe, there is no European cultural identity, it is a myth! Lets have a common market, but lets not cripple Greece like the EU is!

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    Comment number 116.

    Click on the eurobarometer link and see just how much interest the UK citizen has in this - virtually zilch! Also note that the majority of europeans think the EU is a good thing. Sadly this is the first time ever such a statistic has been seen, so for 50 years we thought it not to be a good thing? Back to the drawing board.

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    Comment number 115.

    “Lord, I know the way of man is not in himself; It is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.” For your information Google The World Monetary Order to Come.

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    Comment number 114.

    The whole idea of EU is stupendous. Squeezing taxes from the hard working classes of reasonably rich UK, France and Germany and than giving it to Greece, Portugal and Spain saving their banks, what a pity. People in these countries should hold mass moments and get a promise from their politicians to get a refrendum and scrape this whole united state of eu idea once and for all

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    Comment number 113.

    Oh yes what a brilliant idea. Yes let's go into a federal union with the French, who hate are guts for any number of reasons, the Germans, who look down on us with plain contempt, and the other constellation of states that make "Europe". Lets just forget we have nothing in common with them, save are long lasting emnity. Lets ignore Australia, Canada and New Zealand, despite our shared history.

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    Comment number 112.

    "Well America, Russia and Brazil owe their existance to Europeans"

    No, they definitely existed before we colonised them. There is no reason to suggest that those areas would have remained 'uncivilised' had europeans not invaded and replaced the indigenous population but simply traded with them instead.

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    Comment number 111.

    Seems to me that the European Union idea has always been for the benefit of the establishment,bankers.etc.not the ordinary person.It's ordinary people who are suffering in Greece and Spain.We are not like the United States,so a federal Europe will never work.We all have different languages,different histories,different cultures and long may that continue.

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    Comment number 110.

    109. CommanderMethos

    Yes, cheap availability of money by politicians changing rules and capitalists running in to make a quick buck.

    The internet allows free trade, a bit like the EU was supposed to do. The internet has done this in 20 years, the EU hasn't in 50.
    There's no lakes or mountains, only stock in factories that gets managed if Jo Public moves to 'the next big thing'.

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    Comment number 109.

    you forget that the last boom was extended and thus the bust made worse by the massive amounts of cheap debt. the internet aint going to do sod about that practice.

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    Comment number 108.

    107, This depends on political meddling and hiding behind protectionism. Boom and bust is the butterfly effect endpoint of a politician or bureaucrat altering something, creating a niche and capitalists running in to make a quick buck within that niche.
    Remove political meddling, maintain stability and we improve the world economy. The internet looks like the perfect vehicle for this, not the EU.

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    Comment number 107.

    given the constraints of captalism and what has happened historically in similar situations yes. you can only wait it out. economic fluctuations like this are a sine wave the bigger and longer the growth period the harder the crash.

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    Comment number 106.

    12 Minutes ago
    Thanks for the detailed description of your plan to get Europe out of trouble;
    1. 'Gradual return to growth' - It will just happen right? As if by magic. Care to expand on how?
    2. 'There is nothing that can be done' - Really? Nothing at all? Nothing can be done but we'll return to growth anyway? Just like that?
    3. 'It will take a while'. Change is slow right?

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    Comment number 105.

    @101 Why should German, Finnish, Austrian or Dutch taxpayers have to pay for debts run up by other countries- debts for which they are NOT responsible and had no way of influencing? What you want means a permanent bleeding of Northern Europe to prop up the South, to pay for their follies. Vampires indeed!

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    Comment number 104.

    @phil space. The economys recovery will happen in the same way it has after previous reccesions by a gradual return to growth. there is nothing that can be done to speed up this process aside from the opening of a new untapped market. the only place left on earth that can happen is in africa which is far to unstable at this point in time. short awnser it will take a while so stop whining.


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