France imposes first niqab fines
Several European countries have banned - or intend to ban - the wearing of the niqab in public
Two French Muslim women who continue to wear the full-face veil in defiance of a new law banning it in France have been issued fines by a court.
Hind Ahmas and Najate Nait Ali were arrested wearing the niqab in public outside Meaux town hall, eastern Paris, soon after the law came in in May.
The women say they will appeal against their punishment all the way to the European Court of Human Rights.
Meanwhile another woman said she would stand for president in her niqab.
Thursday's sentencing in Meaux was closely followed not just in France but right across Europe, says the BBC's Christian Fraser in Paris.
Belgium, Italy, Denmark, Austria, the Netherlands and Switzerland all have - or are planning - similar legislation.
Assault claimsDivorced mother Hind Ahmas, 32, a mother-of-three, was fined 120 euros (£104) by the court.
Analysis
Secular France has a complicated relationship with religion. In recent years there has been a long-running debate on how far it is willing to go to accommodate Islam, without undermining the long-standing tradition of separating church and state.
The bill that was passed in April had overwhelming cross-party support and was popular in polls across the country.
It has proved equally popular in other nations. Those who support the bill say the fundamental part of integrating into Western society is showing your face.
Before the hearing she said she was hoping a fine would be imposed, to enable her to challenge it.
"Without a condemnation I can't move forward. There has to be this sanction with a fine so that I can take this to the European Court of Human Rights. It's imperative that there's a sanction," she said.
Najate Nait Ali was fined 80 euros.
They become the first of 91 women stopped by French police to be handed a fine.
Ahmas's parents were not strict Muslims. She told the BBC she put on the niqab for the first time six years ago as an educated single woman.
She claims she once wore mini-skirts and liked to party before she rediscovered her faith.
Some Muslim groups say since the ban was introduced in April a number of women have been assaulted both verbally and physically by members of the public.
Exceptions to ban on public face covering
- Motorcycle helmets
- Face-masks for health reasons
- Face-covering for sporting or professional activities
- Sunglasses, hats etc which do not completely hide the face
- Masks used in "traditional activities", such as carnivals or religious processions
Source: Radio France International
Hind Ahmas told the BBC she had been punched in the face.
These two women would most likely have to exhaust the appeals process in France - which can take considerable time - before they can hope to test the legislation in the European court in Strasbourg, our correspondent says.
Another high-profile niqab-wearer, Kenza Drider, has said she will stand for president in the 2012 election.
She has become a champion for several hundred women in France who insist wearing the niqab is a personal choice and a right enshrined by European law.
She said: "The reality is, there is a lot of unemployment in France and a lot of problems in France so let's not focus on what I wear, let's deal with the real problems. So my candidacy is really being done for that. To say don't stop at what I'm wearing, but go much deeper."
~RS~q~RS~~RS~z~RS~36~RS~)



Putin says 'battle on' for Russia
At least 50 dead in Iraq attacks
La vida simple
Render unto Caesar
Race to the bottom
'Scale of courage'
Living in...Boston
Talking Movies
Comment number 972.
BillinNY22nd September 2011 - 23:40
It boils down to the fact that no one is forbidding the practice of Islam, just a cultural practice. The women quoted state that they acted under their own volition, but the majority of clad women are forced to wear them by their male realitves. The French law does not attack any doctrine. If you do not like the laws, try to change them; if that is not possible then decide if the you should move.
Link to this (Comment number 972)
Comment number 807.
Jordan22nd September 2011 - 19:30
I am not a citizen of France so I have, in my opinion, no right to question a law they enact on their own people. What disturbs me here is that people are now actively trying to be martyrs. There is something in that notion that just doesn't sit well. Martyrs come from legitimate persecution, not carefully tailored reality like showiness. This is vanity to me.
Link to this (Comment number 807)
Comment number 654.
pandatank22nd September 2011 - 17:19
From the list of exemptions, you can plainly see this is anti-islamic legislation. I fully support that for security reasons and identification purposes, that they be required to uncover their faces, but in general, people should be able to wear what they like. This has little chance of succeeding against an ECHR judgement. Niqab now, where will it end? State ordaned uniforms like Maoist China?
Link to this (Comment number 654)
Comment number 439.
Berthold Dwinger22nd September 2011 - 15:42
Why should any religion be above the law ?
Has the full-face veil not been misused by male terrorists and criminals
who have something to hide ?
I can understand that these women want to stand by their beliefs,
which I fully respect but if the law of the country demands otherwise
then the only option left is to move to a country that allows it.
Is France expected to change for them ?
Link to this (Comment number 439)
Comment number 427.
Alan M Bush22nd September 2011 - 15:36
It is futile to impose dress codes in a democratic country. You may argue that certain guises are not permitted within certain buildings: customers with e.g. crash helmets in banks as there could be an ulterior motive. If Arabic women wish to conceal their faces surely their business not ours, but they must however submit to security procedures where appropriate, including demasking.
Link to this (Comment number 427)
Comments 5 of 16